Florida Court Says Teen Not 'Mature' Enough For Abortion, So Must Bear Child

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The 16-year-old, who is working toward her GED, said she knew she was not ready to care for a baby.

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A Florida appeals court decided Monday to uphold a lower court’s ruling that a pregnant 16-year-old had not shown she was “mature” enough to terminate her unwanted pregnancy, and must therefore give birth.

The teen, described as “parentless” in court documents, has been petitioning the state court system to let her get an abortion without the written consent of a parent or guardian, which is required for minors under a law signed by Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) two years ago.

She argued before Escambia County Circuit Court Judge Jennifer Frydrychowicz that she was not ready to be a parent and did not have a job. She was living with a relative while she worked toward earning her GED.

But Frydrychowicz found that the teen did not establish “by clear and convincing evidence that she was sufficiently mature to decide whether to terminate her pregnancy,” court documents say. Florida’s First District Court of Appeals upheld the decision, with two judges on the panel concurring and one issuing a separate opinion concurring in part and dissenting in part.

In Florida, abortion is only permitted until the 15-week mark. (The American Civil Liberties Union is challenging the law, but at the moment it remains in effect.) The teen was 10 weeks pregnant when she first came before the court with her case worker and a guardian ad litem.

The teen explained to Frydrychowicz how she had researched abortion procedures, saying that she understood her medical options and had weighed the pros and cons of having an abortion.

Judge Scott Makar, the appellate court panelist who dissented in part, wrote that he believed Frydrychowicz did not think the teen had put enough consideration into the matter, because she was under heightened stress due to the recent death of a friend.

His dissent stemmed from his opinion that the case should have been sent back to the trial judge to sort out some loose ends, and he appeared to encourage the teen to go back and make her case again.

But she may be able to get an abortion another way. As Makar noted, the teen initially told the court that her legal guardian “was fine” with the decision to terminate her pregnancy. Under Florida law, Makar pointed out, she does not need to go through the judicial bypass process at all if her guardian fills out a form affirming their consent to the abortion.

Oddly, the issue of the teen’s guardian was “raised indirectly” but “not addressed” by the court, Makar said.

He also noted that the teen “inexplicably checked the box indicating that she did not request an attorney, which is available by law for free under the statute,” suggesting the process might have gone differently from the start if not for a check mark on a form.
 
what about mature enough to raise a functional adult
Yes. Absolutely mature enough to raise a functional and successful adult. In the US, we have a tendency to inhibit the growth and maturity of our children. It used to be common for an 18 year old to be ready to go out into the world on his or her own. Now?? Some of yall got 30 year olds living with you or you yourself are the 30 something year old living at home still trying to "figure it out." No shade.

I'm not saying that it will be easy for the young lady. However, I can not subscribe to the idea of killing a baby simply because raising that baby will be difficult. Raising any child is difficult.

Most of our great-grandparents and grandparents had children at or before 16. Arguably, those children turned out better than children being born later in today's society.
 
If she's Not mature enough to have an abortion what makes them think she is mature enough to raise a child. She's going to end up leaving that baby on a park bench or in the river..smh
With all due respect, you are attempting to suggest an extreme act to justify another extreme act. Additionally, there is no data that supports the idea that young girls are more likely to leave children on park benches.

Do I think the logic used by the courts is flawed? Somewhat. I think what they were trying to imply is that having an abortion is a huge undertaking that tends to always have adverse effects on the would be mothers.

Truthfully, a physician assisted abortion is unnatural. While conversely and as counterintuitive as it may seem in today's society, having the child is natural. The young lady engaged in an act that whose primary purpose is reproduction. She knew the consequences. As far as we know, she is not a victim of rape or incest.
 
She was mature enough to make the baby, she's mature enough to have the baby. Abortion should not be used as birth control.
Regardless if you feel that way, mind your own fucking business or donate for her to take care of that child for the next 18 years.

I don't like abortions either, but I hate the you're stuck with it mentality that pro-life people have when it comes to abortion.

I'm going to tell you like this, I know there are people on this board who have special needs children, but if I was born seriously special needs I would rather have been aborted,.

My ex-wife and I when we were talking about having kids when we were together agreed that we would abort if we had a child who was severely a special needs or deformed

No one likes abortion. No one. But it's also not me who's going to be stuck with that responsibility so unless I'm going to Pony up, I need to shut up and my my own goddamn business

Most of the people out here talking about it's a life. It's a life. It's a life can't tell the difference between a human fetus and insert this mammal fetus in the first 10 weeks when most abortions take place

With all due respect, you are attempting to suggest an extreme act to justify another extreme act. Additionally, there is no data that supports the idea that young girls are more likely to leave children on park benches.

Do I think the logic used by the courts is flawed? Somewhat. I think what they were trying to imply is that having an abortion is a huge undertaking that tends to always have adverse effects on the would be mothers.

Truthfully, a physician assisted abortion is unnatural. While conversely and as counterintuitive as it may seem in today's society, having the child is natural. The young lady engaged in an act that whose primary purpose is reproduction. She knew the consequences. As far as we know, she is not a victim of rape or incest.

Placing your own morality on the situation is what I have a problem with. You entered into a situation where the primary purpose is reproduction. She knew the consequences so you're stuck with it. That is primarily the Christian pro-life Outlook

Mind your own goddamn business unless you are going to financially help this person take care of this life she either doesn't want to or financially can't take care of for the rest of his life
 
Regardless if you feel that way, mind your own fucking business or donate for her to take care of that child for the next 18 years.

I don't like abortions either, but I hate the you're stuck with it mentality that pro-life people have when it comes to abortion.

I'm going to tell you like this, I know there are people on this board who have special needs children, but if I was born seriously special needs I would rather have been aborted,.

My ex-wife and I when we were talking about having kids when we were together agreed that we would abort if we had a child who was severely a special needs or deformed

No one likes abortion. No one. But it's also not me who's going to be stuck with that responsibility so unless I'm going to Pony up, I need to shut up and my my own goddamn business

Most of the people out here talking about it's a life. It's a life. It's a life can't tell the difference between a human fetus and insert this mammal fetus in the first 10 weeks when most abortions take place
As a citizen of this society, why do I have to be silent?

The same way I would not be silent about someone killing an adult for convenience is the same way I'm not silent about killing a child for convenience.

As I stated several times. I'm against using abortion as a contraceptive. Aborting children with serious birth defects should be considered. However, we are comparing extreme cases to the norm. Apples to oranges. In functioning societies, there has to be rational limits to acts in order to maintain that society.

I do not believe all abortions should be illegal. But, there has to be a line somewhere.
 
Regardless if you feel that way, mind your own fucking business or donate for her to take care of that child for the next 18 years.

I don't like abortions either, but I hate the you're stuck with it mentality that pro-life people have when it comes to abortion.

I'm going to tell you like this, I know there are people on this board who have special needs children, but if I was born seriously special needs I would rather have been aborted,.

My ex-wife and I when we were talking about having kids when we were together agreed that we would abort if we had a child who was severely a special needs or deformed

No one likes abortion. No one. But it's also not me who's going to be stuck with that responsibility so unless I'm going to Pony up, I need to shut up and my my own goddamn business

Most of the people out here talking about it's a life. It's a life. It's a life can't tell the difference between a human fetus and insert this mammal fetus in the first 10 weeks when most abortions take place



Placing your own morality on the situation is what I have a problem with. You entered into a situation where the primary purpose is reproduction. She knew the consequences so you're stuck with it. That is primarily the Christian pro-life Outlook

Mind your own goddamn business unless you are going to financially help this person take care of this life she either doesn't want to or financially can't take care of for the rest of his life

:bravo:
 
Amazing that some feel they have the right to govern what a woman does with her own body. To abort or not should be between the female and her doctor and no one else. If it is a sin as many believe I'd say they should remember the Biblical admonition to "judge not, lest you be judged". If there is a judgement to be made let God make it, not man or its courts. :hmm:
 
As a citizen of this society, why do I have to be silent?

The same way I would not be silent about someone killing an adult for convenience is the same way I'm not silent about killing a child for convenience.

As I stated several times. I'm against using abortion as a contraceptive. Aborting children with serious birth defects should be considered. However, we are comparing extreme cases to the norm. Apples to oranges. In functioning societies, there has to be rational limits to acts in order to maintain that society.

I do not believe all abortions should be illegal. But, there has to be a line somewhere.
I just think on the subject you need to mind your own vagina or mind your own business. Why do you want to draw the line when you're not the one being responsible for anything?

Abortions shouldn't be used as a contraceptive, but sex shouldn't be used for fun either. Are you telling me that you only fuck when you're trying to procreate?

Hell no.

People shouldn't be getting drunk either. So do you propose putting a limit on every person walking into a bar? I mean, there has to be a line somewhere, right?

I mean, if you're stopping people from getting drunk you're saving a life right? No DUIs no drunk driving? No. You mind your own business and worry about your own system.
 
If she's Not mature enough to have an abortion what makes them think she is mature enough to raise a child. She's going to end up leaving that baby on a park bench or in the river..smh
its not really about her or the abortion. It’s about sowing chaos.

The same state that doesn’t want to invest in public schools have decided they want to be the arbitrator of the children who would eventually go to public schools.
 
As a citizen of this society, why do I have to be silent?

The same way I would not be silent about someone killing an adult for convenience is the same way I'm not silent about killing a child for convenience.

As I stated several times. I'm against using abortion as a contraceptive. Aborting children with serious birth defects should be considered. However, we are comparing extreme cases to the norm. Apples to oranges. In functioning societies, there has to be rational limits to acts in order to maintain that society.

I do not believe all abortions should be illegal. But, there has to be a line somewhere.
that's just the thing... keep what you believe to your self.

that's the problem with trumpsters and the GOP.

....always trying to force their beliefs on someone else.

what a woman does with her body is none of your business
 
that's just the thing... keep what you believe to your self.

that's the problem with trumpsters and the GOP.

....always trying to force their beliefs on someone else.


what a woman does with her body is none of your business

To be fair, the part I highlighted is a human issue. When you start breaking down the specifics, then group-think start coming more into play. But I see where you are coming from though.
 
Yes. Absolutely mature enough to raise a functional and successful adult. In the US, we have a tendency to inhibit the growth and maturity of our children. It used to be common for an 18 year old to be ready to go out into the world on his or her own. Now?? Some of yall got 30 year olds living with you or you yourself are the 30 something year old living at home still trying to "figure it out." No shade.

I'm not saying that it will be easy for the young lady. However, I can not subscribe to the idea of killing a baby simply because raising that baby will be difficult. Raising any child is difficult.

Most of our great-grandparents and grandparents had children at or before 16. Arguably, those children turned out better than children being born later in today's society.
I see a lot of you dudes on here are white. You spit out conservative talking points without give the view from the other side. You talk about the old people and how they rear children as children. Well, those 16 year old girls had grown men they married. If they were both 16, then they had help from their parents. Shit ain't like that now. Plus, that age could of had it wrong by sending their sons and daughters out into a world that didn't give a fuck. You learn better, you do better. So, now you have been schooled, stop with those faulty talking points and truly think about what is good for people rather than just talking shit.
 
If she's Not mature enough to have an abortion what makes them think she is mature enough to raise a child. She's going to end up leaving that baby on a park bench or in the river..smh

They want girls like her to produce children who will grow up dysfunctional and head straight into the criminal Justice system.

They have made humans a commodity.
 
I’m curious on some of y’all’s opinion.

Do you believe, as a whole, that black folks are a conservative group?

I can tell you, being from the rural south with a strong religious influence that most of the black folks I know are very conservative when it comes to abortion, LGBTQ rights, and gun control.

I know you city folks see the world with a broader perspective.

Thoughts?


Personally, I fall in between in how I align my viewpoints. Im moderate for the most part.
 
I’m curious on some of y’all’s opinion.

Do you believe, as a whole, that black folks are a conservative group?

I can tell you, being from the rural south with a strong religious influence that most of the black folks I know are very conservative when it comes to abortion, LGBTQ rights, and gun control.

I know you city folks see the world with a broader perspective.

Thoughts?


Personally, I fall in between in how I align my viewpoints. Im moderate for the most part.
Which black people? I wouldn’t expect conservatives to have any flexibility in their view of the world. They’re petrified of change. How are you going to ask people hamstrung mentally to flex their minds?

If this was the wild, most of those blacks people would’ve been snatched up by a larger prey. But since they’re in a rather large zoo they’re allowed to function as best as someone in a zoo can.
 
With all due respect, you are attempting to suggest an extreme act to justify another extreme act. Additionally, there is no data that supports the idea that young girls are more likely to leave children on park benches.

Do I think the logic used by the courts is flawed? Somewhat. I think what they were trying to imply is that having an abortion is a huge undertaking that tends to always have adverse effects on the would be mothers.

Truthfully, a physician assisted abortion is unnatural. While conversely and as counterintuitive as it may seem in today's society, having the child is natural. The young lady engaged in an act that whose primary purpose is reproduction. She knew the consequences. As far as we know, she is not a victim of rape or incest.

I'm saying I believe what happens sometimes when these girls are forced by their parents to have these babies that they don't want. this girl is 16 and has clearly said she doesn't want this baby do you/they think when she is forced to have it she is going to change her mind or is she going to resent the baby, added to it they said she doesn't have a family to support her so that baby doesn't stand a chance
 
I’m curious on some of y’all’s opinion.

Do you believe, as a whole, that black folks are a conservative group?

I can tell you, being from the rural south with a strong religious influence that most of the black folks I know are very conservative when it comes to abortion, LGBTQ rights, and gun control.

I know you city folks see the world with a broader perspective.

Thoughts?


Personally, I fall in between in how I align my viewpoints. Im moderate for the most part.
Two additional factors to consider King, is age and specific locations regarding demographics.
I am from the Heights in NY though I have moved south, but many of my views might be viewed as being somewhat conservative ie. abortion rights and LGBT+ issues. Not to derail, but I’m guessing that being born in the era that you were and being in the educational field, your interpretation of “bullying” doesn’t align with what they define it as nowadays. I’m sure many things would fall under seemingly surprising points of view if asked directly.
 
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