THE WRESTLING THREAD: BROCK LESNAR HAS ENTERED THE CHAT!!!
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That's called being a master of your craft. Ultimo Dragon is one of the best in ring performers of all time.
That was a good interview. Jay comes off as a very likable guy. Someone you could probably hang out with whether you're in the wrestling business or not. He's very fortunate to be able to learn the business from greats like Flair and Angle. That's not something that happens everyday. Now that he's in AEW I would like for him to help out guys like Dante Martin and Powerhouse Hobbs get better at promos. If I was a young wrestler in AEW I would be picking his brain like crazy for information.
I wonder if some promises were made to Swole but were reneged on once AEW started gaining traction? She's been there since the beginning and at one point was being built up.
Britt Baker has been there since the beginning too. The difference between Britt and Swole is Britt put in the hard work to improve her character, promos, and ring skill. She's leaps and bounds better now than she ever was in 2019. Swole on the other hand hasn't improved at all. Her promos are meh, she's an average worker and even saying that is being too generous and her character work is weak. You can blame it on Crohn's disease or whatever but she had an opportunity and she didn't capitalize on it. Instead of crying about it work and get better at your craft. She has no one to blame but herself.
Now Tony put himself in a no win situation. If he pushes Jade to win the TBS title people are gonna say he only did it because she's black. If he pushes Ruby to win then the argument will be they're not pushing black people. Going forward it puts a uncertainty on the booking process whenever a black wrestler wrestles a non black wrestler.
That happens in pro-wrestling no matter what. When Kofi won people said that. When Big E. won people said it. I think he's high on Jade and should continue her push.
Looks like Lio realized he fucked up and talked to Tony privately. This has nothing to do with diversity. This is Big Swole feeling bitter because she failed when she was given the opportunities to shine. If you can't get over with all the resources in AEW then perhaps it's you that is the problem.
Another woman who has worked her ass off to get better and when given the opportunities she's killed it. Her match with Britt at "Full Gear" was probably the best match of her career. That's what the wrestling business is all about; taking advantage of the opportunities that you get.
That was gonna happen any way no matter who won. Swole, Hobbs, Scorpio, etc., it would be "oh, they only gave it to them because they're black"
That's what makes the discussion a moot point, because people aren't going to be satisfied no matter what or who.
TK should stay outta these discussions and just do what he planned to do and I just hope the plan has always been to eventually include some black people being main event stars because for about 3-4 decades, it very much seemed like Vince had no intentions to put that WWE title on a black man.
I like her but anyone NOT Black needs to shut the fuck up and stop bringing in their own "struggles" with regards to what Swole was discussing.
This isn't about them.
I don't believe that. People just want to see a logical progression by you working hard at your craft and improving. When Thunder Rosa dethrones Britt Baker at some point this year it's not going to be because she's Latina. It's going to be because EVERYONE can see that progression. She's worked her ass off and deserves to get that spot. With Swole there was no progression. She couldn't get over with the crowd and didn't use the resources available to improve herself.
Women like Tay Conti, Britt Baker, Kris Statlander, Red Velvet, Nyla Rose, etc all are better performers now than when they first came into the company.
Yes there's always going to be naysayers but the majority of people are gonna be on your side if they see that you've worked hard to get that spot.
He's grooming those future black stars now. Hobbs, Martin, Moriarty, Starks. They all will be taking their next step in their progression this year. In addition to that there's no doubt in my mind that Jay Lethal is going to be in the main event scene at some point this year. If they sign Keith Lee he's going to be in the main event scene. People are just impatient and want quick results. It's going to take time.
He opened himself up for this by responding. And he only responding to the stuff about race making himself look even crazier. Besides I've seen and heard people criticize AEW in regards to black wrestlers and their lack of push prior to this so...
Dag
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At best, it's probably a 50/50 split between people who pay attention to progression and those who don't.
Me and you, we understand the concept of progression in wrestling, but I honestly think we are in the minority. Because this discussion pops up every other month, and not just on here, likely because there are a lot of people who are just like Swole's daughter - they cut on the TV one day completely out of context and be like "where the chocolate people at? Why aren't they the champions?"
If people like that actually paid attention to the product they would see why them brothers haven't been heavyweight champions. They would see that they haven't progressed further enough yet.
Between Jericho (biggest name in the company), Moxley (fresh outta WWE) and "Top 5 Best Wrestler in the World" Kenny Omega and their runs, imagine if they had thrown in a Scorpio Sky AEW title reign. You would've quickly saw how bland this brother is and it wouldn't have done him any good. The same with just about any other brother on the roster. And you would've fa sho heard "oh they only gave it to him cuz he black" because it would've been true.
But people are acting like that's what they want, tho. That seems to be the expectation from the people who keep being like "well why isn't so-and so [insert black wrestler] champion?" that's how you know that they don't follow the progression.
As for the lack of progression from the wrestlers themselves, I don't even want to put the blame on just the wrestlers or just AEW and Tony, it's just that some of these things just take time. AEW just turned 3 today.
In contrast, Big E debuted like 10 years ago. It took 10 years for him to progress from being Dolph Ziggler's mute henchman to WWE's champion.
It took Kofi 11 years and Bobby 15. I'm not saying it should take that long, but damn, AEW was supposed to do that in less than 3?
Sure, it can be done with someone who's incredibly talented and organically over. But for someone who is lacking in several areas, going from virtually a nobody to the main guy is gonna be tough to do in less than 3 years.
Diversity my ass. Kofi and Big E title reigns were treated like shit. Both lost to the same man.
That's the casual fan. The ones who tune in once or twice a week to the television show. The ones who don't know (or care) what the performer did on the indys or the awesome matches they put on in Japan. A lot of the times they really don't care about how technically proficient a wrestler is, if the character appeals to them. Those are the people who make up the bulk of the audience that the large American promotions (at least WWE) want.
So Roman gets Covid, and Big E loses his title clean as an audible?
I think Big E was gonna lose regardless. I think they were building Lashley up to win but when they inserted Brock, no way he wasn't winning. They should have let Owens or Rollins eat the pin instead of Big E cause we know Big E isn't gonna get his win back so why let him take the L too.
Nah….if Big E loses his title without eating the pin, he’ll always have a claim of being unpinned.
His run was meh, glad he got his chance, but Lashley vs Lesnar is money, especially if they book it for Wrestlemania. I see Lashley winning the Royal Rumble and finally giving us the match we all wanted.
Lashley vs Lesnar, MVP vs Heyman….shit will be entertaining.
