Joe Biden is now POTUS

[Camille]

Yall not getting it... defund the police was a message to the kkkops,

that if they DONT stop LYNCHING moorish men aka so called "black" men..

they will be defunded..

yall sleeping.. for a minute there, there was a so called lynching taking place every other month, calling it a fucking suicide..

even tho the masses are lost and count on mass media for thought patterns and talking points..

those IN THE KNOW... KNOW these lynchings were murders pulled off by kkkops....

trying to send a message...

notice those lynchings stopped, and the police took a big step back from racial profiling... there is still a police state in our communities but that defund the police...

CONTAINED the FUCK out of them....

these kkkops are murdering us and using the law to hide behind... talks of defunding them...

made them rethink their motives...

kkkops need to be defunded and the funding needs to be back in the hood so moorish men can be armed with the law to protect their own

thats the only answer...

We live in a society that only reads headlines. If you have to explain your slogan, it's not a good one. You shouldn't have to spend 3/4 of each conversation getting everyone on the same page and explaining what it means. Yes people should want to be more involved, but most don't have time. You have to grab their attention, they aren't going to seek you out. The only reason it's survived this long is because of covid, some folks have enough time to digest the background info and be informed this time around.

 

[Spectrum]

 

[BKF]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/five-myths/five-myths-about-black-voters/2019/12/06/89195a7c-1788-11ea-8406-df3c54b3253e_story.html

Black voters are liberal.


"One of the defining phenomena of contemporary American electoral politics is the black electorate’s large and enduring support for the Democratic Party, which has concurrently moved leftward: Its presidential candidates have received an average of nearly 90 percent of the black vote for the past six decades. Many conclude that black voters’ liberal preferences, carried over from economic and racially progressive policies of the civil rights movement and Jesse Jackson’s presidential campaigns of 1984 and 1988, led this shift. MSNBC host Joy-Ann Reid wrote that Jackson’s radical liberalism helped pave the way for Bernie Sanders’s rise.


And the Black Lives Matter movement tried to push Hillary Clinton left, changing liberal politics in the process. As a result, senior politics writer David Catanese held in U.S. News & World Report, “the most liberal list of policy positions” would be Sanders’s “best gambit to win over African Americans.” And Noah Millman made the case in the Week that Sen. Elizabeth Warren’s liberal economic populism may be the key to winning black voters.

But black voters’ support of Democratic candidates is a function of electoral pragmatism — voting in a risk-averse fashion to preserve gains, instead of ideologically in hopes of immediate transformative change — not devotion to left-wing ideology. In surveys, more than half of black Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents prefer a public option for health care over Medicare-for-all, and two-thirds of black Americans favor charter schools and choice programs, which stray from party orthodoxy.

Only 28 percent of black Democrats consider themselves liberal, according to the Pew Research Center, while 70 percent identify as moderate or conservative. And black liberal Democrats constitute just 17 percent of the left wing of the party, Gallup found. Black voters’ political diversity is more visible in local and state politics: A 2007 study of direct-democracy referendums in California found that black voters were split between the conservative and liberal positions, for example. And Republicans have succeeded in appealing to moderate and conservative black voters in state races, as Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan did in his 2018 reelection campaign, when he won more than a quarter of the bloc."

 

[BKF]

first of all, this article says Black people are Democrats today because we are just supposed to be.

2nd, it does not give one example of HOW we are conservative, it just SAYS we are.

if Black people believe in spending on social programs, civil rights expansion and protection and freedom to be themselves unless the constitution says otherwise, those Black folks are liberal.

Yet what if black folk believe in all of that but want to be fiscally conservative about the spending? Are those folks still liberals and at what point are you no longer liberal?

 

[Rudey]

 

[praetor]

Trump's "concession" at the end.

 

[BigDaddyBuk]

Yet what if black folk believe in all of that but want to be fiscally conservative about the spending? Are those folks still liberals and at what point are you no longer liberal?

If "if" was a spliff we'd both be high.

I'm not dealing with hypotheticals.

As long as we support social programs, safety nets, Medicare and social security we're fiscal liberals.

As long as we support civil rights we're social liberals.

As long as we support the right to live free of the suppression from a police state, we're constitutional liberals.

 

[Spectrum]

slow motion coup

 

[silentking]

Yet what if black folk believe in all of that but want to be fiscally conservative about the spending? Are those folks still liberals and at what point are you no longer liberal?

If "if" was a spliff we'd both be high.

I'm not dealing with hypotheticals.

As long as we support social programs, safety nets, Medicare and social security we're fiscal liberals.

As long as we support civil rights we're social liberals.

As long as we support the right to live free of the suppression from a police state, we're constitutional liberals.

Black folks, traditionally, have been conservative on a lot of social issues. A lot of older black voters are still not really with gay marriage and shit like that. Traditionally, the church was the center of political engagement in the black community so this type of thinking made sense. However, as Buk is saying, we have also always backed social safety net programs, Medicare, Social Security, and most importantly civil rights, and these by definition make us socially liberal overall. Socially, Republicans are beyond conservative....they are regressive. If they could legislate us back into chains they would do it. So, when our very freedom is seen as a liberal agenda, then that makes the majority of us liberal by default.

 

[blackpepper]

Instead they could have used something like "Rethink the Police" "Demilitarize the Police" or "Reform the Police"

• Rethink = Do Police really need to be called for an autistic kid whose spazzing out on their mom? For someone suffering from a mental episode?
• Demilitarize = Do the Police really need a tank?
• Reform = Spend time on proper training and allocate funds towards additional agencies to handle person welfare calls where police have no experience in handling those in need of counseling.

Americans are dumb as hell and they gave Chump Supporters/Republicans a bone with the whole "defund" talk.

Sounds like re-branding is in order.

 

[BigDaddyBuk]

Black folks, traditionally, have been conservative on a lot of social issues. A lot of older black voters are still not really with gay marriage and shit like that. Traditionally, the church was the center of political engagement so this type of thinking made sense. However, as Buk is saying, we have also always backed social safety net programs, Medicare, Social Security, and most importantly civil rights, and these by definition make us socially liberal overall. Socially, Republicans are beyond conservative....they are regressive. If they could legislate us back into chains they would do it. So, when our very freedom is seen as a liberal agenda, then that makes the majority of us liberal by default.

Uh...who are you????

 

[easy_b]

Some Republicans is going to pay the price for this bullshit in the meantime......

 

[silentking]

Uh...who are you????

 

[Spectrum]

 

[veritech]

preach.

 

[BKF]

Black folks, traditionally, have been conservative on a lot of social issues. A lot of older black voters are still not really with gay marriage and shit like that. Traditionally, the church was the center of political engagement in the black community so this type of thinking made sense. However, as Buk is saying, we have also always backed social safety net programs, Medicare, Social Security, and most importantly civil rights, and these by definition make us socially liberal overall. Socially, Republicans are beyond conservative....they are regressive. If they could legislate us back into chains they would do it. So, when our very freedom is seen as a liberal agenda, then that makes the majority of us liberal by default.

I understand what he's saying. Yet my point is that while we support those programs we have very conservative views. For instance while we may support a women's right to choose, we're also not in favor of abortions.
While we support social programs, we also support being fiscally responsible. So we are not the far left of the party. We are more towards the center to center right of the party. Now if you want to say black folk are still liberal, fine, but as I said. We are not the far left of the party.

 

[silentking]

I understand what he's saying. Yet my point is that while support those programs we have very conservative views. For instance while we may support a women's right to chose, we're also not in favor of abortion.
While we support social programs, we also support being fiscally responsible. So we are not the far right of the party. We are more towards the center to center right of the party. Now if you want to say black folk are still liberal, fine, but as I said. We are not the far fight of the party.

I agree with that, I think the miscommunication is that being in the center of the left leaning party doesn't make you center right.....if anything it makes you center left.

 

[BKF]

I agree with that, I think the miscommunication is that being in the center of the left leaning party doesn't make you center right.....if anything it makes you center left.

One of the articles I posted showed that 17% of black folk are to the far left. Something like 60% or are to the center to center right.

 

[silentking]

One of the articles I posted showed that 17% of black folk are to the far left. Something like 60% or are to the center to center right.

I've been reading through the back and forth today and I feel like you and Buk are mostly saying the same thing, it's just a disagreement on where that falls on the political spectrum. I'm of the mind that as long as issues like civil rights, police reform, etc are considered "progressive" then black folks are more progressive than not.

 

[BKF]

I've been reading through the back and forth today and I feel like you and Buk are mostly saying the same thing, it's just a disagreement on where that falls on the political spectrum. I'm of the mind that as long as issues like civil rights, police reform, etc are considered "progressive" than black folks are more progressive than not.

Here's the correct percentages.

"Only 28 percent of black Democrats consider themselves liberal, according to the Pew Research Center, while 70 percent identify as moderate or conservative. And black liberal Democrats constitute just 17 percent of the left wing of the party, Gallup found. Black voters’ political diversity is more visible in local and state".

 

[Rudey]

This shit is COMEDY!

 

[BigDaddyBuk]

I understand what he's saying. Yet my point is that while we support those programs we have very conservative views. For instance while we may support a women's right to choose, we're also not in favor of abortions.
While we support social programs, we also support being fiscally responsible. So we are not the far left of the party. We are more towards the center to center right of the party. Now if you want to say black folk are still liberal, fine, but as I said. We are not the far left of the party.

We may not like abortion, but we don't vote against it. That makes us liberal.

Our opinions do not make our political identity.

 

[Spectrum]

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

Most Gerrymandered States 2025

Discover population, economy, health, and more with the most comprehensive global statistics at your fingertips.

worldpopulationreview.com

tell me which states are controlled by republicans and which are controlled by democrats.

then look at all the other states and see who controls them.

youll notice a pattern.

This is from last year...

 

[silentking]

Here's the correct percentages.

"Only 28 percent of black Democrats consider themselves liberal, according to the Pew Research Center, while 70 percent identify as moderate or conservative. And black liberal Democrats constitute just 17 percent of the left wing of the party, Gallup found. Black voters’ political diversity is more visible in local and state".

I see what you're saying based on those numbers. But conservative for black people means something different than it does in the broader political landscape. Political "conservatives" are, for the most part, racists who understand voting. When that is the case, our existence and freedom is a liberal agenda.

We may not like abortion, but we don't vote against it. That makes us liberal.

Our opinions do not make our political identity.

^^^This

 

[kidmegaii]

Heh, lord have mercy LOL

 

[BKF]

I see what you're saying based on those numbers. But conservative for black people means something different than it does in the broader political landscape. Political "conservatives" are, for the most part, racists who understand voting. When that is the case, our existence and freedom is a liberal agenda.

^^^This

What you are missing is the common connection and that is one thing...people's wallets/pocketbooks. So while white conservatives is about racism. It is also about dollars and sense. So we connect with conservatives on that end of the spectrum and we connect with dems in the social end of the spectrum.
Make no mistake white liberalism means a different than than black liberalism.

 

[Dota]

PLEASE let then find a nigga tweet so it can end his political career.

 

[West Endian]

There are plenty third parties. None of them have enough influence ($$$) to really make a real run though. Closest one was the Reform Party many years ago.

Yes,correct. As you stated none of them carry any weight unfortunately.

 

[Sango]

Listen,

If Biden doesn't make Schiff AG and just let him go to the work, he'll deserve all the obstruction he's going to get.

Tracking his cabinet closely. Warren for Treasury Secretary. Inslee somewhere with climate change responsibilities. Weingarten at Education for the teachers union...

Joe better remember that McConnell said "make Obama a one-term president" - he was referring to you Joe. Take it personal and fight back with revenge on your mind for all i care. We're not worried about the country coming together. We're worried about these policies, bills, judges, police brutality, systemic racism....

 

[silentking]

What you are missing is the common connection and that is one thing...people's wallets/pocketbooks. So while white conservatives is about racism. It is also about dollars and sense. So we connect with conservatives on that end of the spectrum and we connect with dems in the social end of the spectrum.
Make no mistake white liberalism means a different than than black liberalism.

There's a lot about this that I agree with. However, just as you clearly pointed out the difference in black and white liberalism, those differences are present between black and white conservatism. Black folks care about their wallets, no doubt, and that is a certain type of fiscal conservatism. But "fiscal conservatives" in the broad political spectrum are against all the things we discussed earlier that are bedrock to black people in this country.

 

[Spectrum]

Tracking his cabinet closely. Warren for Treasury Secretary. Inslee somewhere with climate change responsibilities. Weingarten at Education for the teachers union...

Joe better remember that McConnell said "make Obama a one-term president" - he was referring to you Joe. Take it personal and fight back with revenge on your mind for all i care. We're not worried about the country coming together. We're worried about these policies, bills, judges, police brutality, systemic racism....

I don't think he can appoint Warren to anything. Isn't her Governor a Republican and can appoint her replacement?

 

[silentking]

I don't he can appoint Warren to anything. Isn't her Governor a Republican and can appoint her replacement?

Yep. Warren is gonna do whatever she's gonna do from the Senate. That was something that came up in considering her for VP. Kamala is from a state with a Dem governor so her Senate seat was safe.

 

[Keepthapeace]

Pakman has a point, so Dems rigged illegal votes to help Lindsay and b*tch ass Mitch and all other Republicans, but not Trump FOH

B*tch ass white folk... The white old men in power always want it both ways to favor their agenda and dumb mfkers entertain that bullshyt.

And white women quick to play victim when their agenda is fk'd up.

Shyt is irritating af we got to be grouped with so many dumb, b*tch ass mfkers as if the last 4 years wasn't enough. One of Trump's head of elections enforcement resigned... all of his administration and attys need to walk out and leave just him and Barr with the recount bs.

 

[BKF]

There's a lot about this that I agree with. However, just as you clearly pointed out the difference in black and white liberalism, those differences are present between black and white conservatism. Black folks care about their wallets, no doubt, and that is a certain type of fiscal conservatism. But "fiscal conservatives" in the broad political spectrum are against all the things we discussed earlier that are bedrock to black people in this country.

No doubt and that is why I also pointed out that we have connection to both but we also deviate from both white conservatism and liberalism.

Each has a basis steeped in racism.