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Michael Harriott from The Root with an amazing thread about Andrew Johnson, Lincoln, the KKK and impeachment
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@VAiz4hustlaz I can't find the one story I wanted. I had posted it in the past somewhere tho. Basically regarding teacher bias, black kids were seen as needing to be controlled, and white kids given guidance. Everything a black child does is viewed more negatively. A white child excited about a lesson and speaking or blurting out questions without being called upon or raising their hands were seen as curious and encouraged. Black kids were seen as disruptive and reprimanded to follow rules or punished. It said it led to black kids being withdrawn or uninterested in learning and resentful over differences in treatment, because they can see when things aren't fair, even if they don't understand there is a racial component to it or simply feel they are disliked. IME, kids can also pick up on hostility or not being liked/disapproval, even if it's not voiced, and that can cause them to be withdrawn and not participate. Black kids can basically fall behind because they are being pushed out of the learning process, and not getting the educational foundation that gives one a strong start in life.
Here are two more tho:
www.theguardian.com
www.thecut.com
See also:
www.nytimes.com
atlantablackstar.com
Here are two more tho:
Teachers' implicit bias against black students starts in preschool, study finds
Findings reveal subconscious racial bias of teachers, who directed attention more closely to black boys when ‘challenging behavior’ is expected
White Kids Get Medicated When They Misbehave, Black Kids Get Suspended — or Arrested
<span>Troublemakers can get help or get punished — it all depends on what school they go to.</span>
www.thecut.com
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Opinion | The Real Reason Black Kids Benefit From Black Teachers (Published 2017)
Outside the classroom, we inhabit the same world.
New Research Confirms It: Black Students Do Better When Taught by Black Teachers
It has been a matter of debate in education circles whether Black students do better in school when they have Black teachers. While some researchers have
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Then I'm going to ask you the question I like to ask any immigrant who touts their "cultural" superiority. Why is their home country struggling? If West Indians have a superior cultural orientation towards education, why haven't they produced a Singapore? If West Africans have a superior cultural orientation, then why aren't any of the nations on the level of say, South Korea?
The reality is that these immigrants are coming from the educated middle classes in their home countries, and are producing a "brain drain" as well, which is another discussion.
And here's a little more food for thought for your immigrant theories:
“U.S. black descendants and black Caribbean descendants, primarily Haitians, Jamaicans, Trinidadians and Tobagonians, and blacks with Latin or Hispanic heritage, are more economically similar than Latins of various ancestral origin who self-identify as white as opposed to black,” the authors write.
For Hamilton, the data show that the experience of being black in Miami is a uniquely difficult one, even accounting for different ethnic or ancestral origins.
“In terms of identification, overwhelmingly, Latin Census respondents self-classify as either racially white or ‘other,’ while a small fraction chose a racially black identity,” the authors write. “Self-reported white Latin individuals attain higher economic outcomes, despite having only slightly higher educational attainment than their racially self-reported black counterparts.”
Indeed, education appeared to do little to close the wealth gap among Miami households of different ethnicities.
Yes, assuming they have access to a quality education that is exempt from bias. Camille just posted a bunch of articles on this specific issue. Or just go study some Jonathan Kozol.
For someone who is touting education, you are willfully ignoring every single academic source being cited in this discussion.
No offense, but this is the dumbest thing you've have said so far. Do you want to retract it before I eviscerate it?
I said West African history, not cultures. And when you control for culture and education, you still see these vast disparities. That's the point of this discussion.
Depends on who you ask.
He would say yes:
He would say no:
you care what the second guy thought.. wasnt he a saudi??
That's a good question. You asked about the culture of the immigrants. I'm not saying they're COMING from a superior culture. They're RUNNING from somewhere much worse , so they have a culture of APPRECIATION. Also, the home.country is losing a valuable brain , because of a terrible leader. At home for them, is like being home here for us, EXCEPT, They also have the disadvantage of an even worse infrastructure, government , etc. And on top of all that, they now BENEFIT, from the work OUR ancestors built with our FORMER culture.
Notice how everyone now keeps talking about Black wallstreets , and the morals and principles we had in the past. During the ACTUAL institutional racism of Jim Crow, these people built banks and schools that still exist , life insurance companies, and were closing the wealth gap. The Black family was stronger right after slavery than now, and all those indicator gaps you speak of were closing. This is also why poor white people were so mad, they attacked many times. But Black wall street in Tulsa was rebuilt , just as many were. Those immigrants came.to an America where they could go to HBCUS (Nigeria and ghanas.first presidents went to Lincoln) , they could participate even nominally in the American economy, which, coming from where they were coming from, was huge. They could oh do this because of US.
Black wall streets didn't truly die, until integration and I'm.not saying this to shit on integration, just how it was implemented in many cases. Then there was "Urban renewal" which knocked down properties, put in govt housing, which discouraged the ownership you speak of. The "war on poverty" programs encouraged women to marry the govt , instead of men, and the family is destroyed. Our culture , which begin to disproportionately depend on government to solve our issues, got weaker. That's not to say govt can't do shit, but after getting rid of the mandatory guvt sponsored racism , we're FREE to do anything. Freedom includes dealing with our own issues. Newer immigrants also know what it's like to have overbearing governments , military dictatorships, and are fine with dealing with what we have here.
And as far as them coming from money, that used to be much truer than these days. And I'm speaking of current times., But even back then that was overplayed. Their version of model class, and rich where they are , ain't shit to here. Many times, you may have an immigrant who is plucked from their village because they are THE ONE, but the village don't even have electricity. They have to come here all alone, and endure the ostracism that comes from being that far from home. They also know that the entire family depends on them. Namdi Azikiwe (Nigerian first president) attempted suicide several times. And even during the 60s, he tried to ship himself onna boat over here. So much for being rich back home. So much for evil racist America. He came here, learned pan Africanism from us, went back--- and became a somewhat corrupt leader lol.
Anyways no I'm not ignoring your data, it's just that, despite the best attempts , there are just too many examples of success for any of that to make sense, and in each example of that success, you will find the difference in behavior and decisions. Racism is really just not that strong. This is why I NOW (most of this is recent) disagree with most govt sponsored solutions. Black peoples current issues cannot be solved by govt.
I must disagree with his opening sentence, "white supremacy is not lingering. Today its rock solid!" I say this for one reason, when you look at the entire republican party it seems to be bought and sold. Moscow Mitch and the crew don't have any voters interest at heart. For them its party first. Fuck the voters .
For the entire party to ignore all the transgressions and facts presented, the president has been found involved in says to me, democracy in the US is already dead. The republicans in general need to be voted out of power. Republicans actions and rhetoric are clear cut indicators the Constitution means nothing to them. They want nothing to interfere with their agenda. But that's up to the voters. Voters who seem to think the republicans have their best interest in their decision making have been fooled.
When President Obama left office he mentioned that our democracy was being attacked. He pretty much again repeated the same message last summer. No one seemed to care, so here we are.
For the entire party to ignore all the transgressions and facts presented, the president has been found involved in says to me, democracy in the US is already dead. The republicans in general need to be voted out of power. Republicans actions and rhetoric are clear cut indicators the Constitution means nothing to them. They want nothing to interfere with their agenda. But that's up to the voters. Voters who seem to think the republicans have their best interest in their decision making have been fooled.
When President Obama left office he mentioned that our democracy was being attacked. He pretty much again repeated the same message last summer. No one seemed to care, so here we are.
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