It's two years old....
How US schools punish Black kids
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Mayne... that shit is heart breaking as hell but that's the reality of the world we live in.... and it's for that reason that despite the doubts and setbacks I do hope that Dr. Umar Johnson and others like him with a vision in focusing on helping young black students learn and progress in an environment suited for them will greatly succeed.
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In a one hour class with 25-30 kids, teachers spend about 30-60 seconds touching on each kids work and individual student interactions. If white Sally is getting instruction and teacher turns around and tells black William to sit still or be quiet, that might be the bulk of his class interaction for that day… And he was at the same noise level as the rest of the class.
Same work handed in by the two students, the teacher is looking for mistakes in his work more critically, so a lower score by 5-10 point on average for exact same work. Mosty due to negative assumptions about his ignorance.
Sally gets instruction when she doesn’t understand and is prepared for an upcoming test. William gets a low score on the test and is instructed afterwards. Same understanding, but his grades are lower because his instruction is corrective while hers are preemptive. One day difference…
Same work handed in by the two students, the teacher is looking for mistakes in his work more critically, so a lower score by 5-10 point on average for exact same work. Mosty due to negative assumptions about his ignorance.
Sally gets instruction when she doesn’t understand and is prepared for an upcoming test. William gets a low score on the test and is instructed afterwards. Same understanding, but his grades are lower because his instruction is corrective while hers are preemptive. One day difference…
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This issue is so deep
What you niggas don’t understand is this...these fucking kids are like wild untrained animals. You have to see the nightmare they pose in class. The teachers can’t do anything... they can’t hit the kids, discipline them, nothing. These savages sometimes attack teachers and other students.
The reason they are misbehaved is because of their single mothers. 9999/10000 those savage kids are raised by a single mother who is a failure at motherhood just as she’s a failure at just about everything else. In most of these cases, it doesn’t matter that the cop handcuffs these kids...it’s just prep for what they will be experiencing as an adult.
I hate with a passion those wild savage kids who don’t listen and throw tantrums and behave like wild dogs. I’m sorry but I have zero empathy for these kids....and yes, I know, it’s not their fault, blah blah blah..... BUT, the pit bull who was raised to be a fighting dog is also a a savAge and it’s not his fault and I guess it deserves love....but if it attacks me, I’m not showing love, I’m putting a 45 round in his ass
The reason they are misbehaved is because of their single mothers. 9999/10000 those savage kids are raised by a single mother who is a failure at motherhood just as she’s a failure at just about everything else. In most of these cases, it doesn’t matter that the cop handcuffs these kids...it’s just prep for what they will be experiencing as an adult.
I hate with a passion those wild savage kids who don’t listen and throw tantrums and behave like wild dogs. I’m sorry but I have zero empathy for these kids....and yes, I know, it’s not their fault, blah blah blah..... BUT, the pit bull who was raised to be a fighting dog is also a a savAge and it’s not his fault and I guess it deserves love....but if it attacks me, I’m not showing love, I’m putting a 45 round in his ass
Regardless of all what you've mentioned there is absolutely no need to put handcuffs on a 6 year kid who had calmed down and posing no threat at the time to anyone.... no reason whatsoever to terrify and mentally abuse a young child in that manner.... I'm yet to see a white kid being treated like that.
I often wonder when I see folk go on tangents about our youth being raised by single mothers where they either raised by a single mother themselves or are they allowing their seeds to be raised by a single mother now...Kids or kids not salvages hell when I've volunteered at my kids school ive discovered it's just as many white youths that are horrible in class as blacks...it's that ours start out with a strike two if their male. I wonder how many of these finger pointers consider themselves or the kids they aint got in the home with them to be Salvages.
I often wonder when I see folk go on tangents about our youth being raised by single mothers where they either raised by a single mother themselves or are they allowing their seeds to be raised by a single mother now...Kids or kids not salvages hell when I've volunteered at my kids school ive discovered it's just as many white youths that are horrible in class as blacks...it's that ours start out with a strike two if their male. I wonder how many of these finger pointers consider themselves or the kids they aint got in the home with them to be Salvages.
With you til the highlighted part. When are the loose dick negros gonna be held accountable for busting in women they can so easily abandon along with the child?
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Yea, we gon need that hand verification potna! Proceed to that thread
@alexw
Come get this nigga together!
The main crime these indoctrination centers did
to my people, was support paper genocide, told us
we are not from here, we are this fictional thing called
black/negro/colored/indian/african american
We ARE the FIRST AMERICANS..!
Not a chinese hybrid!!
THE FIRST ABORIGINAL EUMELANTED AMERICANS
WE ARE ORGANIC TO THIS LAND THEY CANT KILL US OFF...
MURDER ONE OF US, THERE WILL BE A SISTER SOMEWHERE
HAVING TWINS!!!
Mayne when we realize who we are COLLECTIVELY..
SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEETT.. its a wrap for the
god wannabeez!!
to my people, was support paper genocide, told us
we are not from here, we are this fictional thing called
black/negro/colored/indian/african american
We ARE the FIRST AMERICANS..!
Not a chinese hybrid!!
THE FIRST ABORIGINAL EUMELANTED AMERICANS
WE ARE ORGANIC TO THIS LAND THEY CANT KILL US OFF...
MURDER ONE OF US, THERE WILL BE A SISTER SOMEWHERE
HAVING TWINS!!!
Mayne when we realize who we are COLLECTIVELY..
SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEETT.. its a wrap for the
god wannabeez!!
That's slightly scratching the surface, fam. Women control the access to sex. It's the women choosing to let these niggas bust in em, and then deciding to carry the child to term. These broads aren't innocents in this. They know what the hell they are choosing and what they are doing.
But they feel that getting pregnant and having a child for a dude will make him "fall in line" "act right" or "stay".
When we know as men that nothing will cause a person to stay if they don't want to.
Soooooo if a woman says you can bust in her and you do, plus get her pregnant and catch an STD, the problem is these hoes be lyin??? Why didn’t she tell me she had an STD??? Or…,
Dick discipline.
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_57ea8bb3e4b024a52d2aa517
Yes, Preschool Teachers Really Do Treat Black And White Children Totally Differently
“Implicit biases do not begin with black men and police, they begin with young black boys and their preschool teachers, if not earlier.”
09/27/2016 07:30 pm ET | Updated 1 day ago
Rebecca Klein
Education Editor, The Huffington Post
When Tunette Powell’s 4-year-old son first got suspended from his preschool class in 2014, she assumed that she needed to be doing something different as a parent. She had already worked hard to enrich her children’s lives, but she challenged herself to be better.
The second time her son JJ got suspended, Powell began to think that maybe it was “just the fate” of her child. When Powell was in school, she had been suspended many times from a young age, and she began to think, “Maybe the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.”
Her thinking only turned around after she attended a birthday party for one of her son’s preschool classmates. Powell and her children are black, but most of the other parents at the party were white. When she mentioned to the group that her son had been suspended for behaviors like allegedly throwing a chair, they were shocked. Their kids had committed worse behaviors, but were only punished with a phone call home.
Her younger son, 3-year-old Joah, also faced a number of suspensions at school. Powell began to consider that maybe something more insidious was working against her children.
Tunette Powell’s sons, Joah and JJ.
New research released Tuesday backs up Powell’s suspicions. A two-part study out of the Yale Child Study Center shows that preschool teachers respond to their black and white students differently. Implicit biases ― or unconscious stereotypes ― might be at the root of these differences, researchers found.
The research is the first-of-its-kind at the preschool level, said study author and Yale professor Walter Gilliam. Black children are 3.6 times more likely to receive a suspension in preschool than their white classmates, according to 2013-2014 data from the Department of Education. But, “until now, no research existed to explain why boys or black preschoolers are at greatest risk for expulsion,” Gilliam said on a call with reporters.
The first half of the study used eye-tracking equipment to determine where teachers look when they are expecting student misconduct.
Researchers had 132 educators watch videos featuring a diverse group of students and primed them to expect student misbehavior. Although no misbehavior actually occurred in the videos, teachers tended to focus their eyes on black students. This suggests that educators expected black students to act out more than other students.
In the second half of the study, the educators read vignettes about a child’s misbehavior. All of the educators read the same vignette, but the students’ names were different. Some teachers were told the child had a traditionally black name, like LaToya, while others were told the child had a stereotypically white name, like Emily. After reading the vignette, researchers asked teachers to rate the severity of the child’s misconduct.
White teachers tended to rate the behavior of the “black” children more mildly than black teachers, who tended to rate the misbehavior of black children more harshly. However, when teachers were told that the child faced a difficult home life, black educators tended to view black children with more empathy, while white educators viewed them as more hopeless. On the other hand, when the same scenario occurred for the “white” students, white teachers tended to view the children with more empathy, while black educators viewed them as more hopeless.
There are a few possible explanations for these behaviors, researchers hypothesize. White teachers might have lower expectations for black students, so they might not see a black child’s misbehavior as particularly unusual or severe. On the other hand, white educators might be self-conscious about giving negative reviews to black children, although this would not explain why they seemed to expect misbehavior in the first half of the study. Black educators might be trying to prepare their black students for a harsh world, researchers speculate.
The researchers did not find a relationship between child race or sex and a teacher’s decision to expel or suspend, “contrary to hypotheses,” says the study.
According to Gilliam, a teacher’s implicit biases can have a big impact on a child’s future.
“Implicit bias is like the wind, you can’t see it but you can sure see its effects,” Gilliam said. “Implicit biases do not begin with black men and police, they begin with young black boys and their preschool teachers, if not earlier.”
Implicit bias is like the wind, you can’t see it but you can sure see its effects.
In the study’s conclusion, researchers suggest that preschool teachers get continual training and guidance on this topic. On a call with reporters, early childhood expert and government official Linda Smith said the study’s conclusions are “far too important for us to ignore.”
“The early childhood field has its roots in social justice. We’ve been fighting for a number of years for resources for our most vulnerable children and their families,” said Smith, who is the deputy assistant secretary for early childhood development at the Administration for Children and Families. “The findings presented today present us with a real challenge that all of us know is not new, but one we haven’t really been addressing with the same rigor as some of these other challenges.”
After seeing how implicit biases were playing out in her sons’ lives, Powell began to dedicate her life to fighting them. In total, Powell’s older son, JJ, was suspended three times from preschool, while her younger son, Joah, was suspended eight times.
However, once JJ entered kindergarten, his apparent behavioral problems disappeared. And when her son Joah got different preschool teachers, he seemed to thrive. The children are now 7- and 5-years-old, and are flourishing in school, said Powell, who recently moved to Los Angeles so she could pursue her doctorate in urban schooling.
Still, every time she looks back on her children’s suspensions, it breaks her heart.
“It’s still very fresh. It’s something that I think about more than I would like to, even when I try to block it,” Powell said. “To tell a child he’s a danger at 3 years old, that is unacceptable. If he remembers even the slightest bit of that, what kind of psychological effect might that even have on him?”
Yes, Preschool Teachers Really Do Treat Black And White Children Totally Differently
“Implicit biases do not begin with black men and police, they begin with young black boys and their preschool teachers, if not earlier.”
09/27/2016 07:30 pm ET | Updated 1 day ago
Rebecca Klein
Education Editor, The Huffington Post
When Tunette Powell’s 4-year-old son first got suspended from his preschool class in 2014, she assumed that she needed to be doing something different as a parent. She had already worked hard to enrich her children’s lives, but she challenged herself to be better.
The second time her son JJ got suspended, Powell began to think that maybe it was “just the fate” of her child. When Powell was in school, she had been suspended many times from a young age, and she began to think, “Maybe the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.”
Her thinking only turned around after she attended a birthday party for one of her son’s preschool classmates. Powell and her children are black, but most of the other parents at the party were white. When she mentioned to the group that her son had been suspended for behaviors like allegedly throwing a chair, they were shocked. Their kids had committed worse behaviors, but were only punished with a phone call home.
Her younger son, 3-year-old Joah, also faced a number of suspensions at school. Powell began to consider that maybe something more insidious was working against her children.
Tunette Powell’s sons, Joah and JJ.
New research released Tuesday backs up Powell’s suspicions. A two-part study out of the Yale Child Study Center shows that preschool teachers respond to their black and white students differently. Implicit biases ― or unconscious stereotypes ― might be at the root of these differences, researchers found.
The research is the first-of-its-kind at the preschool level, said study author and Yale professor Walter Gilliam. Black children are 3.6 times more likely to receive a suspension in preschool than their white classmates, according to 2013-2014 data from the Department of Education. But, “until now, no research existed to explain why boys or black preschoolers are at greatest risk for expulsion,” Gilliam said on a call with reporters.
The first half of the study used eye-tracking equipment to determine where teachers look when they are expecting student misconduct.
Researchers had 132 educators watch videos featuring a diverse group of students and primed them to expect student misbehavior. Although no misbehavior actually occurred in the videos, teachers tended to focus their eyes on black students. This suggests that educators expected black students to act out more than other students.
In the second half of the study, the educators read vignettes about a child’s misbehavior. All of the educators read the same vignette, but the students’ names were different. Some teachers were told the child had a traditionally black name, like LaToya, while others were told the child had a stereotypically white name, like Emily. After reading the vignette, researchers asked teachers to rate the severity of the child’s misconduct.
White teachers tended to rate the behavior of the “black” children more mildly than black teachers, who tended to rate the misbehavior of black children more harshly. However, when teachers were told that the child faced a difficult home life, black educators tended to view black children with more empathy, while white educators viewed them as more hopeless. On the other hand, when the same scenario occurred for the “white” students, white teachers tended to view the children with more empathy, while black educators viewed them as more hopeless.
There are a few possible explanations for these behaviors, researchers hypothesize. White teachers might have lower expectations for black students, so they might not see a black child’s misbehavior as particularly unusual or severe. On the other hand, white educators might be self-conscious about giving negative reviews to black children, although this would not explain why they seemed to expect misbehavior in the first half of the study. Black educators might be trying to prepare their black students for a harsh world, researchers speculate.
The researchers did not find a relationship between child race or sex and a teacher’s decision to expel or suspend, “contrary to hypotheses,” says the study.
According to Gilliam, a teacher’s implicit biases can have a big impact on a child’s future.
“Implicit bias is like the wind, you can’t see it but you can sure see its effects,” Gilliam said. “Implicit biases do not begin with black men and police, they begin with young black boys and their preschool teachers, if not earlier.”
Implicit bias is like the wind, you can’t see it but you can sure see its effects.
In the study’s conclusion, researchers suggest that preschool teachers get continual training and guidance on this topic. On a call with reporters, early childhood expert and government official Linda Smith said the study’s conclusions are “far too important for us to ignore.”
“The early childhood field has its roots in social justice. We’ve been fighting for a number of years for resources for our most vulnerable children and their families,” said Smith, who is the deputy assistant secretary for early childhood development at the Administration for Children and Families. “The findings presented today present us with a real challenge that all of us know is not new, but one we haven’t really been addressing with the same rigor as some of these other challenges.”
After seeing how implicit biases were playing out in her sons’ lives, Powell began to dedicate her life to fighting them. In total, Powell’s older son, JJ, was suspended three times from preschool, while her younger son, Joah, was suspended eight times.
However, once JJ entered kindergarten, his apparent behavioral problems disappeared. And when her son Joah got different preschool teachers, he seemed to thrive. The children are now 7- and 5-years-old, and are flourishing in school, said Powell, who recently moved to Los Angeles so she could pursue her doctorate in urban schooling.
Still, every time she looks back on her children’s suspensions, it breaks her heart.
“It’s still very fresh. It’s something that I think about more than I would like to, even when I try to block it,” Powell said. “To tell a child he’s a danger at 3 years old, that is unacceptable. If he remembers even the slightest bit of that, what kind of psychological effect might that even have on him?”
School to prison pipeline
I've said many times that black children,especially black boys doesn't stand a chance when it comes to the school system in this country. Our children get suspended for every little thing.
Me and @gene cisco always mentioned how they have metal detectors for predominantly black schools while most white schools don't have them even though most of the school shooters are white.
They keep your outrage focused on this...
because they have no answers for this:
because they have no answers for this:
From a 2019 discussion...
@VAiz4hustlaz I can't find the one story I wanted. I had posted it in the past somewhere tho. Basically regarding teacher bias, black kids were seen as needing to be controlled, and white kids given guidance. Everything a black child does is viewed more negatively. A white child excited about a lesson and speaking or blurting out questions without being called upon or raising their hands were seen as curious and encouraged. Black kids were seen as disruptive and reprimanded to follow rules or punished. It said it led to black kids being withdrawn or uninterested in learning and resentful over differences in treatment, because they can see when things aren't fair, even if they don't understand there is a racial component to it or simply feel they are disliked. IME, kids can also pick up on hostility or not being liked/disapproval, even if it's not voiced, and that can cause them to be withdrawn and not participate. Black kids can basically fall behind because they are being pushed out of the learning process, and not getting the educational foundation that gives one a strong start in life.
Here are two more tho:
Teachers' implicit bias against black students starts in preschool, study finds
Findings reveal subconscious racial bias of teachers, who directed attention more closely to black boys when ‘challenging behavior’ is expectedwww.theguardian.com
White Kids Get Medicated When They Misbehave, Black Kids Get Suspended — or Arrested
<span>Troublemakers can get help or get punished — it all depends on what school they go to.</span>www.thecut.com
See also:
Opinion | The Real Reason Black Kids Benefit From Black Teachers (Published 2017)
Outside the classroom, we inhabit the same world.www.nytimes.com
New Research Confirms It: Black Students Do Better When Taught by Black Teachers
It has been a matter of debate in education circles whether Black students do better in school when they have Black teachers. While some researchers haveatlantablackstar.com
That’s Tina
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Not all black kids have behavior issues, nor do they all come from single parent homes. There is a problem, I also feel the frustration, but your adjectives are "interesting".
Soooooo if a woman says you can bust in her and you do, plus get her pregnant and catch an STD, the problem is these hoes be lyin??? Why didn’t she tell me she had an STD??? Or…,
Dick discipline.
This is gibberish.
fuck your opinion CAC
First of all, you fucked up by adding specifics. It's all about the quantifiers. If you add specifics then you've done some kind of research right?
Wow I will agree that many of the kids are raised by single mothers, particularly the black ones because that's far more common in our community, can't say most unless you've done research.
"9999/10000 of those savage kids are raised by a single mother who is a failure at motherhood just as she’s a failure at just about everything else."
Vs
MANY of those kids are raised by single mothers who is the failure at motherhood as she is a failure at just about everything else
BUT
The reason I refuse to date single mothers is because of your same presumptions. I've seen more single mothers fail with bad kids with no respect for anyone and I don't want to take a chance at it, find the rare unicorn single mother with well behaved kids
I tell women that single motherhood is one of the worst things you can get into, because you have no help.
Kid gets sick, you have to take off work. If the kid is bad in school oh, you have to take off work. Take off work too much and your job says miss one more day and you're fired
What do you do?
Crazy shit is, people act like single motherhood isn't preventable. There are condoms, IUDs and other ways to prevent pregnancies, but so many women everywhere, particularly in the black community, become mothers before they should, before they've gained the education to be able to sustain motherhood in case the possibility arises that she could become a single mother
Single mothers with college degrees stand a better chance. It's not absolute by any means, but if a single mother has a college degree she is less likely to be working anywhere near minimum wage
This is a multi-layered onion that needs to be unpacked. Black kids are treated worse. Black kids need to have communication with their parents and parents need to have communications with their black kids about the teachers, about the treatment, about the bullying, about who the teacher pics on.
I have a friend of mine who will stop by his kids school randomly and stand outside the classroom to watch the teacher and the students and his child.
Then he'll pop in surprising both the teacher, the children, and his child.
The teachers are on alert because they never know when he's coming. Same for his kids. A multiple times he's caught the teachers and his kids doing things they shouldn't have and he pulled them both aside and explain to them this ain't how you do it.
Thanks. I can't keep up with all the screen names & changes
Anytime you see a long ass anti Black rant full of stereotypes and bullshit you know it’s that broke miserable coon. Then he will end up attacking the entire board. Last step is to create another stupid ass screen name.
Special education,prison=feeding both subpar cac for many generations
But here's the things once they lable a child as being disabled,their able to get ssi depending on the parents income,most of em don't make over 40grand so they qualify and now that parent is happy cause they have extra money coming in the house hold;She has five kids three of them are labled disabled mentally and are in special education the parent isn't going to fight that cause that's $1800.00 of extra income coming in the house but she doesn't realize that she's throwing her babies away to the system and if the prison doesn't get them,they'll more likely be on ssi,receiving government benefits and repeating what was done to them most likely.
It's the quickest game of chess ,nothing changes but the players a child(novice) and a Adult (expert) doing the same moves,over and over again,decade after decade.
It's not to bash black single mothers at all....special education is selling your child to slavery.
But here's the things once they lable a child as being disabled,their able to get ssi depending on the parents income,most of em don't make over 40grand so they qualify and now that parent is happy cause they have extra money coming in the house hold;She has five kids three of them are labled disabled mentally and are in special education the parent isn't going to fight that cause that's $1800.00 of extra income coming in the house but she doesn't realize that she's throwing her babies away to the system and if the prison doesn't get them,they'll more likely be on ssi,receiving government benefits and repeating what was done to them most likely.
It's the quickest game of chess ,nothing changes but the players a child(novice) and a Adult (expert) doing the same moves,over and over again,decade after decade.
It's not to bash black single mothers at all....special education is selling your child to slavery.