Sorry, but the average wrestling fan can't name even THREE of these Japanese girls.

You mean the average WWE wrestling fan can't name three of these Japanese women. In the wrestling world you have WWE fans who live in that bubble and then you have THE REST OF THE WRESTLING WORLD who DO know who these Japanese women are. Fans who watch AEW, Impact, ROH, New Japan, Stardom, NOAH etc, generally ALL watch the same shit. They're not just stuck to watching one promotion.

Getting pops from the same relatively small wrestling audience that eats up everything they do is not "being over".

Again with this dated WWE mindset. The rest of the wrestling world outside of the WWE isn't a "relatively small wrestling audience" but this is typical WWE mindset speak. To the WWE mark if you're not over in front of the WWE audience then you're not over. I call bullshit on that.

The people you named at the end achieved success here in the States, but even they hit a ceiling.
None of them were ever main eventers at Starrcade, Halloween Havoc, etc or world champion here in the States.

Because they weren't full timers and only did tours in the States. As a booker you're not gonna put a belt on someone unless you know they're gonna be around for awhile so any so-called ceiling they hit wasn't due to their talent but rather their availability. Despite that they STILL got over!
 
Sami Zayn is definitely "more than just a guy" but he does not have long-term main event status.
He got over being associated with the Bloodline. Ever since he stopped interacting with the Bloodline, he's cooled down.
Fans aren't as into him as they were back then. It was the right move not to put the championship on him.
Folks need to learn that being the flavor-of-the-month fan favorite does not equal to being world champion.

Mic skills matter in this country. Maybe they don't matter in Japan, but it matters here.
There's a reason all these Japanese girls you love don't get over here in the states.
Doesn't matter if it's Vince, HHH or "Booker of the Year" Tony Khan booking them it's always the same result. They hit a ceiling.
I've said it a million times, it takes more than just having good matches to really get over in this country.
You have to connect with the audience and get the audience invested enough in your character to want to see your matches.
I don't know man....I never got it with Sammy until the Bloodline angle but I thought he made that angle not the other way around. To me WWE is still relying on him to main event and that's as a tag team.

I agree with your second statement......I think in america you gotta have mic skills. Might can overcome that shit in Japan but in America? That's a tough sell.
 
I watched Blood and Guts last night and maybe it's because I'm desensitized to it but I just found all the "shock" violence in the match to just be boring.

The match dragged on and I lost any interest I may have had. There was no story to the match, just spots for spots sake. If AEW didn't lean so much on their bloody battles, perhaps last night would have come off different, but we see blood so often on their shows, this shit isn't even special anymore.

I don't understand why this wasn't a PPV instead of a free cable event too.
 
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I don't know man....I never got it with Sammy until the Bloodline angle but I thought he made that angle not the other way around. To me WWE is still relying on him to main event and that's as a tag team.

I agree with your second statement......I think in america you gotta have mic skills. Might can overcome that shit in Japan but in America? That's a tough sell.
How many main events has Sammy been in since he left the Bloodline?
He doesn't get the same level of pops he did when he was in the Bloodline angle.
That title match he had against Roman in his hometown is the biggest match he'll ever have. That was his peak.
He definitely added to the Bloodline angle but he's cooled off since.
 
I watched Blood and Guts last night and maybe it's because I'm desensitized to it but I just found all the "shock" violence in the match to just be boring.

The match dragged on and I lost any interest I may have had. There was no story to the match, just spots for spots sake. If AEW didn't lean so much on their bloody battles, perhaps last night would have come off different, but we see blood so often on their shows, this shit isn't even special anymore.

I don't understand why this wasn't a PPV instead of a free cable event too.
I had it on in the background while I was building my son's PC and it just looked like the same old same old "hardcore/lights out/no DQ/no rules" type matches they have all the time in AEW. Just this time with two rings and a cage added to the mix.

I find it weird that Moxley used some object (again like always) on Kenny Omega, but Omega never bled. That's a couple of matches now where that's happened. Does Omega not know how to do a blade job?

I will give AEW props for the production and they way they shot the match, particularly in the beginning when it was just one-on-one with Kenny Omega and Claudio. They used different camera angles and shots I have never seen before and I thought it looked nice.
 
I had it on in the background while I was building my son's PC and it just looked like the same old same old "hardcore/lights out/no DQ/no rules" type matches they have all the time in AEW. Just this time with two rings and a cage added to the mix.

I find it weird that Moxley used some object (again like always) on Kenny Omega, but Omega never bled. That's a couple of matches now where that's happened. Does Omega not know how to do a blade job?

I will give AEW props for the production and they way they shot the match, particularly in the beginning when it was just one-on-one with Kenny Omega and Claudio. They used different camera angles and shots I have never seen before and I thought it looked nice.
There is no consistency with how these guys bleed and the dangers of this type of match. I don't even remember if Kenny bled but there was so much blood yesterday, whether he did or not didn't even matter, because it all was just for show, and in a corny way. Like none of the blood added to the story. There was no "he's lost so much blood he may pass out" moments in the match.

And what was the purpose of this?


Literally killing the gimmick of the match while you're still in the ring. Lolz
 
How many main events has Sammy been in since he left the Bloodline?
He doesn't get the same level of pops he did when he was in the Bloodline angle.
That title match he had against Roman in his hometown is the biggest match he'll ever have. That was his peak.
He definitely added to the Bloodline angle but he's cooled off since.
Ok so I haven't watched many Raw's since the angle ended but coincidentally I watched this past Raw I think that was in Atlanta? That crowd was HYPED. Not sure if Atlanta's just one of those great crowd towns(very well could be with the wrestling history) but he and KO main evented that night and probably got the biggest pop of the night aside from Cody....Gunter got a nice one as well especially for a heel.

If he's cooled off i'll say its because of him being on a tag team. They didn't stick with his momentum but I also understand it would've been kind of tough at that time he was red hot so the put the tag titles on him.

I don't know man I don't know if he has a long title reign in him but he for sure has at least a small run in him.
 
There is no consistency with how these guys bleed and the dangers of this type of match. I don't even remember if Kenny bled but there was so much blood yesterday, whether he did or not didn't even matter, because it all was just for show, and in a corny way. Like none of the blood added to the story. There was no "he's lost so much blood he may pass out" moments in the match.

And what was the purpose of this?


Literally killing the gimmick of the match while you're still in the ring. Lolz

That's wild and stupid at the same time lol.
 

Why do you keep posting this basement mark all the time? He's been called out on his bullshit so many times.
His shtick is always the same and to shit on anything WWE while praising everyone else.
His dumbass said that Shotzi shaved her head as an order from Vince meanwhile it was because her sister has cancer.
He literally knows nothing about the business and just makes shit up.
 
Why do you keep posting this basement mark all the time? He's been called out on his bullshit so many times.
His shtick is always the same and to shit on anything WWE while praising everyone else.
His dumbass said that Shotzi shaved her head as an order from Vince meanwhile it was because her sister has cancer.
He literally knows nothing about the business and just makes shit up.
He's a fucking racist too. Fuck that guy
 
Why do you keep posting this basement mark all the time? He's been called out on his bullshit so many times.
His shtick is always the same and to shit on anything WWE while praising everyone else.
His dumbass said that Shotzi shaved her head as an order from Vince meanwhile it was because her sister has cancer.
He literally knows nothing about the business and just makes shit up.

:lol:WWE marks right on cue. First you and then @EPDC who pretends not to respond to my posts but then piggybacks off YOUR response to my posts. All the same. Just like you ignore my New Japan and Stardom posts, IGNORE THIS TOO! When I post JD keep it moving just like I'll keep it moving when AEW botches, Jobber Nation and Mr. Tennis Racket get posted.
 
:lol:WWE marks right on cue. First you and then @EPDC who pretends not to respond to my posts but then piggybacks off YOUR response to my posts. All the same. Just like you ignore my New Japan and Stardom posts, IGNORE THIS TOO! When I post JD keep it moving just like I'll keep it moving when AEW botches, Jobber Nation and Mr. Tennis Racket get posted.
:rolleyes: why are you sharing a racist piece of shit dirtbag tweets here?
 

If it weren't for the video he released earlier this week about coming back to NWA, I could definitely see him as a SummerSlam or post SS Raw surprise.

Not sure where he would fit in, but I could see him in the upper midcard competing against the LA Knights and Austin Theory's of the world. Hell, a feud between him and Knight may be pretty fun.
 
:rolleyes: why are you sharing a racist piece of shit dirtbag tweets here?

The better question is why are you getting triggered over it? This dude does shtick just like Jim Cornette where he purposely says shock value things to get people worked and WWE marks like yourself take the bait everytime. They say the shit they say because people tune in to hear it. Do I think JD or Cornette are racists? NO!
 
The better question is why are you getting triggered over it? This dude does shtick just like Jim Cornette where he purposely says shock value things to get people worked and WWE marks like yourself take the bait everytime. They say the shit they say because people tune in to hear it. Do I think JD or Cornette are racists? NO!
Again, I'm not triggered by it.

If I were triggered or took the bait, then I'd be posting his tweets in here calling him out.

I'm wondering why you're posting a guy who has spouted racist shit on YouTube? Like, why post him here?
 
The better question is why are you getting triggered over it? This dude does shtick just like Jim Cornette where he purposely says shock value things to get people worked and WWE marks like yourself take the bait everytime. They say the shit they say because people tune in to hear it. Do I think JD or Cornette are racists? NO!
Come on man.....I get you're a AEW fan and you bring balance to this thread but don't justify that trash as schtick. He's a piece of shit.
 
Again, I'm not triggered by it.

If I were triggered or took the bait, then I'd be posting his tweets in here calling him out.

I'm wondering why you're posting a guy who has spouted racist shit on YouTube? Like, why post him here?

The same reason why someone would post Howard Stern on here. It's shtick and not be taken seriously. I've heard worst stuff said from members on this very site in relation to gays and transgenders yet people want to have selective outrage.
 
Bro you're entitled to that opinion. You can feel however you want to feel about that dude. I personally don't take it that serious.
Aye i'm not knocking that. With a lot of these wrestling podcasters you can't take some of it serious or you won't be listening to a lot of it especially from these cac's.....

I'm just saying man give it the pass simply for schtick is wild. I didn't even know the racist part of dude he left a bad taste in my mouth when he fucked up and blamed Vince for a girl cutting her hair off when she did it for her sister who's battling cancer.....and instead of admitting he fucked up and holding himself accountable he attacked those who held him accountable. IT is what it is not trying to derail the convo that dude just scum.
 
Aye i'm not knocking that. With a lot of these wrestling podcasters you can't take some of it serious or you won't be listening to a lot of it especially from these cac's.....

I'm just saying man give it the pass simply for schtick is wild. I didn't even know the racist part of dude he left a bad taste in my mouth when he fucked up and blamed Vince for a girl cutting her hair off when she did it for her sister who's battling cancer.....and instead of admitting he fucked up and holding himself accountable he attacked those who held him accountable. IT is what it is not trying to derail the convo that dude just scum.
Dudes a piece of shit, but @Mastermind2002 gives him a pass because he's a pro AEW mark and anti WWE and that's his "schtick" :rolleyes:

He's like an "Angry Joe" of wrestling wannabe.
 
Dudes a piece of shit, but @Mastermind2002 gives him a pass because he's a pro AEW mark and anti WWE and that's his "schtick" :rolleyes:

He's like an "Angry Joe" of wrestling wannabe.
Yeah man we don't stand for that bullshit. I had to turn that Joe Cronin bullshit off. I can't stand these outspoken cac's who think they can say what they want. There's still a line to cross and just because you put a token brother on doesn't validate you.
 
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