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Scammers using text messages to drain bank accounts in new ploy​

A small business owner lost her life's savings when scammers pretending to be Chase bank employees defrauded her out of $160,000. Chase refused to refund any of her money, saying she did not take appropriate steps to protect her account. Experts say the bank should adopt stricter security measures to protect customers. Anna Werner reports.




In a stark reminder of the growing threat of financial scams, Deborah Moss, owner of a small catering business, found herself ensnared in a sophisticated bank scam that started with a seemingly harmless text message.

Moss, who had dedicated over a decade to building her business, says she had finally accumulated enough savings to pursue a peaceful life in rural Guerneville, California. But her dreams began to shatter after she received a text message purporting to be from her bank, Chase, inquiring about an unauthorized $35 debit card charge from another state. Initially dismissing it as a minor inconvenience, Moss promptly replied.

Shortly after replying to the text, Moss received a call from someone claiming to be a representative from Chase Bank, with the caller ID displaying the bank's name. On the other end of the line was an individual identifying herself as "Miss Barbara" from "Chase ATM." She requested permission from Moss to issue a new debit card to resolve the alleged fraudulent charge.

Moss says Miss Barbara told her she needed to verify Moss's identity and to do so, instructed Moss to read the numbers from a subsequent text message back to her over the phone.

"And I would just repeat those numbers to her, and she'd say, 'That's great. Thank you so much, Ms. Moss,'" said Moss.

Over the next week, Miss Barbara called Moss several times, each time saying there was a problem with delivery of the card and each time asking Moss to verify her identity by reading back the numbers from subsequent text messages.

It wasn't until Moss visited her nearest bank branch that the devastating truth emerged. A supervisor informed her that her account had been drained, leaving her life savings of nearly $160,000 completely depleted.

"That was all my money. It took me 12 years to get that money, and that was my life savings," Moss said.

Moss' ordeal sheds light on the escalating trend of fraud and the alarming financial losses suffered by Americans, with reported losses reaching a staggering $8.8 billion last year, marking a 30% surge from the previous year, according to government data.

The text messages asking Moss to authenticate her account were authentic: they were sent by Chase Bank as part of its two-factor authentication system, designed to enhance customer security. But the scammers deceived Moss into revealing the numbers to them over the phone, enabling them to bypass security measures and transfer large sums of money from Moss's account. In just one week, they conducted six wire transfers, some as high as nearly $48,000.

Moss filed a police report and submitted a claim to Chase Bank, hoping to recover her stolen funds. However, her hopes were dashed when, after a five-week wait, the bank denied her claim.

Chase Bank appeared to fault Moss, writing her in a letter, "During our review we found you did not take the appropriate steps to protect your account from theft or unauthorized use." Bank officials said they would not reimburse her account, leaving Moss devastated and feeling betrayed.

"My world fell apart. My whole world fell apart," Moss said. "You think of your bank as being some place that you put your money so that it's safe but it's not safe. It needs to change."


JPMorgan Chase provided a statement to CBS News in response, stating, "Regrettably, Ms. Moss's account was compromised as a result of scammers deceiving her and obtaining her personal confidential information."

Chase Bank told CBS News that bank officials had attempted to contact Moss via phone and email regarding the wire transfers at the time. Moss says she did not receive any of these messages. Chase offered the following tips for consumers to remember: Do not share personal account information such as ATM PINs or passcodes. Keep in mind that the bank typically does not initiate phone calls, but if you want to ensure you are speaking with the bank, call the number on the back of your card. Lastly, avoid clicking on suspicious links in texts or emails.

JPMorgan Chase defended its commitment to combating fraud, saying in a statement: "Each year we invest hundreds of millions of dollars in authentication, risk models, technology and associate, client education to make it harder for scammers to trick customers."

David Weber, a certified fraud examiner and forensic accounting professor, believes that Chase Bank bears responsibility for, in his opinion, failing Moss and neglecting to implement stronger security measures.

"Anyway you look at it, they failed. They failed her," Weber said. "The bank could have required her to come in and sign the wire form in person. They left everything for her to be at risk, and now they're saying they bear no responsibility."

He also said that the current two-factor authentication systems, including text messages, are insufficient in combating the increasingly sophisticated tactics employed by scammers.

"This is happening hundreds and thousands of times a day in the United States using the exact same methods here. The two-factor authentication is not strong enough to protect this customer," Weber said.

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FROM JPMORGAN CHASE:

Threats are changing every day as scams become more sophisticated. As threats evolve, so do our methods to prevent both fraud and scams.We know we cannot thwart these scams alone. It takes an all-hands-on deck approach in partnership with law enforcement, the private sector, and government to help prevent, avoid and prosecute these crimes. Consumers play a critical role too, which is why we continue to educate them about the latest scams so that they can spot and avoid them.

SCAM PREVENTION TIPS:

Protect your personal account information, ATM pins, passwords and one-time passcodes. If someone contacts you and asks for this information, especially if it's someone claiming to be from your bank, do not share it with them.If you want to be sure you're talking to a legitimate representative of the company that contacted you, call the number on their official website.If you want to be sure you are talking to a legitimate representative of your bank, call the number at the back of your card or visit a branchNever click on suspicious links in a text or email or grant anyone remote access to your phone or computer.Do not respond to phone, text or internet requests for money or access to your computer or bank accounts. Banks will never call, text or email asking for you to send money to yourself or anyone else to prevent fraud.To learn more about common scams and ways to protect yourself
 
1st thing if my bank calls me, nah, I'll call you back. And I don't give out no info over the phone like my pin, they can ask me anything else like my address or last 4 of social. Anything else my bank don't ask.

These scammers are very smart and mostly hit the elderly. Most of these scammers are out of country.
 
1st thing if my bank calls me, nah, I'll call you back. And I don't give out no info over the phone like my pin, they can ask me anything else like my address or last 4 of social. Anything else my bank don't ask.

These scammers are very smart and mostly hit the elderly. Most of these scammers are out of country.
Shit you can’t ask me that either. How about I live 5 mins from the branch, I’ll be over there in a couple minutes.
 
She never gave her PIN number to them what was the number they kept asking her to read back? Was that her account number? If so she’s dumb as fuck
 
She never gave her PIN number to them what was the number they kept asking her to read back? Was that her account number? If so she’s dumb as fuck
Security code.

Why do I need to tell you what was my first car? Why do I need to tell you the mascot of my high school? These are not hard questions.
 
She never gave her PIN number to them what was the number they kept asking her to read back? Was that her account number? If so she’s dumb as fuck
From the article:

The text messages asking Moss to authenticate her account were authentic: they were sent by Chase Bank as part of its two-factor authentication system, designed to enhance customer security. But the scammers deceived Moss into revealing the numbers to them over the phone, enabling them to bypass security measures and transfer large sums of money from Moss's account. In just one week, they conducted six wire transfers, some as high as nearly $48,000.

They figured out which bank she was using and her security setup and used it against her. So I guess what was happening they had gotten access to her account, but needed the security codes texted to her phone to complete the transactions. So they would initiate a transaction knowing it would generate a code that would be needed to confirm it. Mrs. Barbara would pretend she was generating the code.

That's my interpretation of it.
 
From the article:

The text messages asking Moss to authenticate her account were authentic: they were sent by Chase Bank as part of its two-factor authentication system, designed to enhance customer security. But the scammers deceived Moss into revealing the numbers to them over the phone, enabling them to bypass security measures and transfer large sums of money from Moss's account. In just one week, they conducted six wire transfers, some as high as nearly $48,000.

They figured out which bank she was using and her security setup and used it against her. So I guess what was happening they had gotten access to her account, but needed the security codes texted to her phone to complete the transactions. So they would initiate a transaction knowing it would generate a code that would be needed to confirm it. Mrs. Barbara would pretend she was generating the code.

That's my interpretation of it.

Ok this is her fault . They not asking for security codes unless you’re trying to access your own account. Chase would not need to call to to verify what was texted to you. She should have walked into her branch and shown the manager. Yeah you not getting that money back. But she’s old and white so she will end up getting 1 million from a go fund me
 
1st thing if my bank calls me, nah, I'll call you back. And I don't give out no info over the phone like my pin, they can ask me anything else like my address or last 4 of social. Anything else my bank don't ask.

These scammers are very smart and mostly hit the elderly. Most of these scammers are out of country.
Common sense to most but it's a numbers game. Every million people they try this on, there are a few that will fall for it. I get those "authenticate your account info" or "there's a problem with your account" texts at least once a week.
 

Scammers using text messages to drain bank accounts in new ploy​

A small business owner lost her life's savings when scammers pretending to be Chase bank employees defrauded her out of $160,000. Chase refused to refund any of her money, saying she did not take appropriate steps to protect her account. Experts say the bank should adopt stricter security measures to protect customers. Anna Werner reports.




In a stark reminder of the growing threat of financial scams, Deborah Moss, owner of a small catering business, found herself ensnared in a sophisticated bank scam that started with a seemingly harmless text message.

Moss, who had dedicated over a decade to building her business, says she had finally accumulated enough savings to pursue a peaceful life in rural Guerneville, California. But her dreams began to shatter after she received a text message purporting to be from her bank, Chase, inquiring about an unauthorized $35 debit card charge from another state. Initially dismissing it as a minor inconvenience, Moss promptly replied.

Shortly after replying to the text, Moss received a call from someone claiming to be a representative from Chase Bank, with the caller ID displaying the bank's name. On the other end of the line was an individual identifying herself as "Miss Barbara" from "Chase ATM." She requested permission from Moss to issue a new debit card to resolve the alleged fraudulent charge.

Moss says Miss Barbara told her she needed to verify Moss's identity and to do so, instructed Moss to read the numbers from a subsequent text message back to her over the phone.

"And I would just repeat those numbers to her, and she'd say, 'That's great. Thank you so much, Ms. Moss,'" said Moss.

Over the next week, Miss Barbara called Moss several times, each time saying there was a problem with delivery of the card and each time asking Moss to verify her identity by reading back the numbers from subsequent text messages.

It wasn't until Moss visited her nearest bank branch that the devastating truth emerged. A supervisor informed her that her account had been drained, leaving her life savings of nearly $160,000 completely depleted.

"That was all my money. It took me 12 years to get that money, and that was my life savings," Moss said.

Moss' ordeal sheds light on the escalating trend of fraud and the alarming financial losses suffered by Americans, with reported losses reaching a staggering $8.8 billion last year, marking a 30% surge from the previous year, according to government data.

The text messages asking Moss to authenticate her account were authentic: they were sent by Chase Bank as part of its two-factor authentication system, designed to enhance customer security. But the scammers deceived Moss into revealing the numbers to them over the phone, enabling them to bypass security measures and transfer large sums of money from Moss's account. In just one week, they conducted six wire transfers, some as high as nearly $48,000.

Moss filed a police report and submitted a claim to Chase Bank, hoping to recover her stolen funds. However, her hopes were dashed when, after a five-week wait, the bank denied her claim.

Chase Bank appeared to fault Moss, writing her in a letter, "During our review we found you did not take the appropriate steps to protect your account from theft or unauthorized use." Bank officials said they would not reimburse her account, leaving Moss devastated and feeling betrayed.


"My world fell apart. My whole world fell apart," Moss said. "You think of your bank as being some place that you put your money so that it's safe but it's not safe. It needs to change."


JPMorgan Chase provided a statement to CBS News in response, stating, "Regrettably, Ms. Moss's account was compromised as a result of scammers deceiving her and obtaining her personal confidential information."

Chase Bank told CBS News that bank officials had attempted to contact Moss via phone and email regarding the wire transfers at the time. Moss says she did not receive any of these messages. Chase offered the following tips for consumers to remember: Do not share personal account information such as ATM PINs or passcodes. Keep in mind that the bank typically does not initiate phone calls, but if you want to ensure you are speaking with the bank, call the number on the back of your card. Lastly, avoid clicking on suspicious links in texts or emails.

JPMorgan Chase defended its commitment to combating fraud, saying in a statement: "Each year we invest hundreds of millions of dollars in authentication, risk models, technology and associate, client education to make it harder for scammers to trick customers."

David Weber, a certified fraud examiner and forensic accounting professor, believes that Chase Bank bears responsibility for, in his opinion, failing Moss and neglecting to implement stronger security measures.

"Anyway you look at it, they failed. They failed her," Weber said. "The bank could have required her to come in and sign the wire form in person. They left everything for her to be at risk, and now they're saying they bear no responsibility."

He also said that the current two-factor authentication systems, including text messages, are insufficient in combating the increasingly sophisticated tactics employed by scammers.

"This is happening hundreds and thousands of times a day in the United States using the exact same methods here. The two-factor authentication is not strong enough to protect this customer," Weber said.

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FROM JPMORGAN CHASE:

Threats are changing every day as scams become more sophisticated. As threats evolve, so do our methods to prevent both fraud and scams.We know we cannot thwart these scams alone. It takes an all-hands-on deck approach in partnership with law enforcement, the private sector, and government to help prevent, avoid and prosecute these crimes. Consumers play a critical role too, which is why we continue to educate them about the latest scams so that they can spot and avoid them.

SCAM PREVENTION TIPS:

Protect your personal account information, ATM pins, passwords and one-time passcodes. If someone contacts you and asks for this information, especially if it's someone claiming to be from your bank, do not share it with them.If you want to be sure you're talking to a legitimate representative of the company that contacted you, call the number on their official website.If you want to be sure you are talking to a legitimate representative of your bank, call the number at the back of your card or visit a branchNever click on suspicious links in a text or email or grant anyone remote access to your phone or computer.Do not respond to phone, text or internet requests for money or access to your computer or bank accounts. Banks will never call, text or email asking for you to send money to yourself or anyone else to prevent fraud.To learn more about common scams and ways to protect yourself

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It’s the lady’s fault.

When has a bank ever called or texted anybody about anything.

They mainly do all their communication thru the mail or send you a message thru their website where you check your account.

If you get a message thru the bank website, they give you the option to setup notifications to alert you.

Try calling your bank. You sit there for 5 minutes going thru the prompts. Sometimes you can go thru circles and wind up back to the point you started when going thru their telephone system.

Banks have no interest in contacting you.

They just want your money.

You receive a text from your bank. Ignore it and call the bank at the number on your bank statement.

I sent that video to my kids and explained to them the same thing.

This scam ranks up there with the email about sending a Prince in Africa your bank information
 
Ok this is her fault . They not asking for security codes unless you’re trying to access your own account. Chase would not need to call to to verify what was texted to you. She should have walked into her branch and shown the manager. Yeah you not getting that money back. But she’s old and white so she will end up getting 1 million from a go fund me
The scammer sent an initial text asking "did you initiate this $35 transaction. " She text back "no."

The scammer then calls her and says "they want to send her a new card" since she wasn't the one who made the $35 transaction.

While they have her on the phone, they try to access her account, which generates a 2-factor authentication text sent to the victims phone.

The scammer tells her that they are the ones that sent her the text and for her to read the numbers back to them so they can authenticate that it's really her.

To the victim, these are just random numbers, they do not have her account number or pin number so she feels comfortable reading the numbers back.

Once they have the 2-factor verification number, jackpot. They can access her account and do whatever.
 
It’s the lady’s fault.

When has a bank ever called or texted anybody about anything.

They mainly do all their communication thru the mail or send you a message thru their website where you check your account.

If you get a message thru the bank website, they give you the option to setup notifications to alert you.

Try calling your bank. You sit there for 5 minutes going thru the prompts. Sometimes you can go thru circles and wind up back to the point you started when going thru their telephone system.

Banks have no interest in contacting you.

They just want your money.

You receive a text from your bank. Ignore it and call the bank at the number on your bank statement.

I sent that video to my kids and explained to them the same thing.

This scam ranks up there with the email about sending a Prince in Africa your bank information
Older people need to have a trustworthy family member watching over their money and the keywords is “trustworthy family member”. Because as some of you know, rotten family members can clean you out if you give them access to your banking account
 
Ok this is her fault . They not asking for security codes unless you’re trying to access your own account. Chase would not need to call to to verify what was texted to you. She should have walked into her branch and shown the manager. Yeah you not getting that money back. But she’s old and white so she will end up getting 1 million from a go fund me
Is it her fault? Maybe? But we can’t live in a world where a mothafucka can just snatch $100k from you and no one give a shit.

No one at the bank felt concerned that someone transferred $40K out the blue? I let the bank know all of my travel details. Not only to let the teller know I have a dollar that will be spent in Boston, but to let her know that she can travel the world if she gives up her treasure. The bank had no mechanism to prevent this? The lady has no course of reparation?
 
youd be surprised how many people dont know you NEVER

give up the 2 factor authentication codes... NEVER TO NOBODY....

they caught her lacking hard.... btw she should never leave that much

fuckin money in a regular bank account...

if she has an accountant they suck ass!!!
 
Older people need to have a trustworthy family member watching over their money and the keywords is “trustworthy family member”. Because as some of you know, rotten family members can clean you out if you give them access to your banking account
There was a district attorney in Philadelphia who was angling for a senate run many years ago. He was stealing from his mama. I once took care for a lady who you can tell would’ve been Coretta Scott if the city ever produced a Martin Luther. Her family emptied out her account and stuck her in a poor folks home where I met her.
 
Is it her fault? Maybe? But we can’t live in a world where a mothafucka can just snatch $100k from you and no one give a shit.

No one at the bank felt concerned that someone transferred $40K out the blue? I let the bank know all of my travel details. Not only to let the teller know I have a dollar that will be spent in Boston, but to let her know that she can travel the world if she gives up her treasure. The bank had no mechanism to prevent this? The lady has no course of reparation?

Nobody snatched anything out the blue, what she did was equivalent to giving strangers,

the combination to your safe. 2 factor authentication was created to keep cyber crooks

from being able to access your account with your documented data.. like address, birthdate,

and password.. the two factor numbers can only be accessed by YOUR phone...

Chase are crooks no doubt but are they really responsible if you give strangers the keys

to your safe?
 
I have USAA, military, there's no branches
Nor should they. According to their commercials, lacking physical locations is why they’re able to offer such amazing programs for colonial officers. Back in the day, the British would give officers parcels of land, not in England but in lands they were conquering. The empire is never really finished with you.
 
Ok this is her fault . They not asking for security codes unless you’re trying to access your own account. Chase would not need to call to to verify what was texted to you. She should have walked into her branch and shown the manager. Yeah you not getting that money back. But she’s old and white so she will end up getting 1 million from a go fund me
That's the thing. I've been on calls with the bank and they did the same thing. Before they would talk to me about my account, I had to read back the code they sent.

The only difference was I called the official number vs someone calling me.
 
Nobody snatched anything out the blue, what she did was equivalent to giving strangers,

the combination to your safe. 2 factor authentication was created to keep cyber crooks

from being able to access your account with your documented data.. like address, birthdate,

and password.. the two factor numbers can only be accessed by YOUR phone...

Chase are crooks no doubt but are they really responsible if you give strangers the keys

to your safe?
She didn't realize it was a 2-factor authentication.

She was tricked into thinking that the person on the phone was manually sending her those text.

A lot of people are not tech savvy or understand these electronic ways of accessing their account.
 
Bank is at fault...once they admit that they tried to contact her more than once and failed then they were supposed to lock the account

Elderly people will fall for these scams and the bank knows this

That was probably why the scammer kept calling back. Whenever they were going to do something that would likely trigger a fraud alert they called her back for the code or to say yes. It's not hard to predict what's going to trigger a call. When I used to take the train to work I would have my phone out, ready for the call from my bank asking if I just filled my car with gas, and purchased a monthly train pass.
But anyway, it says right in the text to not give it out over the phone, or only if you've called them. Most banks nowadays are just going to say, well that sucks for you when you do it anyway.
 
That's the thing. I've been on calls with the bank and they did the same thing. Before they would talk to me about my account, I had to read back the code they sent.

The only difference was I called the official number vs someone calling me.
Let me know what bank you with so I never fuck with them.
 
She didn't realize it was a 2-factor authentication.

She was tricked into thinking that the person on the phone was manually sending her those text.

A lot of people are not tech savvy or understand these electronic ways of accessing their account.

Yea cyber crooks are sheisty as fuck with the data phishing, but it doesnt change the fact

she gave em the keys to the safe...

that being said I do think chase should give her at least 70 to eighty

percent of her money back tho..

they couldve done a better job informing their older clients how

to effectively use the security features...

they know all the risks, tricks and games scammers use..and couldve

done a better job getting that info out and the best ways to circumvent it

to their older customers..who arent as tech

savvy
 
1st thing if my bank calls me, nah, I'll call you back. And I don't give out no info over the phone like my pin, they can ask me anything else like my address or last 4 of social. Anything else my bank don't ask.

These scammers are very smart and mostly hit the elderly. Most of these scammers are out of country.
Wouldn't they mail you something first? This lady was just dumb.
 
Wouldn't they mail you something first? This lady was just dumb.
My bank stops my card anytime they immediately suspect something weird.
Few years back, my card was hit for 3 different instances in 2 yrs. Was annoying.

Someone in one instance bought donuts in Miami for $4, NYC bought something for $6 and then China for another few dollars, all within 5 mins. My bank called, texted and stopped my card. Asked me immediately to verify the transactions and mailed me a new card. I just bought gas at some bogus gas station that is my suspicion.

Its why I prefer to use GasBuddy to buy gas at stations. Can't buy nothing with the card but gas. So those fake card readers can't steal anything. Also there's a limit of $75 a day anyways.
 
My bank stops my card anytime they immediately suspect something weird.
Few years back, my card was hit for 3 different instances in 2 yrs. Was annoying.

Someone in one instance bought donuts in Miami for $4, NYC bought something for $6 and then China for another few dollars, all within 5 mins. My bank called, texted and stopped my card. Asked me immediately to verify the transactions and mailed me a new card. I just bought gas at some bogus gas station that is my suspicion.

Its why I prefer to use GasBuddy to buy gas at stations. Can't buy nothing with the card but gas. So those fake card readers can't steal anything. Also there's a limit of $75 a day anyways.
They got my coworker with the card skimmer at a Wawa. I don't know where someone caught me, but they bought someone for $20 at Popeyes, then bought $300 in Roblox. My bad called me asking me WTF is going on, and I told them I didn't make the charges.
 
They got my coworker with the card skimmer at a Wawa. I don't know where someone caught me, but they bought someone for $20 at Popeyes, then bought $300 in Roblox. My bad called me asking me WTF is going on, and I told them I didn't make the charges.
I'm just sort of "happy" they never directly hit my acct. Every time the transactions were made with the card number. The bank could see each time the card wasn't physically used.

So they shut down my physical card, I was able to use my Venmo debit which is direct to my bank acct. Unless I wouldn't be able to do anything locally unless using a credit card. Madd annoying.

I think a lot of scams have been reduced since the chips have been on cards now. All that happened to me like 4-5 yrs ago
 
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