the recording wasn't sampled
Rick Rubin wouldn't clear it...
so they recreated in studio the part they wanted
BGOL Legal-Pete Rock Plans To File A Lawsuit Against Nas For Unpaid Royalties From His Work On ‘Illmatic’
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Rick Rubin wouldn't clear it...
so they recreated in studio the part they wanted
Didn't Nas have an issue with Serch doing some shady shit to him?
Don’t make no sense pay that man.
Pay that man NAS. But I always wondered why NAS hadn't had Pete's production on his other albums after Ill
Didn't Serch give NAS back his Illmatic pub. I believe he mentioned it on Drink Champs
And THIS is the very reason why Cash Money had a rep for not paying producers. They assumed ALL producers were in that boat.
slightly off topic interview from 2014
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Nas: 'I'm Still Charged' 20 Years After 'Illmatic'
The maker of a hip-hop classic on his audience, the next generation and how his anniversary is inspiring a new album.
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yes but I can’t remember the issue
Way later after he made enough off of it
I respectfully disagree. He can say they recreated it all they want, they sampled that record and scratched it throughout the hook. Wu-Tang recreated it, Pete just took the sample. But let me do some more research, this is fun.
I thought manny did all the beats?
Nah, they had some young producers get placements, and when they asked Birdman about getting paid, he was like, "We did y'all a favor!"
Nas has more than enough to pay that man and mend whatever gripes they have.
I learned that the names you usually see or always hear from have people behind them doing most of the work with fresh new energy.....
It's enough money for everyone,after you're already good why not let some young dude shine,give him his credit and his right to be paid for what he did.....they want it all,taking in bad karma.
I learned that the names you usually see or always hear from have people behind them doing most of the work with fresh new energy.....
It's enough money for everyone,after you're already good why not let some young dude shine,give him his credit and his right to be paid for what he did.....they want it all,taking in bad karma.
Is that TRUE?
9 questions I had when I read that Pete Rock is planning to sue Nas over royalties from ‘The World Is Yours’
OPINION: A hip-hop headline seemingly pulled out of 1994 has me saying, “say heffa, say what?” in 2022.
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Jan 12, 2022
Nas Pete Rock theGrio
Nas, left (Photo by Dia Dipasupil/Getty Images); Pete Rock (Photo by Johnny Nunez/WireImage)
Have you ever been reading an article that seems straight out of a time capsule, so much so that you check the date to make sure that whoever runs the site didn’t publish an archived article to play with your emotions? That was me this morning when I happened upon an article from Page Six alleging that lawyers for Pete Rock told them that he intends to sue Nas over unpaid royalties (potentially in the millions of dollars) for the classic hip-hop record “The World Is Yours” from Illmatic.
For fact’s sake, Illmatic—the seminal debut album from Nasir “Nas” Jones often viewed as the greatest hip-hop album of all time—was released on April 19, 1994. On April 19, 1994—roughly 28 years ago—I was a 14-year-old freshman at Bob Jones High School living in Madison, Ala. The song was released as a single in May 1994. Pete Rock is NOW set to sue Nas over royalties he’s reportedly owed from a song he hasn’t been paid for that is 28 years old. I have so many questions. Thankfully, I have the space to get those questions off.
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But first, let me share; sharing is caring. Pete Rock is my favorite hip-hop producer of all time purely because he produced “They Reminisce Over You (T.R.O.Y.),” hands down my favorite hip-hop song ever. The Notorious B.I.G. is my favorite rapper of all time, but I mean, Nas is Nas, and when Nas goes off—as he does on all of Illmatic—it is truly a thing of beauty. I still listen to “It Ain’t Hard to Tell” like it came out yesterday. I, too, tried to sneak an uzi on the Island (Rikers) in my army jacket lining. None of that is true—my first trip to New York City wasn’t until 2001—but I wanted to give it a whirl when I first heard this song in 1994.
“The World Is Yours” is one of my favorite hip-hop records; it features my favorite producer during his peak years with one of hip-hop’s GOATs dropping some understandable smooth shit. Good gracious. Point is, I’m a fan of both artists and very befuddled by this news. Just so we’re clear as well; if Pete Rock has an agreement that says he is owed money, it doesn’t matter HOW many years have passed; he is entitled to get it. Without further ado, here are my questions:
1. How, Sway?
Seriously, and I mean this with all seriousness, how in the hell does Pete Rock go 28 years without receiving any payment from one of the seminal records he’s been a part of? Has Nas just told him, “I got you, bro; I’ll call you tomorrow?” every time he’s seen Pete Rock? I imagine they’ve seen one another many times over the years.
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2. If true, WHY hasn’t Pete been paid?
According to the Page Six article, Pete and Nas had an agreement—presumably with lawyers involved—that entitled him to payments for the record. Hell, Pete has a writing credit on the record. So he didn’t only produce it, he presumably has some publishing tied to it. How in the hell has he not been paid…at all? Which is more of a Pete question than a Nas question.
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3. Does Nas know this?
Like does Nas actually know that Pete Rock hasn’t been paid? Basically, when Nas heard the news, was he surprised and placed a phone call to Pete to clear up the situation or was Nas like, “I’m trying to worry about my brunch on Sundays, and here this dude goes, again?!?!?!?” Considering how active Pete Rock is on social media, and particularly Instagram—he’s up to date with all anti-vax conspiracy theories—the fact that he has (as of this writing) yet to address this means that both the Page Six article is true and that Nas hasn’t reached out about it.
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4. Is this why they haven’t worked together since?
Dr. Dre said, “some say the business end of this shit can turn your friends against you…” and while I don’t know if Nas and Pete were ever really friends (Pete wasn’t present during the sessions for “The World Is Yours” but was in the video) it is telling that they haven’t worked together again. Pete Rock has beats on 2019’s The Lost Tapes 2, but who knows when those were made; my guess is they’ve been sitting around for decades.
5. Did Pete get paid for producing the beat for “The World Is Yours”?
I’ve never heard or read a single interview from Pete—who has happily spoken about “The World Is Yours”—talking about not getting paid for the beat at all. So I presume he was paid for the beat upfront out of Nas’ budget for Illmatic. That makes sense since what’s at the heart of the alleged lawsuit is royalties.
6. Hmm, did Pete recently find out or realize that he has this agreement and tried to get paid, was rebuffed and is now suing?
This is plausible. Or at least it would be an interesting wrinkle. Let’s say Pete is doing some house-cleaning on his business affairs and had a lawyer or law firm go through his contracts, etc. in search of any missing royalties or payments—Big Sean was recently on Drink Champs talking about how all rappers need to audit their label’s books; that’s how he determined that Kanye and G.O.O.D. Music owed him $6 million—and his lawyer uncovered the agreement signed by both Nas and Pete Rock and asked if he’d received anything in the way of royalties from this song, which, at this point, has been sampled by countless artists and used in countless movies, shows, etc.
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7. Is that why he’s filing this suit 28 years after the fact?
That would make sense, no?
8. Is Pete actually about to get paid?
I guess time will tell. If he’s owed money—ANY money, much less millions of dollars—I hope that Pete gets his money. That’s why artists get lawyers to handle their affairs so that two dudes creating magic don’t have to worry about any back and forth, which is kind of what makes this surprising. If he isn’t owed any money, and I can’t see why he’d be willing to bring a lawsuit if he wasn’t, then well, what an odd thing to do. What I do know is that “The World Is Yours” is one of Nas’s seminal works, and that’s proven by how often it’s referenced, used, etc. It has been around, and maybe that’s why Pete is going after any money now. I hope these two legends manage to keep this low and just let the business handle itself.
9. Will we ever get a Nas x Pete Rock project?
This is really what most of us care about. One can only hope
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OPINION: A hip-hop headline seemingly pulled out of 1994 has me saying, “say heffa, say what?” in 2022.
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|
Jan 12, 2022
Nas Pete Rock theGrio
Nas, left (Photo by Dia Dipasupil/Getty Images); Pete Rock (Photo by Johnny Nunez/WireImage)
Have you ever been reading an article that seems straight out of a time capsule, so much so that you check the date to make sure that whoever runs the site didn’t publish an archived article to play with your emotions? That was me this morning when I happened upon an article from Page Six alleging that lawyers for Pete Rock told them that he intends to sue Nas over unpaid royalties (potentially in the millions of dollars) for the classic hip-hop record “The World Is Yours” from Illmatic.
For fact’s sake, Illmatic—the seminal debut album from Nasir “Nas” Jones often viewed as the greatest hip-hop album of all time—was released on April 19, 1994. On April 19, 1994—roughly 28 years ago—I was a 14-year-old freshman at Bob Jones High School living in Madison, Ala. The song was released as a single in May 1994. Pete Rock is NOW set to sue Nas over royalties he’s reportedly owed from a song he hasn’t been paid for that is 28 years old. I have so many questions. Thankfully, I have the space to get those questions off.
Nas Pete Rock theGrio
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But first, let me share; sharing is caring. Pete Rock is my favorite hip-hop producer of all time purely because he produced “They Reminisce Over You (T.R.O.Y.),” hands down my favorite hip-hop song ever. The Notorious B.I.G. is my favorite rapper of all time, but I mean, Nas is Nas, and when Nas goes off—as he does on all of Illmatic—it is truly a thing of beauty. I still listen to “It Ain’t Hard to Tell” like it came out yesterday. I, too, tried to sneak an uzi on the Island (Rikers) in my army jacket lining. None of that is true—my first trip to New York City wasn’t until 2001—but I wanted to give it a whirl when I first heard this song in 1994.
“The World Is Yours” is one of my favorite hip-hop records; it features my favorite producer during his peak years with one of hip-hop’s GOATs dropping some understandable smooth shit. Good gracious. Point is, I’m a fan of both artists and very befuddled by this news. Just so we’re clear as well; if Pete Rock has an agreement that says he is owed money, it doesn’t matter HOW many years have passed; he is entitled to get it. Without further ado, here are my questions:
1. How, Sway?
Seriously, and I mean this with all seriousness, how in the hell does Pete Rock go 28 years without receiving any payment from one of the seminal records he’s been a part of? Has Nas just told him, “I got you, bro; I’ll call you tomorrow?” every time he’s seen Pete Rock? I imagine they’ve seen one another many times over the years.
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2. If true, WHY hasn’t Pete been paid?
According to the Page Six article, Pete and Nas had an agreement—presumably with lawyers involved—that entitled him to payments for the record. Hell, Pete has a writing credit on the record. So he didn’t only produce it, he presumably has some publishing tied to it. How in the hell has he not been paid…at all? Which is more of a Pete question than a Nas question.
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Nas performs live during the Waffle & Yankee Fitted Fest at Miramar Regional Park Amphitheater on September 4, 2021 in Miramar, Florida. (Photo by Johnny Louis/Getty Images)
3. Does Nas know this?
Like does Nas actually know that Pete Rock hasn’t been paid? Basically, when Nas heard the news, was he surprised and placed a phone call to Pete to clear up the situation or was Nas like, “I’m trying to worry about my brunch on Sundays, and here this dude goes, again?!?!?!?” Considering how active Pete Rock is on social media, and particularly Instagram—he’s up to date with all anti-vax conspiracy theories—the fact that he has (as of this writing) yet to address this means that both the Page Six article is true and that Nas hasn’t reached out about it.
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4. Is this why they haven’t worked together since?
Dr. Dre said, “some say the business end of this shit can turn your friends against you…” and while I don’t know if Nas and Pete were ever really friends (Pete wasn’t present during the sessions for “The World Is Yours” but was in the video) it is telling that they haven’t worked together again. Pete Rock has beats on 2019’s The Lost Tapes 2, but who knows when those were made; my guess is they’ve been sitting around for decades.
5. Did Pete get paid for producing the beat for “The World Is Yours”?
I’ve never heard or read a single interview from Pete—who has happily spoken about “The World Is Yours”—talking about not getting paid for the beat at all. So I presume he was paid for the beat upfront out of Nas’ budget for Illmatic. That makes sense since what’s at the heart of the alleged lawsuit is royalties.
6. Hmm, did Pete recently find out or realize that he has this agreement and tried to get paid, was rebuffed and is now suing?
This is plausible. Or at least it would be an interesting wrinkle. Let’s say Pete is doing some house-cleaning on his business affairs and had a lawyer or law firm go through his contracts, etc. in search of any missing royalties or payments—Big Sean was recently on Drink Champs talking about how all rappers need to audit their label’s books; that’s how he determined that Kanye and G.O.O.D. Music owed him $6 million—and his lawyer uncovered the agreement signed by both Nas and Pete Rock and asked if he’d received anything in the way of royalties from this song, which, at this point, has been sampled by countless artists and used in countless movies, shows, etc.
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7. Is that why he’s filing this suit 28 years after the fact?
That would make sense, no?
8. Is Pete actually about to get paid?
I guess time will tell. If he’s owed money—ANY money, much less millions of dollars—I hope that Pete gets his money. That’s why artists get lawyers to handle their affairs so that two dudes creating magic don’t have to worry about any back and forth, which is kind of what makes this surprising. If he isn’t owed any money, and I can’t see why he’d be willing to bring a lawsuit if he wasn’t, then well, what an odd thing to do. What I do know is that “The World Is Yours” is one of Nas’s seminal works, and that’s proven by how often it’s referenced, used, etc. It has been around, and maybe that’s why Pete is going after any money now. I hope these two legends manage to keep this low and just let the business handle itself.
9. Will we ever get a Nas x Pete Rock project?
This is really what most of us care about. One can only hope
9 questions I had when I read that Pete Rock is planning to sue Nas over royalties from 'The World Is Yours'
Have you ever read an article that seemed straight out of a time capsule that you actually checked to make sure it wasn't an old story?
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Come on Nas I know you gotta be better than this pay that man.
I'm sure this will get settled now that the news is out there
Could this be a record label thing?
Nas was 17/18 at the time so I can see it being the label not handling business
Never heard of Nas and shady business dealings so I'm giving him the benefit of doubt for the time being
Could this be a record label thing?
Nas was 17/18 at the time so I can see it being the label not handling business
Never heard of Nas and shady business dealings so I'm giving him the benefit of doubt for the time being
Pete Rock is not the brightest crayon in the box, but if he didnt get paid and should then Im pretty sure it wasnt an 18 year old Nas holding up his breast. Im jaded cause Ive seen so many IG post from him that made me be like damn one of my idols are dummies.
But here is the thing, and Pete knows this, his grievance is with the label and the publishing company not Nas. Nas, does not write those checks. In fact, Nas depends on those same entities to pay him for those same records Pete is complaining about.
Cmon man, you can not be this old and in the game this long and not understand the business.
Cmon man, you can not be this old and in the game this long and not understand the business.
nah...
but a few years ago you'd be correct
This thread is disgusting. And for the posters demanding that Nas pay Pete: y'all pay him.
There is something wrong with adults being impulsive. Let him file his case and let's see where it lands.
There is something wrong with adults being impulsive. Let him file his case and let's see where it lands.
Where the rest?
Remember, we are talking about Illmatic. Nas aint got control of the money coming from that album. Pete need to holla at Search and Columbia.
That song made me love hip hop. I remembered staying up late to listen to PRB (princeton univ. station played hip hop late night) with my cassette deck ready to record. That song brought tears to my eyes the first time I heard it. As a young black youth I felt that spiritually.
Yo PRB was my shit back in the day. I always had a fresh tape Friday morning walking to school. I think I first heard the roots and wu-tang on that station, Still got some of those tapes too
yooo I don't think the youngins realize they only played hip hop at certain times on certain stations in the late 80's early 90's. You had to be dedicated to get the hot shit.
Niggas start goin broke.....pockets feeling a lil lite...
Then be like.....oh shit....so and so didn't pay me for this song 27 years ago....
"Hey nigga.....u owe me $2 from that time I bought u a honey bun, soda, and chips back in 1994"
Nas now has master rights for Illmatic and its publishing
so Pete is knocking at the right door
a few years ago Pete would have to go at Serch Columbia and Nas
it is baffling why Pete waited almost 30 years
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Good thread - reading through it now.
Well Fat Joe and Remy just prevailed in a lawsuit claiming non-paymnt
Fat Joe & Remy Ma Win Copyright Lawsuit Over "All The Way Up"
The New Yorkers came out the victors in the case.allhiphop.com
this the shit i dont understand ...
ok so he signed away his rights for 5k ...the shits a hit ...
still look out for the man on the back end cuz it`s the right thing to do ...
he probably wanted some crazy ass figure only thing i can come up with ...
Butt hurt Cause Illmatic was his only production.
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