THE WRESTLING THREAD: BROCK LESNAR HAS ENTERED THE CHAT!!!
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Never even heard of the guy.... lolz hasn't AEW been have a working relationship with NJPW? WTF is so "forbidden" about this?That was the hyped up "forbidden door" debut TK was hyping up?
The guy might be a great worker, who knows, but to act like everyone tuning in will instantly know him is just another example of TK mostly catering to the hardcore fans. And then they wonder why they can't break through in the ratings other than debuts from ex-WWE guys.
But it was marketed to people who would most likely know who he is. If you're watching Busted Open or other wrestling related show. There is a good chance you know who Jay White is. He didn't go on a "Good Morning America" and push this. He went to hardcore wrestling fans mediums and promoted this.
That was the hyped up "forbidden door" debut TK was hyping up?
Yes sir! Jay is one of the top guys in New Japan. A Former IWGP Heavyweight Champion. Superb worker and fantastic heel. His appearance is a big deal to the hardcore base fan like me that AEW appeals to.
You don't watch New Japan so you wouldn't know who he is.
I think the concept around the "forbidden door" is although AEW has a working relationship with New Japan none of their top stars have appeared on Dynamite until last night so whenever one does appear it's labed as walking through the forbidden door.
It would be the same if Kazuchika Okada, Hiroshi Tanahashi, Kota Ibushi, Tetsuya Naito, Will Ospreay or Shingo Takagi appeared on Dynamite. All top main event guys in New Japan.
I personally don't care about ratings. If you get too caught up in appealing to casual fans and chasing ratings you'll start to lose your identity and your hardcore base. Then your product just turns into another boring ass WWE knockoff.
You may not care about ratings, but the Turner folks paying TK do.
There's a reason why promotions like Impact, ROH, ECW, etc. that only cater to the hardcore fans have a hard time getting prime TV deals and end up either going out of business or wallowing in obscurity.
TNA was a wild card at times....
That's what she said
S/O Gabby Ortiz, I like her little thick ass
Who was the red head that kissed him?
Good point but these are also different times. In 30+ years of being a wrestling fan WWE product has never been this poor. When Raw was bad Smackdown was hitting on all cylinders. When the main roster was bad NXT brought triple A wrestling. Now the main roster is shit and NXT with the exception of Rex Steiner and a handful of others are just a bunch of green vanilla guys who don't belong on t.v. right now. ECW, Impact were both poorly run companies money wised. ROH had their talent raided by WWE and AEW.
AEW has exceeded ratings expectations for both TNT and TBS. Tony talked about this a few months back. If they hover around 800,000 to 1 million they're good. That's well more than any non sports show gets on both channels. It's the reason why they were given a second show. They did all this before they brought in CM Punk, Bryan Danielson, Adam Cole and all the other free agents. It was their hardcore base that did that. That's why it's important to appeal to the hardcores.
TNA, ROH, ECW never had the amount of hardcores that AEW has. None of those promotions ever did shows with 20,000 plus in attendance. Not even close. Plus on top of that all those promotions were horribly mismanaged. All Tony needs to do is continue putting out a quality wrestling product.
Speaking of ratings. I guess Tony's hype worked.
We're not talking about WWE, we're talking about AEW.
Even with how bad the product is creatively on WWE, AEW is still nowhere close to being a threat.
And the WWE product actually has been worse in the past. Remember the era right before the Attitude Era kicked off?
Things were so bad that WWE almost went out of business.
Now times have changed and the product is bad, but business for the WWE is better than ever before.
For AEW, it's okay to cater to hardcore fans. Hell, every now and then WWF and WCW would do the same.
But that can't be the ONLY group you cater to and expect to keep getting lucrative TV deals and survive in the long run.
That's cool. We just need TK to hype up every show from here on out with "forbidden door" debuts in order to break a million viewers. LOL
I know I sound like an AEW hater, but trust me, I REALLY want AEW to succeed and not just succeed but threaten WWE so the overall product will get better. I just question the tactics used by TK.
If AEW and the Turner folks are happy with around a million viewers on Dynamite and half those numbers for Rampage, then so be it.
Sure you can. All you have to do is perform well in your time slot. Dynamite routinely beats every other show in it's time slot on Wednesday nights. Their next deal with TBS will be huge.
Even if AEW were to threaten WWE it still wouldn't matter. WWE is making money hand over fist. There's no incentive for them to change what they're doing. For WWE to ultimately change people in mass will have to stop going to the shows and watching their product and that's simply not going to happen no matter how bad the product is. People are too conditioned.
It's their highest rated show outside of sports like the NBA. They're happy as fuck. They're second highest rated show is "Snowpiercer".
I see what your problem is now. You're looking at this as a competition. Vince is the only person looking at this like a competition. Everybody else is looking at this like more wrestling for whatever your tastes. There is enough money for everybody to succeed.
That's Xia Li lolGAIL KIM!
Anybody else feel that AEW uses too much blood in their matches? If they're not blading then somebody is getting color the hard way.
Question so what are y'all posting pics too since the last board update from like two years ago? When I upload to the drop box some don't see the pic. Do I click full pic or thumbnail?
People keep saying that's his girl IRL
That's because fans who like death matches are apart of their fanbase so you're gonna see it more often. AEW is basically a Hybrid of New Japan strong style, Indy spotfest, Lucha Libre, old school psychology based NWA style, FMW/ECW Death style and DDT style comedy.
Exactly. We ain't on the board of directors, we don't get stock dividends and shit. Do you enjoy this shit as a TV program? Because these numbers really don't mean shit at the end of the day.
Vince is too set in his ways to ever change his formula. The way it is now is how it's gonna be until Vince croaks. AEW's successes are not going to change that.
The 3-4 million people who stopped watching WWE within the last 5-10 years, those people are gone, they're not coming back. The most watched wrestling show, Smackdown, is Fox's 15th best TV show, even if it were to be beat by Dynamite, it's like not even a big deal for real. It only matters to Vince because he's petty like that.
Streaming services need content, and WWE has a large quantity of content, and that's how they made all that money. So that's all they're focused on, producing the most content. Quality has taken a backseat to that. That shit is evident in the product.
Warner Bros. seem to be happy with the numbers so far. That might change in the future. The shows aren't taking up any coveted time slots except when the NBA has something going on. Before AEW they were mainly just showing movies and re-runs. I don't think it's that big of a cost-sink that they promotion will fold anytime soon or get dropped by WB.
OH MY GOD......
Damn I feel awful. Fuck ups like this is why I think before posting
I've never looked at anything as a competition. It's the AEW hardcores that want everything to be a competition.
Constantly comparing "key demo" Dynamite numbers with Raw and Smackdown.
I see AEW for what it is, an alternative to the WWE and an attempt to recreate the Attitude Era with heavy Japanese and indy influence.
Just like any program, there's some good stuff but there's some bad as well.
I will say that AEW is becoming less outlawish and more watchable now that more ex-WWE guys have arrived
Hey that's more than can be said for a lot of other members here. lol