Sounds more of an ethical thing.
I don’t agree using the money to live lavishly, however I know some of that money pays for them to live. Does it changed if they used some of their salary for investments?
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Sounds more of an ethical thing.
I don’t agree using the money to live lavishly, however I know some of that money pays for them to live. Does it changed if they used some of their salary for investments?
Not at all
and its complicated I worked in public service
I don't want to get too deep (sidebar: cause all the COLLEGE BOWLS are considered NON PROFITS. SO let that settle in)
but first to answer your question..
OVERALL this type of work is NOT supposed to make you a millionaire but it shouldn't make you a damn client yourself.
However...this is where it gets tricky
PERCEPTION.
the clients THEMSELVES don't want you to look POOR.
In fact they WANT you to "appear" well off"
is it inspirational? delusional? racist? class bias?
I don't know but even a local preacher will tell you the "people" like to see the shine.
So front line folk were encouraged to dress "casual" but every meeting, get together fund raiser whatever...get SUIT UP. Which in a way is kinda counter intuitive right?
We asking these rich white folk to donate money to help the poorest of us...
but make sure they clean and dressed to the nines cause you now...optics.
Cause you know, They don't REALLY want to be around any POOR LOOKING folk.
Damn. I wanna fuck the shit outta her thick ass.
All of that ^^^ to say that the 3.7 number is unable to be substantiated.Let ME start at the good part first. You said:
I did.
In the previous posts you said:
"Two, you would have to believe that Black trans people are being targeted for being trans. I do not. They are targeted for being Black."
and
"They literally have every incentive to say they are targeted more than anyone else. They are doing the leap-frogging of Black people that got them their newfound power in the first place. NOBODY heard a trans person place their Blackness first until the protest last summer. (Black Trans Lives Matter)."
You did say, "I think" or "I believe", true. But though I'm interested in what you personally believe, I'm even more interested in what data outside of your personal opinion indicates. I challenged both of your above bolded statements. We both know that Black folks get targeted by police for being Black. However you are speaking as if people can only be targeted for one thing at a time. Neither of us are inside the minds of the cops or people who commit violence against LGBTQ. Neither of us are experts on the subject of LGBTQ and trans people being targeted for violence. Therefore since we are discussing the topic, it might be worth us both looking at the data on it, which for the purpose of education, I'm willing to do.
I gave you a list of types of individuals: Black men, Black women, Black poor and Latino poor to illustrate that are instances in which groups are uniquely targeted for discrimination because of the combinations of those things that they are. I will add to the list Black elderly folks.
It is factual that all the above groups can simultaneously experience discrimination because of both of those things that they are. But you seem to believe that when trans Black people are killed or brutalized by police that the trans part has nothing to do with it- that they cannot be discriminated against for both things at the same time. If that is your position and you stick to it, I can't say more than I already have.
Your second bolded statement wasn't spoken as an opinion but as a declaration of fact. I challenged it by giving you a historical reference from 50 years ago, that indeed this exact subject was highly publicized and that it's not a recent trendy thing that just popped up last summer. Many articles, documentaries, eyewitness accounts and a number of movies have been made about it. If anything, last summer's explosion of BLM energized other marginalized groups to seek justice for their own whom they know have been killed, brutalized or unfairly treated by police.
Regarding the 3.7 stat, I said to you in my first reply to you:
I didn't say it because I was trying to trap you. I actually wanted to see if you, like I upon my re-examining the Vox link and the link connected to the 3.7 figure, noticed that there was no mention as to specifically how they came about those numbers. In my most recent message to you, I acknowledged the lack of detailed background information provided for the roadmap to that 3.7 claim, and acknowledged that it may or may not be accurate. For sure, that's enough to poke holes in it. Therefore I too reject it as a definitive source.
That's why immediately after asking you that question, I suggested that WE BOTH seek out information on the subject. The goals being (1).To find out more info on where that figure came about from and (2.) To see if we could find out more info on what's happening with the trans demographic and their encounters with law enforcement.
I'm always less interested in debate than I am in discussing subjects, hearing other viewpoints and hopefully mutually learning, which I will reiterate at the end of this message. That applies to this dialogue too.
You said:
What I try to do when I disagree with a claim someone makes here, is provide what I feel is reliable information that they can visit and click on. You are saying the onus is on me. Ok. I provided further information (which you rejected). I also indicated that more info was to come. Yet, you have not provided any outside information either in agreement or to the contrary to examine. It's all been your viewpoint only. The only person outside this immediate dialogue that you quoted was yourself. Interesting viewpoints to be sure, but you are still welcome to provide your own outside info.
So let's dig into the topic of researchable facts further.
First stop:
Law Enforcement Officers Killed and Assaulted (LEOKA)
UCR Publications | Federal Bureau of Investigation
The UCR Program publishes annual reports for each of its four data collections and a preliminary semiannual report of summary data each winter, as well as special compilations on cargo theft, human trafficking, and NIBRS topical studies.www.fbi.gov
An annual publication since 1972, the LEOKA report provides data on law enforcement officers who were feloniously killed, accidentally killed, and assaulted in the line of duty. This report includes summaries of incidents in which officers were feloniously killed in the line of duty. Similar summaries are included for select incidents in which victim officers were assaulted and injured with firearms or knives/other cutting instruments."
So then, since 1972 the Feds have provided the above data on police officers killed and assaulted in the line of duty.
Second stop:
Latest Hate Crime Statistics Report Released | Federal Bureau of Investigation
Latest report shows slight decrease in reported incidents, includes new data.www.fbi.gov
We see stated in this December 8, 2014 article:
"Hate Crime Statistics, 2013—the first UCR publication to contain data collected under the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crime Prevention Act of 2009—has a few changes from previous reports. First, biases against gender (male or female) and gender identity (transgender and gender nonconformity) have been added to the list of bias categories."
So then whereas, the Feds have kept detailed data on killings and assault against police officers for 49 years. They've only been compiling information on trans folks since 2013.
Third stop:
This article points out some of the difficulties in getting accurate data about hate crimes against transgender people
The subheading is telling:
Anti-transgender hate crimes soared 20 percent in 2019
Less than 15 percent of law enforcement departments nationwide report hate crime data to the FBI, stymying efforts to get an accurate picture of the crisis.www.nbcnews.com
"Less than 15 percent of law enforcement departments nationwide report hate crime data to the FBI, stymying efforts to get an accurate picture of the crisis."
In 2016, I encountered a cracka on FB who erroneously claimed that unarmed Black folks did not get disproportionately killed by police and that the FBI had said it. I linked him to a video interview with then FBI director Robert Mueller stating similar information to the above quote- or in other words that very few law enforcement departments nationwide report detailed data on police killing Black folks.
This could be one impediment to getting accurate numbers about trans people and it goes a long way to explaining why it then falls to advocate organizations for trans and LGBTQ advocate groups to do their own research and study and do their own surveys of members of their demographics and publish the results. Law enforcement simply is not cooperating with giving up info on their officers mistreatment of them or most other discriminated against groups.
You said
Actually it speaks several words about what we're discussing which is the issue of trans people encountering disproportionate amounts of police violence. I posted the article for you to see the table titled: "Experiences of Discrimination and Violence in Public Accommodations".
Within that table, relating to police officers: 20% said they were denied equal treatment, 29% said they were harassed or disrespected and 6% physically assaulted. But also to see what I saw in terms of astronomical rates of poverty and attempted suicide. I also wanted you to see another table entitled "Harassment and Assault by Police Due to Bias by Race" that by race compares incidents of discrimination and assault against trans folks by police.
My statement about Black people reporting on our own looks back further than the internet. It looks to a time when the dominant society had a confirmed history of not researching with any thoroughness and not accurately reporting on any precolonial African history and not reporting on what was current Africa at all for that matter and who regularly taught eugenics. They did not care to and were not providing accurate information about us. We took those reins ourselves and began that process.
It appears to me that the trans community, a small subgroup of the larger LGBTQ community might be in that same place today that our people were close to 3/4 of a century ago.
Summary:
I came into this thread to express my surprise, delight and appreciation for Patrice Cullors' big juicy tittays, My further participation in this thread was to dispel the lie that the fight for Black folks lives that BLM has represented for 8 years was all along only a front to advance an LGBTQ agenda. I rolled with one of the larger chapters and know that not to be true. Rather, I know firsthand many of the things they BLM has been doing to address directly the issues of lack of prosecution of murdering police, police reform and redress for victims. Since the inception of the group it has expanded out in a number of areas, one is addressing discrimination in police encounters with various LGBTQ groups. The group also addresses discrimination by law enforcement against disabled, Native Americans and Latinos. Considering that two of the three founders are LGBTQ women, it did not surprise me that they would look at police discrimination, brutality and murder against Black people who fit within that categorization. It seems logical that they would advocate on their behalf as well as heterosexual Black folks. BLM still remains firmly focused on tragic victims of police and extra-judicial violence against like George Floyd, Briona Taylor, whether high profile or not and remains firmly focused on police reform.
I'm glad that you did research to find that there was a scarcity of information from the greater society on the brutalization and murder of transgender people. That allowed me to find that out too and opened the doors us being able to dialogue on reasons for why that might be.
I hate debate. Always have. It's oneupmanship. That's not my desire with my fellow Black folk who are committed to freedom from oppression. We can disagree and that can spark a discussion. Great. However, within that dialogue I don't wish to bury good-hearted people and I'm not committed to pissing further than someone else. I dislike the dynamic of another not being able to admit when my point superceded theirs or they were simply proven wrong about something. Admissions like that show courage and maturity. There's no ego here. I'll admit when I was in error, and give you props for catching it. Also, it is not my desire to convert you to my religion, so to speak. It is my desire to hear you and to be heard- always with respect. I'm all about hearing, the possibility of mutual learning and hopefully finding common ground.
Hit me up when you're able to prove, with verifiable fact, that trans people are targeted for violence by police more than straight Black men.
That is all.
And here I actually thought you were worthy of a real conversation. Peace out.
I do NOT know the specifics of THIS case.
I can't say if she is a thief or not
but I DO KNOW you BETTER document EVERY PENNY cause you WILL be audited. SERIOUSLY.
90 Million in such a short time is AMAZING and overwhelming. She should be applauded. You have to WORK F*CKING hard to get that
OK now the hard part...
You CANNOT make 90 Million PUBLICLY during a damn PANDEMIC and think you aint gonna be scrutinized
the main reason the foundation the motivation for ALL THIS?
Are those SPECIFIC black lives/families who lost their loved ones
They MUST be VERY WELL TAKEN CARE of
You HAVE to open a trust fund on their behalf, have an annual fundraiser, employ them, invite them to board meetings, buy them a house, help them move, SOMETHING ANYTHING on THAT level
FIRST.
then we can get to everything else.
But for the public to think Patrisse gonna do all that work for $35 K a year is just complete and utter bullsh*t
I think the LGBTQ involvement in BLM plays a large part of the general mistrust too (rightly or wrongly)
But where I THINK Patrisse f*cked up especially with all this spotlight is to have a STRONG board with some celebrities and old school civil rights leaders on it to just help up with the PUBLIC stuff.
To make sure this all LOOKS on the up and up.
TRANSPARENCY is your friend in situations like this.
Create a program for straight black men named after the victims of police violence.
Donate money to predominately black schools and have classrooms, gyms, basketball courts, school buses, clinics NAMED after the victims.
she should have had MULTIPLE Women's health clinics renamed after Breonna Taylor All over the country by now.
Its ALL optics.
And most of this stuff?
Corporate Sponsors would have PAID for to be affiliated WITH BLM to make THEMSELVES look good.
so she would STILL get to KEEP the donation money
and all the work to get this stuff moving? EXPLAINS HER SALARY
Case close.
It was good to see @respiration get destroyed and outted as being a homosexual. No further comment needed from me on the subject or to address all of the LGBT sources he provided. He/she may even be a tranny based on the sites posted and should be banned for being an FTP by default.
To make her a martyr? No, but to throw her in jail for the rest of her life is more appropriate.
Thanks for the post. This person @respiration was posting source material from FTP websites and getting co-signed by alleged LGBT members @HeathCliff and @mangobob79 . That is ban worthy per BGOL rules of posting. Just goes to show how far the site has fallen and a microcosm of the real world.
not going to post the links but it is clear we have some posters having an internal battle and believe there are more than two genders AKA Luciferians as @silverhawk astutely pointed out.
You little homosexual cowardly bitch. lol. I've never been destroyed on here. Heart aflutter, you're living vicariously through a brotha who at least made a worthy attempt to challenge something he saw that I posted that he felt was flawed. You're not capable of even that, little dick rider. I'll bet valentine hearts popped up in front of your eyes and you clutched your pearls, you wannabe Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm faggot.
To be clear, I have no problem with Respiration.
I just can't agree with one thing he said and he was unable to provide anything to substantiate that claim.
For good measure, this conversation started because you lied and said BLM's interest in Black people murdered by police was only a front for an LGBTQ agenda. As if you've ever had any connection to them, personally. Which you haven't.
People who are actually out here doing the work towards the freedom of oppression for Black people don't sit up on message boards, spreading false rumors and shitting on other groups of people who actually are, you waste of skin.
I have no problem with you either. I appreciated your calling my attention to that. None of us are right 100% of the time.
However, I didn't appreciate your not addressing the other things I mentioned. But that's water under the bridge. My comments in this thread began with a reply to @VAiz4hustlaz in reply to his reply where XCactor lied about the agenda of BLM. The ultimate message of my commenting in this thread* is the reiteration that BLM is an organization that is working to eradicate a racist, murderous system of injustice and policing and to find justice for those killed under it. Folks may not like some of the flavors of it, but police reform and justice for Black victims are the substance of what it is.
Critique is fine and should always take place.
However, for individuals to lie about BLM with the intent on stirring others to believe the lie is counterproductive and smacks of either coonery, agency membership, whiteness or some combination of all three.
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*Aside from appreciating Patrice Cullors' tits.
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Keep my name out of this shit you funky crackkka. You mad cause you got your ass handed to you.
Respiration took your bitch ass behind the woodshed and put you down like a rabid dog and you can't even respond intelligently
Stay focused.
Exactly !
I wasn't interested in the rest of your debate with VAiz4hustlaz. This is what I think you're missing.
That's why I steadily implore you to stick to my disagreement and only that.
I find no reason to argue 10 different subjects around the one that struck my concern.
Basically, (and painfully once again, lol) unless you're providing me with the link to a source that can show that trans are 3.7 more like to be targeted by police than straight Black men, then I'm not interested. To me, it's like disregarding my request.
And how can you expect a man to continue to engage with you when the simplest of requests isn't honored?
But look, I aint trying to do the back and forth anymore.
If you get links, fine.
If not, also fine.
Peace fam.
bro, 10 years ago tranny attacks were the worse thing happening to BGOL \
now the D1's have made trannys tolerable
because the people they worship in Washington said so?But back to the topic someone said "how do we know she didnt purchase $4.2m properties with her own money"?
Like wtf!?
You dont remember when they bombed "rainbow wallstreet" in the 30s?
or that one time young Pat was lynched and beat because she/he whistled at a white man in 1945?
Hell that one period where America raided the Island of Lesbo in greece and enslaved all of those women?
The LGBTQXYZ have had it way worse than we Black people ever have had and are definitely worthy of the all the attention, laws and recognition they have gotten over us..
#BLM was already exposed by me in this thread. Their ENTIRE fundraising site is run by a so-called white Karen that works for the DNC but you LGBT agents in this thread are trying to misdirect.
Michael Brown’s father, Ferguson activists demand $20 MILLION from BLM
The father of Michael Brown and other activists from Ferguson, Missouri, are demanding financial support from Black Lives Matter after the organization revealed it raised over $90 million last year. Michael Brown Sr., whose son was fatally shot by a white police officer in August 2014, along...
www.bgol.us
Last question: why are all #BLM donations managed by ActBlue? A DNC (Democrat managed) organization? You agents are too easy to spot and expose because you really believe so-called black people don’t know how to read and research.
And my point is that for me, that though your and my debate began centered around the accuracy of the number in the Vox article, we ended up disagreeing with the central issue of whether or not police targeted trans Black people for being trans in addition to being Black. And it also expanded into the issue of whether they are conveniently crying victim to piggyback off the 2020 BLM explosion, as you suggested. I also gave some good reasoning into why there might a lack of data from mainstream sources.
The answers to those all the above are what you chose not to engage.
And here are you still mentioning links when I agreed with you several posts ago that the 3.7 number lacked reliability.
You wild style, man lol
My only dog in this race is and was BLM.
Already. STFU, coon.
PolitiFact: Conservative pundits share false claim about Black Lives Matter, ActBlue
ActBlue does not pocket donations that are facilitated by its platform — it ferries the money along to the organizations requesting it
Because it was purchased off the profit of black boys and men getting murdered. No doubt about it, even the numerology of 4.2 / 42 which is coded as a mockery of the so-called black man based on the cabalist code they are under the spell of. Just do the research of the “42 ritual” under gematria.bro, 10 years ago tranny attacks were the worse thing happening to BGOL \
now the D1's have made trannys tolerable
But back to the topic someone said "how do we know she didnt purchase $4.2m properties with her own money"?
Like wtf!?
And they think they are really bringing substance to a “debate”
There are a lot of black people that want to see receipts too, so she's being disingenuous.
Then there's this
Mothers of black police shooting victims accuse BLM director of lying https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-Cullors-lying.html?ito=amp_twitter_share-top via @MailOnline
So for those keeping score on the sidelines everything we've been saying is being validated from those directly involved.
From Obama's confession earlier this week to today.
Yet people from the sidelines still wont accept and hold the L
Mothers of black police shooting victims accuse BLM director of lying https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-Cullors-lying.html?ito=amp_twitter_share-top via @MailOnline
So for those keeping score on the sidelines everything we've been saying is being validated from those directly involved.
From Obama's confession earlier this week to today.
Yet people from the sidelines still wont accept and hold the L
Is there data on the numbers of trans (of all ethnicities) abused or killed by police vs the numbers of Black men, women, and children? And do you know the data for Black men and Black women separately?
Then there's this
Mothers of black police shooting victims accuse BLM director of lying https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-Cullors-lying.html?ito=amp_twitter_share-top via @MailOnline
So for those keeping score on the sidelines everything we've been saying is being validated from those directly involved.
From Obama's confession earlier this week to today.
Yet people from the sidelines still wont accept and hold the L
What did Obama say?
This. And the original people in Ferguson have said the same about BLM.
Nothing about BLM, just how/why he never said shit about Black people.
Once he knows what #BLM is about, he might become their next spokesperson.
Damn, I totally missed that! Is there a thread on this?
Obama says ‘institutional constraints’ kept him from commenting on killings of Black Americans
Former President Obama said that “institutional constraints” prevented him from speaking out about the killings of Black Americans during his time in the White House.
thehill.com
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