This white boy actually made a great point.
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He made some valid points but this dude isn't thinking it through. At the end of the day, someone still has to pay for his righteous stance against the "system". All these young people that refuse to work are doing so on someone's dime. Who's paying for these people to have internet, phones, food, shelter, clothing, cars, insurance, etc? That's the part everyone seems to forget. It's easy to say "fuck a job" when someone else is footing all those bills. A better piece of advice would be to start monkey branching in the work force. Take a shitty job for just long enough to qualify for something better and keep doing that until you find your comfort zone.
Covid had open a lot of people eyes. Also corporations are having a tough time controlling the generation Z crowd. Some of the corporations are trying to force them to come back into the office, and the generation Z crowd is giving them the middle finger and walking out the door. Also, management is becoming pretty horrible with some of these companies. I said this in another thread, but my management is extremely suspect right now. I love what I do, but I do not trust my management…. And I am 48.
So do you have adult children that you would allow to eat off you until they "found" themselves? You're a gen x'er like me. Let's think back to the 90s when we were trying to get our feet wet. I know I took many a shitty job before I invested enough in myself to qualify for something ideal. I went from working for a chicken plant, to GDOT, to Peachtree City to the City of East Point and Dekalb County before I found something I felt I could retire from. I'm just wondering why Gen Z can't do the same thing.
If an minority said the same thing they would be labeled commie liberal anti American marxist. It’s good to see more working class white people waking up to how unfair the system has become
They have no choice but to wake up because the shit their parents (grandparents) used to get away with is no longer available for the new generation ie pensions and college assistance, etc.
I'm all for total upheaval. Burn this shit to the ground and eat the rich. Our boomer parents sold us a pipe dream and we bought into the bullshit and got conned. I'm glad the next generation ain't going for it.
No. I'm not a parent.
A little correction
If that's the case I don't understand your point of view. You personally aren't footing the bill for anyone. Your post sounds incredibly close to the bullshit "bootstraps" speech. Is it that you're resentful and are projecting? There is no more upward mobility. There is NO work somewhere 20yrs and retire with a pension. That life plan is no longer valid and it's our fault because we(genX) bought in to that dream while our parents(boomers) sucked up all the wealth. Especially in the black community. These nigga climbed the latter then pull it up after them.
Naw is wasn't just white boomers. There was a whole lot of Clearance Thomas's that came out of the era. Those niggas climbed the latter then pulled it up after them. I'm old enough to personally know wealthy black folks that worshipped Ronald Reagan. They hoarded wealth just as much as their white counterparts.
Well, coons always been around, so I’m not equating the two right now
I'm not a parent but I am an uncle and all of my friends have children. Of course my concern may be academic but we all have opinions about current events whether they affect us or not. You don't think if every one I know winds up with a grown kid in their household using up resources with no direction in life, that I'll hear about it or indirectly be affected by it? I can easily see my sister telling my nephew to "go ask your uncle if you can stay with him because I ain't carrying no grown ass man trying to find himself". What should I say then? "yeah, you can stay hear for free until there's a paradigm shift in this country that allows for better treatment of employees". I don't think so. If you call taking baby steps to giant leaps over time "the bullshit bootstraps speech" then I'd like to know what steps you took to become a success.
Success is relative. No matter how you explain it, it's bootstraps talk. Part of the reason black boys and men are out here fucked up is because we push them out into the world unequipped with unrealistic expectations. You mad for no reason projecting, because you feel like "If I had to do it, they gotta do it too". Have a few kids before you go on these rants. Your opinion might be different. Right now you're just....
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Corporations have bought out smaller ones, Killed thriving businesses, closed shop, moved on, put working Americans out on the streets.
They did this while giving their board members payouts, themselves tax cuts, raising interest rates, buying up property, lobbying against a living minimum wage, universal healthcare and social services.
They've turned the country into the United Vassal States.
So yeah. The kids can't ever see themselves buying a house. They're happy to live with their parents. Good for them. I wouldn't want to be a slave either.
They did this while giving their board members payouts, themselves tax cuts, raising interest rates, buying up property, lobbying against a living minimum wage, universal healthcare and social services.
They've turned the country into the United Vassal States.
So yeah. The kids can't ever see themselves buying a house. They're happy to live with their parents. Good for them. I wouldn't want to be a slave either.
The world is the world. I can look at my circle and see parents commiserating about the same shit. Kids ain't not working because they woke, they are not working because they don't understand what it takes to live. I agree with those saying it is easy to be choosy when someone else is footing the bill. And I am going to be honest, I hear most parents complaining about their male children.
But one thing is for sure, I still see many friends kids getting their law degrees, at white coat ceremonies getting their MD and doing the same old shit that has always made money. If you gotta work any way, it might as well be at a job that makes money....
And another thing, the ones I hear complaining about their young males all have in common that the kid is spending x hours a day on the internet listening to this pod cast and that pod cast on how to get rich......the easy way....smh
But one thing is for sure, I still see many friends kids getting their law degrees, at white coat ceremonies getting their MD and doing the same old shit that has always made money. If you gotta work any way, it might as well be at a job that makes money....
And another thing, the ones I hear complaining about their young males all have in common that the kid is spending x hours a day on the internet listening to this pod cast and that pod cast on how to get rich......the easy way....smh
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This is always a touchy subject. But as a parent, part of our job is to teach our kids to be men before they need to be, especially if you're black.
Not all of or ours kids will get scholarships or a chance to an easy job.
Told my son, the moment he turns 16, I'm driving his ass to go get a part time job somewhere.
If the Gen X kids parents got in their ass, they'd be working right but. But the job has to be worth it.
If we can have 1000 billionaires in the US, we can have better paying jobs.
Not all of or ours kids will get scholarships or a chance to an easy job.
Told my son, the moment he turns 16, I'm driving his ass to go get a part time job somewhere.
If the Gen X kids parents got in their ass, they'd be working right but. But the job has to be worth it.
If we can have 1000 billionaires in the US, we can have better paying jobs.
I'm not ranting. Like I said earlier, this is a fun exercise in "point of view" comparison. One of the reasons I don't have kids is because I don't want to deal with society tying my hands when I attempt to raise kids the way I was raised. I'm still curious about your path to success. I know its relative. I'm just trying to figure out what you did that didn't involve any effort on you own. You must come from money. But no, I ain't mad. I'm sitting hear with a huge smile on my face.
Right. Folks underestimate 24 hours in a day. At some point a person has to work, whether it be towards something or for something. There isn’t an easy way, and there never has been, especially if a person comes from a low income background.
IMO, I think this comes with parenting no matter the generation (past or present). We don’t have control over that aspect. We can only navigate it.
one thing covid did was expose all of these businesses and corporations. paying dumbfucks millions of dollars to basically run shit in the ground. say what you want but the internet has filled that gap that was was forming when we were coming up. if they had the will to learn it taught these kids more than these fucked up school systems. but its still our jobs as parents to give our children the tools, the talks and the time spent with them to be more successful than us. these jobs, businesses gotta get they heads out their ass and realize you can't be operating the same way as they were 20-30 years ago. that business model is gone. yet they'll keep hiring 10 heads ...give piss poor training and hoping.....hoping to get 2 that everything will stick and they can overload them till they broken down and can become expendable. young adults ain't going for this shit
I didn't come from money. I work /worked my ass off. My adult son on the other hand does considerably less and is more financial successful than I was at his age. I gave him the time he needed to "find his place" without pressuring him to "be a man". He went a less conventional route but is self employed, successful and happy all the same. Not the way I would have imagined but I'm proud of him none the less.I'm not ranting. Like I said earlier, this is a fun exercise in "point of view" comparison. One of the reasons I don't have kids is because I don't want to deal with society tying my hands when I attempt to raise kids the way I was raised. I'm still curious about your path to success. I know its relative. I'm just trying to figure out what you did that didn't involve any effort on you own. You must come from money. But no, I ain't mad. I'm sitting hear with a huge smile on my face.
Sounds like both of found a way to navigate through life without becoming a burden on others. That's all I've ever done as well. Not sure how you can call that bootstrapping but tomato/toMAto. My father put in some serious time to be a success as did I but my way was not as difficult. I wouldn't expect a younger man to have to face the challenges I did either but I do expect him to stand on his own feet.
Life is 50% things you can control and 50% things you can't.
I notice the people who complain about their pay the most, are SOMETIMES (im going to stress sometimes) the people with the least accomplishments.
For example:
Job requires a college degree to make 65k - but you dropped out of high school and won't get your GED. and then apply to a community college. But you WANT THAT JOB.
Job requires certification - you have the money to apply for the classes, and it's 6 months to get certified. Yet, you won't sign up, and you blow your money on anything BUT paying for those classes. But you WANT THAT JOB.
You want to start your business - You can save up, start small and build up your money, to invest in your business that you want to start. But you're full of excuses, not willing to work extra on the weekends towards that "future business". But you WANT THAT BUSINESS.
Yes, life throws you curveballs and walls come up all the time. But if you're not willing to invest in yourself, then why do you expect others to? The world is cold. People only care about them and their pockets. Your problems are your problems.
I notice the people who complain about their pay the most, are SOMETIMES (im going to stress sometimes) the people with the least accomplishments.
For example:
Job requires a college degree to make 65k - but you dropped out of high school and won't get your GED. and then apply to a community college. But you WANT THAT JOB.
Job requires certification - you have the money to apply for the classes, and it's 6 months to get certified. Yet, you won't sign up, and you blow your money on anything BUT paying for those classes. But you WANT THAT JOB.
You want to start your business - You can save up, start small and build up your money, to invest in your business that you want to start. But you're full of excuses, not willing to work extra on the weekends towards that "future business". But you WANT THAT BUSINESS.
Yes, life throws you curveballs and walls come up all the time. But if you're not willing to invest in yourself, then why do you expect others to? The world is cold. People only care about them and their pockets. Your problems are your problems.
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You're missing the point. It didn't happen for him overnight it took years. I didn't even agree with his choices. I supported him when he couldn't support himself. He was never a burden. If you had kids of your own you would understand that. I held him down when he wasn't making a dime. He kept at it and eventually it worked out. But if I thought like you I would have put him position where he couldn't pursue his goal with 100% focus and energy. I would have been too worried about him mooching off of me while he played his little games and not standing up to what I believe to be my perception of what a man was. He'd probably be working some bullshit job still sleeping on my couch smoking weed and playing the game to escape. But because I held him down and gave him time, he's getting paid well to do what he loves. And he doesn't have to punch a clock like I did. I envy him because my mom's thought like you and I was working full-time at 16. Unhappy and saddle with adult responsibility before I was ready.
Only reason why they want to return to the old business model of coming into the office after covid is because it helped move commerce and economy.
You gotta buy gas to go to work and probably get a coffee.
Go to work and buy lunch and maybe a snack.
Leave work buy more gas, stop at the store get something for dinner.
Repeat
You gotta buy gas to go to work and probably get a coffee.
Go to work and buy lunch and maybe a snack.
Leave work buy more gas, stop at the store get something for dinner.
Repeat
We're definitely not hearing each other. This isn't a conversation for a message board. I don't think either of us has gotten our points across. I don't know enough about you and you don't know enough about me to draw a conclusion either way. Not the right time or place. Congrats to you and yours, brother.
Over 10 yrs ago I told people on this board if they have a child take $50 a month and either put it in a bank or a jug.. if you do this for 18 yrs straight or until your kid graduates, your child would have $10,800… if both parents did this that child would have at least $21,600 at their disposal. How many kids at 18 with that type of money to either could start their own biz, get their own apartment, get used car, certificate, etc.. how many people did this? People suppose to make their child’s life easier/ better than what they went through and supposed to alley oop them some tools to make their situation better.. how many of these kids with that type of money could flip it into good use? Just think of all the outlets they have now especially with the internet that they can utilize with that type of bread
On a superficial level. The main reason is to keep the workforce in a precarious situation. Workers having options is the worst thing for capital. I for one never understood why people don't identify as workers even if they are in the higher earning brackets, but I guess that is how propaganda works..
I tell my dumb ass friends all the time, they are smarter than us. We watched our parents struggle and went down the same rabbit hole.
Nope
Open a roth IRA and let them have it AFTER college or trade school.
There are def easy ways. Prob not for the majority,but they do exist.
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