Black men face high discrimination and depression, even as their education and incomes rise

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Black men face high discrimination and depression, even as their education and incomes rise
July 21, 2020
Authors
  1. Shervin Assari
    Associate Professor of Family Medicine, Charles R. Drew University of Medicine and Science
  2. T.J. Curry
    Professor of Philosophy, Personal Chair of Africana Philosophy & Black Male Studies, University of Edinburgh
Are you a highly educated and relatively wealthy Black man in the U.S.? Studies that we have done and also those by others show that you are at increased risk of discrimination and depression. Our research on the intersection of race and gender in the U.S. shows that while education and income reduce the risk of discrimination and depression for whites and Black women, this is not so for Black men. This underscores other research we have done that suggests Black men are especially singled out as dangerous, threatening and inferior.

The first author, Shervin Assari, is a physician and an associate professor of family medicine at Charles R. Drew University of Medicine and Science. Many of his studies have documented that black men still face depression, which could stem from discrimination, even when they achieve traditional measures of success.

The second author, Tommy J. Curry, is a philosopher and holds a personal chair of Africana philosophy and Black male studies at the University of Edinburgh. He is the author of “The Man-Not: Race, Class, Genre, and the Dilemmas of Black Manhood,” which won the American Book Award. The findings of his work show that Black men and boys not only experience racism, but are targets of extreme levels of dehumanization and violence because of their maleness.

First, we briefly summarize the results of six studies. Then, we discuss their meanings and implications – and the difficulty of Black men escaping the effects of racism with the added layer of gender, known as racial misandry, gendered or sexualized racism.
Study 1
In the National Survey of American Life study, Black boys from the wealthiest families were the most depressed.

Study 2
In a study that followed 1,200 Black and white people for 25 years, for Black men, the highest educational credentials were associated with an increase, rather than a decrease, in depressive symptoms.

Study 3
In a nationally representative sample of U.S. adults, Black men with the highest income have the highest risk of depression, specifically major depressive disorder. We also found that interpersonal discrimination, or people discriminating one-on-one, was not a reason.
For Black boys, discrimination during adolescence leads to depression two decades later when they are adults.

Study 4
In another study, 700 Black adolescents were followed for two decades in Flint, Michigan. Perceived racial discrimination was measured in 1999 and 2002. We found discrimination during adolescence was a predictor of depressive symptoms as individuals transitioned to young adulthood a decade later. But this was the case for Black males, not Black females.

Study 5
In that same study in Flint, we found that an increase in perceived neighborhood fear, defined as being scared of the crime and violence in the neighborhood, was associated with an increase in depressive symptoms for Black males – but not Black females.

Study 6
Our final research was studying implicit bias, or when people, without their conscious knowledge, hold stereotypes about others. Our study applied data of the Implicit Association Test (IAT), which measures how our brain struggles to match Black faces with positive terms, of nearly 450,000 individuals. We found that white men hold higher implicit bias against Black people than white women do. This is troubling because white men have the highest level of political power and make up the majority of police, judges, lawyers and people who make hiring and promotion decisions. White men are also most likely to be the ones who write the rules and the laws. Implicit bias is still bias, and it too could be a factor in Black men’s depression.

Many other studies show similar findings.

Black men are disproportionately shot and killed by police more than Black women. Black men are stopped, arrested, jailed more, and significantly overrepresented in U.S. prisons. Black men are six times more likely than white men to spend time in prison. This increased risk for black men is highest when they are tall and large.
One study deserves particular attention – the famous “Gender Matters Too.” It shows Black boys and girls in eighth and 11th grades differed in their perception of peer and classroom discrimination. For boys, discrimination harmed their grades, attitudes and their regard for the importance of school. For girls, however, the effects generally had a positive impact.

In other words, race alone may not be the issue here. Instead, it is an issue of race and gender, that may stem from hopelessness, inequality and blocked opportunities.
Together, these studies provide a disturbing picture of the challenges that Black males face. And, they show the burden that Black men bear when some whites wonder “What’s the big deal? Racism was 150 years ago.”

What ended 150 years ago was slavery, not racism, and our research suggests that Black men experience this racism in distinct ways. Many of the racist ideas white Americans have of Black people are driven by the negative stereotypes white Americans have of Black men being more violent, sexual promiscuous and dangerous than other race/sex groups. This dynamic is so strong that even hearing the names of Black men can lead to a fight-or-flight response in white males. A recent study found that even armed Black and white women were less threatening than unarmed Black males to white Americans.

The reality of racism in the U.S. makes Black males peculiarly targeted by lethal violence, police homicide and economic downward mobility.
And, according to our studies, regardless of their economic success and personal ambitions, Black males are still perceived as more threatening and dangerous than their female counterparts.

Black men’s issues overlooked
Unfortunately for us all, it has primarily been the dead Black male body that drives our understandings of racism against Black men and boys in the United States.
Yet racism stalks Black men every day of their lives, dehumanizing them, decreasing their quality of life and even shortening their lives; Black men live, on average, four fewer years than white men. Efforts to escape racism’s effects, such as gaining education and earning more money, force them to question their own worth.
We believe solutions are based not just on renaming streets but to acknowledge, without blaming Black men, how discrimination contributes to blocked opportunities, the lack of jobs and the use of lethal aggression against their group.

Although this piece focused on highly educated and high-income Black men, this problem is not only a problem of the most elite and most successful Black men. The disproportionate struggles that successful Black men have with depression does not indicate their weakness, but instead their vulnerability, and how racism has vastly different consequences for them compared to black women and other groups. Said differently, the consequences of the higher rates of homicide, incarceration and unemployment against the Black male group has existential consequences for many Black men and boys as individuals.

 
We never were targeted cause our education was low or cause our funds were low.. We were targeted cause simply we was black... Your elders were suited and booted in the 60s or prior and were well mannered individuals and guess what they were still fire hosed, had police dogs unleashed on them, harrased, beating, arrested, and killed.. Our skin color is the reason for the harassment and nothing more
 
Thank You! Even when our grandfathers & great grandfathers were dapper they got beaten or killed.

We never were targeted cause our education was low or cause our funds were low.. We were targeted cause simply we was black... Your elders were suited and booted in the 60s or prior and were well mannered individuals and guess what they were still fire hosed, had police dogs unleashed on them, harrased, beating, arrested, and killed.. Our skin color is the reason for the harassment and nothing more
 
What's money and education if your still treated less than human over 50% of your life.

...anybody giving this study any real science credibility is an idiot!

:tut: TJ (Coon looking ass kneegrow) and Shervin(European cracka enabler) thanks for telling us Black men that you will never know, something we've known for 500 years!
 
Don’t agree with the depression part
depression can also be defined by mood disorder... Put some black men around a lot of cacs in certain career fields... Allow that black man to tell you about his work environment.. You will hear somewhat anger in his voice about "dumbass crackers".. That attitude would be a common response.. Just cause it's common doesn't mean it's natural and healthy... In fact many dudes will go get a drink or smoke some weed after work to calm his nerves from dealing with those cacs... That right there can be a mood disorder that some would connect to the depression term
 
depression can also be defined by mood disorder... Put some black men around a lot of cacs in certain career fields... Allow that black man to tell you about his work environment.. You will hear somewhat anger in his voice about "dumbass crackers".. That attitude would be a common response.. Just cause it's common doesn't mean it's natural and healthy... In fact many dudes will go get a drink or smoke some weed after work to calm his nerves from dealing with those cacs... That right there can be a mood disorder that some would connect to the depression term
It's a lot of pressure having cacs work for you because you know if given the chance they will undermine you at the first opportunity. I don't feel depressed about it but it is what it is. My response is to stay hyper vigilant which I know cannot be mentality healthy in the long run. These cacs really has done a number on us.
 
Black men face high discrimination and depression, even as their education and incomes rise
July 21, 2020
Authors
  1. Shervin Assari
    Associate Professor of Family Medicine, Charles R. Drew University of Medicine and Science
  2. T.J. Curry
    Professor of Philosophy, Personal Chair of Africana Philosophy & Black Male Studies, University of Edinburgh
Are you a highly educated and relatively wealthy Black man in the U.S.? Studies that we have done and also those by others show that you are at increased risk of discrimination and depression. Our research on the intersection of race and gender in the U.S. shows that while education and income reduce the risk of discrimination and depression for whites and Black women, this is not so for Black men. This underscores other research we have done that suggests Black men are especially singled out as dangerous, threatening and inferior.

The first author, Shervin Assari, is a physician and an associate professor of family medicine at Charles R. Drew University of Medicine and Science. Many of his studies have documented that black men still face depression, which could stem from discrimination, even when they achieve traditional measures of success.

The second author, Tommy J. Curry, is a philosopher and holds a personal chair of Africana philosophy and Black male studies at the University of Edinburgh. He is the author of “The Man-Not: Race, Class, Genre, and the Dilemmas of Black Manhood,” which won the American Book Award. The findings of his work show that Black men and boys not only experience racism, but are targets of extreme levels of dehumanization and violence because of their maleness.

First, we briefly summarize the results of six studies. Then, we discuss their meanings and implications – and the difficulty of Black men escaping the effects of racism with the added layer of gender, known as racial misandry, gendered or sexualized racism.
Study 1
In the National Survey of American Life study, Black boys from the wealthiest families were the most depressed.

Study 2
In a study that followed 1,200 Black and white people for 25 years, for Black men, the highest educational credentials were associated with an increase, rather than a decrease, in depressive symptoms.

Study 3
In a nationally representative sample of U.S. adults, Black men with the highest income have the highest risk of depression, specifically major depressive disorder. We also found that interpersonal discrimination, or people discriminating one-on-one, was not a reason.
For Black boys, discrimination during adolescence leads to depression two decades later when they are adults.

Study 4
In another study, 700 Black adolescents were followed for two decades in Flint, Michigan. Perceived racial discrimination was measured in 1999 and 2002. We found discrimination during adolescence was a predictor of depressive symptoms as individuals transitioned to young adulthood a decade later. But this was the case for Black males, not Black females.

Study 5
In that same study in Flint, we found that an increase in perceived neighborhood fear, defined as being scared of the crime and violence in the neighborhood, was associated with an increase in depressive symptoms for Black males – but not Black females.

Study 6
Our final research was studying implicit bias, or when people, without their conscious knowledge, hold stereotypes about others. Our study applied data of the Implicit Association Test (IAT), which measures how our brain struggles to match Black faces with positive terms, of nearly 450,000 individuals. We found that white men hold higher implicit bias against Black people than white women do. This is troubling because white men have the highest level of political power and make up the majority of police, judges, lawyers and people who make hiring and promotion decisions. White men are also most likely to be the ones who write the rules and the laws. Implicit bias is still bias, and it too could be a factor in Black men’s depression.

Many other studies show similar findings.

Black men are disproportionately shot and killed by police more than Black women. Black men are stopped, arrested, jailed more, and significantly overrepresented in U.S. prisons. Black men are six times more likely than white men to spend time in prison. This increased risk for black men is highest when they are tall and large.
One study deserves particular attention – the famous “Gender Matters Too.” It shows Black boys and girls in eighth and 11th grades differed in their perception of peer and classroom discrimination. For boys, discrimination harmed their grades, attitudes and their regard for the importance of school. For girls, however, the effects generally had a positive impact.

In other words, race alone may not be the issue here. Instead, it is an issue of race and gender, that may stem from hopelessness, inequality and blocked opportunities.
Together, these studies provide a disturbing picture of the challenges that Black males face. And, they show the burden that Black men bear when some whites wonder “What’s the big deal? Racism was 150 years ago.”

What ended 150 years ago was slavery, not racism, and our research suggests that Black men experience this racism in distinct ways. Many of the racist ideas white Americans have of Black people are driven by the negative stereotypes white Americans have of Black men being more violent, sexual promiscuous and dangerous than other race/sex groups. This dynamic is so strong that even hearing the names of Black men can lead to a fight-or-flight response in white males. A recent study found that even armed Black and white women were less threatening than unarmed Black males to white Americans.

The reality of racism in the U.S. makes Black males peculiarly targeted by lethal violence, police homicide and economic downward mobility.
And, according to our studies, regardless of their economic success and personal ambitions, Black males are still perceived as more threatening and dangerous than their female counterparts.

Black men’s issues overlooked
Unfortunately for us all, it has primarily been the dead Black male body that drives our understandings of racism against Black men and boys in the United States.
Yet racism stalks Black men every day of their lives, dehumanizing them, decreasing their quality of life and even shortening their lives; Black men live, on average, four fewer years than white men. Efforts to escape racism’s effects, such as gaining education and earning more money, force them to question their own worth.
We believe solutions are based not just on renaming streets but to acknowledge, without blaming Black men, how discrimination contributes to blocked opportunities, the lack of jobs and the use of lethal aggression against their group.

Although this piece focused on highly educated and high-income Black men, this problem is not only a problem of the most elite and most successful Black men. The disproportionate struggles that successful Black men have with depression does not indicate their weakness, but instead their vulnerability, and how racism has vastly different consequences for them compared to black women and other groups. Said differently, the consequences of the higher rates of homicide, incarceration and unemployment against the Black male group has existential consequences for many Black men and boys as individuals.


Good looking out and sharing this!!
 
Don’t agree with the depression part
Disagree fam. Sometimes more money/title/responsibilities/threats/discrimination equals more stress and fatigue, lack of good sleep which leads to depression. Haven’t even mentioned family stressors, kids, spouse, etc.

Back to professionally though; you can never express yourself the same as your peers or even subordinates; have to deal with all eyes on you 24/7/365; find yourself wasting precious time and energy on trivial bullshit; it all can fuck with your mind.
 
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depression can also be defined by mood disorder... Put some black men around a lot of cacs in certain career fields... Allow that black man to tell you about his work environment.. You will hear somewhat anger in his voice about "dumbass crackers".. That attitude would be a common response.. Just cause it's common doesn't mean it's natural and healthy... In fact many dudes will go get a drink or smoke some weed after work to calm his nerves from dealing with those cacs... That right there can be a mood disorder that some would connect to the depression term

I don’t know study just don’t sit right with me everyone flourishes with education and wealth......but black men..,,please


You are delusional. I am sure YOU are depressed and don't even know it.
If you were honest, I would break it down for you.
Don't be walking around thinking that depression is a weakness.

Thanks Dr Phil....your opinion to me is just that an opinion

and Depression is weakness.
 
depression can also be defined by mood disorder... Put some black men around a lot of cacs in certain career fields... Allow that black man to tell you about his work environment.. You will hear somewhat anger in his voice about "dumbass crackers".. That attitude would be a common response.. Just cause it's common doesn't mean it's natural and healthy... In fact many dudes will go get a drink or smoke some weed after work to calm his nerves from dealing with those cacs... That right there can be a mood disorder that some would connect to the depression term


It ain't just white folks either...you work around any race who look out for each other and will throw you to the side it's bad for your state of mind.especielly when you see your own people not in a position to do the same.

I remember that black dude who worked at a beer brewery and faced racism from his cac co-workers everyday.well one day he went to work and killed them then himself.

could he have left? Yes..but maybe he thought it would be the same somewhere else and said fuck it.
 
I don’t know study just don’t sit right with me everyone flourishes with education and wealth......but black men..,,please




Thanks Dr Phil....your opinion to me is just that an opinion

and Depression is weakness.
I get what you mean but you got to understand your environment will change and unfortunately you might be around more cacs in certain situations... Also having more money might mean you might buy certain products and you can get harassed more by cops for driving certain cars, get followed more around stores cause you shopping at certain spots more frequent by cacs, you get questioned more for having large amounts of money or buying big purchases, if you move into certain neighborhoods cacs will be eyeballing or quick to call the boys on you.. Than its just plain ole animosity from cacs that you doing the same or better than them.. some of these issues happen more than a lil.. I know a few well to do bros that tell me about some of these issues just with the spending and having certain items
 
Of course you either have to be gay or an straight white ass kisser to maintain around most jobs and what kills me is that you have a lot of other black people on the job who will do you dirty unwarranted so they can keep their little fuck job.

It's stacked up against more straight black males but where's there's a will there's a way.
 
depression can also be defined by mood disorder... Put some black men around a lot of cacs in certain career fields... Allow that black man to tell you about his work environment.. You will hear somewhat anger in his voice about "dumbass crackers".. That attitude would be a common response.. Just cause it's common doesn't mean it's natural and healthy... In fact many dudes will go get a drink or smoke some weed after work to calm his nerves from dealing with those cacs... That right there can be a mood disorder that some would connect to the depression term

^^^^^
Kaboom
 
I bet you are fat, drink beer, wine, cognac and BBQ sauce like athletes drink water.

I don’t know study just don’t sit right with me everyone flourishes with education and wealth......but black men..,,please




Thanks Dr Phil....your opinion to me is just that an opinion

and Depression is weakness.
 
All facts. How about people that drink everyday, use drugs including cigarettes and hooka and weed?
How about motherfuckers on video games all day, or sports fanatics.
Y'all dont even realize you are self medicating.

Then see someone else self medicating with something y'all doing "understand" and make judgements.

Everyone living on this earth is fucked up in one way or another.

All of us are weak, looking to escape reality.

All that shit I listed is an escape.

I get what you mean but you got to understand your environment will change and unfortunately you might be around more cacs in certain situations... Also having more money might mean you might buy certain products and you can get harassed more by cops for driving certain cars, get followed more around stores cause you shopping at certain spots more frequent by cacs, you get questioned more for having large amounts of money or buying big purchases, if you move into certain neighborhoods cacs will be eyeballing or quick to call the boys on you.. Than its just plain ole animosity from cacs that you doing the same or better than them.. some of these issues happen more than a lil.. I know a few well to do bros that tell me about some of these issues just with the spending and having certain items
 
Disagree fam. Sometimes more money/title/responsibilities/threats/discrimination equals more stress and fatigue, lack of good sleep whih leads to depression. Haven’t even mentioned family stressors, kids spouse, etc.

Back to professionally though; you can never express yourself the same as your peers or even subordinates; have to deal with all eyes on you 24/7/365; find yourself wasting precious time and energy on trivial bullshit; it all can fuck with your mind.

Well said, bruh..
 
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Lack of sleep, bowel issues.. do you have diarrhea or constipation? Do you have acid reflux? Are you bigger and wider that you were a couple of years ago? Eating more? What you think is causing all that? Y'all need to be honest with ya self.

A lot of us aint that far from Kanye.
 
More money more problems
The problems were always there. Money gives you a voice. It gives you an opportunity to solve your issues.

I’ve posted numerously that technically I’m a millionaire but I’m stuck in a rot mentally. I’ve been stuck for a while. It wasn’t until a couple months ago that I was able to step back and realize that while it’s unfortunate that I have an issue, as a man, I have to get over it.

I had to get over it.
 
You are delusional. I am sure YOU are depressed and don't even know it.
If you were honest, I would break it down for you.
Don't be walking around thinking that depression is a weakness.

True.
All I can say is that I don't spend any time going over and over anything negative in my life....
I don't have anger spells or crying spells

My default 95% of the time is simply happiness and optimism ‍♂️
 
That is dope. Teach me.
Cause especially during these times, I am losing it.

True.
All I can say is that I don't spend any time going over and over anything negative in my life....
I don't have anger spells or crying spells

My default 95% of the time is simply happiness and optimism ‍♂
 
The problems were always there. Money gives you a voice. It gives you an opportunity to solve your issues.

I’ve posted numerously that technically I’m a millionaire but I’m stuck in a rot mentally. I’ve been stuck for a while. It wasn’t until a couple months ago that I was able to step back and realize that while it’s unfortunate that I have an issue, as a man, I have to get over it.

I had to get over it.
Nigga please:lol: :lol:
Your dusty ass was using blankets as curtains a few years ago
 
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