Young Black Americans not sold on Biden, the Democrats or voting

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Young Black Americans not sold on Biden, the Democrats or voting

Most political analysts define “swing voters” as those who swing their support from one party to the other between election cycles – determining winners and losers in the process.

According to this conventional wisdom, the “swingiest” voters are working-class whites in the Midwest, who supposedly hold the keys to the White House.

Meanwhile, by contrast, pundits often portray Black Americans as an undifferentiated mass – loyal Democrat-supporting foot soldiers who will execute their mission for The Team on Tuesday as long as some preacher provides the right marching orders on Sunday.

If these depictions have not already expired, they are certainly growing stale. Having studied electoral trends for decades, we can tell you that those undecided voters of the past are an endangered species – in the Midwest and elsewhere. These days, the only choice that most Americans make – indeed, the choice that typically “swings” the election outcome — is whether to vote at all.

That brings us to the characterization of Black Americans as Democratic loyalists.

Our new survey of 1,215 African Americans in battleground states – Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Florida, North Carolina and Georgia – reveals that while those over 60 remain among the most reliable of Democratic voters, and those between 40-59 are still pretty locked in as well, those under 30 (whom we oversampled to comprise half of our sample) are anything but.

Only 47% of those Black Americans under 30 years old that we surveyed plan to vote for the presumed Democratic presidential nominee, Joe Biden. That’s roughly the same percentage who have anything positive to say when asked what “one or two words come to mind” about the former vice president.

Cathy Cohen, a professor of political science at the University of Chicago who studies Black youths’ political views, summed up this attitude in a recent podcast: “They’ve seen the election of Black mayors, they’ve seen the election of the first Black president, and they’ve also seen that their lives have not changed.”

Young Black Americans and the November election
As Black Americans ages 18 to 29 look to the presidential election, a survey of those who live in key battleground states – Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Florida, Georgia and North Carolina – shows they aren't as enthusiastic about the candidates, or voting, as many people might expect.
Views on the candidates
Have anything positive to say about Joe Biden - 46%
Plan to vote for Joe Biden in the general election - 47%
Have anything positive to say about Donald Trump - 5%
Plan to vote for Donald Trump in the general election - 8%
Voting plans
Trust their state to report their vote accurately - 64%
Plan to vote by mail - 30%
Probably or definitely won't vote in the general election - 31%
Say voting 'doesn’t make a difference anyway' - 49%

Views on the political parties
Say the Democratic Party is welcoming to Black Americans - 47%
Say the Republican Party is welcoming to Black Americans - 28%
View the Democratic Party as more welcoming than the Republican Party - 51%
Trust Democrats in Congress to do what's best for Black Americans - 44%
Trust Republicans in Congress to do what's best for Black Americans - 29%
Trust Democrats more than Republicans to do what's best for Black Americans - 48%
Not sold on voting
These young Black Americans may well sit things out in November, just as many of them did in 2016 when their behavior swung that election to Trump as much as anything else did. :curse:

In our poll, 31% of Black Americans under 30 say they probably won’t vote in this election. That may sound pretty good, given the average U.S. voter turnout of around 60% in recent elections.

But survey respondents of all stripes tend to wildly overestimate their intention to vote. Indeed, about half of our Black survey respondents under 30 say they don’t often vote because it “doesn’t make a difference,” providing a somewhat more realistic estimate of the percentage who will probably just stay home – and not search for a stamp to mail in their ballot, either.

And that number does not even take into account the turnout-depressing effects of voter suppression efforts taking place across the country, the pandemic or the heavy distrust of mail-in voting that young Black people tend to express. Only 64% of young people in our sample say they trust the state to report their vote accurately, and only 30% say they plan to take advantage of mail-in voting.

Such cynicism on the part of young Black Americans is reflected in the lukewarm feelings they tend to have toward the Democratic Party more generally.

Only 47% of them say that the party is welcoming to Black Americans, and only 43% say they trust Democrats in Congress to do what’s best for the Black community. Perhaps most strikingly, unlike their older counterparts, only half of those under 30 view the Democrats as any better than the Republicans on these scores.

In both the survey responses and in the focus groups we conducted of young Black Americans in these same states, we heard repeated frustration toward what they view as a Democratic Party that expects their vote but doesn’t really do anything to deserve it other than claim to be “less racist” than the alternative. :yes:

As one of our focus group respondents put it, “I think at the end of the day, they all have the same agenda.”

In short, it appears that for Black America, the future is not necessarily “blue.” Electorally speaking, it is not necessarily anything at all. Moving forward, young Black Americans may be the real “swing voters” in the only way that term really makes much sense anymore.

 
Black people are generally conservative, desire limited interactions with government, very religious, low taxes, etc. Modern GOP (Nixon-present) chose not to mask their racism and the democrats saw an opportunity to capture by the black vote by saying "We're not like them". Fast forward to present day, the democrats do not know how to win an election, nor do they have a party line that is different from "We're not them". They want to win the white supremacist vote while pandering to us, and their fence sitting is becoming more and more apparent and people are tired of that shit. They have actual progressives in their party, Senator Warren, AOC, etc. that they ignore and they push Sloppy Joe to the front of the line. I don't blame people for not wanting to vote for that shit. Especially if they're not going to get anything out of the vote. It's like playing pickup ball and you stay one game too many because they need you to make 10 and they don't pass you the rock all game. Some people would rather not play. My .02¢
 
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Post Obama period was always going to be tricky for Democrats...once the symbolism is out of the way then people want real action...the moderate side of the Democratic party that Biden represents (as well as Obama, Clinton, Harris etc) should be glad that Sanders was racially tone deaf because if he wasn't Biden would not be the nominee...Democratic party is in trouble long term as much as the Republican party is....just two different kinds of trouble....one faces demographic issues that undercut its core racist voting bloc and the other faces a put up or shut up moment when people demand that you actually follow through on the progressive ideas you preach....and not from a let trannys piss in the girls bathroom perspective....but from an income equality keeps getting worse perspective...young Black America wants more than gestures

This vote for us because the other guy is horrific type of campaign has been going on before Trump came into the picture...it is not sustainable long term...I believe people will show up in November due to how bad Trump is and the fact that there is a real crisis going on but the Dems should not take it for granted...there are serious times ahead for the party and its Black base

Oh yeah...fuck this article for peddling that lie about 2016....Hillary lost because she couldn't win with White Women, her own demographic
 
Post Obama period was always going to be tricky for Democrats...once the symbolism is out of the way then people want real action...the moderate side of the Democratic party that Biden represents (as well as Obama, Clinton, Harris etc) should be glad that Sanders was racially tone deaf because if he wasn't Biden would not be the nominee...Democratic party is in trouble long term as much as the Republican party is....just two different kinds of trouble....one faces demographic issues that undercut its core racist voting bloc and the other faces a put up or shut up moment when people demand that you actually follow through on the progressive ideas you preach....and not from a let trannys piss in the girls bathroom perspective....but from an income equality keeps getting worse perspective...young Black America wants more than gestures

This vote for us because the other guy is horrific type of campaign has been going on before Trump came into the picture...it is not sustainable long term...I believe people will show up in November due to how bad Trump is and the fact that there is a real crisis going on but the Dems should not take it for granted...there are serious times ahead for the party and its Black base

Oh yeah...fuck this article for peddling that lie about 2016....Hillary lost because she couldn't win with White Women, her own demographic

"and not from a let trannys piss in the girls bathroom perspective...." :lol:

"but from an income equality keeps getting worse perspective" :yes:
 
Nigga done appointed over 200 federal conservative judges and two conservative Supreme Court judges, Republicans playing chess and you niggas playing checkers. Most of them don't even like Trump but he's doing their bidding. Some niggas went in and voted for Obama only, didn't even fill out the rest of the ballot. Your local elections are just as important as your national elections but yet niggas talking about they not voting smh lol. You get what you deserve!
 
Just to keep this shit simple, fuck the politics of voting. The main thing we have to focus on is getting Trump out of office. Joe Biden is the only other candidate so he gets the votes. We'll worry about politics and what each candidate stands for the next election. Right now we just need to rid the white house of that arrogant, narcissistic asshole.
 
Until November 3rd I'm not believing anything I read critical of Biden or Harris, or any statements claiming the existence of black youth antipathy toward Biden, Democrats and voting. If young black voters do not recognize the need to cast a ballot this year when the orange bastid and his cronies are pulling out all the stops to suppress the vote, steal the election and fuck their future prospects for years to come then they weren't going to vote anyway. Best way for us to deal with all the cac and Russian bot misinformation that will only intensify is to as Marvin said, believe half of what you see and none of what you hear. :hmm:
 
Black people are generally conservative, desire limited interactions with government, very religious, low taxes, etc. Modern GOP (Nixon-present) chose not to mask their racism and the democrats saw an opportunity to capture by the black vote by saying "We're not like them". Fast forward to present day, the democrats do not know how to win an election, nor do they have a party line that is different from "We're not them". They want to win the white supremacist vote while pandering to us, and their fence sitting is becoming more and more apparent and people are tired of that shit. They have actual progressives in their party, Senator Warren, AOC, etc. that they ignore and they push Sloppy Joe to the front of the line. I don't blame people for not wanting to vote for that shit. Especially if they're not going to get anything out of the vote. It's like playing pickup ball and you stay one game too many because they need you to make 10 and they don't pass you the rock all game. Some people would rather not play. My .02¢

Your 2 cents is 'spot on' to which I concur.
 
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Until November 3rd I'm not believing anything I read critical of Biden or Harris, or any statements claiming the existence of black youth antipathy toward Biden, Democrats and voting. If young black voters do not recognize the need to cast a ballot this year when the orange bastid and his cronies are pulling out all the stops to suppress the vote, steal the election and fuck their future prospects for years to come then they weren't going to vote anyway. Best way for us to deal with all the cac and Russian bot misinformation that will only intensify is to as Marvin said, believe half of what you see and none of what you hear. :hmm:
Brother VA feelings are leading him astray. I wish him the best.
 
Black people are generally conservative, desire limited interactions with government, very religious, low taxes, etc. Modern GOP (Nixon-present) chose not to mask their racism and the democrats saw an opportunity to capture by the black vote by saying "We're not like them". Fast forward to present day, the democrats do not know how to win an election, nor do they have a party line that is different from "We're not them". They want to win the white supremacist vote while pandering to us, and their fence sitting is becoming more and more apparent and people are tired of that shit. They have actual progressives in their party, Senator Warren, AOC, etc. that they ignore and they push Sloppy Joe to the front of the line. I don't blame people for not wanting to vote for that shit. Especially if they're not going to get anything out of the vote. It's like playing pickup ball and you stay one game too many because they need you to make 10 and they don't pass you the rock all game. Some people would rather not play. My .02¢

Opting out of participating in the only non-violent mechanism for meaningful change available is shortsighted and counter productive. People say the Republican Party is racist (and it is) and the Democratic Party doesn't do enough for us (and it doesn't). So to not vote for the lesser of two evils so to speak or at all does what for us? Nothing. In fact not voting without a doubt aids the party that has never, and will never, voluntarily cede ground with respect to legislating and ensuring equal treatment.

Sitting it out should never be our form or protest because it is the least effective and frankly imo a cop out for those not wanting to be inconvenienced by having to stand in long lines for hours to cast a ballot irrespective and uncaring of the many who lost their lives fighting for their Constitutionally mandated right to do so. :hmm:
 
Opting out of participating in the only non-violent mechanism for meaningful change available is shortsighted and counter productive. People say the Republican Party is racist (and it is) and the Democratic Party doesn't do enough for us (and it doesn't). So to not vote for the lesser of two evils so to speak or at all does what for us? Nothing. In fact not voting without a doubt aids the party that has never, and will never, voluntarily cede ground with respect to legislating and ensuring equal treatment.

Sitting it out should never be our form or protest because it is the least effective and frankly imo a cop out for those not wanting to be inconvenienced by having to stand in long lines for hours to cast a ballot irrespective and uncaring of the many who lost their lives fighting for their Constitutionally mandated right to do so. :hmm:

 
I'm not voting for any of these ass-hats! I'm 58 and I say fuck this Bullshit! The Democratic Party just said to Black People FUCK YOU NIGGAS by putting this ticket together. I've not seen anything like since Jim Crow. 2 of the most anti-Black Politicians in the Muthafuckin' game! Count me out, I personally can deal with 4 more years of Trump. I don't expect him to do any better than he has done thus far but Jim Crow Joe his dick is hard as hell waiting to fuck Black People in AmeriKKKa over and his sidekick bitch Kam Hairyass would love to put Black folks in handcuffs while it's happening.
 
I'm not voting for any of these ass-hats! I'm 58 and I say fuck this Bullshit! The Democratic Party just said to Black People FUCK YOU NIGGAS by putting this ticket together. I've not seen anything like since Jim Crow. 2 of the most anti-Black Politicians in the Muthafuckin' game! Count me out, I personally can deal with 4 more years of Trump. I don't expect him to do any better than he has done thus far but Jim Crow Joe his dick is hard as hell waiting to fuck Black People in AmeriKKKa over and his sidekick bitch Kam Hairyass would love to put Black folks in handcuffs while it's happening.

You’re about to get run off the board by the #KHive!
 


Eddie Glaude is a professor of African American Studies and a very distinguished one, but he is certainly not a pragmatist. I agree wholeheartedly that we should vote in every national and local down ballot election but to not vote for the President??? He missed me with that one. It should be painfully obvious the power of the Presidency and how it can be used and misused in the hands of someone like Trump. You dance with the one who brung ya irrespective of how ugly he or she is, and in this case the least ugly for us at this time is the Democratic Party :hmm:
 
Young Black Americans not sold on Biden, the Democrats or voting

Most political analysts define “swing voters” as those who swing their support from one party to the other between election cycles – determining winners and losers in the process.

According to this conventional wisdom, the “swingiest” voters are working-class whites in the Midwest, who supposedly hold the keys to the White House.

Meanwhile, by contrast, pundits often portray Black Americans as an undifferentiated mass – loyal Democrat-supporting foot soldiers who will execute their mission for The Team on Tuesday as long as some preacher provides the right marching orders on Sunday.

If these depictions have not already expired, they are certainly growing stale. Having studied electoral trends for decades, we can tell you that those undecided voters of the past are an endangered species – in the Midwest and elsewhere. These days, the only choice that most Americans make – indeed, the choice that typically “swings” the election outcome — is whether to vote at all.

That brings us to the characterization of Black Americans as Democratic loyalists.

Our new survey of 1,215 African Americans in battleground states – Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Florida, North Carolina and Georgia – reveals that while those over 60 remain among the most reliable of Democratic voters, and those between 40-59 are still pretty locked in as well, those under 30 (whom we oversampled to comprise half of our sample) are anything but.

Only 47% of those Black Americans under 30 years old that we surveyed plan to vote for the presumed Democratic presidential nominee, Joe Biden. That’s roughly the same percentage who have anything positive to say when asked what “one or two words come to mind” about the former vice president.

Cathy Cohen, a professor of political science at the University of Chicago who studies Black youths’ political views, summed up this attitude in a recent podcast: “They’ve seen the election of Black mayors, they’ve seen the election of the first Black president, and they’ve also seen that their lives have not changed.”

Young Black Americans and the November election
As Black Americans ages 18 to 29 look to the presidential election, a survey of those who live in key battleground states – Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Florida, Georgia and North Carolina – shows they aren't as enthusiastic about the candidates, or voting, as many people might expect.
Views on the candidates
Have anything positive to say about Joe Biden - 46%
Plan to vote for Joe Biden in the general election - 47%
Have anything positive to say about Donald Trump - 5%
Plan to vote for Donald Trump in the general election - 8%
Voting plans
Trust their state to report their vote accurately - 64%
Plan to vote by mail - 30%
Probably or definitely won't vote in the general election - 31%
Say voting 'doesn’t make a difference anyway' - 49%

Views on the political parties
Say the Democratic Party is welcoming to Black Americans - 47%
Say the Republican Party is welcoming to Black Americans - 28%
View the Democratic Party as more welcoming than the Republican Party - 51%
Trust Democrats in Congress to do what's best for Black Americans - 44%
Trust Republicans in Congress to do what's best for Black Americans - 29%
Trust Democrats more than Republicans to do what's best for Black Americans - 48%
Not sold on voting
These young Black Americans may well sit things out in November, just as many of them did in 2016 when their behavior swung that election to Trump as much as anything else did. :curse:

In our poll, 31% of Black Americans under 30 say they probably won’t vote in this election. That may sound pretty good, given the average U.S. voter turnout of around 60% in recent elections.

But survey respondents of all stripes tend to wildly overestimate their intention to vote. Indeed, about half of our Black survey respondents under 30 say they don’t often vote because it “doesn’t make a difference,” providing a somewhat more realistic estimate of the percentage who will probably just stay home – and not search for a stamp to mail in their ballot, either.

And that number does not even take into account the turnout-depressing effects of voter suppression efforts taking place across the country, the pandemic or the heavy distrust of mail-in voting that young Black people tend to express. Only 64% of young people in our sample say they trust the state to report their vote accurately, and only 30% say they plan to take advantage of mail-in voting.

Such cynicism on the part of young Black Americans is reflected in the lukewarm feelings they tend to have toward the Democratic Party more generally.

Only 47% of them say that the party is welcoming to Black Americans, and only 43% say they trust Democrats in Congress to do what’s best for the Black community. Perhaps most strikingly, unlike their older counterparts, only half of those under 30 view the Democrats as any better than the Republicans on these scores.

In both the survey responses and in the focus groups we conducted of young Black Americans in these same states, we heard repeated frustration toward what they view as a Democratic Party that expects their vote but doesn’t really do anything to deserve it other than claim to be “less racist” than the alternative. :yes:

As one of our focus group respondents put it, “I think at the end of the day, they all have the same agenda.”

In short, it appears that for Black America, the future is not necessarily “blue.” Electorally speaking, it is not necessarily anything at all. Moving forward, young Black Americans may be the real “swing voters” in the only way that term really makes much sense anymore.


Interesting article!! Sooner or later our younger folks are going to catch onto this illusion!! And put those dems to the test!! They can't keep pushing this fake bullshit!!
 
I'm not voting for any of these ass-hats! I'm 58 and I say fuck this Bullshit! The Democratic Party just said to Black People FUCK YOU NIGGAS by putting this ticket together. I've not seen anything like since Jim Crow. 2 of the most anti-Black Politicians in the Muthafuckin' game! Count me out, I personally can deal with 4 more years of Trump. I don't expect him to do any better than he has done thus far but Jim Crow Joe his dick is hard as hell waiting to fuck Black People in AmeriKKKa over and his sidekick bitch Kam Hairyass would love to put Black folks in handcuffs while it's happening.

Damn, I'm glad I'm not the only person seeing this bullshit!!

Anyway, good call bruh!! Good fukin call!!!
 
OP is TRULY obsessed with fuckin beckys..

hey op..

it was the fuckin BECKYS over fuckin FIFTY ONE percent voted for TRUMP..

op just going to ignore that tho...

I bet he gets over sixty percent of their vote this

time around
 
Young people couldn’t even be bothered to show up to vote for Bernie, so why should we expect them to vote now.

Voting is for adults who realize that voting for your sometimes friend is the only way to defeat your all the time enemy who is out to destroy you.
 
First off let me say that I'm waaaaaaaaaaaaay off base here let me know.

I think the Democrats wanted - Biden from jump. why?

Tulsi Gabbard was too renegade for the old establishment. Clinton threw shots and hints calling her a Russian asset and some media channels would cut her off.

They didn't want Sanders, too many - and maybe some on the left, were calling him a Socialist.

Warren could have it - were it not for throwing Sanders under the bus all but calling him a misogynist claiming he said a woman couldn't be president - when there's actual evidence to contrary and youtube vid where specifically says a woman CAN be president.

I think Harris dropped out because they knew when Biden got she was going to get a high position in his cabin should he win.
 
xfaggot and all his usernames are gonna be all up and through this thread. I see some of the usual Pro-White racists are already in this bitch. Anyway, same old shit different day. Fuck them lost muthafuckas. Trumps fat racist ass is gettin up outta that White House.
 
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