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[gdatruth]

Dc did this with the watchmen series remember? Remember hkw that show had every body talking and trying to figure out what's going on just luke this shiw is doing?

chill...apples & organes
Watchmen wasnt a DC success, it was an HBO success
Watchmen is a DC property. ATT/WB owns DC & HBO. Watchmen was a tv show executive produced by Damon Lindelof. DC didnt bring anything to the success and critical acclaim of the show other than owning the intellectual property
Wathcmen had absolutely nothing to do with the brain trust behind DC films. If you looking for a connection check out Synder's Watchmen film
but if the Watchmen tv show is an example of a DC 'success' it further illustrates how the brand has floundered

conversely WandaVision is a Marvel Show and part of the Marvel Cinetamic Universe.

 

[gdatruth]

As someone mentioned in the previous post. The four most recognizable comic book characters are: (in no particular order)

Spiderman, superman,batman, and wonderwoman.

And what I mean by recognizable is that my mom know these characters. And she can give 2 fucks about these comic book movies.

The thing is DC has THREE of them... if would be difficult has hell to create a universe because those DC Characters are so polarizing. They sort of just need their own shit.

you know whats funny
20 years ago the list would be Superman, Batman, Spider-Man, Wolverine & Wonder Woman

now thanks to the success of the marvel films for ppl 25 years & younger the list might be Spider-Man. Iron Man, Black Panther, Captain America, Hulk, Thor, etc

I got kids and i see whole lot of Irom Men, Caps, BPs, Hulks come Halloweeen time and not the old guard.

Marvel did kinda luck out in a weird way. They liscened their most popular characters to Fox & Sony
they built their movie universe around B list characters that the average movie goer wasnt that knowledgable of and were able to build from the ground up.

 

[Eclipse99]

you know whats funny
20 years ago the list would be Superman, Batman, Spider-Man, Wolverine & Wonder Woman

now thanks to the success of the marvel films for ppl 25 years & younger the list might be Spider-Man. Iron Man, Black Panther, Captain America, Hulk, Thor, etc

I got kids and i see whole lot of Irom Men, Caps, BPs, Hulks come Halloweeen time and not the old guard.

Marvel did kinda luck out in a weird way. They liscened their most popular characters to Fox & Sony
they built their movie universe around B list characters that the average movie goer wasnt that knowledgable of and were able to build from the ground up.

Yea I agree. From a business perspective, Marvel did a hell of a job marketing those characters and introducing the concept of tying all the movies together...just based on that concept alone, made people want to see the next movie. Shit you had motherfuckers more interested in the end credit scenes lol

 

[TENT]

Big fucking wrong. I have said many times that DC has the most popular superheroes of all time.

Superman
Batman and Robin
Wonderwoman
Aquaman
Green Lantern.

EVERYONE on earth knows them. The know the Superman logo, they know the Batman logo.

These characters formed the Justice League but WB is stupid!!!!!


Marvel took Rocket Raccoon and made him a house hold name. Same with Ant Man and Dr. Strange. People did not know these characters AT ALL.

They could have made a universe but they rushed it and made stupid as fuck stand alone movies and rushed shit.

Marvel gave them the blueprint and they still fucked it up.

As someone mentioned in the previous post. The four most recognizable comic book characters are: (in no particular order)

Spiderman, superman,batman, and wonderwoman.

And what I mean by recognizable is that my mom know these characters. And she can give 2 fucks about these comic book movies.

The thing is DC has THREE of them... if would be difficult has hell to create a universe because those DC Characters are so polarizing. They sort of just need their own shit.

 

[TENT]

Marvel had niggas who didn't know better waiting at the end of DC movies!!!!

Yea I agree. From a business perspective, Marvel did a hell of a job marketing those characters and introducing the concept of tying all the movies together...just based on that concept alone, made people want to see the next movie. Shit you had motherfuckers more interested in the end credit scenes lol

 

[Eclipse99]

Big fucking wrong. I have said many times that DC has the most popular superheroes of all time.

Superman
Batman and Robin
Wonderwoman
Aquaman
Green Lantern.

EVERYONE on earth knows them. The know the Superman logo, they know the Batman logo.

These characters formed the Justice League but WB is stupid!!!!!


Marvel took Rocket Raccoon and made him a house hold name. Same with Ant Man and Dr. Strange. People did not know these characters AT ALL.

They could have made a universe but they rushed it and made stupid as fuck stand alone movies and rushed shit.

Marvel gave them the blueprint and they still fucked it up.

I feel you man. But there are/were way too many stand alone batman and superman movies before the concept of a shared universe. And just about all those batman movies were iconic movies.

It just wouldn't feel/look right.... I honestly dont how they could of done it in regard to being on the success level as Marvel.

 

[TENT]

Respectfully I think you are bugging.

You do know that MOS, BvS, WW, Shazam and Aquaman are a shared universe right? That universe is horrible though.

Did the stand alone Joker movie not feel right? Everyone understood that it was a stand alone.

You do know they planned to have sequels with crossovers right? Cyborg was to be in the Flash movie.
Then Cyborg was to have his own movie and then another Justice League where they fought Darkseid?

But WB sucks! They don't make good movies so their plans get cancelled.

I feel you man. But there are/were way too many stand alone batman and superman movies before the concept of a shared universe. And just about all those batman movies were iconic movies.

It just wouldn't feel/look right.... I honestly dont how they could of done it in regard to being on the success level as Marvel.

 

[Eclipse99]

Respectfully I think you are bugging.

You do know that MOS, BvS, WW, Shazam and Aquaman are a shared universe right? That universe is horrible though.

Did the stand alone Joker movie not feel right? Everyone understood that it was a stand alone.

You do know they planned to have sequels with crossovers right? Cyborg was to be in the Flash movie.
Then Cyborg was to have his own movie and then another Justice League where they fought Darkseid?

But WB sucks! They don't make good movies so their plans get cancelled.

I know all about that shit fam. Maybe not as much as you or these YouTube guys but I know enough.

What I'm saying is that DC (with their iconic characters) do/has done a lot better with just stand alone movies. The casual motherfucker dont know about any justice league or who is in it. But they know Batman, Superman, Wonderwoman based off how popular they are and how popular they have been.

My point is just throwing them all on the screen together didn't look/feel right. Because of how iconic they are.

And WB probably did drop the ball in creating the DC universe/justice leauge... I probably would of introduced thr B list and C list characters first (stand alones) and give hints that Batman, Superman, and Wonderwoman will be all joining together.

 

[TimRock]

You do know that MOS, BvS, WW, Shazam and Aquaman are a shared universe right?

throw suicide squad in there too, and that harley quinn movie

 

[TENT]

Justice League has been around since people were kids. Justice League is way more popular than Avengers. Come on man.

There have been 5 Justice League cartoons before the movie!

I know all about that shit fam. Maybe not as much as you or these YouTube guys but I know enough.

What I'm saying is that DC (with their iconic characters) do/has done a lot better with just stand alone movies. The casual motherfucker dont know about any justice league or who is in it. But they know Batman, Superman, Wonderwoman based off how popular they are and how popular they have been.

My point is just throwing them all on the screen together didn't look/feel right. Because of how iconic they are.

And WB probably did drop the ball in creating the DC universe/justice leauge... I probably would of introduced thr B list and C list characters first (stand alones) and give hints that Batman, Superman, and Wonderwoman will be all joining together.

 

[Darkness's]

chill...apples & organes
Watchmen wasnt a DC success, it was an HBO success
Watchmen is a DC property. ATT/WB owns DC & HBO. Watchmen was a tv show executive produced by Damon Lindelof. DC didnt bring anything to the success and critical acclaim of the show other than owning the intellectual property
Wathcmen had absolutely nothing to do with the brain trust behind DC films. If you looking for a connection check out Synder's Watchmen film
but if the Watchmen tv show is an example of a DC 'success' it further illustrates how the brand has floundered

conversely WandaVision is a Marvel Show and part of the Marvel Cinetamic Universe.

I was nust jogging his memory iwasnt trying to start another nerdy marvel vs dc flame war

 

[guyver]

4) Finally, I think Wanda just expanded her hex power in that last episode. Notice after she "enhanced" the hex (turning it reddish), Darcy comments on Sony movie Quicksilver showing up by saying "She recast Pietro?". Why would she say that? Because Wanda extended the field to include the SWORD base as part of the Wandavision show. That way, she controls them as well. Her mindwarps work on anything in her field.

I don't think Wanda's powers have expanded pass the town yet. She seems to want to keep her ecosystem contained for the time being and just wants to be left alone with her family.

Darcy's response could be explained as her just being aware of how Pietro looked in the past.Darcy has already said that she is invested in the show. Keep in mind Darcy's character is typically used for comical relief, so it shouldn't be a surprise she would react in that manner. I viewed it as a kind of 4th wall break or easter egg for those who are aware of the fact that two actors have played the character.

As far as why they went with the X-Men actor or the MCU actor, I think it may have been because Evan Peters interpretation of Quicksilver was liked more and his style of acting fit the sitcom vibe better. I could be wrong but I don't believe it has anything to do with a link to the Fox X-Men/Multiverse.

Also, it's been a while but I think the Fox version of Wanda was a kid, so it wouldn't make sense for Pietro to recognize an adult Wanda. I know this is Wanda's world I'm just saying it wouldn't fit well to have Pietro being the Fox X-Men Quicksilver.

 

[eagle force]

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/06/wandavision-brings-back-pietro-maximoff-played-by-evan-peters.html

ENTERTAINMENT
What that ‘WandaVision’ cameo means for the future of the Marvel Cinematic Universe
PUBLISHED SAT, FEB 6 20213:09 PM EST UPDATED SAT, FEB 6 20217:51 PM EST

Sarah Whitten@SARAHWHIT10

KEY POINTS

• The fifth episode of “WandaVision” had a major cameo.
• The reveal not only has ramifications within the sitcom-based TV show, but for the entire Marvel Cinematic Universe.

Elizabeth Olsen stars as Wanda Maximoff in “WandaVision” on Disney+.
Disney
Kevin Feige warned us that the Marvel series on Disney+ would have implications for the greater Marvel Cinematic Universe. And he’s kept that promise.
On Friday, the fifth episode of “WandaVision” arrived on the streaming service, bringing with it a major cameo that has left viewers with a lot to ponder before episode six arrives next week. The reveal not only has ramifications within the sitcom-based TV show, but for the entire Marvel universe… or should I say multiverse.

Now would be a good time to look away if you haven’t seen the most recent episode of “WandaVision.”
**Spoilers ahead**
The fifth episode, titled “On a Very Special Episode…,” our ragtag team of FBI Agent Jimmy Woo, Dr. Darcy Lewis and Captain Monica Rambeau inch closer to understanding the Westview anomaly.
Meanwhile, Vision, still part of the simulation, but now set in the ’80s, grows more and more suspicious of the world around him. Neighbors have begun to act strangely, his twin sons age at their own will and his wife, Wanda, while attempting to dismiss his concerns, only causes them to grow.
Just as the newly minted husband and wife are set for a superpowered argument, the doorbell rings. Wanda, confused by this twist, answers. Standing on the front door is Pietro Maximoff, just not that Pietro Maximoff.

Elizabeth Olsen stars as Wanda Maximoff in “WandaVision” on Disney+ with special guest Evan Peters as Pietro Maximoff.
Disney
It’s Evan Peters, not Aaron Taylor-Johnson that appears on the other side of the door. The actor portrayed the mutant Quicksilver in several X-Men films, which up until 2019 were owned by 20th Century Fox.

It’s hinted that Wanda had not planned to bring her brother into her sitcom simulation. After all, only a few scenes prior Wanda refuses to bring her sons’ deceased puppy back from the dead.
“You can fix anything mom, fix dead,” one son remarks. After declining, even nosy neighbor Agnes, who is theorized to be pulling at least some of the strings of Wanda’s simulation, asked if she actually could do that.
“I am trying to tell you that there are rules in life,” Wanda explains to her two boys. “We can’t just rush aging because it’s convenient and we can’t reverse death no matter how sad it makes us. Some things are forever.”
This statement sparks two questions: Is Vision dead or has Wanda (or someone else) brought him back? And Did Wanda bring back a different Pietro accidentally or did someone else?
Both will likely be answered before the credits roll on the final episode in just a few weeks.
Already, audiences have gotten glimpses of what happened prior to the Westview anomaly early in the episode when Wanda appeared on security camera footage stealing Vision’s body from a secret lab. And there are likely plenty of Easter eggs yet to be uncovered that provide more clues.
Welcome to the multiverse
So, what about this new Pietro?
Before Disney acquired Fox’s entertainment brands in a deal worth $71 billion, the two studios made an agreement. Disney could use Pietro and Wanda Maximoff, but could not make reference to them being mutants or being the children of Magneto. It’s why in “Avengers: Age of Ultron,” Wanda and Pietro derived their powers from an infinity stone and not genetically.
Keen viewers might have noticed during Friday’s episode that when Tyler Hayward, the director of S.W.O.R.D., asked if Wanda had a moniker like some of the other Avengers it was said that she did not. Wanda has never been called Scarlet Witch in any of the MCU movies.
As for Fox, the studio was permitted to utilize Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch in its films as long as it did not make any references to the Avengers. In fact, Peters’ Quicksilver goes by Peter and not Pietro.

Elizabeth Olsen stars as Wanda Maximoff in “WandaVision” on Disney+ alongside Paul Bettany as Vision.
Disney
In recent months, rumors have circulated as Marvel executives have hired some familiar faces to return in future MCU films.
Disney has already confirmed that Jamie Foxx will return as Electro, from “The Amazing Spider-Man 2,” which featured Andrew Garfield as Spider-Man. And Alfred Molina, who portrayed Doctor Octopus during Tobey McGuire’s turn as the famed webslinger, is also confirmed as appearing in the film.
Benedict Cumberbatch’s Dr. Strange is also set to appear.
There has been speculation that other characters from the MCU, or even from the previous iterations of Spider-Man, will join the cast, but Disney has not confirmed these rumors.
The return of Pietro in the form of Peters signals that Marvel is already on its way to exploring the multiverse. This was teased during San Diego Comic-Con in 2019 when Marvel announced that the Doctor Strange sequel would be called “Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness.”
For those unfamiliar, the Marvel multiverse is just a fancy way of saying a collection of alternate universes. They are similar in nature to each other, but have slight variations. It’s a very popular concept in comic books, as it allows writers to reinvent characters and storylines for new generations.


Marvel Studios
With Wanda already confirmed as part of the Doctor Strange sequel and Doctor Strange part of “Spider-Man 3” it’s no surprise that Marvel is sprinkling bread crumbs early. After all, the seeds of the infinity stones show up in “Thor” and “Captain America: The First Avenger” long before they are named as such.
Marvel used the mind, power, reality, soul, space and time gems over the course of a decade, using them to weave in new characters and situations that ultimately led to “Avengers: Infinity War” and the highest-grossing film of all time “Avengers: Endgame.”
Introducing the multiverse in “WandaVision” works on multiple levels for Disney. Not only are they setting a path for future MCU movies and shows, the company is also making its streaming content must-see television. Fans have to watch these shows if they don’t want to miss out on plotlines or character introductions that will be integrated into feature-length films.
“WandaVision” may have been the first Marvel project to debut since “Spider-Man: Far From Home” in July 2019, but it won’t be the last in 2021. On Disney+, it will be quickly followed by “The Falcon and the Winter Soldier” in March, “Loki” in May and the animated series “What If...?” in the summer.
Theatrically, Marvel is set to debut “Black Widow” on May 7, “Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings” on July 9, “Eternals” on Nov. 5 and its co-produced “Spider-Man 3” on Dec. 17

 

[tallblacknyc]

I predicted movies theaters opening up? I knew Covid was going to last for a very very long time.

You are the one that doesn't believe Covid is real.

How would I think movie threaters would open up soon?

Post the thread where I said covid isn’t real? If you can’t just leave the board forever..deal? Like I said people need to stop lying

 

[dtownsfinest]

chill...apples & organes
Watchmen wasnt a DC success, it was an HBO success
Watchmen is a DC property. ATT/WB owns DC & HBO. Watchmen was a tv show executive produced by Damon Lindelof. DC didnt bring anything to the success and critical acclaim of the show other than owning the intellectual property
Wathcmen had absolutely nothing to do with the brain trust behind DC films. If you looking for a connection check out Synder's Watchmen film
but if the Watchmen tv show is an example of a DC 'success' it further illustrates how the brand has floundered

conversely WandaVision is a Marvel Show and part of the Marvel Cinetamic Universe.

Yeah that's like giving Sony credit for Homecoming.....naw...not quite can't do that.

 

[dtownsfinest]

It wasn't gonna work cause they keep going to the drawing board.

Dawg it would be one thing if this was the jump off to a whole universe, they have had a slew of movies before this and THIS is the best one.

This new Batman is DOOMED! I take it you haven't been listening on how filming is going. They are already pointing fingers at each other:

The Batman: Robert Pattinson Allegedly Causing Problems Again For Not Being In Shape - The Mother of All Nerds

The coronavirus pandemic continues to wreak havoc on the premiere schedule and it was recently announced that multiple productions were being postponed, including ‘The Batman’, which has faced various issues, from Pattinson’s lack of musculature to having contracted Covid- 19. The production was...

themotherofallnerds.com

‘The Batman’ Prolonged Shoot Rumored to Be a Grueling Process for Robert Pattinson

Rumors about Robert Pattinson struggling on the set of Matt Reeves' ‘The Batman’ have been swirling since production began.

movieweb.com

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Shit man I don't know...that doesn't seem too far fetched. I'm more concerned with guys quitting like writers or directors. Pattison feeling uncomfortable in a batman suit doesn't seem to be that big of a deal to me.

 

[dtownsfinest]

Unpopular opinion...

The Joker sucked. I watched that movie twice to give it a chance.

I did not like it at all.

Not liking it is one thing. But to say it sucked.....yeah I just don't understand that.

 

[dtownsfinest]

As someone mentioned in the previous post. The four most recognizable comic book characters are: (in no particular order)

Spiderman, superman,batman, and wonderwoman.

And what I mean by recognizable is that my mom know these characters. And she can give 2 fucks about these comic book movies.

The thing is DC has THREE of them... if would be difficult has hell to create a universe because those DC Characters are so polarizing. They sort of just need their own shit.

Yeah you said this much better than I did. You're exactly right. I'm not saying it can't be done...its just not going to be as easy as Marvel did it with their lesser known heroes.

 

[spider705]

Not liking it is one thing. But to say it sucked.....yeah I just don't understand that.

SUCKED, in capital letters... movie was trash...

 

[Drayonis]

Question...
Why can't Wanda control kids?

When the twins first went from babies to 5 year olds, Agnes while sitting on the counter with her drink said "kids... can't control em, no matter how hard you try."

BEFORE THAT when the twins were crying uncontrollably, Wanda tried to do her magic on them but it didn't work. She asked them/herself "why won't you do what I want you to do?"

Then when they got the puppy, Vision said they couldn't have a puppy until they were 10. The twins looked at each other and smiled while Vision and Wanda were like "don't you do it! You stop it right now!" But they did it anyway.... now they're 10.

When the puppy got into the azalea bush, they tried to age themselves up to put the incident with the puppy behind them but Wanda talked them out of it... she didn't stop them, she talked them out of it.

And at the end, Vision just asked her flat out "why aren't there any other kids in Westview?"

So it's obvious she can't control kids, is there a reason why?

Because the kids are from Memphisto.

 

[dtownsfinest]

C+ movies? List them?

Captain Marvel
Iron Man 3
Ant Man 2


Listen, every DCU movie is C- or D.

DCU cannot be defended. Their universe is a mess and indefensible.

Them Thor movies are the most boring pieces of shit and quite frankly them shits didn't get good until they made Thor more of a comedic character in Thor Ragnarok. Them shits is C+ movies. Captain Marvel...C+....

In regards to DCU I disagree that all of them are. Honestly to me they've been on a role with WW(found this boring too but the film itself wasn't bad), Shazam, Aquaman, Joker....I'd probably say Harley Quinn is a C or C+ as well. DCU's floor is a lot higher now than it was 4 years ago.

 

[gdatruth]

Them Thor movies are the most boring pieces of shit and quite frankly them shits didn't get good until they made Thor more of a comedic character in Thor Ragnarok. Them shits is C+ movies. Captain Marvel...C+....

In regards to DCU I disagree that all of them are. Honestly to me they've been on a role with WW(found this boring too but the film itself wasn't bad), Shazam, Aquaman, Joker....I'd probably say Harley Quinn is a C or C+ as well. DCU's floor is a lot higher now than it was 4 years ago.

I've been critical of DC films but I have to agree. Now that they stepped away from the unified synder umbrella their flicks are much more entertainning

1st WW, Shazam, Aquaman, Joker & Birds of Prey were all fun comic book movies in their own rights
I also expect the new Suicide Squad to be pretty good

but its unforunate they cant figure out Superman & JL on the big screen

 

[spider705]

Them Thor movies are the most boring pieces of shit and quite frankly them shits didn't get good until they made Thor more of a comedic character in Thor Ragnarok. Them shits is C+ movies. Captain Marvel...C+....

In regards to DCU I disagree that all of them are. Honestly to me they've been on a role with WW(found this boring too but the film itself wasn't bad), Shazam, Aquaman, Joker....I'd probably say Harley Quinn is a C or C+ as well. DCU's floor is a lot higher now than it was 4 years ago.

Thor 2 was pretty good... that first one though... hit and miss...

DCU, the first Wonder Woman was good, Man of Steel was very good, Aquaman was good, and Shazam had its moments but overall i wasn't impressed... I'd give those movies a B ranking, with Shazam bordering on a high C

And I get laughed at for this but Justice League... not all that bad to me

Suicide Squad was a great movie UNTIL they flew them choppers into the city. From that point in the movie went downhill

I think for most people the frustration with the DCU boils down to 2 things:

1. The characters are SO ICONIC. Their Big 3 are some of the most iconic, recognizable, story rich and loved comic book characters of all time. Why can't you get this right??

2. The animated and TV show departments hit home run after home run and it leaves fans to wonder why can't that success translate over to the big screen??

I think DC should have taken a pause and really studied the MCU development plan for building their universe... start with a lesser known character that has ties to all of the other bigger, more iconic characters, and branch out from there like MCU did with Iron Man.

To me their guy was Green Arrow. You already had success with him on the small screen... put a big budget behind him, intertwine his stories with the Big 3, and build up to a Avengers style movie a few years after characters and a centrally themed plot have developed across several movies.

 

[spider705]

DC was too busy trying to compete with Marvel when in all actuality had they done it right and taken their time they could have blown anything Marvel could ever put into theaters completely out of the water.

 

[BGLR1212000]

SUCKED, in capital letters... movie was trash...

How can you say it was trash when you have the unpopular opinion?

 

[tallblacknyc]

SUCKED, in capital letters... movie was trash...

completely agrees

 

[Eclipse99]

Justice League has been around since people were kids. Justice League is way more popular than Avengers. Come on man.

There have been 5 Justice League cartoons before the movie!

The general audience ain't watching no cartoons. And even if people like my mom, who grew up in the Justice League cartoon era, she's probably one that didn't care for it (whos in the Justice Leauge) but she knows who the fuck Batman is. And trust me there are millions of people like this.

People like myself and you and most people on this board know about all that shit... but the money is made when you can get the general audience to come see your movie.

Justice Leauge or even the Avengers is not popular with the general audience. Marvel just did a hell of a job of marketing and setting up their movies in such that the general audience will want to see it.

DC has three iconic characters that the general audience knows and probably will see.

But trust me I get your point and I think we agree....its just hard for a business to do/follow something that your competitor has done and was massively successful at. For example, the concept of the shared universe.

 

[spider705]

How can you say it was trash when you have the unpopular opinion?

Because it's MY opinion.... lol
I get most people liked it but to me that movie was garbage

 

[guyver]

Thor 2 was pretty good... that first one though... hit and miss...

DCU, the first Wonder Woman was good, Man of Steel was very good, Aquaman was good, and Shazam had its moments but overall i wasn't impressed... I'd give those movies a B ranking, with Shazam bordering on a high C

And I get laughed at for this but Justice League... not all that bad to me

Suicide Squad was a great movie UNTIL they flew them choppers into the city. From that point in the movie went downhill

I think for most people the frustration with the DCU boils down to 2 things:

1. The characters are SO ICONIC. Their Big 3 are some of the most iconic, recognizable, story rich and loved comic book characters of all time. Why can't you get this right??

2. The animated and TV show departments hit home run after home run and it leaves fans to wonder why can't that success translate over to the big screen??

I think DC should have taken a pause and really studied the MCU development plan for building their universe... start with a lesser known character that has ties to all of the other bigger, more iconic characters, and branch out from there like MCU did with Iron Man.

To me their guy was Green Arrow. You already had success with him on the small screen... put a big budget behind him, intertwine his stories with the Big 3, and build up to a Avengers style movie a few years after characters and a centrally themed plot have developed across several movies.

I'm going to have to somewhat disagree with your stance. DC didn't need to follow Marvel in anyway in terms of building up the characters over time or using unknown characters. More importantly, Marvel really didn't have a choice in using less popular characters first.they made the best out of a worse case scenario and built something great.Clearly the core concept of building a world could remain, but it could have started with JL and branched into solo movies/TV shows. The other option would have been just have JL movies and not worry about a DCEU at all. Attempting to follow Marvel's lead is what got them into trouble overall.

To your point, the animated movies have successfully introduced the members of the Justice League without having connected solo animated projects building to it. The JL in some form has had animated series since the 70s.there is a high chance that you know at least the core characters and have seen them as a team in some capacity even if you were not a fan in your lifetime. They even had their own version of the Justice League in Smallville which was a popular live series for years on the WB.

Most of the JL members are iconic enough where you don't really need an orgin for the members and possibly could have skipped the Orgin for the team all together. In general, a big issue with comic book movies is this need to tell a origin story instead of focusing on telling a good or great story. I understand this is partly done for a larger audience. I just don't think it's needed especially if the series is on its second or third reboot (SpiderMan).

Although the X-Men are a team that isn't necessarily know for its stand alone team members, the X-Men movies are an example of what I mean.in the first X-Men movie the team was already formed with the exception of Wolverine. They pretty much used Wolverine & Rouge to introduce us to the rest of the X-Men and the Brotherhood of Mutants. It was not an orgin story and you really don't learn much about anyone's history from what I can remember.it could be argued that the first X-Men movie was more so focused on Wolverine but my overall point is certain members of the Xmen have a deep enough history were you could have shown them being recruited by Xavier. However, the movie more or less starts with the team. In the reboot of X-Men you pretty much see the formation of that team in one movie. Granted the main story focuses on Magento and Xavier but you are still introduced to the X-Men as a team that is formed in First Class.

 

[TENT]

Oh you were born in the year 2000. That's why. You don't know this world is filled with billions and billions of people who have access to these characters. Ok. Carry on.

The general audience ain't watching no cartoons. And even if people like my mom, who grew up in the Justice League cartoon era, she's probably one that didn't care for it (whos in the Justice Leauge) but she knows who the fuck Batman is. And trust me there are millions of people like this.

People like myself and you and most people on this board know about all that shit... but the money is made when you can get the general audience to come see your movie.

Justice Leauge or even the Avengers is not popular with the general audience. Marvel just did a hell of a job of marketing and setting up their movies in such that the general audience will want to see it.

DC has three iconic characters that the general audience knows and probably will see.

But trust me I get your point and I think we agree....its just hard for a business to do/follow something that your competitor has done and was massively successful at. For example, the concept of the shared universe.

 

[TENT]

You have no class or culture. Sorry. This isn't an insult it is just true.

The Thor movies are amazing!

They have some of the best acting and are visually stunning.

Only a certain type of person is going to appreciate them.

You found the Aquaman movie good? And Shazam.

That is all I need to know about you.

Them Thor movies are the most boring pieces of shit and quite frankly them shits didn't get good until they made Thor more of a comedic character in Thor Ragnarok. Them shits is C+ movies. Captain Marvel...C+....

In regards to DCU I disagree that all of them are. Honestly to me they've been on a role with WW(found this boring too but the film itself wasn't bad), Shazam, Aquaman, Joker....I'd probably say Harley Quinn is a C or C+ as well. DCU's floor is a lot higher now than it was 4 years ago.

 

[Eclipse99]

Oh you were born in the year 2000. That's why. You don't know this world is filled with billions and billions of people who have access to these characters. Ok. Carry on.

Lol...1983 fam. But carry on

 

[TENT]

At the beginning of covid you were calling it the flu.

You were downplaying its effects.

Then all of a sudden, you had it before everyone and you are a super warrior virus fighter.

But at the beginning you said Covid aint shit and talked about the Spanish Flu or ages.

You said the regular Flu killed more people and Covid wasn't gonna kill that much people.

You said ALL that and more.

You want me gone? Ignore. If you don't like control yourself and don't say nothing.

You aint put more money into his board than I did.

Post the thread where I said covid isn’t real? If you can’t just leave the board forever..deal? Like I said people need to stop lying

 

[Lou_Kayge]

The general audience ain't watching no cartoons. And even if people like my mom, who grew up in the Justice League cartoon era, she's probably one that didn't care for it (whos in the Justice Leauge) but she knows who the fuck Batman is. And trust me there are millions of people like this.

People like myself and you and most people on this board know about all that shit... but the money is made when you can get the general audience to come see your movie.

Justice Leauge or even the Avengers is not popular with the general audience. Marvel just did a hell of a job of marketing and setting up their movies in such that the general audience will want to see it.

DC has three iconic characters that the general audience knows and probably will see.

But trust me I get your point and I think we agree....its just hard for a business to do/follow something that your competitor has done and was massively successful at. For example, the concept of the shared universe.

What I find so frustrating is why the concept of shared universe is so alien to non-comcis fans when they've seen it for decades. The old Looney Tunes cartoons, the Star Trek franchise, certain DesiLU produced sitcoms:I Love Lucy,Make Room For Dayy, Andy Griffith Show. Green Acres/Petticoat Junction. Happy Days/Laverne&Shirley/Mork&Mindy. The Dick Wolf:Law&Order/Chicago/Homicide Shows. Richard Belzer's Jon Munch character appeared on Homicide/Law&Order:SVU/Law&Order/X-Files/The Wire. This shit has been going on forever.

 

[TENT]

Man of Steel
WW
Aquaman

Wow you really thought those movies were good? They were not better than Ant Man 2. Which was one of the bad Marvel movies.

Superman watched his father die when he could have easily saved him 5 different ways. Why? He didn't want to reveal his powers.
Only to later on flip a tracker trailer on its head. Revealing his powers to strangers!

I guess slow motion action is your thing. You must have loved 300. Hahaha.

Thor 2 was pretty good... that first one though... hit and miss...

DCU, the first Wonder Woman was good, Man of Steel was very good, Aquaman was good, and Shazam had its moments but overall i wasn't impressed... I'd give those movies a B ranking, with Shazam bordering on a high C

And I get laughed at for this but Justice League... not all that bad to me

Suicide Squad was a great movie UNTIL they flew them choppers into the city. From that point in the movie went downhill

I think for most people the frustration with the DCU boils down to 2 things:

1. The characters are SO ICONIC. Their Big 3 are some of the most iconic, recognizable, story rich and loved comic book characters of all time. Why can't you get this right??

2. The animated and TV show departments hit home run after home run and it leaves fans to wonder why can't that success translate over to the big screen??

I think DC should have taken a pause and really studied the MCU development plan for building their universe... start with a lesser known character that has ties to all of the other bigger, more iconic characters, and branch out from there like MCU did with Iron Man.

To me their guy was Green Arrow. You already had success with him on the small screen... put a big budget behind him, intertwine his stories with the Big 3, and build up to a Avengers style movie a few years after characters and a centrally themed plot have developed across several movies.