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Top Russian military leaders repeatedly decline calls from U.S., prompting fears of ‘sleepwalking into war’

BY JOHN HUDSON • THE WASHINGTON POST •
MARCH 24, 2022


Repeated attempts by the United States’ top defense and military leaders to speak with their Russian counterparts have been rejected by Moscow for the last month, leaving the world’s two largest nuclear powers in the dark about explanations for military movements and raising fears of a major miscalculation or battlefield accident.

Since Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin and Gen. Mark Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, have tried to set up phone calls with Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu and Gen. Valery Gerasimov but the Russians “have so far declined to engage,” said Pentagon spokesman John Kirby in a statement Wednesday.

The attempted calls by Austin and Milley, which have not previously been reported, come as Russia conducts operations near the borders of NATO members Poland and Romania while the United States and its European allies conduct air-policing operations over the Baltic Sea and pour weapons and equipment into Ukraine by ground transport.

Moscow and Washington maintain a deconfliction channel but current and former officials say contact from higher-ranking military leaders is needed to avoid unnecessary escalation or confusion.

“There is a high risk of escalation without the firebreak of direct contact between the most senior officials,” said James Stavridis, who served as the Supreme Allied Commander at NATO from 2009 to 2013. “Very young people are flying in jets, operating warships, and conducting combat operations in the Ukrainian war. They are not seasoned diplomats, and their actions in the heat of operations can be misunderstood.”

“We must avoid a scenario of NATO and Russia sleepwalking into war because senior leaders can’t pick up a phone and explain to each other what is happening,” he added.

Russia’s recent use of hypersonic missiles and other sophisticated weaponry against targets in western Ukraine have underscored the threat of spillover into a broader confrontation.

“The risks are obviously elevated currently,” said Rob Lee, a senior fellow at the Foreign Policy Research Institute. “Russia is striking targets in western Ukraine, which are not far from the border with NATO members, and the Ukrainian Air Force apparently continues to operate from that region, which means there is a risk that its aircraft could be mistaken for NATO aircraft across the border.”

U.S. defense officials have described the deconfliction phone line as a tactical mechanism to avoid miscalculations, especially when it comes to protecting NATO airspace or territory, but its functionality can be limited.

“It’s not set up to be a complaint line where you can just call in and just grouse about stuff,” said a U.S. defense official this week when asked about whether anything had been communicated through the channel. The official spoke on the condition of anonymity under ground rules set by the Pentagon.

Sam Charap, a senior political scientist at Rand Corporation, said calls by Austin and Milley serve a “fundamentally different purpose” from the deconfliction channel.

“One is about tactical accident avoidance. The other about strategic engagement,” he said. “It’s always important to maintain the strategic level to communicate our interests clearly and better understand theirs. When there’s no communication at that level, their worst-case assumptions, often based on poor information, are more likely to drive their behavior.”

As Russia’s battlefield setbacks become more pronounced and the conflict nears its second month, U.S. officials are concerned that Russian President Vladimir Putin may escalate militarily in the hopes of changing the trajectory of the war. As more dangerous weaponry and tactics are deployed, the risks of a wider conflict grow.

“A nightmare scenario would be a Russian missile or attack aircraft that destroys a U.S. command post across the Polish-Ukrainian border,” said Stavridis, a retired admiral. “A local commander might respond immediately, thinking the event was a precursor to a wider attack. This could lead to rapid and irreversible escalation, to include potential use of nuclear weapons.”

Stavridis said when he was Supreme Allied Commander, he could dial his Russian counterpart anytime “and did on several occasions to clarify a situation and de-escalate.”

The Pentagon holds the view that engagement between the U.S. and Russian defense leaders is “critically importance at this time,” Kirby said. Besides the deconfliction channel, the United States and Russia can also engage through the defense attache at the U.S. Embassy in Moscow or the relaying of messages to the Ministry of Defense.

Communications between the United States and Russia have been much more sparse since the war began last month. The U.S. ambassador to Russia, John J. Sullivan, has met with Russian officials most frequently, with on and off visits and calls in Moscow. President Joe Biden’s national security adviser, Jake Sullivan, spoke to his counterpart, Nikolay Patrushev, last week for the first time since the start of the conflict. Some U.S. and Russian military officials met last week at the Russian Ministry of Defense, CNN first reported.

Secretary of State Antony Blinken has not attempted any conversations with his counterpart, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, since the start of the conflict, according to U.S. officials.

It remains unclear why Russia’s top generals have refused to hold calls with their U.S. counterparts.

“I suspect that the problem lies with the Russian insistence that this is a ‘special military operation’ and unwillingness to admit the real nature of the war,” said Angela Stent, a Russia scholar at Georgetown University who served as a senior intelligence officer in the Bush administration.

The generals may also be waiting on Putin’s approval to make the calls, given the high stakes of the conflict, and he may not be signing off, Charap said.

Another theory is that Putin may now view the United States as a determined adversary bent on his downfall and not worth engaging. Russian officials bristled at Biden calling Putin a “war criminal,” saying it could lead to a complete break in relations.

Biden has sought to avoid a conflict by keeping U.S. troops out of Ukraine and U.S. aircraft out of its airspace.

“You’re talking about avoiding incidents with aircraft or at sea,” said Ben Hodges, a retired Army officer who served as commanding general of the U.S. Army Europe. “I’m sure they would’ve wanted to convey to Gerasimov and Shoigu that Russian pilots should not be launching missiles too close to the Polish border, but they would also want to talk about other places, not just Ukraine, where you have Russian aircraft.”

“I would also imagine they would want to convey - here’s what we’re doing, don’t interpret what we’re doing as a provocative act,” he added.

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This is interesting, I don’t think Putin word holds enough value to make this happen, guess I was wrong with those thoughts
That is Iranian state TV so unless you view OANN as credible, this isn't a "game changing" move. :lol: It is a move out of necessity to delay the inevitable as the sanctions etc. take affect. To give you an idea of how bad things are, the head of the russian Central Bank has tried repeatedly to resign but Putin won't accept the resignation:smh::

Russia Central Banker Wanted Out Over Ukraine, Putin Said No
  • Russian president said to reject Nabiullina’s bid to resign
  • Respected central banker faces legacy at risk as sanctions hit

As for the ruble, This is what Putin said:

"Mr. Putin said that Moscow would continue to supply gas in accordance with existing contracts. Russia’s list of unfriendly countries includes EU members, the U.K., the U.S. and others."

Existing contracts e.g. I don't have the unilateral power to change the currency I want to receive but I have to confidently say some bullshit as the Market reopens tomorrow:

Stock Traders Brace for a Chaotic Reopening to Russia’s Market
:smh: :lol:
 
That is Iranian state TV so unless you view OANN as credible, this isn't a "game changing" move. :lol: It is a move out of necessity to delay the inevitable as the sanctions etc. take affect. To give you an idea of how bad things are, the head of the russian Central Bank has tried repeatedly to resign but Putin won't accept the resignation:smh::

Russia Central Banker Wanted Out Over Ukraine, Putin Said No
  • Russian president said to reject Nabiullina’s bid to resign
  • Respected central banker faces legacy at risk as sanctions hit

As for the ruble, This is what Putin said:

"Mr. Putin said that Moscow would continue to supply gas in accordance with existing contracts. Russia’s list of unfriendly countries includes EU members, the U.K., the U.S. and others."

Existing contracts e.g. I don't have the unilateral power to change the currency I want to receive but I have to confidently say some bullshit as the Market reopens tomorrow:

Stock Traders Brace for a Chaotic Reopening to Russia’s Market
:smh: :lol:
Good post, so Putin like naw you ain’t quitting this shit :lol:
 
Top Russian military leaders repeatedly decline calls from U.S., prompting fears of ‘sleepwalking into war’

BY JOHN HUDSON • THE WASHINGTON POST •
MARCH 24, 2022


Repeated attempts by the United States’ top defense and military leaders to speak with their Russian counterparts have been rejected by Moscow for the last month, leaving the world’s two largest nuclear powers in the dark about explanations for military movements and raising fears of a major miscalculation or battlefield accident.

Since Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin and Gen. Mark Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, have tried to set up phone calls with Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu and Gen. Valery Gerasimov but the Russians “have so far declined to engage,” said Pentagon spokesman John Kirby in a statement Wednesday.

The attempted calls by Austin and Milley, which have not previously been reported, come as Russia conducts operations near the borders of NATO members Poland and Romania while the United States and its European allies conduct air-policing operations over the Baltic Sea and pour weapons and equipment into Ukraine by ground transport.

Moscow and Washington maintain a deconfliction channel but current and former officials say contact from higher-ranking military leaders is needed to avoid unnecessary escalation or confusion.

“There is a high risk of escalation without the firebreak of direct contact between the most senior officials,” said James Stavridis, who served as the Supreme Allied Commander at NATO from 2009 to 2013. “Very young people are flying in jets, operating warships, and conducting combat operations in the Ukrainian war. They are not seasoned diplomats, and their actions in the heat of operations can be misunderstood.”

“We must avoid a scenario of NATO and Russia sleepwalking into war because senior leaders can’t pick up a phone and explain to each other what is happening,” he added.

Russia’s recent use of hypersonic missiles and other sophisticated weaponry against targets in western Ukraine have underscored the threat of spillover into a broader confrontation.

“The risks are obviously elevated currently,” said Rob Lee, a senior fellow at the Foreign Policy Research Institute. “Russia is striking targets in western Ukraine, which are not far from the border with NATO members, and the Ukrainian Air Force apparently continues to operate from that region, which means there is a risk that its aircraft could be mistaken for NATO aircraft across the border.”

U.S. defense officials have described the deconfliction phone line as a tactical mechanism to avoid miscalculations, especially when it comes to protecting NATO airspace or territory, but its functionality can be limited.

“It’s not set up to be a complaint line where you can just call in and just grouse about stuff,” said a U.S. defense official this week when asked about whether anything had been communicated through the channel. The official spoke on the condition of anonymity under ground rules set by the Pentagon.

Sam Charap, a senior political scientist at Rand Corporation, said calls by Austin and Milley serve a “fundamentally different purpose” from the deconfliction channel.

“One is about tactical accident avoidance. The other about strategic engagement,” he said. “It’s always important to maintain the strategic level to communicate our interests clearly and better understand theirs. When there’s no communication at that level, their worst-case assumptions, often based on poor information, are more likely to drive their behavior.”

As Russia’s battlefield setbacks become more pronounced and the conflict nears its second month, U.S. officials are concerned that Russian President Vladimir Putin may escalate militarily in the hopes of changing the trajectory of the war. As more dangerous weaponry and tactics are deployed, the risks of a wider conflict grow.

“A nightmare scenario would be a Russian missile or attack aircraft that destroys a U.S. command post across the Polish-Ukrainian border,” said Stavridis, a retired admiral. “A local commander might respond immediately, thinking the event was a precursor to a wider attack. This could lead to rapid and irreversible escalation, to include potential use of nuclear weapons.”

Stavridis said when he was Supreme Allied Commander, he could dial his Russian counterpart anytime “and did on several occasions to clarify a situation and de-escalate.”

The Pentagon holds the view that engagement between the U.S. and Russian defense leaders is “critically importance at this time,” Kirby said. Besides the deconfliction channel, the United States and Russia can also engage through the defense attache at the U.S. Embassy in Moscow or the relaying of messages to the Ministry of Defense.

Communications between the United States and Russia have been much more sparse since the war began last month. The U.S. ambassador to Russia, John J. Sullivan, has met with Russian officials most frequently, with on and off visits and calls in Moscow. President Joe Biden’s national security adviser, Jake Sullivan, spoke to his counterpart, Nikolay Patrushev, last week for the first time since the start of the conflict. Some U.S. and Russian military officials met last week at the Russian Ministry of Defense, CNN first reported.

Secretary of State Antony Blinken has not attempted any conversations with his counterpart, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, since the start of the conflict, according to U.S. officials.

It remains unclear why Russia’s top generals have refused to hold calls with their U.S. counterparts.

“I suspect that the problem lies with the Russian insistence that this is a ‘special military operation’ and unwillingness to admit the real nature of the war,” said Angela Stent, a Russia scholar at Georgetown University who served as a senior intelligence officer in the Bush administration.

The generals may also be waiting on Putin’s approval to make the calls, given the high stakes of the conflict, and he may not be signing off, Charap said.

Another theory is that Putin may now view the United States as a determined adversary bent on his downfall and not worth engaging. Russian officials bristled at Biden calling Putin a “war criminal,” saying it could lead to a complete break in relations.

Biden has sought to avoid a conflict by keeping U.S. troops out of Ukraine and U.S. aircraft out of its airspace.

“You’re talking about avoiding incidents with aircraft or at sea,” said Ben Hodges, a retired Army officer who served as commanding general of the U.S. Army Europe. “I’m sure they would’ve wanted to convey to Gerasimov and Shoigu that Russian pilots should not be launching missiles too close to the Polish border, but they would also want to talk about other places, not just Ukraine, where you have Russian aircraft.”

“I would also imagine they would want to convey - here’s what we’re doing, don’t interpret what we’re doing as a provocative act,” he added.

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Oh sheeeeit...

This has averted at least one nuclear exchange, that I've read about, and has proven effective for years. Now they ain't talking? :smh:

An accidental exchange is much more likely than one side or the other deciding to launch their nukes.

You've got only a few minutes, from the time sensors/satellites detect a launch, to determine your response.


That is Iranian state TV so unless you view OANN as credible, this isn't a "game changing" move. :lol: It is a move out of necessity to delay the inevitable as the sanctions etc. take affect. To give you an idea of how bad things are, the head of the russian Central Bank has tried repeatedly to resign but Putin won't accept the resignation:smh::

Russia Central Banker Wanted Out Over Ukraine, Putin Said No
  • Russian president said to reject Nabiullina’s bid to resign
  • Respected central banker faces legacy at risk as sanctions hit

As for the ruble, This is what Putin said:

"Mr. Putin said that Moscow would continue to supply gas in accordance with existing contracts. Russia’s list of unfriendly countries includes EU members, the U.K., the U.S. and others."

Existing contracts e.g. I don't have the unilateral power to change the currency I want to receive but I have to confidently say some bullshit as the Market reopens tomorrow:

Stock Traders Brace for a Chaotic Reopening to Russia’s Market
:smh: :lol:

Them mofos said...You ain't shorting our shit... that'd be too easy..
:lol::roflmao3::roflmao2:
 
As you all know, each refugee will require
* residency, food, job training, education (prob not many speak english), health care

This is all money that hasn't been allocated yet.
Congress will have to create another multi billion dollar pay out for all this.


 
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I think Russia is trying to avoid killing civilians, this is the only reason this is going on so long.
They are literally losing ground and specifically targeting civilians aka Putin's 14D chess :smh: :lol:




We are basically a month in and a major military power (formerly now I guess:lol:) is losing ground :smh:

FOnjH7GaIAUemik




People said from day one that Putin would treat Ukrainian cities like he did Aleppo etc. and he has...
 
Yeah same here. Especially after what I was indoctrinated with in active duty how might Russia’s forces were and how they are a peer competitor :clown

Same, as far as being told, all my life, how they were a strong force..

Now them mofos are laughable.... especially in light of how recent they were hyping em up, on how they've upgraded their military.

I think Vlad pocketed that cash and told a buncha Duck Tales about buying weapons..

Same ol BS they did YEARS ago.
 
Same, as far as being told, all my life, how they were a strong force..

Now them mofos are laughable.... especially in light of how recent they were hyping em up, on how they've upgraded their military.

I think Vlad pocketed that cash and told a buncha Duck Tales about buying weapons..

Same ol BS they did YEARS ago.

Damn Ukraine straight.... undressing Russia in front of the world.
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As you all know, each refugee will require
* residency, food, job training, education (prob not many speak english), health care

This is all money that hasn't been allocated yet.
Congress will have to create another multi billion dollar pay out for all this.



So it be that easy :lol:
 
Same, as far as being told, all my life, how they were a strong force..

Now them mofos are laughable.... especially in light of how recent they were hyping em up, on how they've upgraded their military.

I think Vlad pocketed that cash and told a buncha Duck Tales about buying weapons..

Same ol BS they did YEARS ago.

:yes:

There have been wild claims about the condition of the military in Russia for decades too. These are the same conscripts getting slaughtered in Ukraine:


 
Lmbaooo the same Russia that saw people running across a bridge and started shooting missiles at them killing a whole family? Yeah ok
You do know that the people of Kiev still have water, electricity, heat, and cellphone service.

Why is that? Because the Ukrainian defenses are so great that they are protecting the infrastructure? Or because the Russian army is so incompetent they aren’t able to disrupt it? Or that Russia is waging a war where they are trying to do as little damage as possible.

We are living in a world of lies. The Russians are purposely not destroying the country, unlike what the US does in every war. We are not used to seeing a war fought this way, so we just follow the narrative that they are losing.

The reality is that Russia is winning. Zelensky has already agreed to stop pursing NATO and giving away parts of the country to Russia. That’s basically a surrender. Russia, of course isn’t even meeting with him, because theyknow that shortly they will take over the entire country and install a puppet as leader.

Keep believing that Russia is losing though. And when the war is over and Ukraine loses, you can think up an excuse about what happened.
 
They're sleepwalking cause they're depressed. They're depressed because they can't realistically discuss situations when they are required to adhere to a false narratives of what is and isn't occurring.
Exclusive: Inside a rare US meeting with a Russian general in Moscow
As the meeting was breaking up, one US defense attaché "casually inquired" about Ilyin's family roots in Ukraine, and the Russian general's "stoic demeanor suddenly became flushed and agitated," according to the readout. The Americans reported Ilyin responded "yes," and said that he was born in Dnipropetrovsk before moving with his family to Donetsk, where he went to school. But the US officials reported Ilyin then added that the current situation in Ukraine is "tragic and I am very depressed over it" -- and then he walked out without shaking hands, according to the readout.
Top Russian military leaders repeatedly decline calls from U.S., prompting fears of ‘sleepwalking into war’
BY JOHN HUDSON • THE WASHINGTON POST •
MARCH 24, 2022
 
You do know that the people of Kiev still have water, electricity, heat, and cellphone service.

Why is that? Because the Ukrainian defenses are so great that they are protecting the infrastructure? Or because the Russian army is so incompetent they aren’t able to disrupt it? Or that Russia is waging a war where they are trying to do as little damage as possible.

We are living in a world of lies. The Russians are purposely not destroying the country, unlike what the US does in every war. We are not used to seeing a war fought this way, so we just follow the narrative that they are losing.

The reality is that Russia is winning. Zelensky has already agreed to stop pursing NATO and giving away parts of the country to Russia. That’s basically a surrender. Russia, of course isn’t even meeting with him, because theyknow that shortly they will take over the entire country and install a puppet as leader.

Keep believing that Russia is losing though. And when the war is over and Ukraine loses, you can think up an excuse about what happened.
How much is Russia paying you or do you work for free?
Geez...
 
How much is Russia paying you or do you work for free?
Geez...
Why do you think Russia is paying me? What am I saying that helps them? I’m looking at the facts and come to a different conclusion as you. The facts will play our how they will and either you will be right or me. Whatever I think or what you think is irrelevant.

My question to you brother is, why do you think that someone who disagrees with you is “bought” by some enemy?

How can people have any discussion about a complicated issue if anyone you disagree with must be “bought” by someone.
 
You do know that the people of Kiev still have water, electricity, heat, and cellphone service.

Why is that? Because the Ukrainian defenses are so great that they are protecting the infrastructure? Or because the Russian army is so incompetent they aren’t able to disrupt it? Or that Russia is waging a war where they are trying to do as little damage as possible.

We are living in a world of lies. The Russians are purposely not destroying the country, unlike what the US does in every war. We are not used to seeing a war fought this way, so we just follow the narrative that they are losing.

The reality is that Russia is winning. Zelensky has already agreed to stop pursing NATO and giving away parts of the country to Russia. That’s basically a surrender. Russia, of course isn’t even meeting with him, because theyknow that shortly they will take over the entire country and install a puppet as leader.

Keep believing that Russia is losing though. And when the war is over and Ukraine loses, you can think up an excuse about what happened.
You’re that dumb ass anti vaxxer now you’re pro Russia. Shut the fuck up cac
 
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