Kamala Harris's approval rating falls to 28%, a historic low for any modern vice president

Hmm...I wonder why people hate the Black VP? :hmm:

Where is the Black VP? I don't think one has been elected yet.

She's an empty suit?

:yes:

People don't like her optics. She's not visible and when she is visible it is always some bs or controversy involved.


Actually, yes you can. The biggest difference between Pence and Harris, other than race, gender, and party affiliation is that the base of the elected president liked and supported what they were doing so, being a reflection of that and an echo chamber of sorts effects people's opinions of you.

She's gonna get knocked by Republicans, that's a given. But, when she's knocked by her own party, then that's precieved poor performance. If you look at the data, only 36% of people 30 and under gave her a positive rating.

Think about this, she's in charge of the border, but she's been super silent and took months to visit for the first time. The Haitian border thing doesn't help at all either.

Her biggest problem is that people can never tell if it's the real her. She feels too much like a politician. Black folk look at her with the side eye due to her silence on black issues. Notice that she hasn't mentioned any black since the election. During the election it was HBCUs, black Greeks, I'm black, my dad's Jamaican, I listen to Tupac, etc. Now??

She needs a complete overhaul before the next election or the democrats will see the worst loss in history to the Republicans.

:bravo:

Man, get the fuck out of here with that bullshit. You can't get worse in this spineless piece of shit that was Mike Pence. If you wasn't complaining every day about Trump and bitch-ass Pence I want to hear your mouth

Trump and Pence weren't being forced down my throat as people I should vote for and who'd have the best interests of the Black community at heart.

They hate she went to Howard....

Has she mentioned Howard or AKAs since being elected? Talked about the student housing protests at Howard (which BGOL has been conspicuously silent about as well). Anything about HBCUs period?

Yo OP why haven't you respond to my comment in the other political thread

What comment? Lank please. Or tag me in it again.

Even if trump gets back in again, that fucker won't live long enough to get dug in too deep.

Jared can take over.

Perhaps you never heard of FDR.

The main problem is that one party is effectively the American nazi party now. The other is what passes for the party of the people, what would be called the "labor" party in Europe. However, they are compromised by corporate democrats: Obama, Biden, Pelosi, et. cetera.

As for parties working against one another, I WANT a party to work against the party of nazis.

Unfortunately, the Democratic party is rife with geldings, hell bent on using the Obama style of political combat:
savagely beat the living dog shit out of your opponent's knees with your nuts. Eventually, bipartisanship will ensue.

Hasn't worked. Doesn't work. Won't work. Ever.

Anyone who has dealt with a bully knows this.

:yes:

Business Insider is not a reputable source of information.

The poll is from USA Today and Suffolk University. Gotta love this "fake news"

What was Richard Cheney approval rating? Patiently waiting

Why patiently wait for something you could have read in the original post?

"The closest comparison — which involves slightly different methodology and margins of error — would be former Vice President Dick Cheney, the most unpopular US vice president in polling history. He bottomed out at 30% in Gallup's tracking survey, but that wasn't until the end of former President George W. Bush's second term in 2007."
 
30 years ago, Obama ,the Clintons and Biden would have been considered moderate republicans, based on their policies.

This mind set is precisely why the republinazi party is successful in curtailing voting rights, abortion rights, and promoting white supremacy, de facto and de jure.

If you cannot tell the difference between the republican party today, and the republican party 30 years ago, you are clearly not paying attention.

Actually I am paying attention. I'm watching the cost of living. I'm watching crime rates. I'm watching foreign policy. I'm watching the environment. I'm watching the market. I'm also watching the man in the mirror. None of what you mentioned effects me whether it comes from the left or from the right. Not because I'm better or smarter. Its because I have always focused on surviving despite the party that's in control, instead of bending over for one of them.
 
Where is the Black VP? I don't think one has been elected yet.



:yes:



:bravo:



Trump and Pence weren't being forced down my throat as people I should vote for and who'd have the best interests of the Black community at heart.



Has she mentioned Howard or AKAs since being elected? Talked about the student housing protests at Howard (which BGOL has been conspicuously silent about as well). Anything about HBCUs period?



What comment? Lank please. Or tag me in it again.



Jared can take over.



:yes:



The poll is from USA Today and Suffolk University. Gotta love this "fake news"



Why patiently wait for something you could have read in the original post?

"The closest comparison — which involves slightly different methodology and margins of error — would be former Vice President Dick Cheney, the most unpopular US vice president in polling history. He bottomed out at 30% in Gallup's tracking survey, but that wasn't until the end of former President George W. Bush's second term in 2007."

Several times she has mentioned Howard. Hell she was at the Howard vs. Hampton game here in DC that was nationally televised or it was atleast shown on tv in the DMV area.

I know several Howard alumni that have told me those students knew the dorms were being renovated before the school year started. It's a money grab and hustle by those kids who are setting up GoFundME campaigns. Not saying the conditions are great, but I can only go off of what people who are connected to the school and WENT to school at Howard have told me....
 
Sounds like you and I are around the same age. This GOP is a different animal altogether. The modern day Republican Party has become the Trump party. Q-Anon people who conspired to orchestrate the Jan 6th domestic terrorist attack on the Capitol are not only in Congress but are among the most popular figures in the party (Marjorie Taylor Greene). We are in the middle of a slow moving coup.
Then my suggestion to you would be to get tooled up and prepared for the revolution this country has needed for 3 generations.
 
"None of what you mentioned effects me whether it comes from the left or from the right."

This is what I would expect to hear from a 19 year old. No point in further discussion. Good luck to you.

To others who read this: this is part of the problem. Americans are woefully uninformed, and seem to think what happened in WWII Germany cannot happen here. In fact, nazis studied the U.S. system of apartheid BEFORE they started burning jews. Apathy among the U.S. citizenry is what nazis COUNT ON. And we are giving it to them in abundance. This is why we are in the situation we are in now.
 

Naw, you're wrong. There are 3 paths foreword.
  1. Continue as this country always has with politics leaning either to the left or to the right. That's all any of us know in our lifetimes.
  2. Complete domination by one of the existing two political ideologies.
  3. Revolution and the installation of a new political order.
Most likely we'll get #1. Just more of the same as we all move forward slowly as a society. Its all any of us knows. If we get # 2, that will be the de facto precursor to #3. Its just a matter of how long it will take to get there. It may take some years or decades. The reason I may come across as apathetic is because most people are frightened and don't have the stomach for #3. That's both sides. Let's say the right does rise up and attempt a real coup. Try to remember that the left has the numbers and that the corporate resources needed to wage a coup are politically neutral as long as the checks clear. This is still the most armed nation in the world and whether any one wants to admit it or not both sides lose in a coup. The world is watching and waiting for this to happen. The adults in the room know this. Once the right takes over, keeping the left in check will become a full time job that will destroy the country. The Russians and Chinese and North Koreans can't wait for this to happen. Do you really think the idiots in this country are dumb enough to hand it all over to a foreign power just because they lost some political power at the national level? I don't think its me that's uninformed brother. I think you may want to open a few books yourself.
 
Approval for what? Vice president doesn't do shit
Neither Biden nor Harris are who the people really wanted. The people wanted CHANGE, for real, not just in the form of pretty words, as was the case with Obama.

Not once, but twice, the powers that be in the Democratic Party, made sure the people's candidate, Bernie Sanders, was taken out of contention, not merely by appealing to voters, but via backroom deals made in order to keep moderate (read USELESS, CORPORATE SHILLS) in power.

This is how tRump got elected. This is why the democrats will lose the next presidential election.

If the people don't get the CHANGE they want, they will opt for the CHANGE they can get. They took Sanders out of contention; the only candidate representing CHANGE left was the orange nazi.

As stated so eloquently by Cornell West, (regarding Obama's election), we thought we were voting for John Coltrane. We got Kenny G.

"Kenny" is back, just this time, not black.
Truth
 
Then my suggestion to you would be to get tooled up and prepared for the revolution this country has needed for 3 generations.
Thinking about what you're saying.

I'm also thinking about what we can do now to keep things from getting to that point. The problem is that the opposition has a strategy with financial backers and media complicity to carry out the preliminary brainwashing (ie: race baiting with CRT and "woke culture", "stop the steal", busing in anti-mask/anti-vax protesters to school board hearings) and has paid "Democratic" plants in Congress (Manchin, Sinema) to stifle forward motion on the left. The Democrats and the left might play a weak defense sometimes, but the offense never truly flexes and isn't organized and isn't bold. The constituency has been passive and had on blinders. Hence their electing the worst of all possible choices in the Democratic primaries, instead of someone bold, not sold out and committed to a strong progressive agenda to counter the strong moves towards authoritarianism on the right.

For sure it will be up to the people to push the change that the majority of the country wants. But it's gonna take more than sitting around and complaining and worrying.
 
Naw, you're wrong. There are 3 paths foreword.
  1. Continue as this country always has with politics leaning either to the left or to the right. That's all any of us know in our lifetimes.
  2. Complete domination by one of the existing two political ideologies.
  3. Revolution and the installation of a new political order.
Most likely we'll get #1. Just more of the same as we all move forward slowly as a society. Its all any of us knows. If we get # 2, that will be the de facto precursor to #3. Its just a matter of how long it will take to get there. It may take some years or decades. The reason I may come across as apathetic is because most people are frightened and don't have the stomach for #3. That's both sides. Let's say the right does rise up and attempt a real coup. Try to remember that the left has the numbers and that the corporate resources needed to wage a coup are politically neutral as long as the checks clear. This is still the most armed nation in the world and whether any one wants to admit it or not both sides lose in a coup. The world is watching and waiting for this to happen. The adults in the room know this. Once the right takes over, keeping the left in check will become a full time job that will destroy the country. The Russians and Chinese and North Koreans can't wait for this to happen. Do you really think the idiots in this country are dumb enough to hand it all over to a foreign power just because they lost some political power at the national level? I don't think its me that's uninformed brother. I think you may want to open a few books yourself.

Finally...a counter argument worthy of debate...

#1 This nation has ALWAYS been dominated by the right: slavery, genocide, patriarchy-all hallmarks of right wing authoritarianism. Additionally, if you look at the Central and South American countries which have suffered intervention from the U.S. in their politics, the U.S. has, in EVERY SINGLE CASE, supported the far right wing of every political struggle.

#2 The corporate resources support the RIGHT: this is why CNN and MsNBC don't want to talk about where the dark money supporting right wing extremists originate: multinational corporations. Do some research on who supports right wing causes and candidates. You might be surprised to find the money leads to corporations that OWN most of the major U.S. corporations you allude to. This is why they don't talk about global warming on MsNBC, nor CNN. As for the numbers being on our side, I can guarantee you that 100 people with AR15s can take on 1000 people armed with copies of the constitution.

#3 Don't know if you have seen the videos, but the right is ALREADY engaged in violence against those who would oppose them, e.g. the coup of January 6, the murder of protesters, and the murder by police of unarmed black people across the nation.
They CLEARLY not only have the stomach for direct, physical combat, they are engaging in it as we are communication right now. This is EXACTLY what the brown shirts did in Germany, and the black shirts did in Italy under Mussolini.

And lastly, January 6 WAS a real coup. It was not successful.
What does one call an unsuccessful coup that goes unpunished? A rehearsal.

As for the books... I actually taught social studies, formerly know as civics for more than a decade in a previous life.

I await your rebuttal.
 
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Thinking about what you're saying.

I'm also thinking about what we can do now to keep things from getting to that point. The problem is that the opposition has a strategy with financial backers and media complicity to carry out the preliminary brainwashing (ie: race baiting with CRT and "woke culture", "stop the steal", busing in anti-mask/anti-vax protesters to school board hearings) and has paid "Democratic" plants in Congress (Manchin, Sinema) to stifle forward motion on the left. The Democrats and the left might play a weak defense sometimes, but the offense never truly flexes and isn't organized and isn't bold. The constituency has been passive and had on blinders. Hence their electing the worst of all possible choices in the Democratic primaries, instead of someone bold, not sold out and committed to a strong progressive agenda to counter the strong moves towards authoritarianism on the right.

For sure it will be up to the people to push the change that the majority of the country wants. But it's gonna take more than sitting around and complaining and worrying.

Agreed. The complaints you have about the dems are older than both of us. This is nothing new. That's why I've always taken a pragmatic approach to it. Either insulate myself from the policies of a corrupt government or be prepared fight in the streets for change. For me, those are the only two options. Anything else is an exercise in futility. And history has clearly shown it.
 
Thinking about what you're saying.

I'm also thinking about what we can do now to keep things from getting to that point. The problem is that the opposition has a strategy with financial backers and media complicity to carry out the preliminary brainwashing (ie: race baiting with CRT and "woke culture", "stop the steal", busing in anti-mask/anti-vax protesters to school board hearings) and has paid "Democratic" plants in Congress (Manchin, Sinema) to stifle forward motion on the left. The Democrats and the left might play a weak defense sometimes, but the offense never truly flexes and isn't organized and isn't bold. The constituency has been passive and had on blinders. Hence their electing the worst of all possible choices in the Democratic primaries, instead of someone bold, not sold out and committed to a strong progressive agenda to counter the strong moves towards authoritarianism on the right.

For sure it will be up to the people to push the change that the majority of the country wants. But it's gonna take more than sitting around and complaining and worrying.

Absolutely.
 
Agreed. The complaints you have about the dems are older than both of us. This is nothing new. That's why I've always taken a pragmatic approach to it. Either insulate myself from the policies of a corrupt government or be prepared fight in the streets for change. For me, those are the only two options. Anything else is an exercise in futility. And history has clearly shown it.

And how does one insulate? The only thing a bully understands is a bloody nose. I would opt for preparing to fight. The other side is already literally killing us at will, with little in the way of repercussions.
 
There was an extensive survey done of every day citizens of Germany post WWII.
The question was posed as to how they let nazis take over and do what they did.

The general consensus was that the insults to civil society were so subtle, and so gradual,
that by the time they realized they were in the grip of the serpent, it had already cut off their
air supply, in a manner of speaking.

What the right has done in the last 10 years would have literally had people in the streets looking for blood
in 1975. Now, a congressional subpoena means nothing, a rapist and avowed racist was our last president, and
several members of congress are openly supporting a coup.

The serpent is constricting, and too many of us think it will reconsider and become vegetarian.

Ain't happenin'.
 
Finally...a counter argument worthy of debate...

#1 This nation has ALWAYS been dominated by the right: slavery, genocide, patriarchy-all hallmarks of right wing authoritarianism. Additionally, if you look at the Central and South American countries which have suffered intervention from the U.S. in their politics, the U.S. has, in EVERY SINGLE CASE, supported the far right wing of every political struggle.

#2 The corporate resources support the RIGHT: this is why CNN and MsNBC don't want to talk about where the dark money supporting right wing extremists originate: multinational corporations. Do some research on who supports right wing causes and candidates. You might be surprised to find the money leads to corporations that OWN most of the major U.S. corporations you allude to. This is why they don't talk about global warming on MsNBC, nor CNN. As for the numbers being on our side, I can guarantee you that 100 people with AR15s can take on 1000 people armed with copies of the constitution.

#3 Don't know if you have seen the videos, but the right is ALREADY engaged in violence against those who would oppose them, e.g. the coup of January 6, the murder of protesters, and the murder by police of unarmed black people across the nation.
They CLEARLY not only have the stomach for direct, physical combat, they are engaging in it as we are communication right now. This is EXACTLY what the brown shirts did in Germany, and the black shirts did in Italy under Mussolini.

And lastly, January 6 WAS a real coup. It was not successful.
What does one call an unsuccessful coup that goes unpunished? A rehearsal.

As for the books... I actually taught social studies, formerly know as civics for more than a decade in a previous life.

I await your rebuttal.

Oh we've got another thinker in the room!

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1. The civil war stands as the best example ever of which ideology gets the last word in this country. The Union was motivated and agitated by the leftist abolitionist and underpinned by a majority that didn't want to see the country torn apart over the free labor advantage of slavery. Everything you mentioned was tried and defeated. The reason the US backs authoritarian strong men in the Latin America boils down to expediency and racism. Its oh so much easier to control one loud puppet than to negotiate with all those unsophisticated brown people.

2. I'll concede that corporate money may have some right leanings but again its about money. Its easier to control and influence a few powerful people at the top than to have to deal with the opinions of the group (unions). Also I don't use inclusive pronouns when I mention the dems. I don't consider myself a dem or republican. So in my mind there's no "us" or "our". Its just oppression from the left and the right. Don't get it twisted. Just because the racist far right crazies are known for being pro gun doesn't mean the rest of the people are only armed with their rights and good feelings. I know a lot of dems but I don't know any unarmed ones.

3. I agree that people are dying in the streets all the time. The sobering part of that truism is that democrats are in positions (mayors/governers/DAs)to do something about it and they haven't. I find it hard to believe that if black lives were a real priority to the democratic party, they wouldn't jump on this low hanging fruit and send a signal that this shit won't be tolerated.

Like I said in another post: I either insulate myself from the policies of a corrupt government or be prepared fight in the streets for change. For me, those are the only two options. Anything else is an exercise in futility. And history has clearly shown it.
 
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Other than cable news wenches, who was ever "excited" about Harris? It was for damn sure not the voters or she wouldn't have been polling below Andrew Yang before she dropped out of the presidential. :smh: :lol:Not a fan of wenches generally but this one really rubbed me the wrong way with all of her "person of color" talk while simultaneously trying to run as the reincarnation of Shirley Chisholm. :smh:

Joe Biden wasn't the best candidate nor my first choice but he was the perfect one for defeating Trump. Democrats need to find somebody for 2024 because it will be a disaster if she is anywhere near the ticket.

How is the VP's office this messy 6 months in?https://www.politico.com/news/2021/06/30/kamala-harris-office-dissent-497290
 
Oh we've got another thinker in the room!

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1. The civil war stands as the best example ever of which ideology gets the last word in this country. The Union was motivated and agitated by the leftist abolitionist and underpinned by a majority that didn't want to see the country torn apart over the free labor advantage of slavery. Everything you mentioned was tried and defeated. The reason the US backs authoritarian strong men in the Latin America boils down to expediency and racism. Its oh so much easier to control one loud puppet than to negotiate with all those unsophisticated brown people people.

2. I'll concede that corporate money may have some right leanings but again its about money. Its easier to control and influence a few powerful people at the top than to have to deal with the opinions of the group (unions). Also I don't use inclusive pronouns when I mention the dems. I don't consider myself a dem or republican. So in my mind there's no "us" or "our". Its just oppression from the left and the right. Don't get it twisted. Just because the racist far right crazies are known for being pro gun doesn't mean the rest of the people are only armed with their rights and good feelings. I know a lot of dems but I don't know any unarmed ones.

3. I agree that people are dying in the streets all the time. The sobering part of that truism is that democrats are in positions (mayors/governers/DAs)to do something about it and they haven't. I find it hard to believe that if black lives were a real priority to the democratic party, they wouldn't jump on this low hanging fruit and send a signal that this shit won't be tolerated.

Like I said in another post: I either insulate myself from the policies of a corrupt government or be prepared fight in the streets for change. For me, those are the only two options. Anything else is an exercise in futility. And history has clearly shown it.

Interesting take. I will rejoin this discussion later. I have an appointment to keep.

Peace.
 
That’s a great point. What has she done for Howard since being in office? The SGA even went at her.

Democrats with another loss. :smh:
Shit that applies to a lot of famous and not famous alumni for HBCU’s. Plenty of folks don’t do shit for their alma mater hence why so many HBCUS endowments are low asf!
 
None of the pass Vice President was great. Pence, Cheney Crook, Popa Bush Crook, Nixon Crook, Ford :confused: Gore, Biden, Dan Quayle couldn't spell, terrible. Easy on the sista who said she was smoking weed in college listening to Tupac. Especially when Tupac was even out yet.:lol:
Fuck that lol Atleast Cheney crooked ass got broke off millions off the death of American soldiers. Nigga optimized his VP privileges to the FULLEST.

That nigga made so much off that war,nigga was breaking George Washington University money left and right.
 
And how does one insulate? The only thing a bully understands is a bloody nose. I would opt for preparing to fight. The other side is already literally killing us at will, with little in the way of repercussions.
In a country of 330,000,000 people its reasonable to believe you can live a lifetime here and rarely be confronted by the worst ideological elements of this society. When I say insulated I mean living the kind of life that keeps as few of the decisions of the government from affecting you as possible. For me that means staying on the right side of the law. Avoiding the courts. Keeping a steady source of income. Staying informed. Surrounding myself with likeminded people. Etc. That's worked in my life for the last 50 years.
 
There was an extensive survey done of every day citizens of Germany post WWII.
The question was posed as to how they let nazis take over and do what they did.

The general consensus was that the insults to civil society were so subtle, and so gradual,
that by the time they realized they were in the grip of the serpent, it had already cut off their
air supply, in a manner of speaking.

What the right has done in the last 10 years would have literally had people in the streets looking for blood
in 1975. Now, a congressional subpoena means nothing, a rapist and avowed racist was our last president, and
several members of congress are openly supporting a coup.

The serpent is constricting, and too many of us think it will reconsider and become vegetarian.

Ain't happenin'.

There were 80 million muthafuckas in Germany under Hitler. Of course its easier to lull all those idiots to sleep when everyone looks alike, sounds alike, points to the same history and culture. Homogeny fucked them bad. America has dozens of cultures, languages, ideologies and 4 times and many people with guns and social media. I would never compare the propaganda efforts of the nazis on their likeminded white, racist masses to what it would take to put a true melting pot like the US on the path to destruction. Getting American hearts and minds on the same page is a completely different animal.
 
There's a lot of good reasons for this.

The biggest problem is that we're used to populists running our government. Biden and Harris are the opposite.

There used to be a time when a voter might say "yes, I'm a republican, but President Clinton is doing a good job." That all changed when Barack Obama took office. Now it's at the point where anybody with a D beside their name is vilified by at least half the country.

Elections are about popularity, but actually governing is about getting things done that makes your people's life better. Doing this often requires you to risk pissing off your public. Especially for the problems we're facing right now.

Keep in mind that when Biden and Harris got elected we were at the ass end of a century defining pandemic, global warming went from a distant concept to do a daily reality, we're facing the consequences of our broken immigration system, the start of the new labor movement, and the Civil Rights movement is raging with a passion not seen since the 1960s.

There is no way that any administration could deal with all of this at once. If they tried they would have accomplished nothing. Therefore it seems as if certain issues are getting ignored so the people affected by these issues are going to give a bad review.
 
The reason why Biden approval ratings are low and Harris is because Biden promised all kinds of shit like $15 dollar minimum wage, canceling student debt, expending Medicare for all, etc And he has NOT done shit.

Democrats got everybody hype to vote and they have not done shit and they can’t do shit because they take so much money from Wall Street and Corporate America. So you can’t take money from greedy corporations and then act like your going to be the next FDR or a super progressive. Because things like $15 dollar minimum wage is something corporations don’t want.

Starting from 2022 the republicans will dominate. They will win back the house and senate. They might even win in 2024 and have a majority for the next 10-15 years.

Because after Biden the democrats bench is weak. They don’t have any charismatic leaders. They also can’t use the first black man or first black women hustle on black people to vote. Most blacks especially young blacks won’t be so loyal to the democrats like that.


What promises did Trump keep?

 
Finally...a counter argument worthy of debate...

#1 This nation has ALWAYS been dominated by the right: slavery, genocide, patriarchy-all hallmarks of right wing authoritarianism. Additionally, if you look at the Central and South American countries which have suffered intervention from the U.S. in their politics, the U.S. has, in EVERY SINGLE CASE, supported the far right wing of every political struggle.

#2 The corporate resources support the RIGHT: this is why CNN and MsNBC don't want to talk about where the dark money supporting right wing extremists originate: multinational corporations. Do some research on who supports right wing causes and candidates. You might be surprised to find the money leads to corporations that OWN most of the major U.S. corporations you allude to. This is why they don't talk about global warming on MsNBC, nor CNN. As for the numbers being on our side, I can guarantee you that 100 people with AR15s can take on 1000 people armed with copies of the constitution.

#3 Don't know if you have seen the videos, but the right is ALREADY engaged in violence against those who would oppose them, e.g. the coup of January 6, the murder of protesters, and the murder by police of unarmed black people across the nation.
They CLEARLY not only have the stomach for direct, physical combat, they are engaging in it as we are communication right now. This is EXACTLY what the brown shirts did in Germany, and the black shirts did in Italy under Mussolini.

And lastly, January 6 WAS a real coup. It was not successful.
What does one call an unsuccessful coup that goes unpunished? A rehearsal.

As for the books... I actually taught social studies, formerly know as civics for more than a decade in a previous life.

I await your rebuttal.


MSNBC talks about global warming and the climate crisis all the time. Chris Hayes had a climate special.
 
I haven't heard about her in a while.

What has she done to warrant a low popularity rating?


I think people were believing the RW propaganda that Biden was too senile to lead and that KH would be the one running things in the WH. Aside from Darth Cheney, none of the VP were visible, or even covered, unless they were making a blunder. Biden was always besides Obama looking on admiringly and seeming to show support and have his back, but he was only mentioned when something happened like saying BFD on a hot mic.
 
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