Yvette Carnell mad at Sandy Darity for including diaspora in reparations
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Rightfully so. By the time its all said and done Jews will be included in the Reparations movement.
I DONT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ONLY "AFRICAN AMERICAN DESCENDANTS OF AMERICAS ENSLAVED AFRICANS" AND IF ANYBODY ON AMERICAN SOIL SHOULD GET IT, IT SHOULD BE "AFRICAN AMERICAN DESCENDANTS OF AMERICAS ENSLAVED AFRICANS"
WE DONT HAVE MAKE UPA FAKE NARRATIVE TO DEMONIZE ANY OTHER GROUP OF BLACK PEOPLE TO ACHIEVE THAT !
AND I ALSO DONT SEE ANY SIGNIFICANT GROUP OF FOREIGN BLACK PEOPLE IN AMERICA OPPOSING IT & WORKING AGAINST
( THEIR WHOLE NARRATIVE IS MANUFACTURED TO HELP WHITE SUPREMACISTS & XENOPHOBE'S AGENDA) !
MY STANCE IS STRAIGHT PHILOSOPHICAL ! BECOS I DONT BELIEVE ANY WHITE COUNTRY WILL EVER GIVE ANY GROUP OF BLACK PEOPLE REPARATIONS.... THATS JUST MY OPINION! NOT JAMAICA , NOT HAITI, NOT BRAZIL , NOT TRINIDAD , NOT ANY AFRICAN COUNTRY !
WE HAVE TO TAKE IT BY REVOLUTIONARY FORCE OR GLOBAL COORDINATED PRESSURE OR BUST ! CAN IT BE A BARGAINING CHIP ?YES THATS ABOUT AS MUCH AS I THINK THE ISSUE CAN BE USED FOR
WE DONT HAVE MAKE UPA FAKE NARRATIVE TO DEMONIZE ANY OTHER GROUP OF BLACK PEOPLE TO ACHIEVE THAT !
AND I ALSO DONT SEE ANY SIGNIFICANT GROUP OF FOREIGN BLACK PEOPLE IN AMERICA OPPOSING IT & WORKING AGAINST
( THEIR WHOLE NARRATIVE IS MANUFACTURED TO HELP WHITE SUPREMACISTS & XENOPHOBE'S AGENDA) !
MY STANCE IS STRAIGHT PHILOSOPHICAL ! BECOS I DONT BELIEVE ANY WHITE COUNTRY WILL EVER GIVE ANY GROUP OF BLACK PEOPLE REPARATIONS.... THATS JUST MY OPINION! NOT JAMAICA , NOT HAITI, NOT BRAZIL , NOT TRINIDAD , NOT ANY AFRICAN COUNTRY !
WE HAVE TO TAKE IT BY REVOLUTIONARY FORCE OR GLOBAL COORDINATED PRESSURE OR BUST ! CAN IT BE A BARGAINING CHIP ?YES THATS ABOUT AS MUCH AS I THINK THE ISSUE CAN BE USED FOR
The funny thing is they attack other black cultures then ask them to support their non-existent plight for reparations. What kinda strategy is that?
NOTICE HOW THEY SPEND AN INORDINATE AMOUNT OF TIME ON FOREIGN FLAG TWITTER AND DEMONIZING BLACKS IMMIGRANTS & BLACKS WITH MORE RECENT FOREIGN ROOTS ? & WHY THEIR STANCES OFTEN ALIGN WITH RIGHTWING XENOPHOBIC TACTICS? & HOW THEIR LEADER WORKED FOR RIGHTWING ANTI-IMMIGRATION WHITE SUPREMACIST PFIR JOHN TANTON
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Imagine thinking ONLY YOU have the right to name a group of people and ONLY your ideas are good enuff and anybody that has an opposing idea mutt be an immigrant!, even tho her ideas r shitty & in the long run detrimental to the people u claim to fight for,ego grandstanding
twitterverse makes people think they & their shitty ideas are more important than they really are
2HOUR TO LISTEN TO THIS MISERABLE HUMAN? NO THANKS BRUH!
I just had a mini point-counterpoint on a comment section about inequity
The Inequality of 'Equity' | RealClearPolitics
President Joe Biden took office pledging a return to unity and decency. A new era of good feelings is at hand, we were informed by both his administration and...
PR
1 day ago
Many things cause unequal outcomes, not just unequal abilities. The list is long: unequal geographical place of birth, whether you are raised by one parent or two, the economic circumstances of your parent(s), the quality of your parent(s)' parenting, unequal chance events, unequal cultural values and priorities, unequal personality, unequal choices, etc. No one who thinks about it clearly would deny that some residual racism and inequalities remain because of historical inequality and racism. The bigger questions are: how much compared with other factors, where is this happening, how many people are affected, and what to do about it. To some extent, even this question enters the picture. To what extent should people, in general, be responsible for the well-being of other people? What it means to be American has always changed over time and always will as we continue to contend with these questions and others. Regarding your claim about segregation, where is segregation in schools still in place and actually growing, and how do you define segregation in today's United States?
NR (me)
22 hours ago
its one thing to see someone do better because they have the ability and its another to see one someone do better because the other person was literally held back or excluded...but the key words you said more than anything else was what to do about it. So native americans got reparations for their treatment, the japanese got reparations for their unjust treatment. The formerly enslaved africans (american blacks) were promised reparations (40 acres and mule anyone?) then had that yank away..then had to deal with almost 100 more years of legalized unfair treatment under jim crow laws. So your question comes back again. what to do about it? Those actions and the time line they happened in didn't occur in a vacuum. The repercussions are still felt to this day in all the negative statistics people love to quote about Black Americans. So what can be done about it???
PR
4 hours ago
If there were an obvious answer to that question which most Americans could agree upon, then I'm pretty sure I would have read about it sometime in the past year. During the past year, the topic of reparations came up here in California, where I live, so I did some reading about reparations. I found general moral arguments in favor of reparations but no one was addressing the specifics of how such a reparations effort would be administered, the two big unanswered questions being, who would receive these reparations payments, and who would pay them. So, honestly, I have no simple answer to your question. I am, however, old enough to remember when the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed, being seven at the time, and during my life since then learned that according to estimates, from $15 trillion to $22 trillion were spent in the 'war on poverty', and the poverty rate remained between 12% and 15% for the past 55 years. To me, this does not imply the money was wasted as some might argue. Much of that money was well spent on things such as education and health care. Many people have risen from poverty due to government payments. But, the problem of seemingly irreducible poverty involving many races does suggest there may be more to the problem of poverty than just race. Unfortunately, it appears that young people today do not have the desire or patience to study the problem or to pay attention to those who have. They just want immediate results.
NR
4 hours ago
I found general moral arguments in favor of reparations but no one was addressing the specifics of how such a reparations effort would be administered, the two big unanswered questions being, who would receive these reparations payments, and who would pay them. So, honestly, I have no simple answer to your question. how were the eligible Japanese and Native Americans determined for their reparations? But heres link to someone who took at shot at it. https://www.jurist.org/commentary/2020/11/benjamin-davis-reparations/
PR
3 hours ago
The paragraph which you reproduced in bold was written in reference to reparations for African-Americans, not Japanese and native Americans. Certainly, historical records exist for reparations for Japanese and Native Americans. The jurist.org article you cited does not reference them, nor does it use them as a recipe for African Americans who would receive reparations payments and who would make such payments. Because, all three situations are different. In Section II of the jurist.com article, the author wrote, "Here is a suggestion of a formulaic key...". The key was a table concerning who would receive reparations payments according to general categories. The whole of it is too big to reproduce here, but it addressed who would receive reparations payments in general terms, not specific terms. The author wrote, "And for those who say “how will this be funded?” – that is for the bean counters (accountants) and one-armed economists (on the one hand, on the other hand) to come up ... I am sure they are quite capable of thinking this through ... " This is not an answer addressing the specifics of the question, "Who would pay them". I don't mean to give offense by asking a direct question, but assuming that you believe you qualify for reparations, could you use this 'plan' to determine your own compensation and who would pay you?
NR
2 hours ago
I could trace back thru my parentage at least to post civil war so yeah I could determine the compensation. But reparations isn't just about slavery. Jim Crow laws by itself disenfranchised and disadvantage Black Americans on the whole. More recently than slavery...for example black soldiers were denied the GI Bill from WW2 (certainly records for that) and post WW2 was the big economic boom that created the middle class as we know it. Largely due to things like that and FHA loans and a number of other programs blacks were denied or steered away from. This notion that calculating and determining how forced inequity affected who when is unknowable is just not true. Even during slave times the enslaved were property that was bought and sold and records were kept for that..if anything there may be an effort to NOT look that stuff because it could establish concrete time lines that could be used in a legal argument.
PR
1 hour ago
To my knowledge and in my experience, much civil rights progress was initiated by dint of one specific court ruling or another. Your answer prompts me to think that one solid well-documented case resulting in a win and a ruling on compensation - who pays what to whom - would set a precedent and begin the process of establishing formulae for more court cases down the line. That seems like a way to make progress and win support that is more feasible than seeking acceptance of a 'grand plan'. A grand plan, no matter what it involves is a tough sell.
Yeah i remember that part! so is she only due for less than 66% of the cheque and say Wesley can get the full cheque ?
The reparations claim should be to a specific country as I believe Carnell has stated before.
Hell, I'm all for children of the diaspora getting reparations. When our Caribbean brothers and sisters start a petition for Jamaicans to take to Great Britain, Haitians for France, and our Spanish-speaking brothers and sisters to take to Spain I would be glad to sign.
Hell, I'm all for children of the diaspora getting reparations. When our Caribbean brothers and sisters start a petition for Jamaicans to take to Great Britain, Haitians for France, and our Spanish-speaking brothers and sisters to take to Spain I would be glad to sign.
Yeah i remember that part! so is she only due for less than 66% of the cheque and say Wesley can get the full cheque ?
Naw, she gets nothing. That's what they preach, lineage. If a person born in the us and has any parent, grandparents not born in America doesn't qualify. If you have a white parent or any grandparent that's white you don't qualify. Yeah I know the shit sounds retarded.
good read, these discussions are always welcome.. PR sounded a little disingenuous in parts or not fully grasping the magnitude & complexity of the issue.. while i do believe redress should be ongoing and "specific" especially for "AFRICAN AMERICAN DESCENDANTS OF AMERICAS ENSLAVED AFRICANS" iI just had a mini point-counterpoint on a comment section about inequity
The Inequality of 'Equity' | RealClearPolitics
President Joe Biden took office pledging a return to unity and decency. A new era of good feelings is at hand, we were informed by both his administration and...www.realclearpolitics.com
PR
1 day ago
Many things cause unequal outcomes, not just unequal abilities. The list is long: unequal geographical place of birth, whether you are raised by one parent or two, the economic circumstances of your parent(s), the quality of your parent(s)' parenting, unequal chance events, unequal cultural values and priorities, unequal personality, unequal choices, etc. No one who thinks about it clearly would deny that some residual racism and inequalities remain because of historical inequality and racism. The bigger questions are: how much compared with other factors, where is this happening, how many people are affected, and what to do about it. To some extent, even this question enters the picture. To what extent should people, in general, be responsible for the well-being of other people? What it means to be American has always changed over time and always will as we continue to contend with these questions and others. Regarding your claim about segregation, where is segregation in schools still in place and actually growing, and how do you define segregation in today's United States?
NR (me)
22 hours ago
its one thing to see someone do better because they have the ability and its another to see one someone do better because the other person was literally held back or excluded...but the key words you said more than anything else was what to do about it. So native americans got reparations for their treatment, the japanese got reparations for their unjust treatment. The formerly enslaved africans (american blacks) were promised reparations (40 acres and mule anyone?) then had that yank away..then had to deal with almost 100 more years of legalized unfair treatment under jim crow laws. So your question comes back again. what to do about it? Those actions and the time line they happened in didn't occur in a vacuum. The repercussions are still felt to this day in all the negative statistics people love to quote about Black Americans. So what can be done about it???
PR
4 hours ago
If there were an obvious answer to that question which most Americans could agree upon, then I'm pretty sure I would have read about it sometime in the past year. During the past year, the topic of reparations came up here in California, where I live, so I did some reading about reparations. I found general moral arguments in favor of reparations but no one was addressing the specifics of how such a reparations effort would be administered, the two big unanswered questions being, who would receive these reparations payments, and who would pay them. So, honestly, I have no simple answer to your question. I am, however, old enough to remember when the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed, being seven at the time, and during my life since then learned that according to estimates, from $15 trillion to $22 trillion were spent in the 'war on poverty', and the poverty rate remained between 12% and 15% for the past 55 years. To me, this does not imply the money was wasted as some might argue. Much of that money was well spent on things such as education and health care. Many people have risen from poverty due to government payments. But, the problem of seemingly irreducible poverty involving many races does suggest there may be more to the problem of poverty than just race. Unfortunately, it appears that young people today do not have the desire or patience to study the problem or to pay attention to those who have. They just want immediate results.
NR
4 hours ago
I found general moral arguments in favor of reparations but no one was addressing the specifics of how such a reparations effort would be administered, the two big unanswered questions being, who would receive these reparations payments, and who would pay them. So, honestly, I have no simple answer to your question. how were the eligible Japanese and Native Americans determined for their reparations? But heres link to someone who took at shot at it. https://www.jurist.org/commentary/2020/11/benjamin-davis-reparations/
PR
3 hours ago
The paragraph which you reproduced in bold was written in reference to reparations for African-Americans, not Japanese and native Americans. Certainly, historical records exist for reparations for Japanese and Native Americans. The jurist.org article you cited does not reference them, nor does it use them as a recipe for African Americans who would receive reparations payments and who would make such payments. Because, all three situations are different. In Section II of the jurist.com article, the author wrote, "Here is a suggestion of a formulaic key...". The key was a table concerning who would receive reparations payments according to general categories. The whole of it is too big to reproduce here, but it addressed who would receive reparations payments in general terms, not specific terms. The author wrote, "And for those who say “how will this be funded?” – that is for the bean counters (accountants) and one-armed economists (on the one hand, on the other hand) to come up ... I am sure they are quite capable of thinking this through ... " This is not an answer addressing the specifics of the question, "Who would pay them". I don't mean to give offense by asking a direct question, but assuming that you believe you qualify for reparations, could you use this 'plan' to determine your own compensation and who would pay you?
NR
2 hours ago
I could trace back thru my parentage at least to post civil war so yeah I could determine the compensation. But reparations isn't just about slavery. Jim Crow laws by itself disenfranchised and disadvantage Black Americans on the whole. More recently than slavery...for example black soldiers were denied the GI Bill from WW2 (certainly records for that) and post WW2 was the big economic boom that created the middle class as we know it. Largely due to things like that and FHA loans and a number of other programs blacks were denied or steered away from. This notion that calculating and determining how forced inequity affected who when is unknowable is just not true. Even during slave times the enslaved were property that was bought and sold and records were kept for that..if anything there may be an effort to NOT look that stuff because it could establish concrete time lines that could be used in a legal argument.
PR
1 hour ago
To my knowledge and in my experience, much civil rights progress was initiated by dint of one specific court ruling or another. Your answer prompts me to think that one solid well-documented case resulting in a win and a ruling on compensation - who pays what to whom - would set a precedent and begin the process of establishing formulae for more court cases down the line. That seems like a way to make progress and win support that is more feasible than seeking acceptance of a 'grand plan'. A grand plan, no matter what it involves is a tough sell.
the issue i have is, a couple of people decided amongst themselves to be the leaders & spokespersons for a whole group of people who didnt vote to be in or didnt ask them to included in their "group"
they use nefarious methods and really dont care about reparations but as a tool to advance certain rightwing agenda...
my opinion on reparation shouldnt matter if they are that sincere, its my opinion.. and the fact still remains, no group of black people with foreign roots have ever fought against reparations for "AFRICAN AMERICAN DESCENDANTS OF AMERICAS ENSLAVED AFRICANS" ,
they need to manufacture that narrative so they can push their real agenda of xenophobia and white supremacy worship !
my opinion remains that i dont trust any white group of people anywhere to give any group of blackpeople anywhere reparations, in the way they think str8 cash or cheques ,,and thats just my opinion based on history and knowing that white people would deny themselves life saving healthcare if they feel certain number of black people would benefit from it ,so what makes u think their system of white supremacy will vote for or push for reparations in the form of cheques?
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exactly !! but why do folks keep bringing up these issue when theres no issue? theres no movement by any group of foreign black people fighting against reparations for "AFRICAN AMERICAN DESCENDANTS OF AMERICAS ENSLAVED AFRICANS" in america or anywhere else .. why do people keep putting that narrative upfront as a serious form of opposition enuff to make a huge mountain of it when it doesnt exist ? why manufacture the narrative? whose purpose does it serve? that narrative actually distracts from the aim & actualization of reparations for "AFRICAN AMERICAN DESCENDANTS OF AMERICAS ENSLAVED AFRICANS"
now check this... Sandy Darity & tone "tongtied" said white people would qualify for reparations !!
now check this... Sandy Darity & tone "tongtied" said white people would qualify for reparations !!
wut u talmbout Willis
U can’t b serious smh
now check this... Sandy Darity & tone "tongtied" said white people would qualify for reparations !!
So they willing to share their checks with white folk but says fuck you to other black cultures?
Makes sense
@1:01:00A transgender just called into her show and said they need reparations the most.
So these assholes spending 99% of their time online making cases for why other black cultures shouldn't be included in their reparations, instead of focusing on pressing the white folk for reparations? Lol Cube is a lone wolf making more progress then the ADOS cult. SMFH
It may not be a movement but the media does like to give platforms to those few who are
Fellas let just be honest; America has no incentive for reparations because she needs a bottom caste, a "look them they're the failures, don't be like be like them."
My man right here explains it ALL.
White society already has to compete against, now, Latino, Asians, and other communities, the last thing I believe they want to see is an economically viable and competitive Black Community.
BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
like i said, they spend a whole lots of energy on people (negligible percentage out of an already negligible percentage who dont make laws or have the group power or numbers to decide on reparations & who arent opposing reparation or forming groups or parties opposing them or reparations, other than a few no-name or no-face blackface twitter trolls , THEY NEED TO MANUFACTURE THESE IMAGINARY FOES !! they really think the whole world of black people just sits around thinking about reparatiosn & how to undermine "african american descendants of americas enslaved africans".. the delusion is heavy
This is no different from rightwing fauxnews style "war on christmas" "war on white people" "war on christianity" etc THEY NEED TO MANUFACTURE THESE IMAGINARY WARS & FOES so they can justify targeted fearmongering & hatred for black ppl but in this case its immigrants & fellow blackamericans with more recent foreign roots, its directly from the rightwing headquarters of their white masters puppeteer's playbook!
and it actually really is becos they both work for PFIR & RIGHTWING Racist John Tanton
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It may not be a movement but the media does like to give platforms to those few who are
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Fellas let just be honest; America has no incentive for reparations because she needs a bottom caste, a "look them they're the failures, don't be like be like them."
My man right here explains it ALL.
White society already has to compete against, now, Latino, Asians, and other communities, the last thing I believe they want to see is an economically viable and competitive Black Community.
Joy spoke her piece becos she was being attacked online becos of very clear Russian disinformation network at play run up to the election! (Yvette is a trump apologist!) ! Joy says that much but these ppl had more smoke for her than actual racists rightwingers who are incharge of dispensing reparation dollars! its been proved they were a russian disinformation army tool !
as for Amanda Seales ,they were mad at her becos shes equally proud of both sides of her family tree and she made no bones about it, it was the moment they were attacking anyone with a carribean background, her moms from Grenada ,her Dad from North Carolina i believe, so doesnt her voice count ? if Tone says white people can claim ados (white boy who was riding with them turned out to be a rightwing plant !) so what makes that cac's voice more relevant than Amanda Seales?
their silliness got so insane that if u were from Louisiana they dont classify u ados enuff !! Look at their attack of Angela
like i said ,i believe "african american descendants of americas enslaved africans" are due reparations specifically from the american government to "african american descendants of americas enslaved africans" alone and NO ONE IS DISPUTING THAT !!
just as in jamaica, haiti ,brazil etc but my opinion as a blackman who understand history & cacs nature enuff to strongly believe that it will never happen ! not for "african american descendants of americas enslaved africans" , not for haiti, not for jamaica , not for angola !
these people dont care about reparations, its just a tool & topic they use to fundraise, feel important about themselves by demonizing other black folks and anyone who deosnt bow down & accept everything they say 100% ! (shit!! they fighting now with the man they got their "DATA" from Sandy Darity himself !)..
who the fuck are they? , who the fuck made them spokespersons? who took the vote to call all 42million "african american descendants of americas enslaved africans" #ADOS ?
whaaattttttt??? :might be Yvette's Ex !A transgender just called into her show and said they need reparations the most.
bruh i aint kidding, lemme find the post ! i swear on all i love