Your thoughts on this JayZ comment.

[trappstarr82]

aight now we can talk
dmx was the man then

now if we talk relevancy jay prolly nr1
but he was never the top guy

Bro what are yall basing this on?

1. Jay ran the radio in 98-99'. "Hard Knock Life" had more hits than "And Then There Was X" which both came out in 98-99'.
• Hard Knock Life
• Nigga What
• Money, Cash, Hoes
• Can I get a...
• Money Aint a Thang

2. He headlined and closed the Hard Knock Life Tour. (X went before Jay. Seems like the hottest would have closed)

3. "Hard Knock Life" sold more copies than "And Then There was X"

If yall like X better, just say that.

 

[Complex]

best rapper is never determined by sales

That shit ain't hip hop and is a stupid argument

You could make the same argument about Nas.

 

[kidmegaii]

When did Ha and back dat azz up, drop?

/thread

Big time. Ludacris had singles same year Jay dropped the Blueprint yeah okay. Didnt Juvenile drop Ha and Back dat azz up in the same year (99?)where shouldn't he be the hottest rrapper? Ah shit i just fed the troll.

 

[trappstarr82]

best rapper is never determined by sales

That shit ain't hip hop and is a stupid argument

You could make the same argument about Nas.

They are talking about the HOTTEST rapper, not the best rapper.

 

[Non-StopJFK2TAB]

Bro what are yall basing this on?

1. Jay ran the radio in 98-99'. "Hard Knock Life" had more hits than "And Then There Was X" which both came out in 98-99'.
• Hard Knock Life
• Nigga What
• Money, Cash, Hoes
• Can I get a...
• Money Aint a Thang

2. He headlined and closed the Hard Knock Life Tour. (X went before Jay. Seems like the hottest would have closed)

3. "Hard Knock Life" sold more copies than "And Then There was X"

If yall like X better, just say that.

We like DMX more.

 

[Non-StopJFK2TAB]

When did Ha and back dat azz up, drop?
Big time. Ludacris had singles same year Jay dropped the Blueprint yeah okay. Didnt Juvenile drop Ha and Back dat azz up in the same year (99?)where shouldn't he be the hottest rrapper? Ah shit i just fed the troll.

Ha feels like 98. I was in the 7/8 grade and I remember talking to my friend at the time asking him does this guy not dick-hop. I remember getting the OutKast cds from those lovely people who would send you 12 cds for $1, and started wondering why wasn’t he on their records too. The man clearly has no shame. He will weasel his way onto any charting rap record and pretend. Lo and behold, he finds UGK and does his dick-hoping thing. Where he still gets washed.

He’s is the Vince Carter of rap. I guess he was cool in the beginning but the last 30 years and 90 teams in the league really is a blur.

 

[Walter Panov]

Jay has been consistent for 25+ years. What are yall even talking about right now?

i would rather have longevity over a long period of time than be the hottest thing smoking for 2 or 3 years and fade out like many of the artist he named.

 

[trappstarr82]

Look at my post about 6 posts up.

 

[godofwine]

Curious. How come?

Coons and their sell-out behavior disgusts me. These are the same type of people who had our ancestors killed centuries of gold during slavery informing Massa on plots of Uprising or Escape

Throughout history, these type of people have had black people killed from Fred Hampton on down to names we don't even know. They are traitors. The only good thing about Candice Owens, Jesse Lee Peterson and a few of the others is their traitor status is known

The unknown ones are the ones who scare me the most, the William O'Neal's of the world

 

[Amajorfucup]

You could make the same argument about Nas.

You could. And he would be right then too.

 

[keone]

Bro what are yall basing this on?

1. Jay ran the radio in 98-99'. "Hard Knock Life" had more hits than "And Then There Was X" which both came out in 98-99'.
• Hard Knock Life
• Nigga What
• Money, Cash, Hoes
• Can I get a...
• Money Aint a Thang

2. He headlined and closed the Hard Knock Life Tour. (X went before Jay. Seems like the hottest would have closed)

3. "Hard Knock Life" sold more copies than "And Then There was X"

If yall like X better, just say that.

album sales bro quick google and u will found out
not even going to mention movies etc
u rewrite history

 

[TheAlias]

Coons and their sell-out behavior disgusts me. These are the same type of people who had our ancestors killed centuries of gold during slavery informing Massa on plots of Uprising or Escape

Throughout history, these type of people have had black people killed from Fred Hampton on down to names we don't even know. They are traitors. The only good thing about Candice Owens, Jesse Lee Peterson and a few of the others is their traitor status is known

The unknown ones are the ones who scare me the most, the William O'Neal's of the world

Really didn't answer my question, but okay.

Don't know much about JLP. As far as CO, her latest stuff as been on point honestly. It's not what you would hear a lot of black folks say....I'l grant you that.

 

[donwuan]

Bro what are yall basing this on?

1. Jay ran the radio in 98-99'. "Hard Knock Life" had more hits than "And Then There Was X" which both came out in 98-99'.
• Hard Knock Life
• Nigga What
• Money, Cash, Hoes
• Can I get a...
• Money Aint a Thang

2. He headlined and closed the Hard Knock Life Tour. (X went before Jay. Seems like the hottest would have closed)

3. "Hard Knock Life" sold more copies than "And Then There was X"

If yall like X better, just say that.

It's Dark and Hell Is Hot and Flesh of My Flesh, Blood of My Blood came out in 98 and sold 7.5 million combined. ...And Then There Was X came out in 99 and sold 5 million. But sales aside Jay is better than X.

 

[34real]

He outlasted other's not because of music but the other shit he started doing and being married to Beyonce helped him too.

NYC needed a face and he became it

 

[godofwine]

Really didn't answer my question, but okay.

Don't know much about JLP. As far as CO, her latest stuff as been on point honestly. It's not what you would hear a lot of black folks say....I'l grant you that.

Once you show yourself to be a coon I got no more Holla for you. She becomes the broken clock thats right twice a day. Good for you, but I'm not setting my clock to her. Stacey Dash, too.

I don't know how I didn't answer your question. I said I support black people except for coons

 

[Heavenlywings77]

There aren't facts to best rapper

yes there are,

your favorite does not=best

 

[TheAlias]

Once you show yourself to be a coon I got no more Holla for you. She becomes the broken clock thats right twice a day. Good for you, but I'm not setting my clock to her. Stacey Dash, too.

I don't know how I didn't answer your question. I said I support black people except for coons

For starters, how about you speak about what she said specifically?

I ask because some immediately use the coon label because they don't say what black people are expected to say. She may not be "invited to the cookout", but I think you do yourself a disservice by not actually addressing what you disagree with.

 

[REDLINE]

yes there are,

your favorite does not=best

What “Facts” make the best rapper?

 

[trappstarr82]

album sales bro quick google and u will found out
not even going to mention movies etc
u rewrite history

We are talking about a specific year on who was the hottest.
X was not hotter than Jay in 98-99.

Movies came later.

But since you brought it up...

Album sells:
Hard Knock Life = 5,400,000
And Then there was X = 4,900,000

All time album sales:
Jay Z = 29,179,000
DMX = 16,714,000

All time record sales:
Jay Z = 140,000,000
DMX = 74,000,000

Again... Just say you like X better bro. It's OK. Your emotions don't outweigh the facts.

 

[trappstarr82]

It's Dark and Hell Is Hot and Flesh of My Flesh, Blood of My Blood came out in 98 and sold 7.5 million combined. ...And Then There Was X came out in 99 and sold 5 million. But sales aside Jay is better than X.

We were only comparing "Hard Knock Life" and "And Then There Was X" because they were out simultaneously. Jay was hotter than X in 98-99.

 

[REDLINE]

We are talking about a specific year on who was the hottest.
X was not hotter than Jay in 98-99.

Movies came later.

But since you brought it up...

Album sells:
Hard Knock Life = 5,400,000
And Then there was X = 4,900,000

All time album sales:
Jay Z = 29,179,000
DMX = 16,714,000

All time record sales:
Jay Z = 140,000,000
DMX = 74,000,000

Again... Just say you like X better bro. It's OK. Your emotions don't outweigh the facts.

We were only comparing "Hard Knock Life" and "And Then There Was X" because they were out simultaneously. Jay was hotter than X in 98-99.

X released two albums in 1998 that sold almost 9 million albums combined.

But Lauren Hill was the "Hottest" rapper in 1998, if by "Hottest" we mean record sales.

By sales, the "Hottest" rappers in 1999 in order were Dr. Dre, Eminem, DMX, Will Smith and then Jay.

https://bestsellingalbums.org/year/1998

https://bestsellingalbums.org/year/1999


Honestly the "Hottest" talk is kinda irritating because record sales only recognizes commercial success.

It doesn't take into account who had the biggest effect on Hip Hop.

 

[trappstarr82]

X released two albums in 1998 that sold almost 9 million albums combined.

But Lauren Hill was the "Hottest" rapper in 1998, if by "Hottest" we mean record sales.

By sales, the "Hottest" rappers in 1999 in order were Dr. Dre, Eminem, DMX, Will Smith and then Jay.

https://bestsellingalbums.org/year/1998

https://bestsellingalbums.org/year/1999


Honestly the "Hottest" talk is kinda irritating because record sales only recognizes commercial success.

It doesn't take into account who had the biggest effect on Hip Hop.

I didn't bring up record sales, I was just responding. You are bringing up multiple albums X did when I was comparing 1 album against the other.

I also said that Jay headlined and closed the Hard Knock Life tour.

If X was the hottest he would have closed the show and it would have been called the "And Then There Was X" tour.

Yall act like yall weren't around in 99. Maybe yall werent, but Jay was the hottest rapper in the game at that time.

 

[REDLINE]

I didn't bring up record sales, I was just responding. You are bringing up multiple albums X did when I was comparing 1 album against the other.

I also said that Jay headlined and closed the Hard Knock Life tour.

If X was the hottest he would have closed the show and it would have been called the "And Then There Was X" tour.

Yall act like yall weren't around in 99. Maybe yall werent, but Jay was the hottest rapper in the game at that time.

If X had albums that sold 9 million in one year and Jay sold 5 then...

I asked a couple of times in this thread WTF did "Hottest" mean a nobody answered!

In my opinion Jay was that guy for damn near two decades, he was and is the Michael Jordan of rap.

Just like Jordan's, at one point we all looked forward to a Jay release each year. So to me he was they guy.

I said "The Guy" because if I say hottest one more time I'm gonna fucking snap!

 

[shaddyvillethug]

Can't Knock the Hustle
Brooklyns Finest
Can I Live
Can I Live feat: Memp Bleek
Friend or Foe

As far as Anthems for your city lets also remember Pac/Mc New York is from New York
Empire State of Mind > California Love

Jay-Z Empire State of Mind is unofficially the Anthem for NYC. Can't say California Love has the same impact for Cali.

 

[BlackGoku]

I basically said that same shit. He outlasted everybody from his generation and many generations afterwards.

To quote Jay Z himself, can't knock the hustle

Unless they are Candice Owens or Jesse Lee Peterson, I root for any black person who is winning against the system, and I'm rooting for Jay Z and Beyonce

How quickly people forget Blueprint 1, which is consistently rated in the top 10 rap albums of all time; like someone said earlier..this dude is trolling

 

[godofwine]

For starters, how about you speak about what she said specifically?

I ask because some immediately use the coon label because they don't say what black people are expected to say. She may not be "invited to the cookout", but I think you do yourself a disservice by not actually addressing what you disagree with.

Dude, Coondace NoWins is a known coon. I don't have the energy to sift through her twitter to show her coonliness to satisfy you.

If you wanna rock with her, knock yourself out. But her and her White lives matter self is outkast, pronounced outkast because she thinks it's all about pimping hoes and slamming Cadillac doors

 

[Mrfreddygoodbud]

Yea dude sounds like a hater, to survive THIS long, and MARRY THE HOTTEST CHICK IN THE GAME...

uh he is the hottest rapper in the game..

hot doesnt equal record sales... the corniest stupidest songs ever, gets millions of sales, views and streams.

by this guys measurments, Im never gonna give you up,

was one of the hottest songs ever written,

that song always made me want to kick in the speaker playing it

 

[gutsdabeast]

"Hottest" is subjective & is based on no real fact-based metric everyone would agree on. This is his opinion. Some will agree with it & some will disagree with it. I personally disagree. I don't care who the "hottest" rapper was. I care about whether the music was/is good to me. Some of the rappers he mentioned would never make it to my playlists.

 

[Goingmark40]

jay made good music....to me he definitely wasn't the greatest or hottest or whatever term that can be for best rapper. that being said what made a lot of these rappers or even just music artist better or great is just staying consistent. puttting out music at a good rate and keeping their fanbase intact. jay stayed relevant through every artist phase that dude named.

 

[Heavenlywings77]

Jay has been consistent for 25+ years. What are yall even talking about right now?

i would rather have longevity over a long period of time than be the hottest thing smoking for 2 or 3 years and fade out like many of the artist he named.

Man said you get to be G.O.A.T. status for being consistently mediocre for 25 yearssssss.

Jay - Z gets to be the top for coming in 2nd and 3rd place for 25 years.

Then has the audacity to post a gif about moving the goal post!?!?!?!?

Naaaaaahhhh

 

[BlackGoku]

Man said you get to be G.O.A.T. status for being consistently mediocre for 25 yearssssss.

Jay - Z gets to be the top for coming in 2nd and 3rd place for 25 years.

Then has the audacity to post a gif about moving the goal post!?!?!?!?

Naaaaaahhhh

Jay z been mediocre for 25 years? Since when does consistently being in top 3 every year for 25 years count for being mediocre?

 

[Heavenlywings77]

Jay z been mediocre for 25 years? Since when does consistently being in top 3 every year for 25 years count for being mediocre?

The funniest thing about you saying this.... If it were someone or something you didn't like, or weren't conditioned to favor, you'd be saying that would be considered consistently losing.

Imagine bringing up a bunch of losing stats and reaching to put that as number 1!!

 

[BlackGoku]

The funniest thing about you saying this.... If it were someone or something you didn't like, or weren't conditioned to favor, you'd be saying that would be considered consistently losing.

Imagine bringing up a bunch of losing stats and reaching to put that as number 1!!

So I see right now im talking to Ricky "if youre not first youre last" Bobby, and it's not like Jay-Z was always 2nd or 3rd..I was in HS when hard knock life came out and i can tell you i got so sick of that song being played on the radio...jay z had pockets where he was the hottest rapper based on radio play and MTV play, im not sure how old you are, video play in the mid to late 90s, jay z was ALWAYS on...Can I get A, Hard Knock Life, Big Pimpin...then Jay got to a point where he wasnt the main guy and wanted to see others shine with Roc-A-Fella..at this point, jay aint trying to be no.1 because he doesn't have to be...i think youre looking at what being the GOAT entails...Robert Horry has more rings than MJ, but does that mean robert horry is the GOAT over MJ? Hell NO!!

 

[TooTrilla]

Who gives a fuck? Rap is the only music where people are always trying to debate who the hottest or best is. Aint no best. Listen to who you want and keep it the fuck pushing.

The only fact that could be proven with the whole best rapper thing is not who's the best, but who is the wealthiest

 

[TheAlias]

Dude, Coondace NoWins is a known coon. I don't have the energy to sift through her twitter to show her coonliness to satisfy you.

If you wanna rock with her, knock yourself out. But her and her White lives matter self is outkast, pronounced outkast because she thinks it's all about pimping hoes and slamming Cadillac doors

And what's sad is that you think you've been saying something during our entire exchange.