@mangobob79 You need to be in here and actually learning something rather than dropping emoji-laden bullshit responses in other threads.
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Is capitalism anti-Black?
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@mangobob79 You need to be in here and actually learning something rather than dropping emoji-laden bullshit responses in other threads.
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Capitalism has nothing to do with laziness or thought process. And there is no free enterprise. That shit is a myth. Government has always been involved with any/every industry and will always be. The problem is the government in America and around the world went out of its way to hinder destroy hurt etc etc and not allow us to participate in “capitalism “ so while it may not be anti black, when one considers what the government deliberately did to affect us negatively one has to question it….
Well if you hate American capitalism so much ? Then why do you move to a communist country like Cuba, North Korea or Russia in which there entire country is ran by the government.
There is nothing wrong with capitalism, in America you can make 6 figures tommorrow if you want. You just have to stop being lazy and put in the work. The problem with this generation is that they don’t want to put in NO work. They want shit handed to them.
If you want to get rich and make a lot of money there is nothing stopping you from becoming a doctor, lawyer or even a engineer? Shit you can even pick up some books on Stocks and Real estate.
Anything with value takes hard work. The problem with black people is that we don’t want to learn how to fish. We want to sit on our asses and want to be fed fish.
You don’t see to many Asians, Jews, Arabs complaining about capitalism. They stack there money and put it in starting business and building wealth?
While black people stack there money on cars, clothes and jewelry Shit that don’t have any real value over time after you buy it.
It’s all Guns and Butter
It's exploitation of the working class. Your whole argument basically proves how racism and capitalism ties together.
That is complete bullshit. Small businesses fill in the gaps where big businesses can't or won't.
Safeway and Trader Joe's can't put a grocery store on every corner so that's where convenience stores come in. In some neighborhoods, including my own, they're the only store you can buy food.
For that matter, do you notice how you don't see any national chains of laundromats or dry cleaners?
Try to open up your own car manufacturing plant and your SOL. However, my grandfather started a successful fishing boat manufacturing company. My other grandfather scavenged valves from the junkyard, fix them up, and resold them. Paid off the house that way and now my uncle runs the business.
As for the government not helping. Anytime you punch a clock they'll take the money off your check before you even see it. then you use what's left to pay for your car, gas, and cell phone.
If you own the business you get your money, pay for your car, gas, and cell phone, then give the government a portion of what's left after.
That is a HUGE government incentive for all businesses big and small.
The real issue is that very few people will ever talk about it or teach you how to do it. The system will push you to take out a student loan and get a degree so that you can work for someone else. However, they will not encourage you to get a business loan and try to make your own ideas work. In America it's as mind-blowing as it is disgusting.
Capitalism is the only way for a Black person to come up in America
Lmao and access to these loans and capital is available for everybody? That's why we see so many small black businesses right?
There are 30.2 million small businesses in the U.S. But only a fraction of them survive. Twenty percent of small businesses fail by the first year, 30% by the second, 50% by the fifth, and by the 10th year, a staggering 70% of businesses have shut off their lights.
For minorities, the numbers can be even more daunting. Eight out of 10 Black-owned businesses fail within the first 18 months.
Yes the ones that succeed are great for that black business owner but it doesn't help the whole. The problem is access to capital especially for black people. Also in order to survive you have to serve the greater economy not just your neighborhood. Our wealth as a people hadn't budges much since the 1800's. How do you expect a black business to survive by just serving black people? Black capitalism hasn't worked for the whole it can't. The nature of capitalism is such that you have to have the extreme poor. Who else gonna do ya labor?
Trust me I been around the world. America is the only place on earth where I see blacks come from the bottom and become successful. You just have to put in the hard work.
Other countries that practice so called socialism and communism. You don’t see people of color thriving unless there a politician
LOL, my grandfather's company, Ontario valve repair, is a black owned business and has been for over 50 years. He didn't need a loan. Just started it all off in the garage as a side hustle.
Likewise, the only loans I've got for my business came off my credit cards. I'll put anywhere from a few hundred to a couple thousand up to pay for equipment, supplies, transportation, and staff for a particular gig then pay off the cards once I get the check.
Also, in what world are black people only supposed to sell to black customers? That's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.
Yes, access to capital is ridiculously one sided. Means black business owners have obstacles that a lot of white business owners don't. But it can be overcome.
Great for ya grandpa but again I'm not talking about individuals I'm talking the larger group. Capitalism works for individuals. It doesn't help the whole. It can be overcome? Lmao let me guess it just hasn't because blacks are lazy or some other trope.
I'm curious why you can connect racism to any economic system as if changing systems will totally erase cultural biases in a multiracial society.
And look at the leadership of the top democratic socialist organizations in the US. Their whiter than the audience at a NASCAR race.
Are these the people black people should trust to usher in a post-racist economic system?
I don't think it's anti-black at all I think it's the way it has been adjudicated if that's the right word I can use
Cultural biases have always existed. But the white racism that came about towards blacks was an integral part of the capitalist mode of production. These slaves were needed to work the land. The European needed to rationalize the oppression of the Africans. I never said changing systems will eliminate racism. But a system is built on shared profits and not exploitation is certainly better. Their is no room for mistrust when everybody is eating or sharing in profits
What do you mean by shared profits? Where are these shared profits coming from? Who will they support? Who doles them out?
If you're looking to eat off corporate profits why can't you just invest in stocks?
Some points to consider.
Capitalism= he who owns the capital makes the rules.
Where did this capital come from? It was stolen from Native peoples (who never developed a concept of private ownership of land.)
How did this nation's land and resources become capital? By way of force: genocide and slavery. This is ALWAYS the way
with capitalism.
Recall: the systems of apartheid and abuse implemented by the British Empire were done so under the auspices of capitalism: The East India Company was literally a company, a corporation, that subjugated the indigenous population for profit.
Enslavement of Africans is a direct effect of capitalism: a captive population that does not have to be paid, is easily identifiable, and reproduces to produce more capital (slaves).
Under (unbridled) capitalism, in order for someone to be rich, someone else must be poor.
The references to "communist countries" in previous posts are not legitimate. There has never been a communist nation.
There have been nations that call themselves communist, and have governments that feature some elements of communism,
but they are not communist. They are authoritarian, oligarchical, and totalitarian. The name "communism" is a lie, just for show, much in the same way the United States claims to be the land of the free, with liberty and justice for all.
The best happy medium that can be achieved seems to be the Western European model (France, Germany, Belgium, etc.), where a mix of capitalism and socialism prevail. Capitalism exists, but is subordinate to the will and the benefit of the people.
In the USA: FUCK the people- it's all about a profit, at all costs, including health, welfare, and even life.
Pure capitalism has, as an ultimate goal, profit. Hence the root word of the term, capital.
Socialism has, as an ultimate goal, the well being of the people, hence the root word of the term, social or society.
With respect to the question of whether it is good for black people:
Capitalism thrives when there is a poorly educated, working class that can be pulled into the economy during boom times, and excluded from the economy during lean times.
This population in the USA used to be primarily black people and poor whites.
The question is moot at this point. They got Mexicans now.
In essence, drop the slave mentality, go to school to become EDUCATED, as opposed to becoming "marketable" to some white dude that will hire you ONLY to appear non-racist, if at all. Make your own job.
Arabs are THRIVING in the USA, in the Midwest, they are doing so because they make money on...
wait for it....
the BLACK community.
Capitalism= he who owns the capital makes the rules.
Where did this capital come from? It was stolen from Native peoples (who never developed a concept of private ownership of land.)
How did this nation's land and resources become capital? By way of force: genocide and slavery. This is ALWAYS the way
with capitalism.
Recall: the systems of apartheid and abuse implemented by the British Empire were done so under the auspices of capitalism: The East India Company was literally a company, a corporation, that subjugated the indigenous population for profit.
Enslavement of Africans is a direct effect of capitalism: a captive population that does not have to be paid, is easily identifiable, and reproduces to produce more capital (slaves).
Under (unbridled) capitalism, in order for someone to be rich, someone else must be poor.
The references to "communist countries" in previous posts are not legitimate. There has never been a communist nation.
There have been nations that call themselves communist, and have governments that feature some elements of communism,
but they are not communist. They are authoritarian, oligarchical, and totalitarian. The name "communism" is a lie, just for show, much in the same way the United States claims to be the land of the free, with liberty and justice for all.
The best happy medium that can be achieved seems to be the Western European model (France, Germany, Belgium, etc.), where a mix of capitalism and socialism prevail. Capitalism exists, but is subordinate to the will and the benefit of the people.
In the USA: FUCK the people- it's all about a profit, at all costs, including health, welfare, and even life.
Pure capitalism has, as an ultimate goal, profit. Hence the root word of the term, capital.
Socialism has, as an ultimate goal, the well being of the people, hence the root word of the term, social or society.
With respect to the question of whether it is good for black people:
Capitalism thrives when there is a poorly educated, working class that can be pulled into the economy during boom times, and excluded from the economy during lean times.
This population in the USA used to be primarily black people and poor whites.
The question is moot at this point. They got Mexicans now.
In essence, drop the slave mentality, go to school to become EDUCATED, as opposed to becoming "marketable" to some white dude that will hire you ONLY to appear non-racist, if at all. Make your own job.
Arabs are THRIVING in the USA, in the Midwest, they are doing so because they make money on...
wait for it....
the BLACK community.
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You sir are a complete idiot. But again I'm not shocked you say the dumbest idiotic shit all the time. You are a white cac and it shows constantly. Faggot named all these other groups of people like they have experienced anything remotely close to what blacks have experienced in America or in the world for that matter. But hey most of u idiotic whites think the same way so I'm not shocked nor do I care. The one thing it does show is whites are not smart just good at stealing...
Free enterprise, like the free market, is indeed a myth.
African Americans have always participated in capitalism, first, as capital, and subsequently as the "fodder" for capitalism: hire blacks (last) for menial labor in order to make obscene profits, then fire them (first) when the economy goes belly up.
Good points here.
However, the ability to do as you seem to suggest has been severely curtailed.
50 years ago, there were many small business across America. Drug stores for example.
There used to be a chain in the Detroit area called "Cunninghams".
Now, damn near every drug store in Amerikkka is either CVS, Walgreens or Rite Aid.
Getting a loan to start a drug store is now a much more daunting task. Who in hell can compete with Rite Aid and CVS?
This was the answer a couple of generations ago.
The system has grown into something else.
The issue of health care being tied to employment is a major problem.
If health care were sponsored by the government, as it is in EVERY (bar none) developed nation in the world EXCEPT the U.S.,
it would be much, much easier for one to consider striking out on one's own, as opposed to looking for someone to give one a job.
It's called corporatism!!! Capitalism doesn't exist. And quite frankly it never truly existed...
If you want to talk larger groups my first DJ residency was at a black owned bar in Castro Valley. One of my first jobs in San Francisco was handing out flyers for a black owned comedy theater. My first 1000+ show was through a black owned modelling/promotion company. First celebrity gig, Michael Che's birthday, was though a black promoter. I can't even begin to list all the black owned fitness companies in store fronts that I played for.
Black owned businesses face enormous pressures and obstacles that white owned companies don't. Poor capitalization is one of them. However entrepreneurs are problem solvers first and foremost. Not only have several black owned companies found a way to get past these issues, they've helped pave the way for others to follow.
Capitalism has a LOT of flaws. Especially the way it's carried out in America, but that system isn't changing any time soon. At the end of the day you either pimp it or get pimped by it.
And the reason it is resistant to change is precisely this mindset among those insightful enough
to recognize the system is horribly flawed.
Oh look, the usual trope pulled out to justify historical communist failures.
Communism has been tried MANY times, and it descends into authoritarian, oligarchical, and totalitarian regimes because you have to FORCE people into doing what YOU think is best for the country, and you can't let people who might have a different opinion have a voice.
Whats the trade off for this system? Higher taxes? Less freedom?
Redistribution of wealth. Person in the factor building the car getting paid the same amount as the ceo who didn't do shit.
Any country where communism has failed as u say is only because America made sure of that failure. Health care in these failure of a countries still miles better than the US. America won't let a communist country succeed
I beg to differ.
Capitalism does exist. Multinational corporations are a natural extension of capitalism.
Extreme emphasis on profit, at all costs, is why we just witnessed another mile wide tornado, this time one with
a 200 mile path. That is not a typo.
It is the reason the Great Lakes, the largest body of fresh water on the planet, is dotted with nuclear power plants. One meltdown could render 25 percent of the Earth's fresh water unfit for consumption, for as many as 250,000 years.
It is the reason Exxon has YET to answer for the crime against nature that was the Valdiz oil spill.
The scotus, as well as the republinazi senators that put 6 of them there, are financed by these same multinational corporations.
They are the reason Roe v. Wade is about to be rescinded.
And they exist precisely as a result to nations catering to them, because they ultimately represent obscene global profit.
Unregulated capitalism is why it is legal to own politicians in the USA.
It is a cancer that erodes the cultural, economic. and social well being of a society.
As a nation, we are currently in stage 4.
This is simply not true.
I have provided you with an explanation as to the erroneous nature of the term.
It is as if the point were sent by stealth fighter; it clearly passed undetected.
What has been tried has been called communism, just in the way our system is called a democracy.
Neither case was true, never was intended to be.
I was simply pointing out that your comparisons are false.
Your response is typical of the bullshit republicans, libertarians (repubs that like pussy and getting high), and generally the occasional confused black idiot espouse:
There is always a categorization of what someone telling truths they dislike: words like "trope" "race card" are examples.
They always double down on what has just been demonstrated to be bullshit, as if there denial is enough to establish they have won the argument.
I am not stupid, nor patient enough to argue with those of your ilk, as it is not productive.
It IS productive, however, to point out that you are full of shit, as this exchange, to a reasonably educated reader,
clearly demonstrates.
Cuba educates more doctors than any nation on the planet.
Cuba struggles because of the USA. Period.
Cuba was and is communist in name only. It was a dictatorship.
I am unsure of the nature of the government today.
The government Cuba had prior to Castro was racist and apartheid.
Cuba's literacy rate is near, if not, 100 percent.
Capitalism has never existed; there is no such thing as "free markets" which is the basis of what capitalism is based on. The US government has always been and will always be involved in every single industry; that shit is a lie that they keep perpetuating to trick and confused people; just because there are profits being made by companies, that doesnt make it capitalism; it is called corporatism; corporations run this government, they run the country, they run the world, period...they make the laws and rules; its really not that hard to see or grasp; but again we focus on things that dont matter or what these corporations want us to focus on...
And who gets to redistribute the wealth? Let me guess...the politicians? LMAO
The politicians in those countries that "redistribute wealth" seem to always redistribute it into their own evil western capitalist bank accounts.
I think this is an erroneous assumption. Conservatives, republicans, and the like have convinced us that "free markets" are essential to capitalism, just as they have convinced us the 2nd amendment means an 18 year old should be able to own a grenade launcher.
It is not. They are not mutually inclusive.
Capitalism is an economic system that favors those that own (privately, this is an essential element) the means of production, e.g. capital. Capital can take the form of money, real estate, and other tangible resources (people, as slaves, at one time).
The definition does not specify a "free market".
Corporations are indeed running the world at this point. But in China, the government runs the corporations.
They call this communism. It is a modified, or mixed derivative of communism, but it is not communism.
Corporations have been empowered by unregulated capitalism.
Do you know any black Cubans? I do. They weren't shedding tears when Castro died.
Have you seen what the government has looked like in the 60+ years Castro was in power? Its never been a beacon of diversity
Those doctors?
Cuban Doctors Revolt: ‘You Get Tired of Being a Slave’
RIO DE JANEIRO — In a rare act of collective defiance, scores of Cuban doctors working overseas to make money for their families and their country are suing to break ranks with the Cuban government, demanding to be released from what one judge called a “form of slave labor.”
Thousands of Cuban doctors work abroad under contracts with the Cuban authorities. Countries like Brazil pay the island’s Communist government millions of dollars every month to provide the medical services, effectively making the doctors Cuba’s most valuable export.
But the doctors get a small cut of that money, and a growing number of them in Brazil have begun to rebel. In the last year, at least 150 Cuban doctors have filed lawsuits in Brazilian courts to challenge the arrangement, demanding to be treated as independent contractors who earn full salaries, not agents of the Cuban state.
“When you leave Cuba for the first time, you discover many things that you had been blind to,” said Yaili Jiménez Gutierrez, one of the doctors who filed suit. “There comes a time when you get tired of being a slave.”
I never said it was a perfect, or even good system.
It was, and likely still is, a dictatorship.
It is not communism.
That was the point.
You seem to be arguing with yourself.
By the way, if you truly have a well reasoned point, why do you need
links from sites I will not click on to support your position?
This often signifies someone who repeats what he has heard as truth, as opposed to some one
who truly understands the subject about which he argues.
Just sayin'.
No, corporations have been empowered by the government, period; if the government would actually govern then corporations would not control the world; corporations run everything; China wouldnt even be in any discussion if it wasnt for corporations; why because corporations dont want to pay people; so they run to where they dont have to pay people...China; all that definition jargon is just that; again there has never been "free markets" and probably will never be; but its all good; the beauty in the madness is if one maneuvers correctly one can come up...
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