"Its funny that Joe Biden could spit in your face and call you all types of niggas and coons and you would STILL vote for him due to your contempt for that asshole trump!"
‘The President Was Not Encouraging’: What Obama Really Thought About Biden
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You won't have a viable third-party if voters never show a willingness to step away from the two-party system.
So what are you the "thinker" going to do?
1. vote for Biden?
2. vote for Trump?
3. other?
4. not vote?
So asking you a question is attacking you?
Dude how can we debate when you won't even be truthful about what you plan on doing come election time?
Ok but what are going to do to make change?Naw, I don't over analyze. I just have a strong commitment to balance.
I'm just one person. Rejecting a failed system to start.
What are you doing now to make/force change?
"Its funny that Joe Biden could spit in your face and call you all types of niggas and coons and you would STILL vote for him due to your contempt for that asshole trump!"
That's not too critical. Think about it. Let's say Joe Biden actually did do something disrespectful to you. Tell me what you would do on election day then. Either you would get on the trump train, give Joe a pass or realize I'm making sense. So which one is it?
Why aren't you assessing Donald Trump and the Republicans then?
There is only 1 party actively working AGAINST our interests.
Which one is that?
So asking you a question is attacking you?
Dude how can we debate when you won't even be truthful about what you plan on doing come election time?
Who I personally choose to vote for, or not vote for, or how I vote, or if I am even eligible to vote, is irrelevant to the discussion of Biden's political record or his cognitive ability to even serve as president. So, once again, let's stick to the discussion at hand. What in Biden's political past or his political agenda would compel YOU to want to vote for him?
My drop in the bucket rejection of the system is the same as your drop in the bucket vote FOR the system. So we've giving equal effort. Not sure what your point is. All you have is a vote. All I have is a non vote. If you're doing something else what is it? My support of like minded people is plenty. Also living the kind of life that insulates me from this political system is plenty as well. Being an example to other people that want insulation from the system counts as well.
Dude there's a difference between what if and actually doing it.
You made a matter of fact statement about me without "knowing my story".
That was a critical error on your part.
So why do you care so much about who others chose to vote for?
Yet you won't reveal who you plan on voting for?
- 90% of Black people vote Democratic, not Republican. And Trump and the GOP's fuckery and racism is overt and out there everyday for the world to see.
- "There is only 1 party actively working AGAINST our interests." -- This is a straight-up goddamned lie, or coming from someone who has little to no knowledge of what is going on.
I care more about an objective and accurate assessment of Biden/Harris political record and the overall strategy of the Democratic Party, which I do not think is aligned with our interests. Who you choose to personally vote for is irrelevant to me. Again, it's not about you or me personally.
The statement wasn't critical. I'm trying to find out if you're a blind follower of a system that's not in your best interest. The example I gave was drawing a comparison of the behavior of people that are known blind followers. I'm trying to see if you're one as well. Since you feel a need to ask straight up questions how about answering one as well. Are you willing to support Joe Biden regardless of what he says or does between now and election day? Again, you only have three choices. You either accept Joe no matter what, you hop on the trump train or you admit I'm right. Which one you going with?
that can't happen until people run and draw support...its a catch 22....between bernie and AOC there's a real push for social dems that's in its nascent phase but I suspect and hope that in a decade or so from that springs a viable 3rd party.
But you know who could have jump started that process if he wasn't such a white nationalist douche bag...donald trump
Trump could have run 3rd party in 2016 and drew votes away from both sides..people weren't feeling hillary and there was NO ONE on the GOP side that really challenged him. And there are certain aspects of his personality that has a way of cutting thru the bullshit that I can see how people can find that appealing. At its core people were looking for something different in 2016 and that's what trump represented at least more than Hillary or anyone in the repubs side. Its why most people voted for Obama and some were/are disappointed in him when he proved in many ways he wasn't so different just as trump is proving now.
But the only way for a 3rd (and 4th and 5th) party to happen to do just do it and keep doing it until it sticks. Theres no way around that work and not voting is the political equivalent of holding your breath until you get your way.
Nonsense..you made a straight up matter of fact statement and then you go on to contradict yourself responding to another poster and I called you on your contradiction.The statement wasn't critical. I'm trying to find out if you're a blind follower of a system that's not in your best interest. The example I gave was drawing a comparison of the behavior of people that are known blind followers. I'm trying to see if you're one as well. Since you feel a need to ask straight up questions how about answering one as well. Are you willing to support Joe Biden regardless of what he says or does between now and election day? Again, you only have three choices. You either accept Joe no matter what, you hop on the trump train or you admit I'm right. Which one you going with?
As far as voting for Biden regardless of what he says between now and election day. Like I always do..I will make judgements between the two available candidates and decide which is better for me and that is the person who I will vote for. You want to deal with hyperthical and what ifs.
Right now Biden is the better candidate of the two. Biden has not spit in my face or called me all kinds of niggas, coons, etc...
Btw I failed to address one of your previous statements.
Saying that one of the two men will be president is not a defeatist attitude. It is simply reality.
Oh and can you answer my question in what you are doing now to make/force change?
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I think a third party is inevitable eventually. But I think an easier quicker fix is some sort of compromise in the political system. I'll bet politicians would be forced into a new age of honesty if 1.) We got rid of the electoral college and 2.) used a system where the candidate that gets the popular vote becomes president and the defeated candidate becomes the vice president. Everybody gets something from a system like that and it forces cooperation.
So who are you addressing your post to, if not to people personally on this board?
Don't get the point of these threads....
If you want true Change.... this thread should really be about your Local, State and Federal Representatives ...
President has nothing to do with our treatment in our communities...
if you want sentence reform... work to vote in liberal representatives that actual fight... vote in people with former defense attorney backgrounds..
if you want to stop us from getting the shaft from judges... vote in Liberal Judges that actually were former defense attorneys and not just some random person that has never handled a criminal defense trial..
If you want to make sure your vote counts.... vote in people that are pushing to redraw districts that better represent us..
Threads like this...... Don't mean shit.
Say we vote in Biden/Harris... but Republicans take the Senate and house...
Does anyone in this board think shit is going to change? I hate to keep hammering this point to people... VOTE
If you want true Change.... this thread should really be about your Local, State and Federal Representatives ...
President has nothing to do with our treatment in our communities...
if you want sentence reform... work to vote in liberal representatives that actual fight... vote in people with former defense attorney backgrounds..
if you want to stop us from getting the shaft from judges... vote in Liberal Judges that actually were former defense attorneys and not just some random person that has never handled a criminal defense trial..
If you want to make sure your vote counts.... vote in people that are pushing to redraw districts that better represent us..
Threads like this...... Don't mean shit.
Say we vote in Biden/Harris... but Republicans take the Senate and house...
Does anyone in this board think shit is going to change? I hate to keep hammering this point to people... VOTE
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Most of us on BGOL don't know each other personally, yet we're venomously attacking each other and demanding to know where our political loyalties lie - and this is CLEARLY only coming from one side.
Some of us really need to look into the mirror and come to terms about exactly why we seem to be so rabid about this shit. Life will continue on after November, no matter who wins.
These are the ravings of a man that's out of gas.
Are you really trying to claim some high ground because you felt insulted by my hypothetical? Not sure why you took that as a dis. But if that's how you want to spin it then "oops, sorry I hurt your feelings". I've already answered your question. Sounds like you're home hoping and praying ol Joe doesn't fuck up and say something disqualifying in the next 3 months because you'll be in a real jam!
Its never going to be enough people to make a legit third party work..... Every Minority would have to vote for that party and we would need Millions of white people for it to work and that's not even counting State and Local. No way.. a third party is going to have enough members to control the House or Senate in a State like Texas or any other southern State.. That's just reality right now. You need enough people to bring numbers to a party and be a legitimate challenger to beat the democratic and republican parties ... and the way the Republicans are right now... They aren't switching to a liberal leaning third party.... So anybody that switches will be inevitably taking votes away from the democratic party leading to the Republican control.... Eventually this will probably lead to the Democrats adjusting who they are .... which will lead to members of the third party probably switching back to the Democrats...
This is typically what always happens in the history of our country when we have a third party that starts making noise .... Like when the Dixiecrats split from the then Democrats after Roosevelt.
I truly didn't give a fuck about something that missed the mark on me.
These are the ravings of a man that's out of gas.
Are you really trying to claim some high ground because you felt insulted by my hypothetical? Not sure why you took that as a dis. But if that's how you want to spin it then "oops, sorry I hurt your feelings". I've already answered your question. Sounds like you're home hoping and praying ol Joe doesn't fuck up and say something disqualifying in the next 3 months because you'll be in a real jam!
Yet you can't in your next breath claim that you try not to be critical.
That was a clear contradiction. No need to babble on deflecting and trying to pretend you didn't contradict yourself. Just accept it and move on.
Anyways..you didn't answer my question as to what you are doing or planning on doing to make/force change?
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Yea man
Non-viable 3rd Party votes are useless. It's like handing out a participation certificate for a no-name candidate that filed some paperwork on time.
Like MAGA YE
I heard that winner is pres and loser is VP but the problem with that is the VP true job is to just wait for POTUS to die. The whole point of VP is to prevent a power and chain of command vacuum if something happens to the president. But you want someone in office to continue the path of the president and the person voted to lead because people believe in that path and vision. Putting someone in there that adversarial to that can only lead to conflict. Think about it...trumps pres and Hillary is VP....whats gonna happen the second someone puts a bullet in trump?
What these folks don't seem to understand is that voting third party only takes away votes from one of the two candidates but one of the two will still be president.
e.g. 1992 presidential election
| William Clinton | Albert Gore Jr. | Democratic | 44,909,806 | 43.01% | 370 | 68.8% | |
| George Bush | J. Danforth Quayle | Republican | 39,104,550 | 37.45% | 168 | 31.2% | |
| H. Ross Perot | James Stockdale | Independent | 19,743,821 | 18.91% | 0 | 0.0% |
Yep, all of that makes sense but the system dictates the candidates behavior. The same way people just suddenly pretend all the negative shit the primary candidates said about the winning candidate no longer exists and start kissing their ass. People don't forget that. It reminds us that they're all full of shit. A system where the Pres and VP know they have to cooperate would make for a very different campaign season. You would start to see cooperation early on because everyone knows that the second place winner is the VP. Politicians would adjust to accommodate the system. They always do.
In November it is either or..There is no way around that fact.
The bad part is silly mofokrs will think not voting is an alternative which means they aren't voting state and local either
First off, you didn't answer my question.
2nd, I am so involved in politics that I've been asked to run for local office twice.
My party is at odds with the state majority perpetually. Saying that my party is actively working against Black people means you sir, have no true factual inside information concerning this issue.
Please stop lying to me ABOUT me.
Dude you aint saying shit. You pretty much just proving that dudes like you think by not voting your actually doing something. That you're actually making change in the community.
What do I need to assess about Donald Trump and the GOP that we already don't know? And where are the masses of Black people who are voting for and supporting them?
And, like I told BKF, this isn't about YOU. I don't know if you guys are narcissists or what. We are talking about POLICIES and the politicians who represent them. So tell me about your policies. Tell me how Biden/Harris can advance those policies.
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