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I don't think nobody ever questioned his athleticism...a healthy Westbrook is better than a healthy John Wall.
Stat wise, athleticism and explosiveness, I agree...

But basketball acumen and fit with the current team the Rockets have assembled...? No.

A healthy John Wall is better suited for this Rockets team and better suited to play alongside James Harden.

A HEALTHY JOHN WALL. I cannot stress that enough. Also let's not forget John Wall was explosive, quick, and a damn good athlete himself.
 
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I think y'all had to ship out Westbrook but I just don't get why y'all did it for Wall. I honestly thought y'all were just going to start rebuilding and this meant Harden was getting traded.
All reports indicate that John Wall wanted out of DC and that Houston was where he wanted to go.

Reports also indicate that Harden wanted him here. That's directly from Woj...

And Harden was likely never going to be traded. Teams just don't have the assets to return equal value to the Rockets. It was made clear that they wanted an ANTHONY DAVIS type return, and the teams equipped to offer that aren't a destination that Harden would have liked to join long term.

Now when the trade deadline comes and if the Rockets suck, are out of playoff contention, or James just wants out and demands a trade, then all bets are off..
 
Westbrook looking like Will Smith on THAT episode...



I wish him the best though... I liked the trade, felt it could work, and still think Westbrook is a damn good player...

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And the AUDACITY of the Knicks... wanting us to tack on more assets to take a perennial all star and former mvp to that shit show you currently have in NYC??? :smh:
 
All reports indicate that John Wall wanted out of DC and that Houston was where he wanted to go.

Reports also indicate that Harden wanted him here. That's directly from Woj...

And Harden was likely never going to be traded. Teams just don't have the assets to return equal value to the Rockets. It was made clear that they wanted an ANTHONY DAVIS type return, and the teams equipped to offer that aren't a destination that Harden would have liked to join long term.

Now when the trade deadline comes and if the Rockets suck, are out of playoff contention, or James just wants out and demands a trade, then all bets are off..

Oh make no mistake though if Harden wants out of Houston he can make it happen. We saw Lebron do it we saw Anthony Davis do it....at that point Houston would just have to take whatever they can for him.

Westbrook looking like Will Smith on THAT episode...



I wish him the best though... I liked the trade, felt it could work, and still think Westbrook is a damn good player...

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And the AUDACITY of the Knicks... wanting us to tack on more assets to take a perennial all star and former mvp to that shit show you currently have in NYC??? :smh:


I just don't get that Russell Westbrook is viewed that bad around the league. Nobody wanted him? Not saying its not true but I find it hard to believe.

Stat wise, athleticism and explosiveness, I agree...

But basketball acumen and fit with the current team the Rockets have assembled...? No.

A healthy John Wall is better suited for this Rockets team and better suited to play alongside James Harden.

A HEALTHY JOHN WALL. I cannot stress that enough. Also let's not forget John Wall was explosive, quick, and a damn good athlete himself.

Man maybe I have a different view of Wall its been awhile but to me he was a poor mans Westbrook. He had better handles I'd say but John Wall couldn't shoot and was turnover prone too.

I like the moves Rockets have made just this is mind boggling to me but maybe I'm undervaluing John Wall. Shit DC fans seem to be ecstatic he gone. :lol: Look at @Amajorfucup over there....he over there doing the cabbage patch and tootsie roll and shit he so damn happy.....
 
I hope before his career is all said and done, Russ ends up back in OKC. Like Iverson ending a Sixer and Wade with the Heat, Westbrook last time on the court should be in a OKC jersey.
 
I hope OKC is still around. Those OKC/Warriors games from a few years ago had some of the best NBA playoff crowds in years, especially in OKC.
They've destroyed their team so bad that unless this rebuild happens soon I don't know if they can keep that team there......I'd hate it for OKC.
 
BA trade grades: Who wins the Russell Westbrook-John Wall deal between the Rockets and Wizards?

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In a surprise blockbuster trade on Wednesday, the Houston Rockets and Washington Wizards swapped max-salary superstars Russell Westbrook and John Wall.

Who wins the deal? Did either team get better? How do the two stars fit with new teammates Bradley Beal and James Harden?
Let's break down the trade, grade how the Rockets and Wizards fared in their star swap and look ahead at what the deal means for both teams going forward.

Here are the deal details:

Rockets get: John Wall, protected 2023 first-round pick
Wizards get: Russell Westbrook

Houston Rockets: C+

A Westbrook-for-Wall swap was always the most obvious solution for the Rockets to Westbrook's desire for a trade. Almost any other team would surely have demanded draft picks in return to take on the remaining three years and $133 million on Westbrook's contract, and those remain in short supply in Houston because of the multiple picks and swaps given out to acquire Westbrook last summer.

In this construction, taking back Wall's similar contract allows the Rockets to actually add a first-round pick rather than sending one out. That pick is acknowledgement that Westbrook's value remains higher at the moment. He was, after all, an All-NBA third-team pick last season thanks to the most efficient sustained stretch of basketball of his career when Houston began playing without a center.

Wall, by contrast, is a major question coming off surgery to repair an Achilles tendon rupture. By opening night, it will have been nearly two full years since Wall most recently took the court in a competitive game, on Dec. 26, 2018 -- back when the Rockets still had Chris Paul as their All-Star point guard.

Even before undergoing surgery, Wall wasn't the same player after leading the Wizards to within a game of the conference finals in 2017. He managed only 73 combined games his last two seasons in Washington, producing at a sub-All-Star level when he was on the court.

The optimistic view is that Wall was far less than 100 percent then as he dealt with bone spurs in his left heel that dug into his Achilles and required surgery. The pessimistic view is that the condition of his Achilles worsened in a subsequent fall in his home that resulted in a rupture of the tendon and required a second surgery that cost him the entire 2019-20 season. And realistically, Wall is now 30 and has a game that -- much like the older Westbrook -- has always relied heavily on his athleticism.

It's impossible to gauge exactly where Wall is after his extended rehab, but it's unlikely he's still an All-Star point guard. It's possible that he'll come back scarcely capable of starting, much like we saw with the All-Star point guard who knocked Wall and the Wizards out of the 2017 playoffs, Isaiah Thomas. If so, Houston would have to eat a huge amount of salary to walk away with a first-round pick.

In the scenario where Wall is at least 85 percent of his pre-surgery self, there's still the question of how well he fits alongside James Harden. As well as both Harden and Westbrook played for long stretches last season, the Rockets never really managed to get both guards going at the same time.

Harden played at an MVP level while Westbrook struggled early in the season, then took a back seat when Westbrook shined after the move to small ball. In the playoffs, with Westbrook slowed by a quadriceps strain and coming back from experiencing COVID-19, Harden was more of a one-man show.

Much like Westbrook, Wall has spent his NBA career with the ball in his hands. In fact, before his injury in 2018-19, the only player with higher time of possession in the league was ... Harden (via Second Spectrum tracking data on NBA Advanced Stats). And much like Westbrook, Wall is less effective in an off-ball role because he's an iffy shooter. At 32%, Wall is a slightly better career 3-point shooter than Westbrook (30.5% and trending downward in recent seasons), but neither draws much respect from opponents as a shooter.

The last issue here in projecting Houston's upcoming season is availability. The best argument for the Westbrook-Paul trade was Westbrook's durability. That ended up backfiring on the Rockets, as Westbrook ended up sitting out one game of back-to-backs prior to the stoppage of play and missed time because of a quad injury in the bubble. Meanwhile, Paul stayed healthy all season with the Oklahoma City Thunder.

Now, Houston has downgraded again in terms of likely health. Players coming back from an Achilles rupture have historically missed about 20% of their team's games over the first season of their return, not counting any games missed during the rehab process. Swapping Westbrook for Wall might force the Rockets deeper into their weak bench.

So far, I've discussed this trade in terms of Houston's ability to win with Harden in the short term. With Harden apparently wanting out, that can't be the Rockets' only concern. If and when they decide to trade Harden, they're probably better off starting some sort of a rebuilding process with an extra draft pick in hand even if Wall is no longer as productive a player as Westbrook. From that standpoint, and in terms of dealing with the immediate issue of Westbrook wanting out, this deal is understandable.

Washington Wizards: D

For the Wizards even more than the Rockets, this has the air of kicking the can down the road rather than actually dealing with the issue. In Washington's case, that's the future of All-Star guard Bradley Beal, who has two years left on his contract before potential free agency in the summer of 2022.

According to the reporting, the Beal-Wall relationship was always fraught, and bringing Wall back into the mix after Beal had taken on a larger role in his absence figured to be a challenge. Beal didn't necessarily handle the ball more last season, but his usage rate rose to a career-high 34% of the Wizards' plays after it had never previously been any higher than 28%. Would Wall have willingly acceded to a secondary role in support of Beal? We'll never know.

In this case, again, the fit is hardly much better with Westbrook in Wall's place. Wall is ball-dominant, but as much in the service of setting up his teammates as scoring himself. The 2016-17 season was the only time he has cracked a 30% usage rate. Meanwhile, 31% is the floor for Westbrook's usage since his first two seasons in the NBA.

Clearly, Washington will be better off with Beal as the primary scorer. He managed to shoulder the extra load last season without any decline in efficiency, posting a .579 true shooting percentage that was right in line with his .581 mark in 2018-19. (There was a noticeable drop-off in Beal's effort at the defensive end of the court.) Westbrook's best career true shooting percentage is .554, so any shots he takes from Beal probably will be less efficient ones.

In part, this brings us to an age-old Scott Brooks question dating to his days as the Oklahoma City coach: How much should he stagger rotations to separate the minutes for Westbrook and his more efficient, high-scoring teammate? Beal and Wall nearly always shared the court together, which made sense given Wall's playmaking was more complementary to Beal's ability to knock down open shots. The Westbrook-Beal pairing will be maximized by playing apart as much as possible.

In the short term, it's certainly possible Westbrook could see a lift in his offensive efficiency in Washington. He'll be surrounded by the best shooting of his career, particularly when he plays with Davis Bertans, whose 4.5 3-pointers per 36 minutes led qualifying players last season. We saw during January and February how effective Westbrook can still be when given proper floor spacing.

But Westbrook is 32 and his athleticism is going to head only in the wrong direction at this point. He doesn't fit a Wizards roster that has trended younger. Veteran reserves Robin Lopez and Ish Smith are the two other Washington players in their 30s. As the Wizards ponder a post-Beal future, building around a declining Westbrook with young talent doesn't really make sense.

Worse yet, a rebuilding Washington team could at some point find itself out of a lottery pick because of this trade. The protections prevent the Wizards from ever giving up a premier draft pick -- the highest possible being the ninth overall selection in 2026 -- but Washington might have to sweat out some lotteries if the team is neither in the playoffs nor truly awful.

I get the reasons the Wizards would make this deal, and it's worth noting that they have more information on Wall's current condition than others do. Nonetheless, it's a move I would not have made. I don't think it either makes Washington a likely playoff team now or positions the team to move forward without Beal.
 
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What's next for four superstars after the Russell Westbrook-John Wall trade

What are the league-wide implications of the surprise Russell Westbrook-for-John Wall trade?

On Wednesday, the Washington Wizards and Houston Rockets agreed to flip the point guards, with a protected first-round pick also going to Houston. Westbrook is coming off of his first season in Houston, and Wall hasn't played since December 2018.

What's next for the teams and superstars involved? What about James Harden, Bradley Beal and any team looking to trade for either player?
Our NBA experts break down the deal and the fallout.


Russell Westbrook's make-or-break moment

Westbrook is one of the most polarizing players in recent NBA history. His talent is undeniable, but so is his ability to frustrate anybody who roots for him. This deal gives Westbrook a chance to align his all-world basketball talent with a better on-court approach.


At 32, his time is running out. His game depends on the exact kinds of speed and leaping ability that often dwindle at his age. If Westbrook is ever going to evolve into a more effective version of himself, it must happen now, or this deal will age poorly for Washington.

At his best, Westbrook is one of the finest attacking guards in the game. His explosiveness is legendary and enables him to get into the paint and finish at the rim with ease. He ranked third overall in the league last season in points in the paint, trailing only Giannis Antetokounmpo and Zion Williamson by putting up 15 points per game. That's really good.

But here's the problem: Westbrook's career is also defined by his obstinate insistence on taking jumpers, despite the fact that he's just not very good at it. Of the 50 players who have launched at least 2,500 jumpers the past five seasons, Westbrook ranks last in shooting efficiency, logging a putrid effective field goal percentage (eFG) of just 42.5%. That's on 4,814 attempts. Oof.

Westbrook's shot chart from last season offers a familiar refrain that dates to when he last played for coach Scott Brooks in Oklahoma City (now his coach in Washington): dangerous near the hoop and bad everywhere else.



For a two-month period before the 2020 season stopped, Westbrook showed promising signs, putting together one of the best stretches of his career. His shot selection improved, and his numbers were awesome. In the 19 games between Jan. 1 and the shutdown, Westbrook ranked second in the NBA in scoring (31.7 PPG), converted 52.7% of his shots and led the league in points in the paint by pouring in 19.4 per game. Those are phenomenal figures, folks.

Then the wheels came off. Westbrook contracted the coronavirus before arriving at the Florida bubble and then suffered a quad injury. When he was on the floor, he reverted to his pesky bad habits.

Which Westbrook will show up in Washington? We're less than a year removed from seeing a version of Russ that is still scary, but the headstrong point guard in love with crooked jumpers should be frightening to only his own team. -- Kirk Goldsberry

John Wall (5) and Russell Westbrook (9) have 14 All-Star appearances between them. David Dow/NBAE via Getty Images

John Wall's stubborn comeback

Three years ago, I found myself at DeMarcus Cousins' locker in Sacramento talking about his close friend John Wall. Even though Wall was in the middle of a career-best season, he'd had a run of relative bad luck with injuries, his shoe deal coming apart and his max contract having been signed just before a salary-cap spike.

"What people have to know is John is stubborn as hell," Cousins said. "He will always bounce back. Always."

If there were ever a time for a Wall revival, it is now, as he is reunited with Cousins on a new team in Houston. He hasn't played in an NBA game since Dec. 26, 2018, after heel surgery and a devastating torn Achilles. The contract Wall got for that career season in 2016-17 -- four years and $140 million -- is regarded as such an albatross that the Wizards had to attach a first-round pick to it to make this trade.

Last year, Wall's mother and greatest advocate died after a battle with cancer. A few months ago, he had to formally apologize after a video surfaced of him displaying gang signs. He reportedly requested a trade out of Washington, where he was one of the most popular players of the past 20 years.

For Wall to turn his career around, it will take all the stubbornness he has.

The word leaking from L.A. and Miami workouts in recent weeks was that Wall looks totally rejuvenated after his long recovery. If that's true, it would buck the trend of what Achilles injuries consistently have done to NBA guards in their 30s.

There's plenty of room for a comeback story, but expectations will be low, as all eyes in Houston continue to be on Harden and his trade request. Even if they hope to delay it, the Rockets appear headed for a rebuild. With three years left on his deal, Wall might have to live through all of it. -- Brian Windhorst


Reliving the Westbrook, Harden duo in their lone season with Rockets

With Russell Westbrook moving to the Wizards, take a look back at his highlight-reel moments with James Harden in their one season together on the Rockets.

James Harden's future

Houston's decision-makers do not believe that this deal drastically alters the suddenly strained dynamic between Harden and the organization. It certainly doesn't change the franchise's stance regarding the perennial MVP candidate, who the Rockets fully anticipate will at least begin the season in Houston, as a high-ranking team source told ESPN in the wake of Wednesday's trade.

Houston's front office is confident that the team can be competitive this season. Rookie general manager Rafael Stone has remodeled the roster in his first weeks on the job, adding skilled centers Christian Wood and DeMarcus Cousins in free agency before this sell-low swap of max-salary PGs. The Rockets are hopeful that winning will ease Harden's itchiness for an exit while recognizing that the pressure to trade him will intensify if early returns indicate that the team is not capable of contending.

With two guaranteed seasons remaining on his contract, Harden can't just bully his way to his desired destination of Brooklyn. The Rockets have made it clear that they'd require a king's ransom -- starting with a young franchise cornerstone and a massive picks package, per sources -- in any potential deal for Harden. (Houston understood that Westbrook had much less market value and pounced when the asset of a protected first-round pick was attached to Wall.)

As the face of the franchise, Harden earned the right to have heavy influence on the Rockets' past moves to pair him with superstars -- first Dwight Howard, then Chris Paul and finally Westbrook. However, Harden won't enjoy the same power in negotiations for him to pack his bags and play with stars elsewhere -- not when time is on the Rockets' side. -- Tim MacMahon

James Harden will have his third All-Star point guard in the backcourt when John Wall joins Houston. Jim McIsaac/Getty Images


Bradley Beal's new challenge

This is Bradley Beal's team. There was little doubt that had John Wall returned to the Wizards this season, he was coming back to a different franchise and a different Beal. In Wall's absence, Beal flourished into a playmaker, averaging career highs of 30.5 points and 6.1 assists in 2019-20.

Together, Beal and Wall couldn't get the Wizards past the second round. They haven't been to the playoffs since 2017-18. Now, Beal and head coach Scott Brooks are tasked with finding a way to help a singular, complicated talent in Westbrook fit with this roster desperate to make the postseason.

Without Wall, Beal averaged a league-high 22.9 shots per game last season and shined as the team's primary playmaker. Westbrook changes that dynamic. Similar to Wall, Westbrook has been at his best when the focal point of the offense. Staggering Beal's and Westbrook's minutes -- along with Westbrook accepting a secondary role -- might be necessary for both to flourish.

Beal signed an extension in October 2019 that temporarily quieted trade chatter but never really suppressed interest across the league. GM Tommy Sheppard has been adamant that Beal isn't going anywhere.

This team has two important recent lottery picks in Rui Hachimura and Deni Avdija, but Washington's future before and after this trade revolved around Beal. He has made it clear that he loves D.C. We'll see if a new co-star's presence helps keep him there. -- Ohm Youngmisuk

Harden's and Beal's potential suitors

This supermax swap will have a domino effect on the trade market. The question is if that will come before the trade deadline or in the 2021 offseason.

Acquiring Westbrook should buy time for Washington when it comes to the future of Bradley Beal, who has a player option for 2022. Beal likely remains off-limits in trade talks for teams such as the Brooklyn Nets and Philadelphia 76ers until next summer. But if this doesn't work and the Wizards end up back in the lottery, history says that players as good as Beal on expiring contracts usually end up moving on.

Harden's situation as a trade candidate is more complicated. Unlike the New Orleans Pelicans with Anthony Davis or the San Antonio Spurs with Kawhi Leonard, the Rockets are not backed into a corner following Harden's trade request because he's under contract through 2022-23 (though the last year is a player option). But that doesn't mean Houston should ignore calls about the superstar guard.

The Nets or 76ers could start slowly, leading to pressure to make big moves. Would the Nets get desperate and make a kitchen-sink offer (Caris LeVert, Spencer Dinwiddie, Jarrett Allen, four future unprotected first-rounders and two pick swaps) if they are hovering around .500 in mid-January? Would the 76ers reach the point of offering Ben Simmons, Matisse Thybulle and multiple firsts?

Those packages are too rich before the season starts. This trade doesn't change that. But if Harden maintains his preference to leave and one of these teams is ready to make an overwhelming offer, Houston should certainly listen. -- Bobby Marks
 
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Stat wise, athleticism and explosiveness, I agree...

But basketball acumen and fit with the current team the Rockets have assembled...? No.

A healthy John Wall is better suited for this Rockets team and better suited to play alongside James Harden.

A HEALTHY JOHN WALL. I cannot stress that enough. Also let's not forget John Wall was explosive, quick, and a damn good athlete himself.

How, when has John Wall played off the ball?

When has Harden?
 
He's a clown and he thinks because Doc's gone he can do this. He's a clown because Doc was riding for his hoe ass all playoffs long. I would've benched him the minute he let Seth Curry punk him. Doc didn't show no bias towards him even though he dogged out his daughter too....

Doc covered for his soft ass and then he went and did this shit. :smh:
 
Westbrook looking like Will Smith on THAT episode...



I wish him the best though... I liked the trade, felt it could work, and still think Westbrook is a damn good player...

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And the AUDACITY of the Knicks... wanting us to tack on more assets to take a perennial all star and former mvp to that shit show you currently have in NYC??? :smh:


I think the Snickers should have gone after him.

There's no reason to watch that team, and at least Russ is a all star level player.

and nobody on the Knicks should be untradeable

but Russ is in his 30's, seems to be more injury prone now and he depends on his athleticism because his outside shooting is streaky at best
 
Wall says that the nba has never seen a 100%, fully healthy John Wall.

On his career thus far he says, "damn near the whole 5 years i was an all star i played with two bone spurs in my knee and my heel... people don't know that... they ain't even get the best of John Wall yet, they just got a clip of him..."

What say you, @Amajorfucup? He selling wolf tickets?

I will stand on this much:

A healthy John Wall has a better understanding of the game of basketball... is a better shooter than Westbrook... is a better fit with what Silas will likely run offensively... and has a game more complimentary to that of James Harden... so this has potential to be scary good....

On the flip side, it has potential to be scary bad. 3 players coming back from Achilles injuries, tons of explosive personalities that could rub a referee the wrong way, seemingly disgruntled franchise player, and a whole new coaching and leadership staff incoming...

This will be interesting to say it lightly.
Man he typically has the same speech approaching every season bro.. "this my year... im healthy... i think we will be the best backcourt...". Look man, guys in the NBA dont get better at 30. I wish the guy well and i appreciate all his charitable efforts in the city... But it was time for him to go. And after that video leak this summer, that kinda sealed his fate. Im glad we finally moved on. I was sincerely scared shitless after a two year layoff he would comeback, be shit, and be unmovable. Im happy they were able to move him before the season. Hopefully the move snaps something into him and he gets his shit together.
 

He shouldn't be. Just like joker in Denver got pissed at the fact that people still say the Clippers lost instead of Denver won. 3-1 lead be damned they (Denver) felt they were the better team and the fact that they overcame that deficit is as much a testament to their team as it is to the Clippers clipping...
Its all about perspective but eveyone knows if KD and Kay are healthy then its a different game. Hell if Klay is healthy its different. But injuries are apart of the game....
 
"Klutz Sports" strikes again @LordSinister

All they do is get Black men paid.
I'm for it, just be ready to defend them if either one gets hurt and they can't get anyone to play for the minimum.

I openly called for Kobe to be Amnestied before his 2 year 52 million dollar extension. One thing you can say about the Lakeshow is they pay their stars who deliver chips and fill the stands. :yes: :yes:
 
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