Joe Biden is now POTUS

[BKF]

You don't understand this shit, son. I'm telling you. Go educate yourself. As long as you keep thinking that the country is right or center-right, when it's clearly, factual not, you're gonna keep confusing correlation which causation and ranting.

I didn't say the country is liberal either. You also struggle with reading comprehension.

I'm telling you, I'm not going to continue to argue with a muthafucka who doesn't have the sense to understand basic concepts about WHY Republicans control more state legislatures DESPITE getting fewer votes than democrats in the very states they control.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/11/13/least-three-states-republicans-lost-popular-vote-won-house/

Once again lil bitch..as I keep telling you being center to center right has nothing to do with which party you belong to or vote for. There's the fkaw in your argument.
Secondly you seem to think only republican engage in gerrymandering. Both parties do it.

 

[Spectrum]

This shit the GOP is running with Trump is mainly about this shit. The second part is placating Trump, but this is the main goal. All this shit is about control of the Senate.

 

[BKF]

Dude...back in 2000 Republicans realized that they could not win the popular vote anymore. They realized that within states they couldn't win elections. The country has been moving left since Nixon.

They win because they cheat. Voter suppression, nullification and gerrymandering.

Gerrymandering is done by both parties. As I keep telling ole boy. Being center to center right has nothing to do with party. Hardcore liberals and conservatives are the extremes of both parties. Most people are more towards the center in their views.

 

[Spectrum]

Dude...back in 2000 Republicans realized that they could not win the popular vote anymore. They realized that within states they couldn't win elections. The country has been moving left since Nixon.

They win because they cheat. Voter suppression, nullification and gerrymandering.

It's so simple, but he's married to a flawed premise. It's like he's designed his entire philosophy around the world being flat... you show him a globe and he's not willing to see it because it blows up everything he believes in. It's sad.

 

[carsun1000]

Trump's sons running the GOP would likely be a dream come true for the Democrats.

I see what you’re saying but this must not be taken lightly. Just to think Trumpism was supported by 71 million Americans is a big statement. Americans seem to be veering away from normal people and normal politics. That can prove costly if the MAGA virus continues to spread.

 

[Spectrum]

Gerrymandering is done by both parties. As I keep telling ole boy. Being center to center right has nothing to do with party. Hardcore liberals and conservatives are the extremes of both parties. Most people are more towards the center in their views.

That's irrelevant. It's about who has a structural advantage because of it. AP analysis found in the previous election that Republicans won as many as 22 additional U.S. House seats over what would have been expected based on the average vote share in congressional districts across the country. And that's just U.S. House seats. They won 100s of states seats beyond what they should have because of gerrymandering. Now, either you're being disingenuous or ignorant or possibly both.

 

[Maxxam]

 

[Spectrum]

I see what you’re saying but this must not be taken lightly. Just to think Trumpism was supported by 71 million Americans is a big statement. Americans seem to be veering away from normal people and normal politics. That can prove costly if the MAGA virus continues to spread.

No doubt. That's based on the premise that Trump (and his family) are going to be buried by legal problems once he's out of office. If he manages to escape SDNY and the Manhattan DA, it's a whole different issue and he can come back with a vengeance. He's old but I fully expect the Donald to live to 120.

 

[therealjondoe]

Look at the wording in that email.
Liberals are trying to rip power from Americans.
Like liberals aren't themselves American.
Straight out of the nazi playbook.
Just like that article I posted spoke on.
Liberals are trump's version of the jews
Scary shit

WHY TRUMP WON'T CONCEDE

Judd Legum

Nov 10

Photo by ALEX EDELMAN/AFP via Getty Images

Joe Biden is the president-elect. Biden won or has significant leads in states that represent 306 electoral votes — far more than the 270 needed to win.
Biden leads by about 10,000 votes in Georgia and 17,000 votes in Arizona, the two most closely contested states. But even if Biden's lead were to somehow be reversed in both states, Biden would still win comfortably.
Every major media outlet, including Fox News, has called the election for Biden. Major international leaders have offered their congratulations. The coverage has largely moved on to Biden's transition. But yet, Trump has refused to concede.
Why? Part of the explanation is narcissism. Trump is having a hard time acknowledging that he lost, even though it is obvious. But another big factor is money. The proof is in the emails.
After Election Day, the Trump campaign sent more than 130 emails soliciting campaign contributions, according to a tally maintained by the Twitter account @TrumpEmail. Most of those emails appear to be soliciting funds to support the legal effort that Trump claims will reverse the results of the election.

The increasingly desperate subject lines of these emails paint a clear picture that the money is essential to contest the results.

But if you read the fine print, money sent to the Election Defense Task Force will not necessarily be used to finance the Trump campaign's lawsuits. Donors are actually contributing to the Trump Make America Great Again Committee (TMAGAC), a joint fundraising committee of Donald J. Trump for President, Inc. and the Republican National Committee. 60% of the money donated to TMAGAC will go to pay the Trump campaign's debt and 40% will go to the general operating account of the Republican National Committee. Money is only designated for recounts or other legal efforts if an individual donor reaches their legal limit or Trump retires his debt.



Contributions directly to Donald J. Trump for President, Inc. will be split between debt retirement and the recount effort. But the Trump campaign hasn't sent a solicitation from Donald J. Trump for President, Inc. since November 3.

No one knows how much money Trump is raising from this gambit. But the campaign has tens of millions of email addresses. If even a small fraction of the list is responding to these appeals, the campaign is raising millions of dollars each day.

If Trump concedes, that money would come to a halt. You can't pretend to raise money for a legal challenge once you admit you've lost.

The sorry state of Trump's election lawsuits

Trump isn't devoting this new cash to fund his legal challenges to the election results, and it shows. Most of the lawsuits the campaign has filed have been dismissed by the courts. In one case in Michigan, lawyers representing Trump made basic errors in submitting their appeal. The filing was rejected as "defective."

The initial case was dismissed after Trump's "legal team submitted a sworn affidavit by a designated poll watcher who repeated a rumor that she heard from an unidentified person about what some 'other hired poll workers at her table' allegedly told her."


"Come on now," the Michigan judge said before throwing out the suit.

In Pennsylvania, the Trump campaign continues to claim that its observers in Philadelphia were excluded from watching ballots be counted. In court, however, a Trump lawyer admitted there were observers in place. So who would make such a claim? The main witness featured at Trump's campaign press conference is a registered sex offender from New Jersey:



On Monday, "the Trump campaign unveiled a new lawsuit repackaging debunked claims that poll workers gave Trump supporters markers—knowing that those markers would bleed through ballots and that the ballots would not be counted, and all to help Joe Biden win Arizona."
The lawsuit is essentially the same as a lawsuit filed days ago by a group of conservative lawyers, based on a conspiracy theory known as "Sharpiegate." The premise of the lawsuit, that using a Sharpie will invalidate a ballot, is false.



Secretary Katie Hobbs @SecretaryHobbs

IMPORTANT: If you voted a regular ballot in-person, your ballot will be counted, no matter what kind of pen you used (even a Sharpie)! 1/
November 4th 2020
2,050 Retweets8,666 Likes

That lawsuit was quietly withdrawn. The primary difference between the Trump campaign's new lawsuit and the previous one is that, while the initial lawsuit focused on "Sharpies," the revised lawsuit refers to "markers."

In the evening, the Trump campaign filed a sweeping lawsuit in Pennsylvania that does not allege any fraud but argues the state should be prevented from certifying its election because it allowed people to vote by mail.

Georgia's Republican Senators call for the resignation of Georgia's Republican Secretary of State

Georgia Senators Kelly Loeffler (R) and David Perdue (R) released a joint statement calling on Brad Raffensberger, Georgia's Republican Secretary of State to resign. The statement claimed that Raffensberger "failed to deliver honest and transparent elections."



Kyle Cheney @kyledcheney
LOEFFLER and PERDUE jointly attack the Republican secretary of state in Georgia.
November 9th 2020
1,581 Retweets3,605 Likes
They provided no evidence to support their claims. Moments later, Trump tweeted that he would win Georgia.

 

[ugk]

 

[therealjondoe]

There will be blood

 

[BigDaddyBuk]

Gerrymandering is done by both parties. As I keep telling ole boy. Being center to center right has nothing to do with party. Hardcore liberals and conservatives are the extremes of both parties. Most people are more towards the center in their views.

Most Gerrymandered States 2025

Discover population, economy, health, and more with the most comprehensive global statistics at your fingertips.

worldpopulationreview.com

tell me which states are controlled by republicans and which are controlled by democrats.

then look at all the other states and see who controls them.

youll notice a pattern.

 

[Spectrum]

We're definitely in soft coup territory now. Biden has to get out in front of this and make a national address.

 

[Spectrum]

Most Gerrymandered States 2025

Discover population, economy, health, and more with the most comprehensive global statistics at your fingertips.

worldpopulationreview.com

tell me which states are controlled by republicans and which are controlled by democrats.

then look at all the other states and see who controls them.

youll notice a pattern.

He's likely just being willfully ignorant. The things he's being presented aren't opinions. They're facts. He won't accept them though.

 

[darth frosty]

 

[darth frosty]

 

[Spectrum]

I saw a startup guy talking about this. he said he always writes a lot of checks to dems come campaign season. He said he's not going that anymore. He's going to write checks to people building the infrastructure like Stacy Abrams going forward.

Someone posted some (shit maybe I did) about how someone went down to Florida to try to help with the Dem's grassroots campaign and no one was running it, no one could point them in the right direction, and it took him 5 days just to locate the first event he could attend. Whereas he said he could find the GOP leader running shit in the districts he went to literally within 15 minutes.

 

[mcguyver]

The people would burn down the white house.

 

[playahaitian]

Look at the wording in that email.
Liberals are trying to rip power from Americans.
Like liberals aren't themselves American.
Straight out of the nazi playbook.
Just like that article I posted spoke on.
Liberals are trump's version of the jews
Scary shit

straight facts

 

[BKF]

Most Gerrymandered States 2025

Discover population, economy, health, and more with the most comprehensive global statistics at your fingertips.

worldpopulationreview.com

tell me which states are controlled by republicans and which are controlled by democrats.

then look at all the other states and see who controls them.

youll notice a pattern.

I already spoke to the point some states are more gerrymandered than others. Still the argument is about whether this country leans more to the left or to the center, to center right. As I stated in my previous post people are concerned about their wallets and pocketbooks. So when you start talking about liberal/progressives people automatically lean to the center.

Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, and Nancy Pelosi are people that the far left consider centrist/corporate democrats. Republicans say they are the extreme liberals and there is a reason why they say such things and that is because once again people are concerned about their money.
This whole conversation was started around leadership of the house of representatives. Now we he can be idealist or realist.
A liberal leader of the house of representatives will not gain seat for the dems.
But you know what. I say let the liberals have the reins and let see what happens. That way they can no longer blame others.

 

[Dota]

He's likely just being willfully ignorant. The things he's being presented aren't opinions. They're facts. He won't accept them though.

That's basically what happened to my home state of NC where there are more registered Democrats than Republicans but Republicans representstion in Congress is 10-3. The only reason it's that because they flat out admitted they couldn't squeeze out an 11th Republican district. I mean they basically took the largest HBCU in the nation (NC A&T) and split it between two districts.

 

[BrownTurd]

His statement made no sense

 

[West Endian]

WTF! What a shit show.

 

[darth frosty]

 

[Shaka54]

You don't understand this shit, son. I'm telling you. Go educate yourself. As long as you keep thinking that the country is right or center-right, when it's clearly, factual not, you're gonna keep confusing correlation which causation and ranting.

I didn't say the country is liberal either. You also struggle with reading comprehension.

I'm telling you, I'm not going to continue to argue with a muthafucka who doesn't have the sense to understand basic concepts about WHY Republicans control more state legislatures DESPITE getting fewer votes than democrats in the very states they control.

It's like you don't even understand what gerrymandering is.

In at least 3 states, the GOP Lost the popular vote but won the House:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/11/13/least-three-states-republicans-lost-popular-vote-won-house/

Do you understand what that means, son? It means that those states are controlled by the right, but democrats (left) actually got more votes. That literally means those states are left-leaning, but practices (which should be illegal) give power to the minority party (the right).

The right controls them but they aren't right-leaning populations which a simple fucking point that seems to go right over your head.

The country actually (that's a fact not up for debate) is left of center. However, the GOP has a major structural advantage through the EC, gerrymandering, a non-population-based Senate system that the GOP exploited... like when they literally split Dakota into two states SOLELY to get 2 more Senate seats. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/09/when-adding-new-states-helped-republicans/598243/

Once again lil bitch..as I keep telling you being center to center right has nothing to do with which party you belong to or vote for. There's the fkaw in your argument.
Secondly you seem to think only republican engage in gerrymandering. Both parties do it.

BKF, you are correct in that Clinton and Obamba...hell, many Dems run as Centrist candidates but it is for the purpose of attracting moderate fence sitters who may be LEANING to the Right. This is why @Spectrum is stressing messaging.

The country however, is far from Right-leaning as a population. Do you remember seeing this map that a Belgian dude made in response to Lara Trump thinking the same shit. It's not.

Look at how Blue the country ACTUALLY is.

 

[BigDaddyBuk]

I already spoke to the point some states are more gerrymandered than others. Still the argument is about whether this country leans more to the left or to the center, to center right. As I stated in my previous post people are concerned about their wallets and pocketbooks. So when you start talking about liberal/progressives people automatically lean to the center.

Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, and Nancy Pelosi are people that the far left consider centrist/corporate democrats. Republicans say they are the extreme liberals and there is a reason why they say such things and that is because once again people are concerned about their money.
This whole conversation was started around leadership of the house of representatives. Now what he can be idealist or realist.
A liberal leader of the house of representatives will not gain seat for the dems.
But you know what. I say let the liberal have the reins and let see what happens. That way they can no longer blame others.

A corporate Democrat is still on the left. The left is liberal constitutionally, socially and fiscally.

These definitions make you a liberal.

Corporate, centrist and progressive are definitions WITHIN the left.

 

[Camille]

Feel free to tell us exactly what it was then fuck nigga!

 

[Spectrum]

Thread

 

[BKF]

BKF, you are correct in that Clinton and Obamba...hell, many Dems run as Centrist candidates but it is for the purpose of attracting moderate fence sitters who may be LEANING to the Right. This is why @Spectrum is stressing messaging.

The country however, is far from Right-leaning as a population. Do you remember seeing this map that a Belgian dude made in response to Lara Trump thinking the same shit. It's not.

Look at how Blue the country ACTUALLY is.

I said center, to center right.

If you look at places that are blue states but have republicans govenors. What you will see are republicans who are in the center/moderates that aren't on that far right bs. They run as fiscal conservatives but moderate on social issues. That is where I believe most people are because while they are concerned about social issues, they are certainly concerned about fiscal issues. In the middle, not on the far left, or the far right. People forget about the voters who aren't registered or may not affiliate themselves with either party (many times these folks out number both parties) or register with a party but aren't exactly true members. The true base of both parties are much smaller than the larger voting population and neither can win without the larger pool of voters who are not far left or right.
Btw it's not just the messaging, but it's also about practicality.

 

[Spectrum]

BKF, you are correct in that Clinton and Obamba...hell, many Dems run as Centrist candidates but it is for the purpose of attracting moderate fence sitters who may be LEANING to the Right. This is why @Spectrum is stressing messaging.

The country however, is far from Right-leaning as a population. Do you remember seeing this map that a Belgian dude made in response to Lara Trump thinking the same shit. It's not.

Look at how Blue the country ACTUALLY is.

Yep. And a Dem Centrist is still left of center.

Ask Republicans if they think Obama ran or governed from the "center". Those guys are just great politicians that know how to campaign. Obama was a moderate and was still left of center.

The center keeps moving left. Shit.. look at how many states voted to legalize marijuana! That was unthinkable 10 years ago and now the country actually wants it to be federal law.

 

[Shaka54]

That's basically what happened to my home state of NC where there are more registered Democrats than Republicans but Republicans representstion in Congress is 10-3. The only reason it's that because they flat out admitted they couldn't squeeze out an 11th Republican district. I mean they basically took the largest HBCU in the nation (NC A&T) and split it between two districts.

It's the same situation in WI too. No matter how many more Dems out vote the GOP, they keep the most seats.

 

["THE MAN"]

I think he just likes to fight. Nothing is even set in stone yet.

 

[Spectrum]

The country is shifting so far left that. These aren't my personal politics it's just the reality.

a majority of the population supports the right to choose: https://www.npr.org/2019/06/07/7301...bortion-legal-but-they-also-want-restrictions

A supermajority of the population supports federal marijuana commerce https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/11/14/americans-support-marijuana-legalization/

A majority of the population supports the green new deal https://grist.org/article/poll-the-green-new-deal-is-as-popular-as-legalizing-weed/

A majority of the population supports the free college https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/27/maj...uch-as-paid-maternity-leave-free-college.html

These are ideas that were considered radical a decade ago and now a majority of Americans support them. I can go on and on... that is the new center.

and @BKF wants yall to believe that the country leans to the right. That shit is laughable in its ignorance. GOP holds power because of the EC and gerrymandering. That's it.

And terms of campaigning. Dems suck at messaging. They can't even sell people the shit that they actually want.

 

[Sango]

Yall do exactly what pollsters and talking heads on tv do. Too much talking and thinking. The average voter doesn't know shit about shit and getting them to the polls to fill out a circle is hard enough as is. Education is not a priority in this country. We need to teach things with pictures not words. Tv and years of brainwashing has done wonders for Republicans. Its like getting children to learn why wiping their ass properly is good for them.

We don't have the reach that they do and although they try to sway in their networks vision, some try to give straight facts, but none of that works. One can also say that you're engaging in sideline criticisms of those that are at minimum trying at something to reach these imbecils err people. Any suggestions with these pictures?

 

[Spectrum]

I don't even think progressive like AOC are trying to tell centrists to adopt progressive policies because being a centrist is why they're losing. Obviously, she'd like that but that's not her argument. I think her argument is that centrists need to learn how to campaign. You have to get a grassroot campaign that fires up the base of the party and that appeals to the broad party and you have to get people on the ground to "touch' the people.

These dinosaur centrists are often running campaigns as they ran them when they first won 30 years ago. My boy is a judge and when he ran his campaign (he won) the stories he told about how the centrists wanted him to run his campaign are just silly. They don't want to run digital. They want you to run broad TV ads that are too expensive and don't drive engagements like digital. They wanted him to advertise to seniors instead of just visiting senior citizen living spaces (this was pre-covid) and talk directly to the people, etc.

Dems are lucky they have the ideas that people want. But they've got to improve their campaign messaging and process.