Movie Biz: AMC launches Stubs A-List subscription service to rival MoviePass

About to do the same fam, this shit is ridiculous

So I won't be able to see Mission Impossible or The Meg for a couple of weeks? And are they still going to keep charging peak pricing?

And raising it to $15

1,000+ theaters, that ain't shit. The entire top ten is over 1,000

this weekend was the last straw
they are trying to do everything in their power to stop their users from using the product

the selling point for moviepass was that you could see a movie a day for a flat rate
then they said you cant see the same movie more than once
then they said we need ticket confirmation
then they said you can see any movie you want but for most movies you will pay extra
then they didnt have money to operate for a day
then they blacked the a blockbuster 1st weekend

and now they wanna raise their price and limit viewing movies in the 1st 2 weeks
yep that will definately cut costs... but thats also gonna cut a shitload of ppl using the service


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I just enrolled in AMC Stubs Premiere, what happens if I enroll into AMC Stubs A-List?


Your AMC Stubs A-List membership includes benefits of AMC Stubs Premiere. If you are currently a Premiere member and upgrade to A-List, we will pause your current Premiere membership. If at any time you cancel A-List, your Premiere membership will be reinstated for the duration of time you had left prior to joining A-List.
 
The only thing I don't like about A-List is the showing ID. Some people make you do it.

It was refreshing to be able to purchase tickets ahead of time and see IMAX.

The Meg in IMAX :cool:
 
MoviePass’s Garbage Summer Continues With Terrible User Feedback
By Chris Lee
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Photo: Andrew Harrer/Bloomberg via Getty Images

It’s been a cruel summer for MoviePass. Over the past few weeks, the embattled movie-ticket subscription service has been jolted by one distressing development after another. Users became livid when the company raised its price from $9.95 to $14.95 a month, implemented surge pricing, and began limiting attendance to first-run films. (A subscription now costs $9.95 but limits users to three films a month). Amid frequent service outages, MoviePass’s parent company, Helios and Matheson Analytics, had to take out an emergency $5 million cash loan last month to keep operations running. Helios stock fell from $20 to just two cents a share on Monday and faces being delisted on Nasdaq, making MoviePass’s prospects of staying financially afloat even more dicey.

Now, adding insult to injury, a new poll indicates the number of MoviePass subscribers who are “very satisfied” with the service has plummeted to just 48 percent — down from an 83 percent satisfaction rate earlier this spring. Moreover, according to the poll by the entertainment strategy and polling firm National Research Group, 47 percent indicated they are at least “somewhat likely” to cancel the service thanks to the recent changes. “MoviePass’s innovation was offering the freedom and flexibility to see any movie, at any time, almost any theater, for a low price,” Jon Penn, chief executive of NRG, said in a statement. “By constantly changing the terms of the service — limiting which film subscribers could see and when they could see them — MoviePass has eroded brand trust and undermined their leadership position.”

in March that expressed general subscriber happiness with the service — and how it had fundamentally reconfigured the way people see movies in theaters — even while reflecting users’ doubt that MoviePass would remain in business.

Other key findings from the new NRG poll:

* Only 37 percent of subscribers said they planned to remain subscribed “for a long time,” with the top two reasons for cancellation being: “They kept changing the rules” and “I couldn’t see the movie I wanted when I wanted to see it.”

* Of the recent cancellations, 50 percent of the former subscribers canceled in the month prior to taking the survey. And 50 percent of lapsed subscribers say they are going to the movies less often now.

* In March, 32 percent of responders thought MoviePass “wouldn’t last”; that number has now shot up to 50 percent.
 
Moviepass Is Shut Down for Maintenance That Could Take Weeks
By Anne Victoria Clark@annevclark
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Photo: Andrew Harrer/Bloomberg via Getty Images

Moviepass hasn’t been having the best uh, year. After re-tooling its subscription planand maybe possibly losing a lot of subscribers, effective at 5 a.m. ET on July 4th the service shut down for maintenance it says could take “several weeks.” The company claims it will come back with an improved version, but didn’t offer any details. “There’s never a good time to have to do this,” CEO Mitch Lowe said in a statement. “But to complete the improved version of our app, one that we believe will provide a much better experience for our subscribers, it has to be done.” According to Variety, subscribers won’t be charged during the downtime and they will be credited for the lost days whenever the service comes back up.
 
MoviePass Server Breach Is the Latest Example of How It Plays Fast and Loose With User Data
By Chris Lee

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Photo: Michael Nagle/Bloomberg via Getty Images


MoviePass just keeps shooting itself in the foot. On Wednesday, the beleaguered movie-ticketing subscription service confirmed that a security breach may have exposed tens of thousands of customers’ records online, where they may have remained unencrypted since early May. That information is alleged to include MoviePass card numbers and personal credit data including names, addresses, and card expiry dates — in other words, the building blocks for fraudulent financial transactions — all thanks to a lapse in password protection on a critical subdomain server.

“MoviePass recently discovered a security vulnerability that may have exposed customer records. After discovering the vulnerability, we immediately secured our systems to prevent further exposure and to mitigate the potential impact of this system,” chief executive Mitch Lowe said in a statement. “MoviePass takes this incident seriously and is dedicated to protecting our subscribers’ information. We are working diligently to investigate the scope of this incident and its potential impact on our subscribers. Once we gain a full understanding of the incident, we will promptly notify any affected subscribers snd the appropriate regulators or law enforcement.”

The announcement arrives as the latest self-inflicted calamity for the so-called Netflix of movies, which has remained in financial free fall for the better part of the past 17 months and has seen its goal of disrupting the theatrical-moviegoing business grow ever more remote. Dwindling from a user base of more than 3 million last year, MoviePass reportedly now boasts fewer than 225,000 subscribers.

Worse still, the company is furthering its already horrible reputation for jerking subscribers around by continuing to play fast and loose with customer data. News of the server breach comes just two weeks after another report that in July 2018, MoviePass resorted to changing users’ passwords without their knowledge to thwart ticket purchases by heavy users after the company temporarily ran out of funds. Citing former MoviePass employees, Business Insider reported that the 2018 insolvency compelled Lowe to make Mission: Impossible — Fallout unavailable on MoviePass and ordered that half of its subscribers be locked out of the system over the Tom Cruise thriller’s opening weekend.



Rising from obscurity to national prominence in 2017 by basically subsidizing subscribers’ moviegoing habits — a $9.95 monthly subscription allowed for one movie ticket a day, every day — MoviePass coasted by on consumer goodwill for a few months before staggering from disaster to disaster: technological glitches, surprise ticketing blackouts, massive amounts of user fraud. It eventually evolved into what NASDAQ characterized in a stock analysis as a “failed business that burns through cash at an alarming rate.”

MoviePass revised its original price plan in April 2018, limiting users to just four movies a month — and dropping that number to three films four months later. The decisions triggered mass subscriber outrage and defection. This January, when the majority stakeholder and parent company of MoviePass, the data-analytics firm Helios and Matheson, spun off a new subsidiary called MoviePass Entertainment Holdings, Wall Street and Hollywood finally came around to what naysayers like the AMC theater chain had been complaining about all along: that the business model of MoviePass was fundamentally “unsustainable.”

Earlier this year, the company was spending an estimated $73 million a month to stay in operation. Helios and Matheson reported a net loss of $329.3 million last year, according to its most recent financial filing. And adding insult to the company’s already considerable injuries, on July 4 MoviePass suspended its service for several weeks to address technical issues and complete a redesign of its mobile app, and it announced its intention to “use this time to recapitalize in order to facilitate a seamless transition and improved subscriber experience once the service continues.”

But as Helios and Matheson CEO Ted Farnsworth pointed out in an interview with Vulture earlier this year, unscrupulous subscribers who misused and defrauded MoviePass to the tune of tens of millions of dollars posed a much graver threat than cash burn. “They were giving out their passwords and codes, jumping from device to device,” he said. “Multiple people seeing movies off of one MoviePass card. Multiple cards, multiple addresses, multiple emails. We had people scalping tickets. So it was really trying to get a grip on the people that were really abusing the terms and conditions and ruining it for other people.”

To remedy some of those issues, MoviePass deployed big data with tactical precision: The company verifies that subscribers (as opposed to scalped-ticket purchasers, friends, or loved ones) are the ones whose butts are in theater seats by double-checking the physical location of users’ smartphones via the MoviePass app. “So now, we continue inside the movie theater when that movie’s kicking off to make sure you’re not two miles away having dinner and somebody else is in there with the ticket,” Farnsworth explained.

Furthermore, he contextualized his company’s awkward-stage contractions in terms of the trajectory of other disruptive start-ups. “When Airbnb and Uber were starting out, they had these system crashes. And no one cared because it wasn’t in the public eye,” he said. “We, unfortunately, were in the public eye nonstop. And people would just feed on it. But you know what? We’re still standing.”

@godofwine @tallblacknyc
 
That shit is dead.

Regal is about to start their own service soon

Movie Pass changed the movie experience though...and for that I salute them
They did. Changed the game up for real. I saw Black Panther 15 times and gave 22 more tickets away to black kids/parents in my area. And...it cost me...... nothing
 
MoviePass Server Breach Is the Latest Example of How It Plays Fast and Loose With User Data
By Chris Lee

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Photo: Michael Nagle/Bloomberg via Getty Images


MoviePass just keeps shooting itself in the foot. On Wednesday, the beleaguered movie-ticketing subscription service confirmed that a security breach may have exposed tens of thousands of customers’ records online, where they may have remained unencrypted since early May. That information is alleged to include MoviePass card numbers and personal credit data including names, addresses, and card expiry dates — in other words, the building blocks for fraudulent financial transactions — all thanks to a lapse in password protection on a critical subdomain server.

“MoviePass recently discovered a security vulnerability that may have exposed customer records. After discovering the vulnerability, we immediately secured our systems to prevent further exposure and to mitigate the potential impact of this system,” chief executive Mitch Lowe said in a statement. “MoviePass takes this incident seriously and is dedicated to protecting our subscribers’ information. We are working diligently to investigate the scope of this incident and its potential impact on our subscribers. Once we gain a full understanding of the incident, we will promptly notify any affected subscribers snd the appropriate regulators or law enforcement.”

The announcement arrives as the latest self-inflicted calamity for the so-called Netflix of movies, which has remained in financial free fall for the better part of the past 17 months and has seen its goal of disrupting the theatrical-moviegoing business grow ever more remote. Dwindling from a user base of more than 3 million last year, MoviePass reportedly now boasts fewer than 225,000 subscribers.

Worse still, the company is furthering its already horrible reputation for jerking subscribers around by continuing to play fast and loose with customer data. News of the server breach comes just two weeks after another report that in July 2018, MoviePass resorted to changing users’ passwords without their knowledge to thwart ticket purchases by heavy users after the company temporarily ran out of funds. Citing former MoviePass employees, Business Insider reported that the 2018 insolvency compelled Lowe to make Mission: Impossible — Fallout unavailable on MoviePass and ordered that half of its subscribers be locked out of the system over the Tom Cruise thriller’s opening weekend.



Rising from obscurity to national prominence in 2017 by basically subsidizing subscribers’ moviegoing habits — a $9.95 monthly subscription allowed for one movie ticket a day, every day — MoviePass coasted by on consumer goodwill for a few months before staggering from disaster to disaster: technological glitches, surprise ticketing blackouts, massive amounts of user fraud. It eventually evolved into what NASDAQ characterized in a stock analysis as a “failed business that burns through cash at an alarming rate.”

MoviePass revised its original price plan in April 2018, limiting users to just four movies a month — and dropping that number to three films four months later. The decisions triggered mass subscriber outrage and defection. This January, when the majority stakeholder and parent company of MoviePass, the data-analytics firm Helios and Matheson, spun off a new subsidiary called MoviePass Entertainment Holdings, Wall Street and Hollywood finally came around to what naysayers like the AMC theater chain had been complaining about all along: that the business model of MoviePass was fundamentally “unsustainable.”

Earlier this year, the company was spending an estimated $73 million a month to stay in operation. Helios and Matheson reported a net loss of $329.3 million last year, according to its most recent financial filing. And adding insult to the company’s already considerable injuries, on July 4 MoviePass suspended its service for several weeks to address technical issues and complete a redesign of its mobile app, and it announced its intention to “use this time to recapitalize in order to facilitate a seamless transition and improved subscriber experience once the service continues.”

But as Helios and Matheson CEO Ted Farnsworth pointed out in an interview with Vulture earlier this year, unscrupulous subscribers who misused and defrauded MoviePass to the tune of tens of millions of dollars posed a much graver threat than cash burn. “They were giving out their passwords and codes, jumping from device to device,” he said. “Multiple people seeing movies off of one MoviePass card. Multiple cards, multiple addresses, multiple emails. We had people scalping tickets. So it was really trying to get a grip on the people that were really abusing the terms and conditions and ruining it for other people.”

To remedy some of those issues, MoviePass deployed big data with tactical precision: The company verifies that subscribers (as opposed to scalped-ticket purchasers, friends, or loved ones) are the ones whose butts are in theater seats by double-checking the physical location of users’ smartphones via the MoviePass app. “So now, we continue inside the movie theater when that movie’s kicking off to make sure you’re not two miles away having dinner and somebody else is in there with the ticket,” Farnsworth explained.

Furthermore, he contextualized his company’s awkward-stage contractions in terms of the trajectory of other disruptive start-ups. “When Airbnb and Uber were starting out, they had these system crashes. And no one cared because it wasn’t in the public eye,” he said. “We, unfortunately, were in the public eye nonstop. And people would just feed on it. But you know what? We’re still standing.”

@godofwine @tallblacknyc
Amazing how careless this was.
 
Moviepass Is Dead, Even After You Thought It Already Was
By Jordan Crucchiola@jorcru
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Photo: Andrew Harrer/Bloomberg via Getty Images

Two years after the crazy experiment of MoviePass began — allowing users to see up 30 movies a month in theaters for just a $10 subscription fee — the company is finally shutting down. The company’s ascent lasted a few months before reports of it hemorrhaging money starting popping up. It was briefly going to produce movies, with one Bruce Willis vehicle announced, but then things just started to come apart. Restrictions were placed how many movies subscribers could see in a month. Surge pricing hit. Users were unhappy. It was a general downhill slide, and come tomorrow the company will finally close up shop. As CNBC reports, though, “It has formed a strategic review committee, made up of the company’s independent directors, to explore ‘strategic and financial alternatives’ for the company.” Among those options is a sale of the MoviePass and all its components, which includes MoviePass, Moviefone, and MoviePass Films. So maybe, parts of the service will live on elsewhere like zombie limbs refusing to die.
 
Here's Why AMC Got the Better End of Its New Deal With Universal
The theater chain may be losing many weeks of movie ticket sales, but they're much less important weeks.

James Brumley
(TMFjbrumley)
Jul 30, 2020 at 4:46PM
Author Bio

The feud is over. Movie theater chain AMC Entertainment Holdings (NYSE:AMC) and the Universal Studios arm of media giant Comcast (NASDAQ:CMCS.A) have agreed on film distribution terms that both sides can live with. For the next few years, AMC movie theaters will have 17 days of rights to new Universal titles before they can be released via streaming video services, a drastically shorter period than the industry's long-standing 90-day minimum window.
It seems like a big shift, and it is. It's also reasonable to expect other studios and theaters to reach similar agreements going forward. At first blush, this seems like a compromise that helps and hurts both sides equally.
Closer scrutiny of how the film business works, however, could lead one to the conclusion that AMC got by far the better end of this deal.
IMAGE SOURCE: GETTY IMAGES.
The best two and a half weeks
The bulk of most new films' box office receipts are earned in the first two weeks they're in theaters -- by a country mile. One only has to examine a handful of pre-pandemic releases' day-by-day ticket sales to see just how true this is.
Let's start with the most recent installment of Disney's Star Wars franchise, The Rise of Skywalker. It opened on Friday, Dec. 20, and had $89.6 million in domestic ticket sales that day. By the end of Sunday that first weekend, it had grossed $177.4 million. The next weekend was big too and pushed the U.S. gross to $377.5 million. By the end of its third weekend (which included New Year's Day), The Rise of Skywalker had made $451.6 million in domestic ticket sales. But by the time the film left U.S. theaters in March, it had only coaxed another $63.6 million out of moviegoers to bring the four-month tally to $515.2 million.

DATA SOURCE: BOX OFFICE MOJO. CHART BY AUTHOR.
In other words, the first three weeks of a film's release -- and really, the first two weeks -- make up the lion's share of its marketability.
And this doesn't just apply to blockbusters, which naturally enjoy bursts of excitement immediately following their debuts that peter out pretty quickly. Take the highly acclaimed A Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood as an example. The story of Fred Rogers and his iconic children's TV show Mister Rogers Neighborhood opened on Friday, Nov. 22, and sold $13.2 million worth of tickets in the United States its first weekend. After the following weekend, that figure had swollen to $34.3 million. By the time the movie left theaters in March, it had racked up a total of $61.7 million in domestic ticket sales. In other words, it made more than 55% of its box office money in its first 10 days in theaters, and that was a film did unusually well later in its release window.
DATA SOURCE: BOX OFFICE MOJO. CHART BY AUTHOR.
Underscoring the idea that A Beautiful Day on the Neighborhood was something of an outlier in terms of how long it was able to draw people to theaters, take a look at how Rocketman's U.S. ticket sales flowed following its May 31 release. The Elton John biopic sold $66.7 million worth of tickets by the end of its 17th day in theaters. But over the next 81 days it remained in U.S. theaters, it sold less than $30 million worth of tickets domestically.
DATA SOURCE: BOX OFFICE MOJO. CHART BY AUTHOR
Theaters still have some leverage
Don't misread the situation. AMC is definitely compromising. Although the bulk of a film's revenue-generating firepower is generally expended by the end of its third weekend, less-new movies still pull their share of stragglers to theaters. If nothing else, those films provide another opportunity to sell patrons overpriced concessions. It's better to use that screen space to drive modest revenue than no revenue at all.

So in that regard, the theater chain is clearly giving up potential revenue. Exhibitors may have to think creatively about trying other media options to monetize their space once films stop showing just two and a half weeks after they debut. This may ultimately lead to a decrease in the theater industry's physical footprint.
However, given the distribution options Universal and its studio peers now have that didn't exist back in the 1940s (when the groundwork for what became the 90-day window of theatrical exclusivity was laid), AMC Theaters did well in its recent negotiations. The direct-to-consumer path was showing promise after Universal's decision to offer Trolls World Tour online produced more revenue than the theatrically released first film in the franchise did. AT&T-owned Warner Bros.'s animated Scoob! film did quite well when it was launched as a pay-per-view feature in May.
As it turns out though, studios need theaters a little more than they may have thought they did. And there will always be some titles that only deliver their best experience when seen on the big screen.


 
Here's Why AMC Got the Better End of Its New Deal With Universal
The theater chain may be losing many weeks of movie ticket sales, but they're much less important weeks.

James Brumley
(TMFjbrumley)
Jul 30, 2020 at 4:46PM
Author Bio

The feud is over. Movie theater chain AMC Entertainment Holdings (NYSE:AMC) and the Universal Studios arm of media giant Comcast (NASDAQ:CMCS.A) have agreed on film distribution terms that both sides can live with. For the next few years, AMC movie theaters will have 17 days of rights to new Universal titles before they can be released via streaming video services, a drastically shorter period than the industry's long-standing 90-day minimum window.
It seems like a big shift, and it is. It's also reasonable to expect other studios and theaters to reach similar agreements going forward. At first blush, this seems like a compromise that helps and hurts both sides equally.
Closer scrutiny of how the film business works, however, could lead one to the conclusion that AMC got by far the better end of this deal.
IMAGE SOURCE: GETTY IMAGES.
The best two and a half weeks
The bulk of most new films' box office receipts are earned in the first two weeks they're in theaters -- by a country mile. One only has to examine a handful of pre-pandemic releases' day-by-day ticket sales to see just how true this is.
Let's start with the most recent installment of Disney's Star Wars franchise, The Rise of Skywalker. It opened on Friday, Dec. 20, and had $89.6 million in domestic ticket sales that day. By the end of Sunday that first weekend, it had grossed $177.4 million. The next weekend was big too and pushed the U.S. gross to $377.5 million. By the end of its third weekend (which included New Year's Day), The Rise of Skywalker had made $451.6 million in domestic ticket sales. But by the time the film left U.S. theaters in March, it had only coaxed another $63.6 million out of moviegoers to bring the four-month tally to $515.2 million.

DATA SOURCE: BOX OFFICE MOJO. CHART BY AUTHOR.
In other words, the first three weeks of a film's release -- and really, the first two weeks -- make up the lion's share of its marketability.
And this doesn't just apply to blockbusters, which naturally enjoy bursts of excitement immediately following their debuts that peter out pretty quickly. Take the highly acclaimed A Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood as an example. The story of Fred Rogers and his iconic children's TV show Mister Rogers Neighborhood opened on Friday, Nov. 22, and sold $13.2 million worth of tickets in the United States its first weekend. After the following weekend, that figure had swollen to $34.3 million. By the time the movie left theaters in March, it had racked up a total of $61.7 million in domestic ticket sales. In other words, it made more than 55% of its box office money in its first 10 days in theaters, and that was a film did unusually well later in its release window.
DATA SOURCE: BOX OFFICE MOJO. CHART BY AUTHOR.
Underscoring the idea that A Beautiful Day on the Neighborhood was something of an outlier in terms of how long it was able to draw people to theaters, take a look at how Rocketman's U.S. ticket sales flowed following its May 31 release. The Elton John biopic sold $66.7 million worth of tickets by the end of its 17th day in theaters. But over the next 81 days it remained in U.S. theaters, it sold less than $30 million worth of tickets domestically.
DATA SOURCE: BOX OFFICE MOJO. CHART BY AUTHOR
Theaters still have some leverage
Don't misread the situation. AMC is definitely compromising. Although the bulk of a film's revenue-generating firepower is generally expended by the end of its third weekend, less-new movies still pull their share of stragglers to theaters. If nothing else, those films provide another opportunity to sell patrons overpriced concessions. It's better to use that screen space to drive modest revenue than no revenue at all.

So in that regard, the theater chain is clearly giving up potential revenue. Exhibitors may have to think creatively about trying other media options to monetize their space once films stop showing just two and a half weeks after they debut. This may ultimately lead to a decrease in the theater industry's physical footprint.
However, given the distribution options Universal and its studio peers now have that didn't exist back in the 1940s (when the groundwork for what became the 90-day window of theatrical exclusivity was laid), AMC Theaters did well in its recent negotiations. The direct-to-consumer path was showing promise after Universal's decision to offer Trolls World Tour online produced more revenue than the theatrically released first film in the franchise did. AT&T-owned Warner Bros.'s animated Scoob! film did quite well when it was launched as a pay-per-view feature in May.
As it turns out though, studios need theaters a little more than they may have thought they did. And there will always be some titles that only deliver their best experience when seen on the big screen.


something amc didn't consider is that now that people know that a movie will go straight to streaming in 17 days that some people will hold out and just wait the 2 and a half weeks to see the movie at home.. Especially people with larger families or people that might be on a budget, than you have the covid fearers
 
something amc didn't consider is that now that people know that a movie will go straight to streaming in 17 days that some people will hold out and just wait the 2 and a half weeks to see the movie at home.. Especially people with larger families or people that might be on a budget, than you have the covid fearers

Yup

Some wait ANYWAY for lower ticket prices less crowds matinees etc

But i got a funny feeling...

The first few months they open?

Sheep gonna flock

Wouldn't be surprised the gop try to ENCOURAGE it.
 
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