Joe Biden is now POTUS

[Spectrum]

That said though, taking care of this pandemic is a far more important priority.

What does one have to do with the other? Are you telling me that DEMS can't follow a playback that Biden helped put together while he was VP and also have his administration work on court reform? Man, he's going to have competent people running the country again. They can manage both of those issues and others. I'm sure managing Covid-19 is going to be his top priority.

But you do realize that he can mandate mask wearing, nationally, and a fucking right-wing SC can deem that UNCONSTITUTIONAL!

I'm telling you it all starts with the courts.

 

[cashwhisperer]

 

[Camille]

This is what the GOP is counting on. Their counting on people like you proposing civility over justice. They've been getting away with that forever. They won't stop until it's clear that DEMS are going to demand JUSTICE and not civility. They don't expect Schumer to blow things up once he has control of the chamber. They think he's selling wolf tickets. They'd love nothing more than to focus on some type of bullshit court reform if it does not include court expansion. with a 6-3 conservative court with 3 very young new far right appointees, they'll effectively control the country regardless of who runs the house, senate, or presidency. These 4 years will have all been worth it to them if the Dems allow that to happen. They'll control the direction of the country for the next 40 years. Fuck that, the dems are getting support right now because the MAJORITY want the DEMS to reverse the GOP damage.

This is a case where the Dems can't be on that "we can't be like the GOP". They MUST user their power to restore equality in the judicial branch...otherwise, they need to just pack it up and go home. Biden winning won't mean shit.

I think you're right as far as what needs to happen, I just don't think the country is on board with it yet. The majority of folks who vote dem or normally don't vote at all think just like Danny. That's why the GOP gets away with fuckery and dems don't. It's changing, but I don't think we are at the tipping point yet.

 

[Dannyblueyes]

What does one have to do with the other? Are you telling me that DEMS can't follow a playback that Biden helped put together while he was VP and also have his administration work on court reform? Man, he's going to have competent people running the country again. They can manage both of those issues and others. I'm sure managing Covid-19 is going to be his top priority.

Biden has said that he would put together a committee to figure out the best way and the best people to put in that position. IMO he should also make stricter rules on who can qualify for a supreme court nomination as well. Hopefully we will see Barack Obama head this committee or be one of the nominees.

this is not something that can be done immediately though. It is going to take a lot of time to think through properly. He is also going to regain the will of the people as well. We've lived four years under one autocrat we can't allow the perception that we're living for more under a different one.

 

[zod16]

Totally normal to talk about your plans for losing ahead of an election...

 

[Spectrum]

Biden has said that he would put together a committee to figure out the best way and the best people to put in that position.

Yeah. I read that. If that happens, he won't get it done. I hope that's just campaign rhetoric. The GOP doesn't need to be involved in fixing this problem.

and they need to do it quickly. They're no guarantee they'll hold on to a senate majority if they get it.

 

[HeathCliff]

Naw man. That shit isn't true. Obama stayed getting flamed even right here on BGOL. People liked Obama... he wasn't worshipped.
Obama could only dream of having Trump's base. 35% of the population would cheer Trump on if he was eating babies on Live TV.

I think yall really underestimate how much of a cult figure he is to his base. The GOP about to learn too because if Trump loses, he's gonna burn the GOP down too..watch... Trump only cares about himself.. he doesn't give a fuck about the GOP. You think this nigga gonna be on the campaign trail in 2024 supporting republican candidates if he's not on the ticket?! this dude gonna burn this shit down. This nigga was at a rally tonight flaming Amy Coney Barrett already!

Don't get me wrong, I want all of this to happen and everything. But I fear if they go that route straight out of the gate, the Dems will be mired down by 18 months of court reform instead of getting tangible legislation passed like the Justice bills I keep mentioning. By doing that, I'm afraid by the time 2022 come, the GOP will have a coordinated focused message on how the "libruls" are socializing the judicial branch or some bullshit like that they'll figure out to gin up the crazies in their base to help them take back the Senate and perhaps make gains in the House.

That's why I propose they give DC its statehood first that way it'll be harder for them to take back the Senate in 2022 when the GOP will likely have momentum.

 

[BlackGoku]

An Omen?

Rbg is just showing off now..lol..the fly was the first shot..now this..

 

[Spectrum]

I think you're right as far as what needs to happen, I just don't think the country is on board with it yet. The majority of folks who vote dem or normally don't vote at all think just like Danny. That's why the GOP gets away with fuckery and dems don't. It's changing, but I don't think we are at the tipping point yet.

Because the DEMS are awful at marketing.

The GOP would be calling it COURT FAIRNESS and not Court Packing. Anyone who apposed it would get it with the "what do you have against fairness" response.

 

[praetor]

If Joe wins, Breyer needs to step down once Joe is sworn in.

 

[Spectrum]

Don't get me wrong, I want all of this to happen and everything. But I fear if they go that route straight out of the gate, the Dems will be mired down by 18 months of court reform instead of getting tangible legislation passed like the Justice bills I keep mentioning.

My worry is that what significant legislation ges passed with a 6-3 Supreme Court. Will the same court. that's even more far right now and dismantled the Voting Rights Act, just set back and not strike down a new VRA that gets signed into law??

I don't know.. it's a tricky situation but Mitch McConnell is banking on DEMS not fighting back.

 

[Spectrum]

If Joe wins, Breyer needs to step down once Joe is sworn in.

yo.. like in Q1 .

 

[Mt. Yukon]

If the rules don't apply then the laws don't apply either. At that point you no longer have a government you have a group of thugs enforcing their will through brute force.

You can't establish rules and law if you can just override or break them the moment they become inconvenient. It's bad enough that the Republicans do this, if the Democrats do it too this country is doomed.

Have you looked around the last 3 plus years??? Thats exactly whats happened. Thats been happening with repubs for decades. Its just out in the open now. Something has to change, and it needs to start with ending the typical ebb and flow of Repubs run shit into the ground, Dems take control with Repubs obstructing and criticizing every step of the way, things finally get back on track and the gerrymandering/foreign influence sees them back in control make it harder to undue the fucked up shit they do when they're in charge. Its 2 steps back for every step forward the Dems make... It has to stop. The only way to stop it is to ram rod shit through. There needs to be a hard reset, but it'll never happen when you have people on office who will stop at nothing to stay in power. So what do you do??? Kick the can down the street and in 4 years when they find a way to get the Whitehouse back, they push shit further right??? Im really asking...

 

[praetor]

I never said that they shouldn't expand the court. They absolutely should and if they take the House and Senate there's no rule that says they can't.

That said though, taking care of this pandemic is a far more important priority. I would even go as far as to say that it outweighs anything else happening in the government at this moment. Anything else would be like shampooing the carpet while the house is on fire.

They can walk and chew gum at the same time. Kamala can run the Coronavirus task force while Joe handles everything else that'll be on their plate.

 

[Dark19]

Dems Need to Expand the Court or Impeach and Remove Kavenaugh and Barrett....The Dems Should be Indicting and Punishing the GOP for an Attempted Coup and Treason Against the US for the Criminal Non Handling of Covid....If They Do That Take the High Road Bullshit Instead of Coming Down Hard on GOP They Are Done in 2 Years Because the Dem Party Will See Themselves Abandoned for a Generation and Branded Weak and Not Fighting For the People....They Have No Choice in This

 

[HeathCliff]

My worry is that what significant legislation ges passed with a 6-3 Supreme Court. Will the same court. that's even more far right now and dismantled the Voting Rights Act, just set back and not strike down a new VRA that gets signed into law??

I don't have an answer for what this reich-wing supreme court will do

But my answer to this question specifically is that in the Shelby v Holder decision, they gave the Dems a roadmap on how to get Voting Rights passed without any further fuckery. They took their guidance and redrafted the John Lewis bill. So although it sounds crazy, lol, I'm banking on the Supremes to not go back on their word the next go round.

 

[crazycac50]

Court expansion doesn’t violate the constitution and neither does adding States to the union. Trumps actions over protests in DC this past year provide a perfect reason for DC Statehood. The debacle with the hurricane provides the same for Puerto Rico statehood as well.
The breakneck pace that the senate filled the courts over the last four years coupled with the blocking of judges under Obama must be answered by Supreme Court expansion as well as lower court expansion. Without court expansion not only will any progress by overturned rights will be stripped away.

 

[Chitownheadbusa]

Considering the average age of some of the Brothas on this board, its amazing how so many of u are going along with this Trump red herring/vote for Biden bs. I expect this type of silly support from younger folks (20s and teens) cause they suck tide pods and look for acceptance from Randoms on social media, but for a grown mofo to go along with this side show bob nonsense, well, its silly.

 

[HeathCliff]

Considering the average age of some of the Brothas on this board, its amazing how so many of u are going along with this Trump red herring/vote for Biden bs. I expect this type of silly support from younger folks (20s and teens) cause they suck tide pods and look for acceptance from Randoms on social media, but for a grown mofo to go along with this side show bob nonsense, well, its silly.

Who the fuck dug this nigga up? lol

 

[BDR]

I don’t think Beyer retiring would swing the court back to a 5-4...

Dems gotta expand the scotus by 2-4 seats and lower courts by 30 seats

 

[BigDaddyBuk]

If neither party plays by the rules then the rules become meaningless. At that point the president can pretty much rule by decree and our democracy goes from being flawed to being non-existent.

Instead, Dems need to play by the rules and use their power to make the rules tighter and the country more secure.

This country is way too far gone for them to avenge rivalries.

what rules are you talking about?

expanding the courts is within the rules.

making ideological policy is within the rules.

what the senate did to Obama? OUTSIDE THE RULES.

 

[Spectrum]

I don't have an answer for what this reich-wing supreme court will do

But my answer to this question specifically is that in the Shelby v Holder decision, they gave the Dems a roadmap on how to get Voting Rights passed without any further fuckery. They took their guidance and redrafted the John Lewis bill. So although it sounds crazy, lol, I'm banking on the Supremes to not go back on their word the next go round.

Maybe the Supremes play nice so that the Dems don't blow them up.

 

[crazycac50]

Maybe the Supremes play nice so that the Dems don't blow them up.

Unless Two of the conservatives step down that’s not going to be enough. Democrats can’t afford to keep putting norms and civility above exercising power.

 

[HeathCliff]

 

[Dark19]

 

[HeathCliff]

Lol. With respect to TX and GA, it is good. I can't imagine in what world how ruby red states in the south with increased "minority" vote benefits the GOP. Now FL, that's a whole 'nother story.

 

[EPDC]

Good, at least I hope.

I think Chump calling it The China Virus and then the bias against Asians/Chinese in the early days of the pandemic made Asians come out against Chump.

 

[4 Dimensional]

North Carolina Deputies Pepper-Spray Demonstrators Marching To Polls

The state attorney general said voters have a "constitutional right to cast their vote safely and securely, without threats or intimidation."

www.yahoo.com

 

[TNazT]

North Carolina Deputies Pepper-Spray Demonstrators Marching To Polls

The state attorney general said voters have a "constitutional right to cast their vote safely and securely, without threats or intimidation."

www.yahoo.com

 

[darth frosty]

 

[praetor]

Fox News poll

(for the coronavirus) just over half, 51 percent, say it is “not at all” under control -- up from 40 percent in early September.

When asked what should be the federal government’s top priority, voters are 25 points more likely to rank limiting the spread of coronavirus over restarting the economy (61-36 percent).

When asked if the word “corrupt” describes the candidate, 56 percent say it applies to Trump compared to 40 percent for Biden.

Over half (53 percent) think Trump is “too close to extremist” groups, while 37 percent feel that way about Biden.

 

[ugk]

I'm actually slightly becoming more bullish on Biden winning Florida by the day. I'd still give Trump a slight edge, but so far Dem turnout is killing it, except in Miami Dade. Hopefully Obama will turn out those voters over the next couple days.

 

[Dannyblueyes]

what rules are you talking about?

expanding the courts is within the rules.

making ideological policy is within the rules.

what the senate did to Obama? OUTSIDE THE RULES.

I know this and have mentioned these things in replies to other posters.

That said, there are a lot of people both on and off this board talking about how the Dems have to play just as dirty as the Republicans do. As cathartic as that would be I'm suggesting that it would be a very bad idea that wouldn't turn out the way anybody thinks it would.

Instead, the Dems need to counter every imaginary rule that Trump and the Republicans broke and counter it by passing a real law in its place. For instance, a clear standard which says a supreme court justice cannot be nominated within one year of a presidential election.

 

[HeathCliff]

I'm actually slightly becoming more bullish on Biden winning Florida by the day. I'd still give Trump a slight edge, but so far Dem turnout is killing it, except in Miami Dade. Hopefully Obama will turn out those voters over the next couple days.

I've been looking at FL data too and even though the Republicans are eating into the lead, I'm banking on a Biden advantage for the NPA votes when its all said and done since he's like +7 with Indys. Thats going to be the difference maker.

 

[Dannyblueyes]

Have you looked around the last 3 plus years??? Thats exactly whats happened. Thats been happening with repubs for decades. Its just out in the open now. Something has to change, and it needs to start with ending the typical ebb and flow of Repubs run shit into the ground, Dems take control with Repubs obstructing and criticizing every step of the way, things finally get back on track and the gerrymandering/foreign influence sees them back in control make it harder to undue the fucked up shit they do when they're in charge. Its 2 steps back for every step forward the Dems make... It has to stop. The only way to stop it is to ram rod shit through. There needs to be a hard reset, but it'll never happen when you have people on office who will stop at nothing to stay in power. So what do you do??? Kick the can down the street and in 4 years when they find a way to get the Whitehouse back, they push shit further right??? Im really asking...

A lot of states passed legislation for non partisan redistricting in the 2018 midterms. That means much of gerrymandering will be undone next year when the census results come in. That's a big part of the hard reset.

In the meantime, the first thing you do is treat Covid the same way you treat a foreign military or terrorist cell that murdered 1,000+ civilians a day. By doing so the economy will take care of itself and every lie that Trump told about the Democrats will be countered.

Then, with the trust of the public firmly in tact you pass legislation which shores up all of the unwritten rules Trump broke. By then you've figured out who gets packed into the court and the way you add them. the general public will be a lot more willing to accept this once they see that the government actually works.

Once this change is made you past legislation to ensure voting rights for all citizens and go hard on the environment.

The thing is that if Democrats control the executive branch in both houses they have got to knock this shit out of the park. They have to do a job that is so unquestionably spectacular that issues like wearing a mask, protecting the earth, Universal health care, etc are no longer partisan issues.