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Appreciate these absolutely stunning LeBron James playoff stats
With a win on Friday night against the Miami Heat, LeBron James would secure his fourth NBA championship and add yet another accolade to his already amazing resume. But while a potential Los Angeles Lakers title will undoubtedly awaken the take monsters in GOAT arguments about James vs. Michael Jordan, let's leave MJ out of it for a minute. It's worth taking some time to appreciate what James has accomplished so far, because it's remarkable.
Here are six stats that demonstrate just how special and singular James' postseason career has been.
Watch: Game 5 airs at 9 p.m. ET on ABC and the ESPN App
1. Playoff games played: 259
Game 5 will be James' 259th playoff game, tying Derek Fisher for most all-time.
That's incredible on its own. But when you consider how hard James plays and how central he has been in every single postseason game he has played, the fact becomes even more impressive.
Among the top 10 in career playoff games, James is No. 1 in usage rate at 32.1%, per Basketball-Reference.com.
2. Missed playoff games: 0
Since making his postseason debut on April 22, 2006, James has never missed a single playoff game due to injury. Not one!
Think about that. Almost every year the Finals are affected by major injuries. Last year it was Kevin Durant and Klay Thompson. This year it has been Goran Dragic and Bam Adebayo. Through 10 Finals trips, James' durability is unreal.
I mean, this streak of consecutive postseason games can be beaten only by someone who also beats his massive total playoff count:
Most consecutive playoff games played
LeBron James: 258
John Stockton: 182
Michael Jordan: 179
Wilt Chamberlain: 160
Among active players, James Harden ranks second at 128, less than half of James' total. The King's durability alone is mind-blowing, but one way to gain a new appreciation for his postseason career is to simply compare his basic playoff tallies to his active peers.
3. Playoff minutes played: 10,728
Durant ranks second among active players in total playoff minutes played, sitting at 5,598. James and Andre Iguodala are the only other active players to have racked up more than 5,000 playoff minutes. And here's the noteworthy part: James has played 5,000 more minutes than Durant at 10,728 (and counting).
A guy who still has a claim as the best player in the world is doing it after he has doubled almost every single active player out there in postseason time spent.
Oh, and don't forget that James is also No. 1 in overall playoff minutes, which is rare air. The gap between James at No. 1 and Magic Johnson at No. 10 is as large as the gap between Johnson and Kawhi Leonard at No. 59.
4. Playoff points scored: 7,423
James does a lot more than just soak up minutes. It's his blend of volume and production that is truly incredible. He's the only player in league history who has scored at least 6,000 playoff points.
Only one other active player has half as many points as James' 7,423, and again, that's Durant at 4,043.
With James still averaging more than 25 playoff points per game, ticking up his absurd total by another 1,000 points is definitely on the table. That kind of record might be impossible to catch.
5. Playoff assists: 1,854
One huge reason James has been to nine of the past 10 Finals is because his court vision and passing tend to make the players around him a lot more effective.
And after surpassing Stockton in Game 3 of this series, James now ranks second in career playoff assists. Only Johnson has more.
Entering Game 5, James ranks first in total playoff points, second in assists and -- as if that weren't enough -- sixth in rebounds. He's the only player in league history who appears in the top 10 in each of those fundamental categories.
6. Closeout win percentage: 79.2%
Stats are one thing, but triumphs are the ultimate prize. As James sits on the precipice of another title, consider this doozy: Nobody in league history has been more reliable closing out a series than James, who has won an astounding 79% of his closeout games.
Best win% in closeout games (via Elias Sports Bureau, minimum 25 games)
LeBron James: 38-10 (79.2%)
Derek Fisher: 39-12 (76.5%)
Tim Duncan: 35-14 (71.4%)
Don Nelson: 20-8 (71.4%)
It gets more wild: James comes into Game 5 of these Finals having won 17 of his past 18 games with an opportunity to clinch the series. That's not good news for Miami.
At age 35, James is more than the elder statesman of the best basketball league in the world. Maybe you think he's the greatest of all time, maybe you don't. Regardless, his ridiculous playoff stats make one thing crystal clear: Nobody has left an greater mark on postseason basketball for as long as this guy has. And he's not done yet. Just ask his old team.
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The biggest takeaway from this years Finals isnt LeBrons performance, its the reaction to it. Hes up 3-1 having a great series, had a great year, but the sense of entitlement to troll him and his fans remains. Winning doesnt offset that.
So, next season and beyond, players with less rings will receive the same treatment. When Steph Curry has that 10 3pters made game next season that he wins, we'll be discussing NBA colorism, light skin bias, nepotism favoritism, and proximity to whiteness shaping perception at that time on this board. Winning wont offset it either. We just wont use FTP accounts, posters will be able to discuss it openly on their main accounts. Call it the "LeBron standard"
With a win on Friday night against the Miami Heat, LeBron James would secure his fourth NBA championship and add yet another accolade to his already amazing resume. But while a potential Los Angeles Lakers title will undoubtedly awaken the take monsters in GOAT arguments about James vs. Michael Jordan, let's leave MJ out of it for a minute. It's worth taking some time to appreciate what James has accomplished so far, because it's remarkable.
Here are six stats that demonstrate just how special and singular James' postseason career has been.
Watch: Game 5 airs at 9 p.m. ET on ABC and the ESPN App
1. Playoff games played: 259
Game 5 will be James' 259th playoff game, tying Derek Fisher for most all-time.
That's incredible on its own. But when you consider how hard James plays and how central he has been in every single postseason game he has played, the fact becomes even more impressive.
Among the top 10 in career playoff games, James is No. 1 in usage rate at 32.1%, per Basketball-Reference.com.
2. Missed playoff games: 0
Since making his postseason debut on April 22, 2006, James has never missed a single playoff game due to injury. Not one!
Think about that. Almost every year the Finals are affected by major injuries. Last year it was Kevin Durant and Klay Thompson. This year it has been Goran Dragic and Bam Adebayo. Through 10 Finals trips, James' durability is unreal.
I mean, this streak of consecutive postseason games can be beaten only by someone who also beats his massive total playoff count:
Most consecutive playoff games played
LeBron James: 258
John Stockton: 182
Michael Jordan: 179
Wilt Chamberlain: 160
Among active players, James Harden ranks second at 128, less than half of James' total. The King's durability alone is mind-blowing, but one way to gain a new appreciation for his postseason career is to simply compare his basic playoff tallies to his active peers.
3. Playoff minutes played: 10,728
Durant ranks second among active players in total playoff minutes played, sitting at 5,598. James and Andre Iguodala are the only other active players to have racked up more than 5,000 playoff minutes. And here's the noteworthy part: James has played 5,000 more minutes than Durant at 10,728 (and counting).
A guy who still has a claim as the best player in the world is doing it after he has doubled almost every single active player out there in postseason time spent.
Oh, and don't forget that James is also No. 1 in overall playoff minutes, which is rare air. The gap between James at No. 1 and Magic Johnson at No. 10 is as large as the gap between Johnson and Kawhi Leonard at No. 59.
4. Playoff points scored: 7,423
James does a lot more than just soak up minutes. It's his blend of volume and production that is truly incredible. He's the only player in league history who has scored at least 6,000 playoff points.
Only one other active player has half as many points as James' 7,423, and again, that's Durant at 4,043.
With James still averaging more than 25 playoff points per game, ticking up his absurd total by another 1,000 points is definitely on the table. That kind of record might be impossible to catch.
5. Playoff assists: 1,854
One huge reason James has been to nine of the past 10 Finals is because his court vision and passing tend to make the players around him a lot more effective.
And after surpassing Stockton in Game 3 of this series, James now ranks second in career playoff assists. Only Johnson has more.
Entering Game 5, James ranks first in total playoff points, second in assists and -- as if that weren't enough -- sixth in rebounds. He's the only player in league history who appears in the top 10 in each of those fundamental categories.
6. Closeout win percentage: 79.2%
Stats are one thing, but triumphs are the ultimate prize. As James sits on the precipice of another title, consider this doozy: Nobody in league history has been more reliable closing out a series than James, who has won an astounding 79% of his closeout games.
Best win% in closeout games (via Elias Sports Bureau, minimum 25 games)
LeBron James: 38-10 (79.2%)
Derek Fisher: 39-12 (76.5%)
Tim Duncan: 35-14 (71.4%)
Don Nelson: 20-8 (71.4%)
It gets more wild: James comes into Game 5 of these Finals having won 17 of his past 18 games with an opportunity to clinch the series. That's not good news for Miami.
At age 35, James is more than the elder statesman of the best basketball league in the world. Maybe you think he's the greatest of all time, maybe you don't. Regardless, his ridiculous playoff stats make one thing crystal clear: Nobody has left an greater mark on postseason basketball for as long as this guy has. And he's not done yet. Just ask his old team.
Appreciate these absolutely stunning LeBron playoff stats
Here are six stats that demonstrate just how special and singular James' postseason career has been.
The biggest takeaway from this years Finals isnt LeBrons performance, its the reaction to it. Hes up 3-1 having a great series, had a great year, but the sense of entitlement to troll him and his fans remains. Winning doesnt offset that.
So, next season and beyond, players with less rings will receive the same treatment. When Steph Curry has that 10 3pters made game next season that he wins, we'll be discussing NBA colorism, light skin bias, nepotism favoritism, and proximity to whiteness shaping perception at that time on this board. Winning wont offset it either. We just wont use FTP accounts, posters will be able to discuss it openly on their main accounts. Call it the "LeBron standard"
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I've talked to him before about that shit. Back in the early 2000's this place was like a warzone. Insults and gif's flying around. Shit talking etc. Back then Cranrab did everything he could to get under my skin about Kobe. He even had a webpage dissing him and articles to his blog. Back then there were Kobe stans like IGuzzle who were pathetic. Me and cran had back and forth, but it was about the game mostly. He'd point out Kobe's shooting percentages and I'd point out how Smush went from the starting point to parking cars once he left LA.
King T seems to not let me live down LeBronze, Klutz sports and Opt out loc.
It's all good though, we both ADOS
That dude used to sound like Skip Bayless talking about Lebron. I’m convinced he’d record the Lakers games and then rewatch it and take notes on when Kobe missed shots, had turnovers or other bad plays because he’d always come after the game saying “with 3:59 left in the 2nd quarter with 10 seconds left on the shot clock Kobe shot a 3 pointer from the right side of the basket and missed it badly”
He would go on different sports sites talking the same stuff, when I found out he had a webpage I was just like
I think the reason the sports analyst trying so hard to discredit Lebron winning this championship is because they were wrong on so many levels:
Said Lebron couldn’t win in the West WRONG
Said he came to Lakers for Hollywood not to win championship. WRONG
Said he was in year 17 and his age was showing. WRONG
Said Kawhi was the best player in the league and the King Of LA WRONG
PICKED THE CLIPPERS TO BEAT THE LAKERS OVER AND OVER AND OVER......WRONG WRONG WRING WRONG WRONG
Trying to push the narrative that AD is better WRONG
Want AD to be Finals MVP and I predict they are gonna WRONG
Rob Parker sounding salty like he’s Skip Bayless..lol
Said Lebron couldn’t win in the West WRONG
Said he came to Lakers for Hollywood not to win championship. WRONG
Said he was in year 17 and his age was showing. WRONG
Said Kawhi was the best player in the league and the King Of LA WRONG
PICKED THE CLIPPERS TO BEAT THE LAKERS OVER AND OVER AND OVER......WRONG WRONG WRING WRONG WRONG
Trying to push the narrative that AD is better WRONG
Want AD to be Finals MVP and I predict they are gonna WRONG
Rob Parker sounding salty like he’s Skip Bayless..lol
You‘ll be extending your hand to the Lakers as you walk off the floor to congratulate them.
What team Pelinka built?
May or may not be softest. Definitely most talented.
That should be pat'sLawrence Frank got named executive of the year
That really needs to be named after the season
he did.I’m convinced he’d record the Lakers games and then rewatch it and take notes on when Kobe missed shots, had turnovers or other bad plays because he’d always come after the game saying “with 3:59 left in the 2nd quarter with 10 seconds left on the shot clock Kobe shot a 3 pointer from the right side of the basket and missed it badly”
Appreciate these absolutely stunning LeBron James playoff stats
With a win on Friday night against the Miami Heat, LeBron James would secure his fourth NBA championship and add yet another accolade to his already amazing resume. But while a potential Los Angeles Lakers title will undoubtedly awaken the take monsters in GOAT arguments about James vs. Michael Jordan, let's leave MJ out of it for a minute. It's worth taking some time to appreciate what James has accomplished so far, because it's remarkable.
Here are six stats that demonstrate just how special and singular James' postseason career has been.
Watch: Game 5 airs at 9 p.m. ET on ABC and the ESPN App
1. Playoff games played: 259
Game 5 will be James' 259th playoff game, tying Derek Fisher for most all-time.
That's incredible on its own. But when you consider how hard James plays and how central he has been in every single postseason game he has played, the fact becomes even more impressive.
Among the top 10 in career playoff games, James is No. 1 in usage rate at 32.1%, per Basketball-Reference.com.
2. Missed playoff games: 0
Since making his postseason debut on April 22, 2006, James has never missed a single playoff game due to injury. Not one!
Think about that. Almost every year the Finals are affected by major injuries. Last year it was Kevin Durant and Klay Thompson. This year it has been Goran Dragic and Bam Adebayo. Through 10 Finals trips, James' durability is unreal.
I mean, this streak of consecutive postseason games can be beaten only by someone who also beats his massive total playoff count:
Most consecutive playoff games played
LeBron James: 258
John Stockton: 182
Michael Jordan: 179
Wilt Chamberlain: 160
Among active players, James Harden ranks second at 128, less than half of James' total. The King's durability alone is mind-blowing, but one way to gain a new appreciation for his postseason career is to simply compare his basic playoff tallies to his active peers.
3. Playoff minutes played: 10,728
Durant ranks second among active players in total playoff minutes played, sitting at 5,598. James and Andre Iguodala are the only other active players to have racked up more than 5,000 playoff minutes. And here's the noteworthy part: James has played 5,000 more minutes than Durant at 10,728 (and counting).
A guy who still has a claim as the best player in the world is doing it after he has doubled almost every single active player out there in postseason time spent.
Oh, and don't forget that James is also No. 1 in overall playoff minutes, which is rare air. The gap between James at No. 1 and Magic Johnson at No. 10 is as large as the gap between Johnson and Kawhi Leonard at No. 59.
4. Playoff points scored: 7,423
James does a lot more than just soak up minutes. It's his blend of volume and production that is truly incredible. He's the only player in league history who has scored at least 6,000 playoff points.
Only one other active player has half as many points as James' 7,423, and again, that's Durant at 4,043.
With James still averaging more than 25 playoff points per game, ticking up his absurd total by another 1,000 points is definitely on the table. That kind of record might be impossible to catch.
5. Playoff assists: 1,854
One huge reason James has been to nine of the past 10 Finals is because his court vision and passing tend to make the players around him a lot more effective.
And after surpassing Stockton in Game 3 of this series, James now ranks second in career playoff assists. Only Johnson has more.
Entering Game 5, James ranks first in total playoff points, second in assists and -- as if that weren't enough -- sixth in rebounds. He's the only player in league history who appears in the top 10 in each of those fundamental categories.
6. Closeout win percentage: 79.2%
Stats are one thing, but triumphs are the ultimate prize. As James sits on the precipice of another title, consider this doozy: Nobody in league history has been more reliable closing out a series than James, who has won an astounding 79% of his closeout games.
Best win% in closeout games (via Elias Sports Bureau, minimum 25 games)
LeBron James: 38-10 (79.2%)
Derek Fisher: 39-12 (76.5%)
Tim Duncan: 35-14 (71.4%)
Don Nelson: 20-8 (71.4%)
It gets more wild: James comes into Game 5 of these Finals having won 17 of his past 18 games with an opportunity to clinch the series. That's not good news for Miami.
At age 35, James is more than the elder statesman of the best basketball league in the world. Maybe you think he's the greatest of all time, maybe you don't. Regardless, his ridiculous playoff stats make one thing crystal clear: Nobody has left an greater mark on postseason basketball for as long as this guy has. And he's not done yet. Just ask his old team.
Appreciate these absolutely stunning LeBron playoff stats
Here are six stats that demonstrate just how special and singular James' postseason career has been.
The biggest takeaway from this years Finals isnt LeBrons performance, its the reaction to it. Hes up 3-1 having a great series, had a great year, but the sense of entitlement to troll him and his fans remains. Winning doesnt offset that.
So, next season and beyond, players with less rings will receive the same treatment. When Steph Curry has that 10 3pters made game next season that he wins, we'll be discussing NBA colorism, light skin bias, nepotism favoritism, and proximity to whiteness shaping perception at that time on this board. Winning wont offset it either. We just wont use FTP accounts, posters will be able to discuss it openly on their main accounts. Call it the "LeBron standard"
Jesus christ. And to think he could very well be back in the finals in 2021 at this level or close to it. People need to appreciated what they are seeing, because in 20 years people will be talking about this shit like crazy. We're witnessing it. Man. Old timers going to old time. Again, same shit we put up with in the fucking 90s. Swear to god old timers back then said Nate Thurmond was the boogeyman and the 90s was watered down bullshit full of soft cats.
In the history of sports, when was the modern era ever appreciated?
???????They’re the winner of the dumbest thing that I’ve heard today!
People are getting carried away with this bullshit. The Lakers will win the title but to say he built the team is ridiculous....If,anything Pat Riley should have won executive of the year.
Where's the lies though?
Man. Old timers going to old time. Again, same shit we put up with in the fucking 90s. Swear to god old timers back then said Nate Thurmond was the boogeyman and the 90s was watered down bullshit full of soft cats.
In the history of sports, when was the modern era ever appreciated?
Well this is it gang. Tonight's the night. The Lakers will ascend back to the throne they havent been on in 10 years.
But tonight will be all about LeBron. He is gonna prove that NBA championship rings are completely WORTHLESS and OVERRATED for individual players. They do absolutely NOTHING to enhance your legacy. Completely meaningless. LeBron is a great player right now as of 9:23 AM EST and will be the exact same player tonight at 11PM. The notion that he is different because of tonight's game is BULLSHIT. NBA championship rings boosting an individual player is such a farce, I'm glad it ends tonight.
-LeBron will win his 4th chip and 4th Finals MVP. But next season, he will still be treated the same and his fans will be treated the same as when he had 0
-Devin Booker could win A ring next season, and he would receive more clout and respect than LeBron has ever received from NBA fans after winning 3-4. I've already seen it happen once.
-Bill Russell has 11 championship rings, most NBA fans cant tell you his 3 best performances as an NBA player. Sam Jones has 10, most NBA fans cant spot him out of a lineup. They are far more knowledgeable and versed on LeBron's career who has 6 Finals losses. He will be remembered more and longer than Russell despite not having as many rings. Truthfully, he already is, Russell is largely ignored.
-The only players who've ever enhanced their legacies off having "multiple" championships is Michael Jordan & Kobe Bryant. Literally no other NBA player who has multiple rings counts or is celebrated like those two. Prior to Jordan in 91, there is no article, media clip, book, etc that NBA fans can point to that stated to be the greatest or best you had to win "multiple" championships. The general consensus was if you won "a" ring, you were arguably one of the greats. The "rings are everything you need multiple" bullshit was totally created by Nike & Phil Knight to market the 2 players I listed, since they are aloof introverts and didnt have great personality traits or things they excelled at outside of basketball than can be marketed.
In the NBA, as a superstar, what you look like, what your handlers look like, who your family is and what they look like holds far more weight on your perception than NBA championship rings or Finals MVPs. NBA jewelers aint that important like that. I look forward to LeBron proving that once again tonight, and into next season. Players with less rings, less accolades, and who put on a lot less work will continue to get more respect than him off their appearance and perceived class level. Their fans will be treated in a different manner as well. Rings enhance franchises, not players.
Go Lake Show!!!
But tonight will be all about LeBron. He is gonna prove that NBA championship rings are completely WORTHLESS and OVERRATED for individual players. They do absolutely NOTHING to enhance your legacy. Completely meaningless. LeBron is a great player right now as of 9:23 AM EST and will be the exact same player tonight at 11PM. The notion that he is different because of tonight's game is BULLSHIT. NBA championship rings boosting an individual player is such a farce, I'm glad it ends tonight.
-LeBron will win his 4th chip and 4th Finals MVP. But next season, he will still be treated the same and his fans will be treated the same as when he had 0
-Devin Booker could win A ring next season, and he would receive more clout and respect than LeBron has ever received from NBA fans after winning 3-4. I've already seen it happen once.
-Bill Russell has 11 championship rings, most NBA fans cant tell you his 3 best performances as an NBA player. Sam Jones has 10, most NBA fans cant spot him out of a lineup. They are far more knowledgeable and versed on LeBron's career who has 6 Finals losses. He will be remembered more and longer than Russell despite not having as many rings. Truthfully, he already is, Russell is largely ignored.
-The only players who've ever enhanced their legacies off having "multiple" championships is Michael Jordan & Kobe Bryant. Literally no other NBA player who has multiple rings counts or is celebrated like those two. Prior to Jordan in 91, there is no article, media clip, book, etc that NBA fans can point to that stated to be the greatest or best you had to win "multiple" championships. The general consensus was if you won "a" ring, you were arguably one of the greats. The "rings are everything you need multiple" bullshit was totally created by Nike & Phil Knight to market the 2 players I listed, since they are aloof introverts and didnt have great personality traits or things they excelled at outside of basketball than can be marketed.
In the NBA, as a superstar, what you look like, what your handlers look like, who your family is and what they look like holds far more weight on your perception than NBA championship rings or Finals MVPs. NBA jewelers aint that important like that. I look forward to LeBron proving that once again tonight, and into next season. Players with less rings, less accolades, and who put on a lot less work will continue to get more respect than him off their appearance and perceived class level. Their fans will be treated in a different manner as well. Rings enhance franchises, not players.
Go Lake Show!!!
Too much real death going around to be talking about eulogies and obituaries.
The muthafucka’s are just gonna lose.
Yeah I don't even play around with that shit especially in the times we in.Too much real death going around to be talking about eulogies and obituaries.
The muthafucka’s are just gonna lose.
Yeah I don't even play around with that shit especially in the times we in.
I’m not even sensitive like that but that just sounded dumb to me. It ain’t that serious.
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LeBron James' Home Vandalized with Racist Graffiti
The Los Angeles home of Cleveland Cavaliers superstar forward LeBron James was found with racist graffiti on the front gate Wednesday morning...
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He brought those faggits championship and that’s how he’s treated? Whatta bunch of shitty and ungrateful fans
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Pat Riley Says He Took LeBron James' Heat Exit Personally and Was 'Very Angry'
Three years after LeBron James ' departure from the Miami Heat , team president Pat Riley has made it clear he wasn't happy with how things ended between the two parties...
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“JJ Redick shared a rather intriguing take on why LeBron and subsequently Kevin Durant’s respective free agency decisions elicited so much vitriol.
“People were uncomfortable with powerful Black men making a decision for themselves,” Redick told Bleacher Report’s Taylor Rooks. “... And that goes back to systemic racism in our society.”
Rooks then took it a step further.
“I think that really speaks in a lot of ways to sports in general, which is, it’s a lot of Black people making decisions and a lot of white people telling them why that decision maybe was right or wrong,” she added.
“JJ Redick shared a rather intriguing take on why LeBron and subsequently Kevin Durant’s respective free agency decisions elicited so much vitriol.
“People were uncomfortable with powerful Black men making a decision for themselves,” Redick told Bleacher Report’s Taylor Rooks. “... And that goes back to systemic racism in our society.”
Rooks then took it a step further.
“I think that really speaks in a lot of ways to sports in general, which is, it’s a lot of Black people making decisions and a lot of white people telling them why that decision maybe was right or wrong,” she added.
It’s the “runaway slave” mentality with those “folk”. Remember, there have been many race riots in Miami.
LeBron ended my NBA title hopes three times. He's even better now – in every sense
I know first hand just how talented a basketball player LeBron is, but his greatness only begins with his skills on the court
I've said,the same thing for years after Lebron left the Cavs the first time. The people that had a huge problem with Lebron were white people that was from the suburbs. Did you have some black people that were upset,Yes but the hate were mostly from white people. Cleveland is a majority black city yet folks,who never step one foot here tried to make it sound it was the whole city,when it wasn't the case.
You even had folks here tried to tell me I was wrong about my own city at the time but they never step one foot in Cleveland.....lol
The national media didn't help either. Claim to know the city but misconstrue the whole situation on purpose. Not,one person say,it was mostly white people on that bullshit.
I would have been upset, if Lebron stayed because they wasn't trying to put the stars around him. The only players they had around that were above average were Varejão and Ilgauskas.
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