Good show tonight. My only complaint is they should've given Moxley/Suzuki more time. Way too short. Other than that the show solid. MJF stole the show tonight. He generated so much heat with that promo.
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What? I know you don't watch New Japan but Suzuki is a damn legend. The fans are eating it up because they watch New Japan too and know what a bad ass he is. That's why I like AEW fans because they watch and are knowledgeable of promotions outside of the American wrestling bubble. As a wrestling fan things shouldn't have to be spoon fed to you. Don't know who someone is? Find out and get educated on their work. With the internet now more than ever there's no excuse not to follow multiple promotions. When Kazuchika Okada, Tetsuya Naito, Kota Ibushi, etc eventually appear on Dynamite they're gonna pop for them too.
The match sucked and their selling during the match was trash. AEW fans ate it up though, again like a bunch of marks because in their eyes AEW can do no wrong.
I disagree, wrestling fans need to be spoon fed things, especially when the audience (in television) knows next to nothing about the guys they are trying to show off on their television programs.
Man, I really don't give a fuck about Japanese Wrestling for the same reason I don't give a fuck about Japanese Baseball.
Casual fans here stateside ain't checking Japanese wrestling like that, I mean, why should they, when you have American Wrestling promotions here?
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Thought he was Kenny King when I first saw him a while back. Happy for the brotha.
They could have at least shown a short video package letting those who don't know who he, what he's all about.
Excalibur wasn't on commentary last night, so he wasn't there to educate the audience, many of whom may be tuning in to AEW for the first time and also have no idea who he is.
AEW will only grow so big if everything is always on some IYKYK type shit.
First of all if you're a wrestling fan you are a "mark" so trying to use that term in a negative way is ridiculous. It's not about AEW doing no wrong in the eyes of AEW fans it's about knowing what you like and don't like. This fanbase loves Japanese wrestling so when Minoru Suzuki shows up on Dynamite it's a big fuckin deal.
The only people that need to be spoon fed things are people who are either too conditioned, pompous, or flat out lazy to follow other promotions outside of WWE.
AEW isn't built for casual fans; It's for fans who have a true love for professional wrestling not sports entertainment bullshit.
Why should they? Because Japanese wrestling has historically been some of the best wrestling on the planet. That's why!
Depends on if they care about courting the casual fan or not. Obviously there's a ceiling if you continue to focus only on pure pro wrestling fans, but Tony Kahn seems like a pure wrestling fan so I don't see them changing anytime soon. I do think they could be doing a better job in letting people know who's who and why the audience should care. Right now it seems like they play it as "If you know. You know." Which is fantastic if you're a wrestling nerd and deep into it.
Minoru Suzuki first showed up at the "All Out" ppv so that's plenty of time between this past Sunday and this Wednesday for people to research and find out who the man is. Hell, they even told you ahead of time that he's going to have a match against Moxley on Dynamite.
Excalibur shouldn't have to spoon feed you. If you're a new viewer then you're probably not gonna who Kenny Omega, Jungle Boy, Darby Allin, MJF is either. Should they run video packages for them too? At some point it's up to you to to get familiar with the talent.
Bro, it's not about "spoon feeding" anyone. It's just basic storytelling and TV production.
Yes, you need someone to explain to the audience who this non-American older wrestler is.
The other guys you mentioned are on TV every week (or almost every week) so need to explain who they since a new viewer can come back the following and learn who they are.
This match with Suzuki was probably a one-off match so he'll likely never be on their TV again. He's not a full-time AEW talent. Big difference.
That's the whole point. The whole concept behind AEW working with other promotions is to get the casual fan or any fan conditioned to watching other promotions. AEW wants to rid the casual fan of that isolationist WWE mindset where everything has to be spoon fed to you within the WWE bubble.
I know who he is and that match still was ass lol. Whether you know the background of someone or not shouldn't effect your enjoyment. The match just was ass but then again I've never been a fan of Moxley anyway and this fake Brian Pillman shit so maybe I'm biased.
Yeah I had no idea who he was did some research and then it made a little more sense why he was there....it was basically doing the same shit people accuse WWE of bringing in past legends lol.....it is what it is. Just wasn't entertaining to me.
If I may throw in a quick opinion, there has to be a way to not spoon feed but lure in people as well. Average person doesn't want to google something to not feel left out. Which makes WWE easier to digest. But spoon feeding has it's issues when your own fans know absolutely nothing about your own promotion (NXT). They wait to be told what to like and won't grow. Question is who will master this balance first.
This is starting to get out of hand.
That doesn't make much sense as you just erase the history that Adam Cole had in NXT.
Wow
SMH.....such a fucking outdated ass recycled ass shit they was gonna have him do no wonder he left.
That's so bad that I'm gonna give them the benefit of the doubt and say maybe that's bullshit.
The fact that they got all these writers and they can't come up with real wrestling stories shows they are washed
So how is AEW allowed to essentially sign anyone? Is it because they allow their wrestlers to wrestle for other programs?
Not all wrestling fans are marks. Some are just casual fans. You know damn well what I mean when I call them marks.
No. Anyone watching a TV show the first time with no reference should be given, by the producer of said television, a chance to catch up on the show. A quick recap or video does just that. AEW assumes their fans know who the fuck Suzuki was. Alright cool, whatabout the fans you want to grow. The ones who are watching AEW for the first time. They aren't doing new fans or prospective new fans any favors.
Then they shouldn't try to come off WWE's competition.
Because most don't have a connection to it. Bollywood may produce some of the best dance numbers ever done on celluloid, but I'm rolling with Michael Jackson's "Thriller" routine because that's what I know, what I have a connection with and what prefer.
Yeah, that match was not entertaining to me at all either. I get dude has been a big deal in Japan for a long time, but he just looked like some old Japanese guy with a fucked up haircut. LOL
I do like Moxley's entrance and theme song, but that's about it for me when it comes to him.
And does every match in AEW now have to have them exchanging forearm shots? I get it's a Japanese thing, but it's being done in damn near every match I see.
They're signing guys who's contracts (and accompanying non-compete) have expired.
Guys are choosing to go to AEW because of the money, lighter travel schedule and more creative control over their characters and storylines.
Being able to wrestle for other promotions is another bonus for the talent, but that's gonna bite Tony Khan in the ass at some point once one of his guys gets injured wrestling a weekend spot show in another promotion.
The "spoon feeding" I think is necessary as some people just don't know EVERY wrestler. Right now it is A LOT! NJPW, ROH, Impact WWE, GCW, NWA, etc... You factor in the PPV that they also have it is hard to keep up. So as it seems that everyone not islanding themselves off from every other promotion only helps the wrestlers push even more.
But you KNOW there is a Bollywood version of it right? I think KNOWING of other promotions and FOLLOWING other promotions are worlds apart. It seems like you two are arguing two different points that will never meet.
I don't have time to watch EVERY NJPW show, I know the bigger names and KNOW OF the lesser ones. But a wrestler that I don't know just a quick blurb about where they come from is always helpful.
That's why they should load up on talent. Having a good rotation of guys makes it easier to fill out a card, if Moxley needs time to recover from an injury working GCW, or Hangman needs paternity leave, or Bryan wants to work Japan for a few weeks.
You ain't gotta have people working with injuries like CM Punk, or have this being glaring hole on a card that you gotta fill with a jobber like Carmella/Bianca.
They were able to have a bomb ass PPV without two of their bigger names, Cody and Hangman, and then they can come back and it ain't shit for them to pick up where they left off. Because the fans are so occupied with what's going on in their absence, they're not really missing those guys when they're gone.
Casual wrestling fans don't know nor follow them though.
AEW is going to eventually have to expand their shows or do a separate brand.
There are wrestlers who go unseen for months and happen to show up out of no where.
For instance, early this year, they were doing a storyline with that zombie bitch Abadon going after Shida... Abadon disappears suddenly, Shida loses title....
Abadon appears at the womens battle royal at All Out.
Same thing has happened with a ton of their talent. They have all these wrestlers that you just don't see.
Loading up on talent but not doing anything with them does nothing to excite the fan base.
Basically what WCW did back in the early nWo days where they signed damn near anyone with a WWF history....
It's cool but there is only so much you can do with a loaded roster and three hours of TV time.
I think his point was that you're calling people marks like you ain't one. You a mark!
A casual wrestling fan is somebody who occasionally watches the shit to see a specific person wrestle, or a specific match because of hype, or somebody they know is watching the shit so they watch it with them.
If you're in this thread weekly, talking about every show, following the shit regardless if you even like it or not, you're a mark.
No. There's a difference.
I follow wrestling but wouldn't consider myself a mark. I know American wrestling but couldn't name champions of international promotions the way a mark would.
A mark is someone who knows who the fuck Suzuki was prior to his shitty ass match with Moxley, because they follow NJPW, ROH, Impact, AAA, CMLL, etc...
I'm a wrestling fan. Not a casual fan, someone who follows it. A mark sees no wrong in the promotions they love. I'm critical of AEW and WWE when they deserve it.
A mark never complains and worships the ground their favorite promotion walks on.
Like all those fans sitting in the arena last night losing their shit watching Mr. Miyagi's former friend/nemesis Sato from Karate Kid Pt. II "fight" John Moxley in Cincinnati.
Watching aew now...
I'm just wondering if punk was away to long...
I'm just wondering if punk was away to long...
Abadon? Really?
Honestly, some of these people just ain't it. They have people they just ain't gone be shit, and that's ok. You need role players just like you need stars.
She seems like a nice lady, but don't nobody wanna see that shit. You know damn well ain't nobody missing Abadon, man.
Abadon can be on Dark. Sonny Kiss can be on Dark. Luther, Serpentico, Gunn Club, Diamante - Dark.
They'll get an occasional spot on Dynamite or a Battle Royal spot, and that's all they really need.
Wake me up when they start treating Sammy and Ricky Starks like that.