Kevin actually made some comments about Umar so it's not surprising for the pushback.
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It's not that nobody gave a fuck when he was talking about men. Nobody knew about him back then to give a fuck one way or other. It was when someone posted his "you're average at best video" on WS that he went viral and masses of people learned about him.
So, you go back 20 years to pull out "No Scrubs"? But ignore all the rap shit (and some R&B) we put out for decades belittling women? One is wrong but the other is ok? Also, how does"Milkshake" belittle men? lol. That sounds a little sensitive, bro.
So it's ok for women be called out by KS for being those things you mentioned. Would it also be ok for a woman to call out men for being Fat/ deadbeat dads creating multiple babies/ broke unsuccessful/ no retirement plan in place?
Understand that I don't look at US collectively as Black men being those things. But on the other hand, I don't look collectively at Black women in that kind of negative light either.
Never have I viewed myself as a victim of Black women. No disrespect, but that type of thing you're describing, that women need a man to talk bad about them to put them in their place is Incel talk. Sounds like things "victimized" men say who've been hurt by women but never had the balls to speak up for themselves. Easily triggered. So they need to live their revenge fantasies through popular internet characters like KS.
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Ya'll still in here talking about this man?
They say you can look at em and tell their gay when their young and.....I like how he goes into these high end stores and buys cologne and pretends to be flirting with the sale rep saying shit like "That's how you flirt with a sexy woman fellas..." when it was just the beginning of them both bussin out VOGGING. Nigga can't fool me lol
They say you can look at em and tell their gay when their young and.....I like how he goes into these high end stores and buys cologne and pretends to be flirting with the sale rep saying shit like "That's how you flirt with a sexy woman fellas..." when it was just the beginning of them both bussin out VOGGING. Nigga can't fool me lol
I went back 20 years cause I’m not up on the current music today. But my young co-worker(male) was saying the women in his generation is being brain washed. Said Cardi B chanting broke ninja don’t deserve no pussy.
The average man isn’t hurt by what women say. Cause we been getting rejected by women since, we been hollering get in turned down! So it’s nothing to us.
As far as retirement plan. And being fat as a man. A woman have no problem letting you know. A woman damn near don’t need a retirement plan she going to live off her man plan.
So... the black community is doing just fine?...
So, we go from seven out of ten for African Americans, to one out of ten for Asian Americans; from a little less than three out of ten for whites, to a little more than five out of ten for Hispanics. As I say, a huge range, and one that more than anything else seems to fit quite precisely with how well the different groups are doing on whatever success metric you want to use.
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E'en if you went back 20 years and earlier, we still were talking mad disrespectful cash shit about women in music. "Bitches ain't shit but hoes and tricks", "You remind me of my jeep", "Me and the crew used to do her", etc the list goes on and on and on. Were and are we being brainwashed? Sounds like your young co-worker is just a weak dude, man. If he has trouble getting play because of Cardi B, sounds like a personal problem lol.
And if it's nothing to you (as it should be) getting rejected by women, then why celebrate Kevin Samuels smacking Black women down verbally?
So again, we don't let women know how we feel about them when there's something we don't like? If someone needs Kevin Samuels to verbalize these things for them. Ionno what to say to that. I know and have known in my long ass lifetime too many good, decent women to generalize on Black women. The Sistas I surround myself with are cool. I get good choices of who to keep company with. Plain and simple, you get what you attract and surround yourself by.
We're doing about as fine as any other community outside of interference by white supremacy. Uniquely black pathologies are a racist myth.So... the black community is doing just fine?...
Lmao you upset cause rap music and KS is tearing down black women. Yet in the same sentence you call my co-worker a weak dude. He’s a stand up brother working two jobs. Had to fight for his 1 year old son in court last November during a pandemic. Where the court system was closed.
You know to many decent black women but you in a KS thread where he calls out black women. Why you didn’t post a thread about good black women? You attract people period it’s up to us to decipher the good ones from the bad ones.
My introduction to women went like this. I’m brown skin brother..women was checking for the light skin guys. Still had a GF though, when I went to High school women went for the dope boys. Going to College in-state(UMD)living with moms. Women didn’t want a man living at home. Got an apartment then bought a house stayed in shape. While maintaining job/credit/ and staying out of jail.
So now if I tell a woman you need to workout, or don’t want a woman with kids. I’m tearing them down and they feel entitled to have a shot GTFOH. They have to step there game up. Like us men had to do and some of my brothers still haven’t recover from the court/child support/spousal support system.
Chick files for a divorce and gets the house, because she use to living a current lifestyle. Man you need to wake up like the rest of us. KS movement is strong!
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Sound like Clout Chasing. Guess KS need to go back to cologne when nobody cared about him. Mom’s always said if they talking about you then you doing something right!
A fucking men. I keep telling these broads yall are the reason why certain men treat yal a certain way.
I remember in that era a lot of women were listening to and buying the music that cast them in the negative light. I remember in the 90s broads would run to the dance floor when this song would start playing. Which I guess I'm dating myself.
LOL I'm not upset about Kevin Samuels in the least. I am saying that it's weird though that you'd bring up Black women allegedly tearing men down in songs, but ignore all the songs Black men made shitting on Black women. It was especially odd that you'd mention Kelis' "Milkshake." I'm trying to see where that shits on men...lol. Good for the brotha that you're caping for. Glad he's trying to gain control of his life as best he can.'It's still weak if he's suggesting Cardi B songs are responsible for his non-success with women. Maybe he either needs to dig himself or associate himself with a more mature class of women.
Yeah I'm in this thread. Having a conversation just like you. Just like Android heads come up into threads with new Apple products to find fault with them.
We may come from the same generation...maybe. I remember girls having a preference for light skinned guys- with that whitewashed ass mindset. I also remember brothers having the same preference for girls. This was a Black thing not specific to men or women. I've known, befriended, dated, made love to and still know a good deal of drop-dead gorgeous dark chocolate women, who developed a low self esteem for being stupidly diminished by other Black folks for being dark. One of my good guy friends who is dark-skinned went through what you're talking about you went through too. At the end of the day, the enemy is not Black women nor Black men, it is the whites who instituted this division in the first place through the global system of white supremacy.
Why meet a woman and before you even know her tell her she needs to workout? If she's not what you're looking for, keep it moving. If you don't want a woman with kids, don't be with one. That simple. If she's your woman and she put on some pounds since you got together, there's a way to approach the subject with her whereas she'll happy to workout and you can be her encouragement and maybe her workout partner.
Men and women have their own unique set of issues. While I see you on divorce and child support issues we've dealt with, I'm also able to put on my glasses and have seen women who were victims of stalkers. I've known women who felt trapped in abusive relationships. I known women who were with men who suddenly flipped and started beating the shit out of them. I remember 4 years ago, one fine as fuck sista who was an entrepreneur, intelligent, talented, personable and down to earth with no kids and was intrigued by me. I was just getting to know her and we'd just set up a first date via DM, when her ex coming to collect his shit from the apartment they used to share went off on her and beat the shit out of her, putting her in the hospital. Literally in the middle of DM'ing me. First time she'd ever been beaten up by a dude. Our convo literally ceased suddenly for 3 hours, then I get photos of her in the hospital with her injuries. We still got together when her body healed up some. But we could only proceed so far with our association because the incident fucked with her mind made her paranoid of men. I've known many women who were raising kids on their own with their ex boyfriends or ex husbands not contributing a dime to their own kids, and the mothers HAD to take them to court to get them to fulfill their responsibilities as men.
The door swings both ways, my brother. We have things hard. Women have things hard. What a selfish asshole I'd be if I wanted sympathy from Black women for the real shit I go through as a Black man, if I don't have empathy for the real shit Black women go through.
I remember that as well, bro. We are a people in need of healing.
I'm reading your words and seeing how you specified "certain" men but didn't use that same word for the women.
I'm not 100% opened minded to other genres of music so I wouldn't know for sure.
But does any other genre of music refer to women as "bitches and hoes" the way hip-hop has?
And "some" of the women embracing it?
Good point. But the thing is, it's never been a majority of women embracing that shit.
Lol. See my edit.
I changed it to "some" women.
It's not a majority, but it's a solid percentage that emulates it from my limited experience in life.
So is it enough influence to have adverse effects?
Man you capping hard for the women! My first reply to you is we make the same type of songs but women embrace it..giving them a reason to act like bitches and hoes. Akinyele Put it in your mouth...Adina Howard I’m be a freak.. Back that ass up Juvenile to name a few..Women would run to the dance floor. Now what man ran to the dance floor when TLC NoScrub came on.
Not condoning domestic violence...but her ex came to her apartment while she was DM’ing another man then sent her to the hospital. Sound like that wasn’t the first time she got caught playing around with another man. And you mention she was fine as well..so what did you want from her? Probably like the rest of us to try to fuck her too. Stop trying to save these women every woman isn’t meant to be saved and some of them don’t want to be saved!
Once again you talk about women like they princess. I said once before. “Your enemies never reveal themselves until it’s time to attack” Let that sink in, when a man proposed to his fiancé you think he knew she was going to divorce him in the future and she step off on him like she never knew him. Man they got a whole YouTube channel for men going through divorce..Some of them be damn near suicidal.
Last but least take KS out and reference
Shahrazad Ali
That's fair.
Before I answer your question, some clarification:
Are you asking about women behaving as "bitches" and "hoes" or about them calling themselves those things?
Man, I love this woman.
She just said something I told my wife not long ago.
"People think they can accept or reject truth based on how they feel about it. Your feelings don't change the truth."
Capping or caping? Because...
I told no lies. And you did condone violence against women. You made an automatic assumption that it was her fault that she got beaten up. You came up with a reason and created your own fantasy narrative. That's pretty fucked up. It's like in your eyes, men can't ever do wrong. Are you that insecure as a man to admit that we can and do and some of us are just abusers of women?
What did I want from her? To get to know her and see if she was someone I wanted to spend time with. I don't live my life "trying" to fuck chicks. I live to make money, help my community and pursue creative endeavors. I select what woman I want to take time out of doing the things that I love to spend time with. If we're into each other, intimacy will happen. Ain't gotta try. Shit's inevitable. For much of my adult life, I haven't experienced much in the way of rejection because I'm selective and choose carefully. Time is money. But even in the selectivity and choosing, I don't have to shit on anybody to do it.
I don't talk about women like they're princesses. You however, act like all of us are princes. Not once have you acknowledged that we do fucked up shit too. Why do you have so much hatred and bitterness towards Black women that you can't even acknowledge that men and women both have issues and both also have hardships? Running behind a man day after day, "getting women told" on the internet seems pointless and the pursuit of hurt dudes and dudes that get no play from women. It's like KS is their sassy avenger.
Shahrazad, the sista who became famous for telling brothas to hit their wives in the face for talking out of turn? No thanks.
Certain aspects of Hip-hop have objectified and degraded women. Until it's brought to my attention and otherwise stated, I don't think no other genre of music does it to the same level.
So to clarify my question, does this distinct aspect of hip-hop have an adverse effect on how women behave? Or did it enhance behavior that may have already be present?
I'm not saying hip-hop caused a particular thing. I just speaking more on influences on women.
It is now
What?
That's hilarious to me.
However, I can't really disagree with much she said in the video. I think there are aspects that could be discussed more deeply because mental health is a thing. But solid points made in the video.
We in 2021, so all of generation X is over 40 now.
It's possible.
I can't really quantify that.
From 45 right on down i would say the majority of black women embrace the music. Other races embraces it as well, i couldnt give u a percentage cause i never really paid attention. Hoe culture is now a thing, yes it is.When in 2021, so all of generation X is over 40 now.
It's possible.
Dam sho is....hoe culture is alive and well.. brah
We in 2021, so all of generation X is over 40 now.
It's possible.
What's generation x...years...brah
'65 to '80
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