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HeathCliff said:
I find it hilarious that all these suckers out here showing their ass yet Nancy is the only one who’s feet is getting held to the fire.
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That's what so obvious and make white Americans dumb as fuck. They'd rather drag AOC by name, Dems in general, and of course as the Speaker Pelosi who have been fighting for what they're now bitching about. Alternate universe shit.
 
silentking said:
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He wanted to be released from jail, apparently made a proffer to squealch if
he could get a 5 year sentence, and evidently would not retreat from that
position, and had to pay with his life for it. Only an idiot believes that a man,
by tying a paper bedsheet around his neck, anchoring it to the top of a bunk
bend, kneeling on floor, could asphyxiate himself by merely leaning forward.
The other prisoners who heard him screaming in a commotion that night
should be given the opportunity to talk. And now that Trump will be gone,
perhaps the 2 guards who were on duty that night, and have chosen going
to jail over telling what they know to the FBI will see the folly of, and change,
their ways.
 
mrcmd187 said:
:hellyea::hellyea:
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Well I told you that this could come. A senior US military officer does not really
retire until age 85. He is put on half pay (which is why Michael Flynn is getting
paid atleast $100, 000/ year) and can be recalled back to active service on the
whim of the military. When Flynn was faced with the prospect of going to jail in
connection with lying to the FBI, he was contrite and a model citizen. As soon as
he was pardoned, he returned to his arrogant and excessive ways.

Unfortunately, as a military offficer, Flynn swore an oath to the US constitution-
not to Trump, not the GOP, not to any person or entity, and not even the USA
itself. He swore an oath to defend the constitution of the US, the document and
its contents. Period point blank and nothing else. He, however, chose to undermine
the document by calling for its suspension

There is no way the US military is gonna let this go. They will wait until Trump
is out of office and then go after him.

Given the cowardly behaviour of Flynn when he was faced with the prospect of
going to jail, I suspect that the calls for his court-martialing will quell all of his
rantings for good. I suspect that we will not hear any more talk of martial law
from him. However, you only need to rob one time, and you are a criminal. I hope
the US military punishes the fellow by demoting him to a private and thereafter
summarily dismissing his ass.
 
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ODUB said:
That's what so obvious and make white Americans dumb as fuck. They'd rather drag AOC by name, Dems in general, and of course as the Speaker Pelosi who have been fighting for what they're now bitching about. Alternate universe shit.
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Because it’s easy.

The type of people who always wage wars against “inferior” people only to get their shits pushed in.
 
Soul On Ice said:
He can do no harm in yalls eyes
:lol:

How can any Black man hear that and still slurp dude.
And yes I heard the whole thing and it doesnt "put it into context" at all.
FOH
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Cool. So why post the chopped version and not the one you “ heard.” And “ he can do no wrong” kinda goes against what I just said about calling balls and strikes. All this “slurp” dude is unnecessary and unproductive. Let’s debate the facts. If he’s wrong let’s take him to task.But the nature of the video discussed narrowing the wealth gap right? Shouldn’t the next step be asking him what policies he would implement at HUD, SBA, etc and what laws would try to push through Congress to complete this goal?

Both Haters and Followers would agree on that right?
 
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NY Attorney General subpoenas pro-Trump trolls for voter suppression scheme
December 24, 2020
https://www.rawstory.com/jacob-wohl/

The New York Attorney General's office has issued subpoenas to right-wing trolls Jacob Wohl, 22, and Jack Burkman, 58, in connection to an alleged voter-intimidation robocall scheme that has already led to felony indictments in Ohio and Michigan, as well as a federal civil suit filed in the Southern District of New York.

The three subpoenas, each signed Dec. 22 and obtained by Salon, target Wohl, Burkman and Burkman's consulting firm, Burkman & Associates. Prosecutors are seeking information about who funded the robocalls, including about the source of funds in the firm's Bank of America account, as well as any relevant communications. More broadly, investigators also want to see all documents concerning Project 1599, Burkman's organization, which not only claims credit for the calls in the recordings but has also been linked to a number of other political stunts the duo has carried out over the years.

The New York Attorney General specifically asks about payments to a voice broadcasting company called Message Communications, which Wohl and Burkman paid for the service. Robert Mahanian, who runs the L.A.-based company, confirmed to Salon that he has complied with requests from a number of attorneys general regarding Wohl and Burkman.

"This really was disgusting, what they did," Mahanian said. He told Salon that Burkman and Wohl paid his company only $2,000 to place the calls, which went out to hundreds of thousands of people in communities of color across at least five states.
"They spent $2,000 with me, and I got complaints immediately. Literally the next day I terminated their account," said Mahanian, whose service he says can reach 100,000 recipients for less than $1,000.

An email from Burkman to Mahanian, revealed in the federal civil suit, reads: "Check to you Robert just went out in the 2 day pouch you will have in 2-3 days Then we attack."
In the recordings, a woman's voice falsely tells recipients that mail-in ballots could be used to "collect outstanding debt," "track down old warrants" and "track people for mandatory vaccines." The recordings said the calls came from Project 1599, Burkman's group.

"Stay safe," the call concludes, "and beware of vote by mail."
Prosecutors in Michigan and Ohio have charged Wohl and Burkman with numerous felony counts, including fraud, voter intimidation, bribery and related conspiracy charges, for allegedly stoking fears about voting by mail in a spate of phone calls that targeted minority communities this summer. Warrants have been issued for their arrest, and they each face a combined 42 years in prison if convicted on all counts.

Mahanian told Salon that his company has been in business since 2003 and typically blasts out public service calls for things like school closings or security bulletins. "I've never seen a criminal type situation arise from anyone using our network," he said. "This was just crazy," he added, calling the alleged scheme "disgusting" for the second time.

"I love these robo calls[.] getting angry black call backs[.] win or lose the black robo was a great jw idea," Burkman wrote Wohl in an email on Aug. 26, revealed by the plaintiffs in the federal civil lawsuit, which was brought on behalf of the National Coalition on Black Civic Participation and alleges that Wohl and Burkman violated the Ku Klux Klan Act with the calls. The "jw" in the email is an apparent reference to Jacob Wohl's initials.
"The right to vote is the most fundamental component of our nation's democracy," Cuyahoga County Prosecutor Michael O'Malley said in announcing the Ohio indictment in October. "These individuals clearly infringed upon that right in a blatant attempt to suppress votes and undermine the integrity of this election. These actions will not be tolerated. Anyone who interferes with others' right to vote must be held accountable."

In a statement announcing the charges in Michigan — where the pair went free after pleading not guilty and posting $100,000 bail — state Attorney General Dana Nessel indicated that investigations were ongoing in Ohio and New York, as well as in Pennsylvania and Illinois.

Mahanian told Salon that he had complied with requests from investigators in a number of states, some of which had not yet been made public. Burkman first paid Mahanian in June, according to one subpoena, for calls that Mahanian said Burkman oddly never ended up making. The second payment, in August, was connected to the calls currently under investigation.

In August, Burkman denied involvement but appeared to confess during a hearing New York hearing. When the judge asked whether he had been "acting alone or with anyone else prepared that message and caused it to be sent," Burkman replied in the affirmative.
"Oh, yes, your honor. Yes," he said, adding: "Yes. Yes. Yes."

Wohl and Burkman achieved internet infamy through a series of hapless attempts to tag their political enemies with absurd allegations of sexual impropriety, in which they coerced, paid or otherwise convinced real people to make the false accusations, often in slapdash news conferences held in the driveway of Burkman's Arlington, Va., townhome. An ill-devised but elaborate plot against former special counsel Robert Mueller collapsed in spectacular fashion, reportedly prompting the FBI to open an investigation into a fake intelligence company Wohl created for the purpose.

The New York Attorney General's office declined to comment. Burkman did not immediately respond to Salon's request for comment. Wohl replied to a text message seeking comment with: "???"
 
4 Dimensional said:
I'm a fan of AOC.
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I like AOC too but I want to ask you a question. Do you think someone like AOC should be serving in Congress? By that, I mean someone who hasn't really achieved a lot of success in life. I give her some benefit of the doubt because she's considered a minority in America. She's clearly intelligent and certainly would have achieved much more in life if she was a white man. I look at a lot of people in politics and they're clearly not that smart. She has mentioned it herself several times. I'm sort of the belief that a politician should be successful at life before moving on to politics.

Here's something to ponder in a similar vein. Should congress, especially the house (the people's house) consist of the average person? I would like demonstrative proof that my congressperson is smarter than me. I don't believe college makes someone smarter but smarter people do go to college.

Opinion | 95 Percent of Representatives Have a Degree. Look Where That’s Got Us. - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

Over the last few decades, Congress has diversified in important ways. It has gotten less white, less male, less straight — all positive developments. But as I was staring at one of the many recent Senate hearings, filled with the usual magisterial blustering and self-important yada yada, it dawned on me that there’s a way that Congress has moved in a wrong direction, and become quite brazenly unrepresentative.
No, it’s not that the place seethes with millionaires, though there’s that problem too.
It’s that members of Congress are credentialed out the wazoo. An astonishing number have a small kite of extra initials fluttering after their names.
According to the Congressional Research Service, more than one third of the House and more than half the Senate have law degrees. Roughly a fifth of senators and representatives have their master’s. Four senators and 21 House members have M.D.s, and an identical number in each body (four, 21) have some kind of doctoral degree, whether it’s a Ph.D., a D.Phil., an Ed.D., or a D. Min.
But perhaps most fundamentally, 95 percent of today’s House members and 100 percent of the Senate’s have a bachelor’s degree or higher. Yet just a bit more than one-third of Americans do.

“This means that the credentialed few govern the uncredentialed many,” writes the political philosopher Michael J. Sandel in “The Tyranny of Merit,” published this fall.

There’s an argument to be made that we should want our representatives to be a highly lettered lot. Lots of people have made it, as far back as Plato.
The problem is that there doesn’t seem to be any correlation between good governance and educational attainment that Sandel can discern. In the 1960s, he noted, we got the Vietnam War thanks to “the best and the brightest” — it’s been so long since the publication of David Halberstam’s book that people forget the title was morbidly ironic. In the 1990s and 2000s, the highly credentialed gave us (and here Sandel paused for a deep breath) “stagnant wages, financial deregulation, income inequality, the financial crisis of 2008, a bank bailout that did little to help ordinary people, a decaying infrastructure, and the highest incarceration rate in the world.”

Five years ago, Nicholas Carnes, a political scientist at Duke, tried to measure whether more formal education made political leaders better at their jobs. After conducting a sweeping review of 228 countries between the years 1875 and 2004, he and his colleague Noam Lupu concluded: No. It did not. A college education did not mean less inequality, a greater G.D.P., fewer labor strikes, lower unemployment or less military conflict.
Sandel argues that the technocratic elite’s slow annexation of Congress and European parliaments — which resulted in the rather fateful decisions to outsource jobs and deregulate finance — helped enable the populist revolts now rippling through the West. “It distorted our priorities,” Sandel told me, “and made for a political class that’s too tolerant of crony capitalism and much less attentive to fundamental questions of the dignity of work.”

Both parties are to blame for this. But it was Democrats, Sandel wrote, who seemed especially bullish on the virtues of the meritocracy, arguing that college would be the road to prosperity for the struggling. And it’s a fine idea, well-intentioned, idealistic at its core. But implicit in it is also a punishing notion: If you don’t succeed, you have only yourself to blame. Which President Trump spotted in a trice.

“Unlike Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, who spoke constantly of ‘opportunity’” Sandel wrote, “Trump scarcely mentioned the word. Instead, he offered blunt talk of winners and losers.”

Trump was equally blunt after winning the Nevada Republican caucuses in 2016. “I love the poorly educated!” he shouted.

A pair of studies from 2019 also tell the story, in numbers, of the professionalization of the Democratic Party — or what Sandel calls “the valorization of credentialism.” One, from Politico, shows that House and Senate Democrats are much more likely to have gone to private liberal arts colleges than public universities, whereas the reverse is true of their Republican counterparts; another shows that congressional Democrats are far more likely to hire graduates of Ivy League schools.

This class bias made whites without college degrees ripe for Republican recruitment. In both 2016 and 2020, two thirds of them voted for Trump; though the G.O.P. is the minority party in the House, more Republican members than Democrats currently do not have college degrees. All 11 are male. Most of them come from the deindustrialized Midwest and South.

Oh, and in the incoming Congress? Six of the seven new members without four-year college degrees are Republicans.

Of course, far darker forces help explain the lures of the modern G.O.P. You’d have to be blind and deaf not to detect them. For decades, Republicans have appealed both cynically and in earnest — it’s hard to know which is more appalling — to racial and ethnic resentments, if not hatred. There’s a reason that the Black working class isn’t defecting to the Republican Party in droves. (Of the nine Democrats in the House without college degrees, seven, it’s worth noting, are people of color.)

For now, it seems to matter little that Republicans have offered little by way of policy to restore the dignity of work. They’ve tapped into a gusher of resentment, and they seem delighted to channel it, irrespective of where, or if, they got their diplomas. Ted Cruz, quite arguably the Senate’s most insolent snob — he wouldn’t sit in a study group at Harvard Law with anyone who hadn’t graduated from Princeton, Yale or Harvard — was ready to argue on Trump’s behalf to overturn the 2020 election results, should the disgraceful Texas attorney general’s case have reached the Supreme Court.
Which raises a provocative question. Given that Trumpism has found purchase among graduates of Harvard Law, would it make any difference if Congress better reflected the United States and had more members without college degrees? Would it meaningfully alter policy at all?

It would likely depend on where they came from. I keep thinking of what Representative Al Green, Democrat of Texas, told me. His father was a mechanic’s assistant in the segregated South. The white men he worked for cruelly called him “the Secretary” because he could neither read nor write. “So if my father had been elected? You’d have a different Congress,” Green said. “But if it’d been the people who he served — the mechanics who gave him a pejorative moniker? We’d probably have the Congress we have now.”

It’s hard to say whether more socioeconomic diversity would guarantee differences in policy or efficiency. But it could do something more subtle: Rebuild public trust.

“There are people who look at Congress and see the political class as a closed system,” Carnes told me. “My guess is that if Congress looked more like people do as a whole, the cynical view — Oh, they’re all in their ivory tower, they don’t care about us — would get less oxygen.”
When I spoke to Representative Troy Balderson, a Republican from Ohio, he agreed, adding that if more members of Congress didn’t have four-year college degrees, it would erode some stigma associated with not having one.

“When I talk to high school kids and say, ‘I didn’t finish my degree,’ their faces light up,” he told me. Balderson tried college and loved it, but knew he wasn’t cut out for it. He eventually moved back to his hometown to run his family car dealership. Students tend to find his story emboldening. The mere mention of four-year college sets off panic in many of them; they’ve been stereotyped before they even grow up, out of the game before it even starts. “If you don’t have a college degree,” he explains, “you’re a has-been.” Then they look at him and see larger possibilities. That they can be someone’s voice. “You can become a member of Congress.”
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