50 Cent rushes once again to defend his white Daddy Eminem and says Melle Mel is out of touch

[tallblacknyc]

Hmmm...

Again I need your definition of substance

And I completely disagree about Stan

The REASON the record resonates and still does because EVERYONE can relate to BEING Stan 3/4 of the song was from his perspective

We all been a stan

And stalker records have existed and been hits for decades

Because most have been to some degree on BOTH sides.

Hate getting personal but I had girl attempt suicide over me and leave a letter. I know dudes who have stalked ex girlfriends.

But you don't HAVE to be a stalker or stalked to connect to the record

That what makes it art and a great song/poem

So that is substance in my personal definition.

No we all haven’t been Stan’s.. Stan was about an obsessed nig who was a loser at life and lived through another nig.. his song gets props for 1 cause the vid was an excellent betrayal of a nutso loser and dark and risky video. His song gets props cause it’s a diff subject matter that really was never touched on in a rap song.. the beat the female chorus also had parts to do with it. Now like I said b4 he was able to go outside the box and take risk on a certain song like that due to his complexion. Also it’s very believable cause the white community has had weirdo cac stalker situations in the past where celebs were attacked, stalked, obsessed over by some derange cac fan

 

[playahaitian]

No we all haven’t been Stan’s.. Stan was about an obsessed nig who was a loser at life and lived through another nig.. his song gets props for 1 cause the vid was an excellent betrayal of a nutso loser and dark and risky video. His song gets props cause it’s a diff subject matter that really was never touched on in a rap song.. the beat the female chorus also had parts to do with it. Now like I said b4 he was able to go outside the box and take risk on a certain song like that due to his complexion. Also it’s very believable cause the white community has had weirdo cac stalker situations in the past where celebs were attacked, stalked, obsessed over by some derange cac fan

Bro?

I will put you on IGNORE if you try to come up her and say no woman has ever stalked you before.

I'm serious.

 

[tallblacknyc]

who's fault was that??

hell i went to the kendrick lamar concert in Nashville last year and 80 percent of the crowd was white..

besides...the record biz was different back then

don't blame EM for being younger than those guys

these new found militant niggas nowadays just hate EM.....

not just because he's white.... but because he's GOOD and he's white

i don't hear niggas bitch'n about paul wall...

hell post malone and Jack Harlow might end up being bigger then EM..

most of the rappers we call the greatest all give EM his props

why are you trying to move the goal post. I literally said black artist wouldn’t have gone multi platinum with corny songs like my band my name is.. just realize it’s the truth and carry on. It’s laughable you said post Malone who had 1 successful albulm and has disappeared. Jack Harlow not even in the same class as em success.. ya throwing shit at the wall now hoping things stick.. accept the truth and move on

 

[footloose]

Bro?

I will put you on IGNORE if you try to come up her and say no woman has ever stalked you before.

I'm serious.

Stan is about a stranger

 

[tallblacknyc]

Bro?

I will put you on IGNORE if you try to come up her and say no woman has ever stalked you before.

I'm serious.

If you have to switch sexes for a Stan argument you already lost

I’m going to use this for a perfect example

Have you ever imagine yourself wanting to be sexually involved with a male celeb?

Have you ever gotten a tattoo of a male celeb on your body?

Have you ever cut out pics with male celebs and pasted them in the same pics with you?

Have you ever wrote a male celeb various times telling them you admire them?

Have you ever chose paying attention to a male celeb over handling your priorities and your family?


If you said no to some or all than you are not a Stan.. like I said that song was next level

 

[playahaitian]

Stan is about a stranger

Stan did not think he was a stranger though

THAT was a problem

and I was talking to Tall about something specific.

 

[playahaitian]

If you have to switch sexes for a Stan argument you already lost

I’m going to use this for a perfect example

Have you ever imagine yourself wanting to be sexually involved with a male celeb?

Have you ever gotten a tattoo of a male celeb on your body?

Have you ever cut out pics with male celebs and pasted them in the same pics with you?

Have you ever wrote a male celeb various times telling them you admire them?

Have you ever chose paying attention to a male celeb over handling your priorities and your family?


If you said no to some or all than you are not a Stan.. like I said that song was next level

What does the sex matter bro?

Stalking is stalking.

So you aint never had some girls ex boyfriend call your phone or follow you around?

 

[tallblacknyc]

What does the sex matter bro?

Stalking is stalking.

So you aint never had some girls ex boyfriend call your phone or follow you around?

Is weed crack? If somebody said they smoked crack everyday for 10 yrs straight would you say that is the same as somebody who said they shared a blunt with just weed in it once in their life?.. they are not the same

Stan and a possible stalking situation is not the same.. the sex has a lot to do with it.. if somebody called somebody a dickrider which 1 does it hurt more a dude or a chick? You know telling another nig you a dickrider is more offensive to a dude than saying it to a chick.. and a dude being mad you fucked his chick is a lot different than a nig saying I love your existence, the way you walk, the way you talk, i hope we could be together in the future.. like I said Stan was another level

 

[playahaitian]

Is weed crack? If somebody said they smoked crack everyday for 10 yrs straight would you say that is the same as somebody who said they shared a blunt with just weed in it once in their life?.. they are not the same

Stan and a possible stalking situation is not the same.. the sex has a lot to do with it.. if somebody called somebody a dickrider which 1 does it hurt more a dude or a chick? You know telling another nig you a dickrider is more offensive to a dude than saying it to a chick.. and a dude being mad you fucked his chick is a lot different than a nig saying I love your existence, the way you walk, the way you talk, i hope we could be together in the future.. like I said Stan was another level

I'm done

Yo bro you hate Em that much?

Cause I KNOW you KNOW what I'm talking about

And bro when he finally hit the town TRUST there better not be no women you don't even know

having fist fights outside the bar yelling Tall don't talk to me no more.

 

[tallblacknyc]

I'm done

Yo bro you hate Em that much?

Cause I KNOW you KNOW what I'm talking about

And bro when he finally hit the town TRUST there better not be no women you don't even know

having fist fights outside the bar yelling Tall don't talk to me no more.

I never said I hate em.. I literally posted in this thread that he has some songs I like.. I actually like Stan in fact that might be my fave track from em cause it was a diff subject matter and it rubbed my love of horror flicks with his vid. I pointed out that he has had some corny songs that he got a pass cause of his complexion and has sold lots of records cause of it. People want to argue with the truth.

 

[playahaitian]

I never said I hate em.. I literally posted in this thread that he has some songs I like.. I actually like Stan in fact that might be my fave track from em cause it was a diff subject matter and it rubbed my love of horror flicks with his vid. I pointed out that he has had some corny songs that he got a pass cause of his complexion and has sold lots of records cause of it. People want to argue with the truth.

Oh on that?

I completely understand your point and its a fair one.

 

[footloose]

Aight I know mellle Mel is in here watching everything I said so he can go use it in social media. What up mel
From Eminem saying he’s not top 5 to him being a creator and giving his take on it

 

[footloose]

Stan did not think he was a stranger though

THAT was a problem

and I was talking to Tall about something specific.

Yeah. So how do you compare a chick you fucked with to someone you never had a conversation with.

 

[Heavenlywings77]

If you argue against Melle Mel your a sucka

 

[yaBoi]

why are you trying to move the goal post. I literally said black artist wouldn’t have gone multi platinum with corny songs like my band my name is.. just realize it’s the truth and carry on. It’s laughable you said post Malone who had 1 successful albulm and has disappeared. Jack Harlow not even in the same class as em success.. ya throwing shit at the wall now hoping things stick.. accept the truth and move on

you.... can... not ....be ....serious SMH

Post Malone just did the freaking allstar game LOL

you know what... i'm just going to step out of this because y'all letting hate cloud your judgment..

I'm out

 

[WattDogs]

To who? Who'd he pay dues to?
Walk me through it. I missed that part.

To hip-hop.

It's funny how y'all shit on Em but he's done more than the Beasties, who everybody unanimously loves.

Em:

-Came up from the underground.
-Paid dues battle rapping.
-Joined a strictly underground rap crew.
-Put some of his peers & homies from the block on in the music industry.
-Paid homage to the pioneers.
-Changed rap styles, showing skill & versatility, at least three times.
-Got at least one classic album, single & guest appearance. Also got classic pop & R&B hits too.
-Co-sign from some of the legends of hip-hop.

So you tell me, what has your most esteemed MC done that Em hasn't done?

 

[playahaitian]

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[playahaitian]

Yeah. So how do you compare a chick you fucked with to someone you never had a conversation with.

I'm saying stalking is stalking

I already told you I had a chick hurt herself on a relationship she created in her head.

I've seen chicks stalk a dude they aint NEVER talk to... dudes too

it was ALL in her head

it happens

Its all the same.

the power of the song or any art is not in the specificity of the act

its the specificity the ARTIST uses to actually create a universality in the art.

Same for a script a painting, a song etc

Its about a FEELING.

 

[WattDogs]

I said how many black dudes would go multi platinum with em songs like my band and the first thing you post was skee lo who didn’t even smell platinum.. than you shitted on the classic you got what I need by biz markie by comparing it to my band and my name is like those songs are in the same league.. ya going hard trying to defend cac mediocre songs and trying to compare them to some black songs smh.. moving the goalpost for the argument

I already took the hit for throwing Skee-Lo up there. I thought he went plat, I was wrong. But it doesn't change the fact that it's the same type of song. Hip-hop comedy, for lack of a better phrase. And as much as you & I love "Just A Friend", that shit was a joke song. Biz was singing off-key the whole damn song...you can't be serious in not seeing how it's similar to "My Name Is", "My Band" & some of the other songs I mentioned.

It's not a knock on Biz or any of those other artists, everybody makes a goofy song now & again. But just because it's beloved doesn't make it a goofy song. Em just had a habit of doing it alot. Jay-Z gotta talk about crack. M.O.P. gotta spit that murder game. Rick Ross gotta lie about being a drug kingpin. Nas gonna give you some Afrocentricism. Will Smith gonna have fun in his bars. It's a gimmick, basically. Everybody had one.

 

[footloose]

I'm saying stalking is stalking

I already told you I had a chick hurt herself on a relationship she created in her head.

I've seen chicks stalk a dude they aint NEVER talk to... dudes too

it was ALL in her head

it happens

Its all the same.

the power of the song or any art is not in the specificity of the act

its the specificity the ARTIST uses to actually create a universality in the art.

Same for a script a painting, a song etc

Its about a FEELING.

No it’s not the same. Man you trying to squeeze a square peg Into a circle.

 

[playahaitian]

No it’s not the same. Man you trying to squeeze a square peg Into a circle.

I'm confused what the issue here is.

Stan is a stalker song

millions love it many can relate it to it on different levels

what more is there?

 

[tallblacknyc]

you.... can... not ....be ....serious SMH

Post Malone just did the freaking allstar game LOL

you know what... i'm just going to step out of this because y'all letting hate cloud your judgment..

I'm out

Did not watch that’s 1.. literally when he was going to release his second albulm they were talking about how his label wasn’t really pushing it or supporting it. Did em have that kinda trouble for his second lp? Em been around for 24 yrs and counting.. do you think Malone gonna be around that long?

 

[REDLINE]

 

[tallblacknyc]

I already took the hit for throwing Skee-Lo up there. I thought he went plat, I was wrong. But it doesn't change the fact that it's the same type of song. Hip-hop comedy, for lack of a better phrase. And as much as you & I love "Just A Friend", that shit was a joke song. Biz was singing off-key the whole damn song...you can't be serious in not seeing how it's similar to "My Name Is", "My Band" & some of the other songs I mentioned.

It's not a knock on Biz or any of those other artists, everybody makes a goofy song now & again. But just because it's beloved doesn't make it a goofy song. Em just had a habit of doing it alot. Jay-Z gotta talk about crack. M.O.P. gotta spit that murder game. Rick Ross gotta lie about being a drug kingpin. Nas gonna give you some Afrocentricism. Will Smith gonna have fun in his bars. It's a gimmick, basically. Everybody had one.

Do you think biz markie or skee- lo would’ve went multi platinum if their first single was my band or my name is? If the answer is no than you just prove my point and there is literally no reason to argue.. I literally posted 3 corny em songs and said no black rapper would’ve went multi platinum using those same songs especially for their first track.. everything else ya trying to compare or other subject ya trying to bring up has nothing to do with my initial comment

 

[WattDogs]

Do you think biz markie or skee- lo would’ve went multi platinum if their first single was my band or my name is? If the answer is no than you just prove my point and there is literally no reason to argue.. I literally posted 3 corny em songs and said no black rapper would’ve went multi platinum using those same songs especially for their first track.. everything else ya trying to compare or other subject ya trying to bring up has nothing to do with my initial comment

You're actually proving mine.

"I Wish" was Skee-Lo first hit & it went gold (you re-brought up Skee-Lo, not me).

"Wild Thing" was Tone Loc's first hit, multi-plat.

"Bust A Move" was Young MC's first hit that went plat, but was the third single.

And if Biz wasn't a golden age rapper & came out during that mainstream era with "Just A Friend", then yeah, he would have blew too. "Just A Friend" is a timeless song.

 

[dik cashmere]

Not even

Ask Mel if he wrote the message

 

[playahaitian]

Ask Mel if he wrote the message

DO NOT DO THIS TO ME.

DO NOT.

I CAN NOT TAKE IT.

 

[therealjondoe]

DO NOT DO THIS TO ME.















DO NOT.















I CAN NOT TAKE IT.

So we going to make the top 50 list ?

 

[tallblacknyc]

You're actually proving mine.

"I Wish" was Skee-Lo first hit & it went gold (you re-brought up Skee-Lo, not me).

"Wild Thing" was Tone Loc's first hit, multi-plat.

"Bust A Move" was Young MC's first hit that went plat, but was the third single.

And if Biz wasn't a golden age rapper & came out during that mainstream era with "Just A Friend", then yeah, he would have blew too. "Just A Friend" is a timeless song.

Dude you posted skee lo first not me.. so you brought up skee lo first.. I said no Blackman would go multi platinum with my band , my name is.. you responded to me by posting skee lo and other black rappers that didn’t go multi platinum like em to argue.. dudes try to argue and than act like they didn’t respond by posting towards a comment

 

[tallblacknyc]

You mean like how these guys did?







I won't say that being white doesn't have some degree in Em's success (even he says that) but I can name dozens of white MCs, some that had a legend's co-sign (Da Knuckleheadz), underground love (El-P), hood talent (Millkbone), celebs with a built-in audience (Brian Austin Grren), played a starring role in a hip-hop movie (Kamron from Young Black Teenagers, who were also co-signed be Chuck D), cats that held they own with modern day legends (Bubba Sparxxx) & even those that paved their own way in hip-hop (Insane Clown Posse). None have been half as successful as Em.

Em has paid his dues in hip-hop & should be rightfully respected.

This is your response to me.. I didn’t even say nothing to you.. you responded to my comment and you posted skee lo to argue against my statement.. are nigs forgettIng their own response in here

 

[footloose]

Ask Mel if he wrote the message

“A child was born with no state of mind “. Written by melle Mel

 

[tallblacknyc]

You're actually proving mine.

"I Wish" was Skee-Lo first hit & it went gold (you re-brought up Skee-Lo, not me).

"Wild Thing" was Tone Loc's first hit, multi-plat.

"Bust A Move" was Young MC's first hit that went plat, but was the third single.

And if Biz wasn't a golden age rapper & came out during that mainstream era with "Just A Friend", then yeah, he would have blew too. "Just A Friend" is a timeless song.

Wild thing wasn’t even considered a rap record to most and actually got played on rock stations.. as far as bust a move platinum is not multi platinum.. 1 will never be 2 or 1 will never be more than 1.. there’s a reason the English dictionary describes one as singular and a reason why multiple describes as 2 or more.. don’t destroy the English dictionary trying to defend a white boy.. as far as skee lo we know half a million is 6 figs and never will be 7 figs or considered millions.. so your argument has literally failed multiple times trying to defend em.. that means on more than one occasion you were wrong

 

[Heavenlywings77]

To hip-hop.

It's funny how y'all shit on Em but he's done more than the Beasties, who everybody unanimously loves.

Em:

-Came up from the underground.
-Paid dues battle rapping.
-Joined a strictly underground rap crew.
-Put some of his peers & homies from the block on in the music industry.
-Paid homage to the pioneers.
-Changed rap styles, showing skill & versatility, at least three times.
-Got at least one classic album, single & guest appearance. Also got classic pop & R&B hits too.
-Co-sign from some of the legends of hip-hop.

So you tell me, what has your most esteemed MC done that Em hasn't done?

He definitely didn't pay his dues to hip hop. Cherry picking battles. Using white privilege to bolster his image. Nahhhhhh mann

 

[REDLINE]

He definitely didn't pay his dues to hip hop. Cherry picking battles. Using white privilege to bolster his image. Nahhhhhh mann

It's perfectly ok not to like Eminem or his music, but at least be factual.

He paid his dues and is respected because he came up in the battle rap circuit.

 

[tallblacknyc]

Another elephant in the room nobody would want to touch about ems white privilege is the fact that no other rapper has worn as many dresses than em or ever had a nig land on his face with their nuts( borat incident on mtv awards). No black man could do all these suspect things and not be called a fag.. yet em has at least 4 vids of him cross dressing and that teabag situation and nobody calls him a fag or anything. Yet let pac, biggie, jay, nas, 50, drake , etc do the samething and they would’ve been called fag from now through the end of time.. yet people in here gonna act like ‘em complexion didn’t have a factor of people not calling him a homo or that some of those corny ass songs would’ve move units like they did if he was black