Yeah, that’s why I’m curious.
I know there a many factors that plays a part in how people see the world, but I was particularly interested us because I tend to see us on the more conservative side of things when it comes to certain positions.
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Yeah, that’s why I’m curious.
I know there a many factors that plays a part in how people see the world, but I was particularly interested us because I tend to see us on the more conservative side of things when it comes to certain positions.
A lot of black people are socially conservative yes I would agree with that.
No for sure…
For example, morally my family is against abortions but we also feel it’s a woman’s right at the end of the day. Also, what people do behind closed doors is their business. To ostracize and vilify people for not wanting to play make-believe is asinine.
It goes on, but I’ll fall back for now.
Yeah, social conservative is probably more appropriate.
Yeah I'm very liberal a progressive AZ actually it's rare that I come across other black progressives lol.
when you say black progressives, what do you mean by that?
Generally very liberal both economically and socially.
Prohibition started in a very similar way to the pro-life charge. It was a noble experiment to push the beliefs and values of one group on the rest. It literally did NONE of these things they say was the intent.
Alcohol Prohibition Was a Failure
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National prohibition of alcohol (1920–33) — the “noble experiment” — was undertaken to reduce crime and corruption, solve social problems, reduce the tax burden created by prisons and poorhouses, and improve health and hygiene in America.
Alcohol Prohibition Was a Failure
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National prohibition of alcohol (1920–33) — the “noble experiment” — was undertaken to reduce crime and corruption, solve social problems, reduce the tax burden created by prisons and poorhouses, and improve health and hygiene in America.
As some of the other brothers have stated, having less liberal stances doesn't mean you are white. I'm from the south. I was close to my grandparents on both sides of my family. So, my upbringing was definitely more conservative as black families are concerned.
What's interesting about many of you so-called liberals is that having a view that is contrary to your own brinhs out the worst in many of you. Yes, I'm opposed to abortion. I believe using abortion as birth control is wrong. However, despite my stance, I've stated repeatedly that if a person lives in a state that allows abortions, then it their right to kill the baby. If they do not live in such a state, then they don't. I believe "plan B" should be mandatory for ALL rape victims. I believe all non-emergency abortions should be illegal beyond 10 weeks. And children should not be able to get abortions without parent consent if the parent is the legal guardian.
I'm from the hood. So I know what goes down. I know young thots be getting it in in Jr. High and High School. And no, all young thots are not victims. Many of them are simply hoes like their mamas who allows some irresponsible fool to skeet in them.
Yes, mistakes happen. However, I do not support killing a baby in an effort to correct a "mistake."
Apples and oranges.
But, I will say this. There is definitive research that supports the fact the alcohol has ZERO health benefits and is more dangerous than we ever suspected.
I'm not going to comment on black people from the south.
But but the southern white folks I know tend to be a lot more conservative than the Cacs from California.
I don't know what or why. Maybe it's just something in the water.
Generally speaking people in the city tend to be more liberal because they have to.
For instance, if you're in San Francisco you're likely to have a gay boss, a gay neighbor, your kids have at the gay teacher, and there's two dudes holding hands in front of you in the line at Starbucks.
How far do you think an anti-LGBT attitude is going to get you?
It's the same reason you don't see Trump rallies in the middle of Oakland. Even if you support the bastard you know better than to show in public. Put a trump 2024 sticker on your bumper, drive Safeway and see if you still have windows by the time you get back with the groceries.
You still have a lot of the same conservative laws and power structures that you do in any other two bit one horse town, but socially people tend to be a lot more open.
Are you mature enough to cut monthly checks for 18 years?
That's a southern thing. None of the black folks I know are conservative.
Yes, if I got a woman other than my wife pregnant.
My situation is different. I would fight for custody of the child. The same if my sons ever got a girl pregnant before marriage. Before she considered abortion I would let her know that we would gladly take and raise the baby. This way, she can't use most of the abortion for convenience excuses.
Do yo believe a woman that gets an abortion in a state where it is illegal should be charged with murder or conspiracy to commit murder? Asking because a lot of people that are anti abortion rights don't want to go there because they know what will happen if things go that route (are people gonna be ok with 19 year old suzy college girl going to prison for 20 years for getting an abortion?).
...but if it's murder, and murderers are charged and prosecuted, then shouldn't those states be putting women in prison for 1st degree murder ?
...but if it's murder, and murderers are charged and prosecuted, then shouldn't those states be putting women in prison for 1st degree murder ?
I had a similar experience growing up in a small, conservative, mostly white, mostly rural community of about 20,000 people in Canada.
The town had one high school that taught 500 kids from 8th to the 12th grade. In my old yearbook you see the odd 9th grader posing with a baby. By 10th grade is about a quarter. By 11th grade it's nearly half. 12th grade the number goes down a bit, but mostly because they dropped out.
If you believe that abortion is murder and shouldn't be used as birth control that's fine. But what do we do to correct the situations that lead to young ladies making bad decisions in the first place?
Like I told my daughters, "if you wind up pregnant it's up to you whether or not to keep the baby, but just know that whatever you choose is going to break your heart."
I believe that people have to abide by the laws of their state. If you knowingly break the law, you should be punished. Regarding murder, I do believe that the unborn child is a live person. Ending that life is murder. In my opinion, if a man was to punch his pregnant girlfriend in the stomach or engage in any action that leads to the termination of the pregnancy, he should be charged with murder. The same goes for a woman who engages in terminating the pregnancy in a state where abortions are illegal, whether at home or with a professional. I also believe that any professional that performs an abortion in a state where abortions are illegal should be charged and lose their license. This is excluding extreme circumstances.
There has to be more of an effort to normalize condoms and other forms of birth control. Also, fathers have to father. Young girls are being conditioned to use sex as a tool for advancement. While also being conditioned to believe that the number of sexual partners a woman has doesn't matter, when in fact it does.
So, if you had a daughter that got "skeeted in," then you would let your child become a mother?
Dude, if you ain't white, you better ask GOD to make you one in your next life. Because you got some real warped thinking. Now, this is my opinion and don't get offended. So, you believe in people following the laws in their states. But, what if those laws are wrong? What if those laws are harmful to the people of that state? Do you still abide by those laws? Well, your ancestors were law abiding people but the whole U.S., especially the Southern part had laws on the books that were harmful to them. Now, if they were still enforced would you still abide by those laws? Your ancestors felt that those laws weren't fit to be followed and broke everyone of them. Shit, I don't know about you, but I am damn glad they felt those laws weren't shit, because it they didn't we would really be fucked up in this country. Finally, because shit is a law don't make it right.
Right, because you’re sure she wasn’t sexually assaulted, coerce, pimped out, etc?
Yes.
I agree. However, in fact I believe that current laws that infringed on the rights of unborn children are akin to laws that infringed on the rights of black people. I do not want to control a woman's body. A woman or man should be able to do whatever they want with their bodies. However, I believe that the body inside the woman also has rights.
So, to your point, regarding feeling like laws are wrong. In my opinion, allowing abortions in non emergency situations after 10 weeks is wrong.
We do not know this. And this has not been mentioned in any documents. You are defaulting to extreme circumstances of less to support your position. Why can't this just be a situation where a young girl with poor guidance was out in these streets acting wild and got pregnant by some irresponsible young boy? We know this happens 97% more often than rape or incest. The data supports this.
Why am I concerned? Because, although the data is available, most people will never see it and the media will not report it. This trend will continue across the country and will become the norm for black folk.
Estimated Abortion Percentage (2020): 51.5%
In 2020, an estimated 51.5% of pregnancies in the District of Columbia ended in abortion. It was arrived at by dividing Guttmacher's abortion estimate by the sum total of live births—as reported by the CDC—and estimated abortions.
Estimated Abortion Rate* (2020): 48.9
The Guttmacher Institute estimates that the 2020 abortion rate for the District of Columbia was 48.9. The 2020 abortion rate across the entire United States was 14.4. The table below compares District of Columbia abortion rates by selected year.
Estimated Abortion Percentage (2020): 51.5%
In 2020, an estimated 51.5% of pregnancies in the District of Columbia ended in abortion. It was arrived at by dividing Guttmacher's abortion estimate by the sum total of live births—as reported by the CDC—and estimated abortions.
Estimated Abortion Rate* (2020): 48.9
The Guttmacher Institute estimates that the 2020 abortion rate for the District of Columbia was 48.9. The 2020 abortion rate across the entire United States was 14.4. The table below compares District of Columbia abortion rates by selected year.
And she's mature enough to give it to you to raise and take care of.
There are enough ignorant mothafuckers as it is. I have no problem with this.
Woman May Be Forced to Give Birth to a Headless Baby Because of an Abortion Ban
“It’s hard, knowing that I’m carrying it to bury it, you know what I’m saying?”
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Situations like this arise when politicians who are not knowledgeable about various birth abnormalities make decisions. In this case, acrania is an ultra-rare condition in which most babies die within hours. They have a list of exceptions. Acrania is not listed. Hopefully, they will be granted an exception.Woman May Be Forced to Give Birth to a Headless Baby Because of an Abortion Ban
“It’s hard, knowing that I’m carrying it to bury it, you know what I’m saying?”
We also don’t know that the young lady was just being loose in the streets, and your fuzzy math that has no source other than your misguided opinion isn’t relevant in the discussion.
My G, if you have been around here long enough, you should know I NEVER quote numbers without having the source available. 97-98% percent of ALL abortions are for reasons other than rape or incest.
From the source:
In both surveys, 1% indicated that they had been victims of rape, and less than half a percent said they became pregnant as a result of incest.
Source: https://www.guttmacher.org/journals...ons-quantitative-and-qualitative-perspectives
My "misguided" opinion is based upon science and data.
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None of these statistics have anything to do with this particular case. You don't know the circumstances that lead to this girl's pregnancy, not that they're relevant or your business but still.
Technically they didn't say she has to "raise" the baby, just that she can't abort the child, I would assume adoption is an option, but I'm sure after carrying a baby for 9 months in the womb, it will make that decision harder but you never know with these kids nowadays
your proximity to options decides your liberalization or conservativeness.
It's very relevant. Why? Because rape and incest keeps getting brought up. So, if we are going to have a genuine conversation, then we must rely on the data. For most people who are in favor of full abortion access, the default response to data is citing the extreme situations. "What if she was raped?" Or "What if she was involved in incest?" So, I say sure. The data does show that 1-2% of abortions are due to rape and incest. Now, lets talk about the other 97-98%.
I'm not actively attempting to stop any woman from killing her and the father's child. I just don't agree with it and would never support abortions without stringent limitations.
you keep bringing up this point. If it as rare as you keep stating, why not have the exceptions in ALL cases? it makes no sense to make it difficult/impossible to have a late(r) term abortion under those specific circumstances if the data shows that that those instances are rare. Correct?
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