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darth frosty said:
Nevada Trump supporters enlist data expert to prove election fraud and he debunks it instead (lancastercourier.com)

As outgoing President Donald Trump continues scheming to overturn the election results. his supporters in Nevada enlisted a data expert to investigate their claims of mass voter fraud, only for it to backfire in their faces.


Nevada has been a reliably Democratic state in presidential elections since 2008 and President-Elect Joe Biden’s victory there in 2020 ran along the same trends as past Democrats who won the state and went on to win the presidency. Biden received 50 percent of the vote in Nevada to Trump’s 47 percent. In the popular vote, Biden won by nearly 35,000 votes, making it clear that he won the state.

But Trump and his supporters have been crying election fraud for weeks and refuse to concede that Biden won legitimately even though they haven’t even provided evidence to prove their allegations, resulting in court loss after court loss, including the Supreme Court.


Despite that embarrassment, Trump supporters desperately sought the services of Rex Briggs, a data analysis expert, in the hopes that he would find proof of their election fraud claims, including everything from dead voters casting ballots, voting machines being tampered with, higher turnout than total voting population, and out-of-state voters just to name a few of the kooky claims made by those who are incapable of accepting that their guy lost fair and square.


Only Briggs’ investigation did not prove their allegations, it debunked them entirely by finding “no evidence of rigging the voter registration process for Biden in Nevada” and “no evidence of rigging turnout for Biden in Nevada” and “no evidence of stuffing ballots for Biden in Nevada.”



In fact, not only did Trump manage to over-perform in Nevada compared to the previous two Republican candidates in 2008 and and 2012, he improved by 2 percent over his 2016 tally. But in the bluest county where Trump and his supporters allege that Biden cheated, it turns out that Biden under-performed.

“Democrats actually lost ground in votes in Clark County, the main source of Democratic support in the state, slipping from 10.7% margin in 2016 to 10.0% in 2020,” Briggs said. “This makes Clark County an unlikely source of systemic widespread fraud by Democrats.”


Indeed, Biden outperformed Hillary Clinton, who only won 47 percent of the vote in 2016, by just 3 percent, below former President Barack Obama’s 52 percent in 2012.

Briggs also thoroughly debunked Trump’s claims that voting machines were rigged.



Math doesn’t lie, but Trump and his supporters do. That’s why they’ve been losing in court and it’s why Biden will be president on January 20th. He simply got more votes than Trump did. And he did it legitimately.


“I found nothing in the data that shows the election was rigged,” Briggs declared. “If anything, there are a few small factors that tilt slightly in favor of Republicans.”

Of course, this embarrassing setback won’t result in Trump and his supporters backing down. It only makes them more desperate, which is why they are resorting to calling for martial law and using the military to keep Trump in power. It’s pathetic and demonstrates why they lost by 7 million votes.
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Great Post!
 
rude_dog said:
I like AOC too but I want to ask you a question. Do you think someone like AOC should be serving in Congress? By that, I mean someone who hasn't really achieved a lot of success in life. I give her some benefit of the doubt because she's considered a minority in America. She's clearly intelligent and certainly would have achieved much more in life if she was a white man. I look at a lot of people in politics and they're clearly not that smart. She has mentioned it herself several times. I'm sort of the belief that a politician should be successful at life before moving on to politics.

Here's something to ponder in a similar vein. Should congress, especially the house (the people's house) consist of the average person? I would like demonstrative proof that my congressperson is smarter than me. I don't believe college makes someone smarter but smarter people do go to college.

Opinion | 95 Percent of Representatives Have a Degree. Look Where That’s Got Us. - The New York Times (nytimes.com)
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AOC has a double-major degree in Foreign Relations/Economics from Boston University. I'm not tryin to slight you, but I would say there is more demonstrative proof of her intelligence in the public record than yours. I think you pose an interesting question, but my thought is that the people's house should be comprised of the people. Wealth, class, and the systems that govern things like education make me more leery of what you're describing than I am of someone like AOC representing the people's interests. The fact that she has the credentials from those systems is just a bonus for me.
 
silentking said:
AOC has a double-major degree in Foreign Relations/Economics from Boston University. I'm not tryin to slight you, but I would say there is more demonstrative proof of her intelligence in the public record than yours. I think you pose an interesting question, but my thought is that the people's house should be comprised of the people. Wealth, class, and the systems that govern things like education make me more leery of what you're describing than I am of someone like AOC representing the people's interests. The fact that she has the credentials from those systems is just a bonus for me.
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I'm not questioning her intelligence. I'm saying as a rule I want people in congress to be smarter than me. I think she's of above average intelligence. If it had been a white man who was bartending, would you think that was an acceptable resume for a congressman? I give her the benefit of the doubt because she's a Hispanic female and presumably didn't have many opportunities but I wouldn't do the same for a white man. I'm leery of people who go into congress before achieving success in the real world.

Ideally for me is someone who had a working or middle-class upbringing and achieved some level of success before seeking office. I'm not just talking about business but could be academic or in the public sector.
 
rude_dog said:
I'm not questioning her intelligence. I'm saying as a rule I want people in congress to be smarter than me. I think she's of above average intelligence. If it had been a white man who was bartending, would you think that was an acceptable resume for a congressman? I give her the benefit of the doubt because she's a Hispanic female and presumably didn't have many opportunities but I wouldn't do the same for a white man. I'm leery of people who go into congress before achieving success in the real world.

Ideally for me is someone who had a working or middle-class upbringing and achieved some level of success before seeking office. I'm not just talking about business but could be academic or in the public sector.
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curious what would you say other members of congress had accomplished prior to their being elected?

What has your own congressperson accomplished that led you to vote for him/her?

And do you feel that person is smarter than you?
 
rude_dog said:
I'm not questioning her intelligence. I'm saying as a rule I want people in congress to be smarter than me. I think she's of above average intelligence. If it had been a white man who was bartending, would you think that was an acceptable resume for a congressman? I give her the benefit of the doubt because she's a Hispanic female and presumably didn't have many opportunities but I wouldn't do the same for a white man. I'm leery of people who go into congress before achieving success in the real world.

Ideally for me is someone who had a working or middle-class upbringing and achieved some level of success before seeking office. I'm not just talking about business but could be academic or in the public sector.
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Well, I think you are questioning her intelligence when you keep saying saying that, as a rule, you want people in congress smarter than you. There is no evidence whatsoever that you are anywhere near as smart as her. Her academic record is on the public record as well as what she's done with it. You speak about her being a waitress like its an automatic negative. I'm super glad that a Hispanic waitress from the Bronx can be this thorough. You can watch a public record of her online, right now, excoriating her colleagues on the House floor in expert fashion. Your record is a bgol thread where you aint half makin sense with your own points. You holding her to standards, then saying you wouldnt hold a white man to that standard....but qualifying it all with standards handed to you from that white man.
 
darth frosty said:
curious what would you say other members of congress had accomplished prior to their being elected?

What has your own congressperson accomplished that led you to vote for him/her?

And do you feel that person is smarter than you?
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My congressman is an Ivy League attorney so yeah, he's probably smarter than me.

I've dealt with numerous congresspeople, many were not that smart. I want someone smarter than me. The government handles complicated issues and I want someone who can understand them. I'm not saying that AOC can't but there are some that can't.

A lot of members of the house are not that smart. They became political active, get elected to something like the local school board, parlay that into a council seat and then run for the state house, then on to the U.S. house. Someone once said the problem with congress is that the salary is 140K and that's the best job they've ever held.

silentking said:
Well, I think you are questioning her intelligence when you keep saying saying that, as a rule, you want people in congress smarter than you. There is no evidence whatsoever that you are anywhere near as smart as her. Her academic record is on the public record as well as what she's done with it. You speak about her being a waitress like its an automatic negative. I'm super glad that a Hispanic waitress from the Bronx can be this thorough. You can watch a public record of her online, right now, excoriating her colleagues on the House floor in expert fashion. Your record is a bgol thread where you aint half makin sense with your own points. You holding her to standards, then saying you wouldnt hold a white man to that standard....but qualifying it all with standards handed to you from that white man.
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I didn't say I was holding her to standards that I wouldn't hold a white man to. In fact, I said pretty much the exact opposite. I said I was giving her the benefit of the doubt but I wouldn't give that same benefit to a white man. That is the opposite of what you understood.

I like AOC and agree with her on many issues but I wouldn't vote for her or anyone else in a primary that had been out of college for several years and was working as a bartender. Ain't nothing wrong with being a bartender but it ain't where I want to be. Someone once said don't take any advice from someone who doesn't have what you what. Congratulations to her for becoming a congresswoman, it's something I haven't achieved nor wanted to.

I'm not here to insult or trade insults with anyone. We can end this with agreeing to disagree. Merry Christmas!
 
rude_dog said:
My congressman is an Ivy League attorney so yeah, he's probably smarter than me.

I've dealt with numerous congresspeople, many were not that smart. I want someone smarter than me. The government handles complicated issues and I want someone who can understand them. I'm not saying that AOC can't but there are some that can't.

A lot of members of the house are not that smart. They became political active, get elected to something like the local school board, parlay that into a council seat and then run for the state house, then on to the U.S. house. Someone once said the problem with congress is that the salary is 140K and that's the best job they've ever held.


I didn't say I was holding her to standards that I wouldn't hold a white man to. In fact, I said pretty much the exact opposite. I said I was giving her the benefit of the doubt but I wouldn't give that same benefit to a white man. That is the opposite of what you understood.

I like AOC and agree with her on many issues but I wouldn't vote for her or anyone else in a primary that had been out of college for several years and was working as a bartender. Ain't nothing wrong with being a bartender but it ain't where I want to be. Someone once said don't take any advice from someone who doesn't have what you what. Congratulations to her for becoming a congresswoman, it's something I haven't achieved nor wanted to.

I'm not here to insult or trade insults with anyone. We can end this with agreeing to disagree. Merry Christmas!
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Merry Christmas, bro bro. I'm sorry for wherever I mistook your position. And I wasn't trying to insult you. I tried to give disclaimers, but again, my bad. I think we agree more than not.
 
BKF said:
A lot of words get thrown around but that doesn't equal most politicians were millionaires before entering politics. A good numbers of people increase their bottomline after entering politics. Hell Obama wasn't a millionaire, nor were the Clintons, the Bidens, Sanders, etc...
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Congress is a great place for networking, get a closer look on what is really going. For at least the next two years of your life, you cannot tell me staying in the room with some of the most powerful people in this country doesn’t at least influence you, learn about ways you can make money or least have Congress member on your resume for you to get other opportunities, you are doing something wrong. If you think about it, it is like you are running a business with a full staff and volunteers and you getting thousands, millions of people to vote for you to represent them, that you are the product that they producing.
 
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