Bill Cosby's Pound Cake Speech: Was it Really That Bad?

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Here is a portion of the pound cake speech, the portion that was the most controversial. Do we really still think he was wrong?


Here is Cosby in 1968 discussing racism and education. This dude has been all in since the beginning.


Here is Cosby talking about slavery.
 
Do we really still think he was wrong?
He was never wrong,it's not what you say but how and when you say it.He made fun of how blacks talk but a lot of the characters he played all had moments of talking slang even Dr.Crosby who was an educated Doctor that has jokes at certain moments.

Fast forward to 2020 and he's wearing the orange garb and it's not Gordon Catrell either and now he has to ask himself "...Is it because I'm black???..." no matter how wealthy,famous,kind or any of that doesn't matter when you're black.
 
let me break this shit down so this question wont ever have to be asked again.

Everything he said in that speech was factually inaccurate or an out and out lie.

the people he spoke about do not exist.

he referenced racial stereotypes about his own people.

the events he spoke about never happened.

all of it was made up, including the stats. we have NEVER had 50% drop out rates.

he spoke about morality in the Black community while his ass was on a 50 year finger banging the pussy tour.


and its hilarious that he said we cant blame white folks when white folks illegally jammed him all the way up.

i KNOW he regrets that shit now.
 
I have three problems with his speech: 1.) It lacked context. To talk about all the shit wrong with black people and not mention how it got that way is irresponsible. 2.) Nigga, you don't say shit like this in mixed company. Keep family business at home. Saying this in public gave crackas all types of ammunition. 3.) (My girl said this one) Nigga, you were doing all types of dirty shit in the background that you covered up. Now you tryin to point a finger? Don't be a hypocrite!
 
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Nothing wrong with what he said.
But the same thing could've been said about his generation.
Which means his generation didn't teach the new ones shit.
That's why the pound cake speech was made. Because of him.
Yep, he was correct in what he said but he was talking about his own creation, metaphorically speaking from a macro level.

But his generation (late silent generation and the entire baby boomer generation) are the reasons for the decline. They are the worst leaders, generational, in over a century.
 
I have three problems with his speech: 1.) It lacked context. To talk about all the shit wrong with black people and not mention how it got that way is irresponsible. 2.) Nigga, you don't say shit like this in mixed company. Keep family business at home. Saying this in public gave crackas all types of ammunition. 3.) (My girl said this one) Nigga, you were doing all types of dirty shit in the background that you covered up. Now you tryin to point a finger? Don't be a hypocrite!



Say it a louder for the OP...
 
Here is a portion of the pound cake speech, the portion that was the most controversial. Do we really still think he was wrong?


Here is Cosby in 1968 discussing racism and education. This dude has been all in since the beginning.


Here is Cosby talking about slavery.


I'm not sure why so many people have a problem with the shit. Dude said basically that Brown v Bd Of Education was being undermined because some parents are concerned with their kids doing the right things. Basically that's it. Unfortunately, there is more to those stories and that condition is not going away because of many issues in our society. What I would have like to see was that he get out in front and offer more solutions to solve some of those problems.....and not rape a bunch of women. Mostly not rape, then do the other thing.
 
I have three problems with his speech: 1.) It lacked context. To talk about all the shit wrong with black people and not mention how it got that way is irresponsible. 2.) Nigga, you don't say shit like this in mixed company. Keep family business at home. Saying this in public gave crackas all types of ammunition. 3.) (My girl said this one) Nigga, you were doing all types of dirty shit in the background that you covered up. Now you tryin to point a finger? Don't be a hypocrite!
I could see why you would have these opinions. But, let me offer this to your points:

1.) It lacked context. To talk about all the shit wrong with black people and not mention how it got that way is irresponsible.

Did he call out ALL the shit wrong? Or just a few related to education and children? He talked about broken English, pants hanging, poor achievement in education, and stupid decisions which lead to incarceration. He mentioned that poor parenting got us there. So he did actually state how it got that way.

2.) Nigga, you don't say shit like this in mixed company. Keep family business at home. Saying this in public gave crackas all types of ammunition.

This was a forum of black people for black people. Is that not "family " also, whats the point of saying something behind closed doors if it is not going to be heard? What "family business " do we have that has not been used by crackas?

3.) (My girl said this one) Nigga, you were doing all types of dirty shit in the background that you covered up. Now you tryin to point a finger? Don't be a hypocrite!

There has never been anyone without flaws. We have become a society that likes to kill the message due to a flawed messenger. MLK had sex orgies and cheated on his wife numerous times. Should we disregard everything he has done and said? Malcolm X was a thief, numbers runners, and rumored gay export ( I don't believe this one tho) Should we disregard everything he has done and said?

If a house was on fire and Donald Trump told you to not go in because the house is on fire and it will kill you, are you going to disregard his message because is Donald Trump?

Again this me just offering a friendly counter argument, not attacking your opinion.
 
Absolutely nothing wrong with what Bill Cosby said. Malcolm X said the same thing. Got no heat for it. Tupac did too. Got no heat for it. Hell, even Chris Rock said the same thing, jokingly of course, but there is truth behind every comedian's jokes.
 
Yep, he was correct in what he said but he was talking about his own creation, metaphorically speaking from a macro level.

But his generation (late silent generation and the entire baby boomer generation) are the reasons for the decline. They are the worst leaders, generational, in over a century.
His generation didn’t pass down any wealth, they integrated instead. His generation gave up most of their businesses to give their money to white businesses. So, that BS he spoke was inherited. Blacks could’ve had economic empowerment today if those Baby Boomers didn’t fuck up.
What did your generations do fellas?
 
All of you who took offense to what he said apparently have not been to some of the neighborhoods he was referring to. Yes white people have put us in a perpetual boot strapping lifestyle where we are always required to do more with less.

But to discount the message because of the messenger? Malcom X did and sold drugs and fucked white women. MLK was a philanderer let history tell it.

You contrarians love to call the women with the tats and green weave and fighting in the streets and twerking in the gas station ratchet. But when they bear children what do you think the life style of they child will be?? Who we correct them or attempt to point them in a new direction? Fuck feelings.

Yes the government impoverished our communities with guns and drugs. But it is irresponsible and counter productive to not point out those that are "CHOOSING" that life.

How did we think kids raised by 13 and 14 year olds were going to turn out grandma 28? Some children can persevere but the others are on a fast track to no where.

Let's stop making excuses for those who are the manifestation of their life choices. We all grew up with folks that made different choices than we did and you can't always absolve them of the consequences of those choices.

So no the message is not for ALL black people or ALL single mothers or ALL black communities but we can't pretend it is not needed for SOME!!
 
Bill Cosby is the Black Star Power tragedy of the Millenium. Very sad to be at such heights with such good and sincere works, just to be outed and fall so far all while perpetrating a fraud to the very people that supported him the whole way.

time and time again....sex had been the undoing of MANY men throughout history......

its the one thing that never fails
 
I could see why you would have these opinions. But, let me offer this to your points:

1.) It lacked context. To talk about all the shit wrong with black people and not mention how it got that way is irresponsible.

Did he call out ALL the shit wrong? Or just a few related to education and children? He talked about broken English, pants hanging, poor achievement in education, and stupid decisions which lead to incarceration. He mentioned that poor parenting got us there. So he did actually state how it got that way.
Black folks' respectability politics loves to deal with effects rather than the cause. It loves taking every negativity that can be put on Black folks, broadly painting us with them, blaming the victims, declaring them a moral failure and then separating oneself from the Black folks whom it has slandered.

It refuses to look at things from the point of how the neighborhoods got that way, how the institutions are failing poor Black folks, how joblessness affects things, how lack of educational resources affect things. It fails to to speak of how the CIA brought crack into the hood, how the government dumps boxcars and trucks full of guns into low income depressed Black communities. how prison for profit affects unjust arrests and disproportionate sentencing. Bill never spoke of the prison industrial complex, the over policing of Black folks- especially poor Black folks, or the planned labeling of criminalization of Black folks via the Southern Strategy and how that informed his own narrative.

...All spoken from the viewpoint of one who has spent decades in a gated community hobnobbing with his Hollywood friends as a multi-millionaire not even dealing with the individuals he's shaking a finger at, while behind the scenes he cheats on his wife and drugs chicks.

...Trying to lecture people about morals and family values.
 
Black folks' respectability politics loves to deal with effects rather than the cause. It loves taking every negativity that can be put on Black folks, broadly painting us with them, blaming the victims, declaring them a moral failure and then separating oneself from the Black folks whom it has slandered.

It refuses to look at things from the point of how the neighborhoods got that way, how the institutions are failing poor Black folks, how joblessness affects things, how lack of educational resources affect things. It fails to to speak of how the CIA brought crack into the hood, how the government dumps boxcars and trucks full of guns into low income depressed Black communities. how prison for profit affects unjust arrests and disproportionate sentencing. Bill never spoke of the prison industrial complex, the over policing of Black folks- especially poor Black folks, or the planned labeling of criminalization of Black folks via the Southern Strategy and how that informed his own narrative.

...All spoken from the viewpoint of one who has spent decades in a gated community hobnobbing with his Hollywood friends as a multi-millionaire not even dealing with the individuals he's shaking a finger at, while behind the scenes he cheats on his wife and drugs chicks.

...Trying to lecture people about morals and family values.
One could say that people have very short memories. This man has always been about the community. Donated millions. Created positive content. Spoke out publicly against racism. Now people want to say that water isn't wet because Cosby said it?

Why can't we see the lunacy in this? He told the truth. And we are supposed to be mad? He spoke for 3 minutes. But according to some, he should have spent an hour talking anout how we got there? He talked about things we can fix on our own, in spite of systemic racism.

We can not defend bad parenting. People make decisions. If everyone on this board was honest, we all know poor decisions that we have made that had nothing to do with systemic racism. Poor decisions that changed the whole course of our lives.
 
I understand what he was trying to convey, but it may have missed the mark for a majority of people. He came across as preachy, and has a reputation of doing so, but he also jumps from point to point in a reckless manner that appears to be extremely condescending to those who needs the most encouragement most.

It's the equivalent of offering your hand to help pull someone out of danger, all while saying emotionally damaging things that have no connection to the current dilemma affecting you at the time of rescue.
 
One could say that people have very short memories. This man has always been about the community. Donated millions. Created positive content. Spoke out publicly against racism. Now people want to say that water isn't wet because Cosby said it?
My memory is long. I've ridden with him all my life. He was once one of my greatest heroes growing up. I know all those things he did. I know about those videos from the late 60s and 70s that you posted. I also know his speech from 2004 was unbalanced and problematic, and was spoken from a place of privilege.

Why can't we see the lunacy in this? He told the truth. And we are supposed to be mad? He spoke for 3 minutes. But according to some, he should have spent an hour talking anout how we got there? He talked about things we can fix on our own, in spite of systemic racism.
He did not tell THE truth. He told SOME truth. He also left out a whole lot more truth, as I pointed out. The dysfunctional things he spoke of didn't and don't exist in a vacuum. He basically spoke from the white right wing playbook making the ills in our poor communities into a purely moral failing- while creating nonexistent hypotheticals. Just like the narrative of the racists he parroted, his speech was just as uninformed and lacking in relevant statistical data and a perspective that takes into account those who created and maintained the conditions under which dysfunction thrives. He could have just actually shut the fuck up and not made the pound cake speech at all.

We can not defend bad parenting. People make decisions. If everyone on this board was honest, we all know poor decisions that we have made that had nothing to do with systemic racism. Poor decisions that changed the whole course of our lives.
It's not about "defending bad parenting". Individual poor decisions we make on this board have nothing to do with joblessness rates, lack of funding for good schools and educational materials, rampant discrimination in small business loans. over policing, the system of prison for profit, the prison industrial complex, excessive sentencing and a plethora of other things affecting poor Black communities that I mentioned which you conveniently left out of your response.
 
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Wow...

We have people here who don't know the difference between a fact and a fucking racially hateful bald ass lie.

There was never a 50% drop out rate for Black people in the US.

He LIED.

teen pregnancy, crime in Black neighborhoods were down to historic lows when he made that speech.

He LIED.

Brown vs the board of education was not a deal that "THEY" GAVE US. "THEY" lost in court and left those schools for the suburbs then underfunded the school system, leaving us in the same condition, separate and unequal.

He LIED.

Nobody got killed over pound cake. He referenced a crime that DID NOT HAPPEN.

He LIED.

the fuck is wrong with yall who thinks he said nothing wrong when EVERYTHING he said was FALSE?
 
I could see why you would have these opinions. But, let me offer this to your points:

1.) It lacked context. To talk about all the shit wrong with black people and not mention how it got that way is irresponsible.

Did he call out ALL the shit wrong? Or just a few related to education and children? He talked about broken English, pants hanging, poor achievement in education, and stupid decisions which lead to incarceration. He mentioned that poor parenting got us there. So he did actually state how it got that way.

2.) Nigga, you don't say shit like this in mixed company. Keep family business at home. Saying this in public gave crackas all types of ammunition.

This was a forum of black people for black people. Is that not "family " also, whats the point of saying something behind closed doors if it is not going to be heard? What "family business " do we have that has not been used by crackas?

3.) (My girl said this one) Nigga, you were doing all types of dirty shit in the background that you covered up. Now you tryin to point a finger? Don't be a hypocrite!

There has never been anyone without flaws. We have become a society that likes to kill the message due to a flawed messenger. MLK had sex orgies and cheated on his wife numerous times. Should we disregard everything he has done and said? Malcolm X was a thief, numbers runners, and rumored gay export ( I don't believe this one tho) Should we disregard everything he has done and said?

If a house was on fire and Donald Trump told you to not go in because the house is on fire and it will kill you, are you going to disregard his message because is Donald Trump?

Again this me just offering a friendly counter argument, not attacking your opinion.

All really good points. I would have proposed similar counter arguments when the speech was given but that was 16 years ago and now I have the advantage of hindsight and the revelation that despite Bill's intent he was wrong.
  • Did he call out ALL the shit wrong? Or just a few related to education and children? He talked about broken English, pants hanging, poor achievement in education, and stupid decisions which lead to incarceration. He mentioned that poor parenting got us there. So he did actually state how it got that way.
Laying all of these problems at the feet of the victims is not being thorough. Ask yourself this question: Are black people at the bottom of socio-economic ladder because they're inherently flawed or is something holding them back? Without an answer to that question his pronouncements about black problems are incomplete.
  • This was a forum of black people for black people. Is that not "family " also, whats the point of saying something behind closed doors if it is not going to be heard? What "family business " do we have that has not been used by crackas?
I'm saying this should have been a discussion among black leaders and influencers. Not an open forum where people can point to and say "look at all the dysfunction among black people. They have their own people calling them out." A unified front is imperative in a liberation struggle. These conversations aren't for all ears. Believe it or not black people can do great things behind closed doors.
  • There has never been anyone without flaws. We have become a society that likes to kill the message due to a flawed messenger. MLK had sex orgies and cheated on his wife numerous times. Should we disregard everything he has done and said? Malcolm X was a thief, numbers runners, and rumored gay export ( I don't believe this one tho) Should we disregard everything he has done and said?
Its not about imperfection. Its about hypocrisy. Malcolm fully owned his past crimes and paid for them. Martin's sins were not illegal and his message was never about sexual morality. I've no problem with a man that owns his crimes and has paid his debt to society and what does what another man does with his dick have to do justice and freedom? Cosby was pontificating and condescending in a time when his own sexual immorality was deemed a criminal act. That's hypocrisy and there's a difference.

And I wouldn't need a clown like Donald Trump to tell me a house is on fire. I could see that for myself.
 
Wow...

We have people here who don't know the difference between a fact and a fucking racially hateful bald ass lie.

There was never a 50% drop out rate for Black people in the US.

He LIED.

teen pregnancy, crime in Black neighborhoods were down to historic lows when he made that speech.

He LIED.

Brown vs the board of education was not a deal that "THEY" GAVE US. "THEY" lost in court and left those schools for the suburbs then underfunded the school system, leaving us in the same condition, separate and unequal.

He LIED.

Nobody got killed over pound cake. He referenced a crime that DID NOT HAPPEN.

He LIED.

the fuck is wrong with yall who thinks he said nothing wrong when EVERYTHING he said was FALSE?

:hmm:
 
People are talking about hypocrisy like that negates the truth. By that logic:

A person with HIV/ AIDS cant talk about safe sex.

A person in prison can't talk to kids about staying out of jail.

If a person is on drugs and they are telling you to go school, I guess we shouldn't listen and not go to school. Or on the other hand, the neighborhood drug dealer who is decimating the community, he can't tell kids to stay in school and stay off drugs? Or the neighborhood OG who has put in work and still calls shots, he can't tell kids or others to do better?

Most of us who are parents couldn't parent because unless we have lived or are living a perfect life, we can not tell our kids anything. Alot of us have done dirt and some are still doing dirt, that doesnt mean we automatically lose our ability to direct individuals to do the right thing. Truth is truth.

Malcolm X pointed out that systemic racism has caused alot of the problems in our community and we have heard numerous others say this as well. However, Malcolm also said that the burden is on the black community to do better which includes motivating our youth to do the right things and take education seriously. He also stated without education, it will be almost impossible to succeed.

One last point, have you notice that since 2004, when the pound cake speech was delivered, noone else of great stature has said anything remotely close to what Cosby has said. We have made it dangerous for anyone to criticize anything about us without fear of reprisal.
 
let me break this shit down so this question wont ever have to be asked again.

Everything he said in that speech was factually inaccurate or an out and out lie.

the people he spoke about do not exist.

he referenced racial stereotypes about his own people.

the events he spoke about never happened.

all of it was made up, including the stats. we have NEVER had 50% drop out rates.

he spoke about morality in the Black community while his ass was on a 50 year finger banging the pussy tour.


and its hilarious that he said we cant blame white folks when white folks illegally jammed him all the way up.

i KNOW he regrets that shit now.

Never ever felt comfortable wit this fella...when I was 5..I said this guy is a piece of shit...and now at fawty...I still say it..brah
 
People are talking about hypocrisy like that negates the truth. By that logic:

A person with HIV/ AIDS cant talk about safe sex.

A person in prison can't talk to kids about staying out of jail.

If a person is on drugs and they are telling you to go school, I guess we shouldn't listen and not go to school. Or on the other hand, the neighborhood drug dealer who is decimating the community, he can't tell kids to stay in school and stay off drugs? Or the neighborhood OG who has put in work and still calls shots, he can't tell kids or others to do better?

Most of us who are parents couldn't parent because unless we have lived or are living a perfect life, we can not tell our kids anything. Alot of us have done dirt and some are still doing dirt, that doesnt mean we automatically lose our ability to direct individuals to do the right thing. Truth is truth.

Malcolm X pointed out that systemic racism has caused alot of the problems in our community and we have heard numerous others say this as well. However, Malcolm also said that the burden is on the black community to do better which includes motivating our youth to do the right things and take education seriously. He also stated without education, it will be almost impossible to succeed.

One last point, have you notice that since 2004, when the pound cake speech was delivered, noone else of great stature has said anything remotely close to what Cosby has said. We have made it dangerous for anyone to criticize anything about us without fear of reprisal.

Anybody swanging they DO RITE lyrics..by KillaMayne..best Practice what they preach...brah
 
OP, Bill would prolly prefer you to raise awareness on his appeal from prison than debate his respectability politics from 15 years ago. I think he cares more about getting out of jail then the defense of old speeches. :lol:

Today, Bill Cosby and wife Camille deem his trial and conviction racially motivated. Do you agree OP?
 
OP, Bill would prolly prefer you to raise awareness on his appeal from prison than debate his respectability politics from 15 years ago. I think he cares more about getting out of jail then the defense of old speeches. :lol:

Today, Bill Cosby and wife Camille deem his trial and conviction racially motivated. Do you agree OP?
I think it would be a disgrace to his legacy to only focus on his current legal issue.

Do I think it was racially motivated? Partially. I can not and will not condone having sex with another while impaired. I feel the same about alcohol, weed, Molly, etc. However, I will always stand up for a brother or sister who has been a victim of discriminatory practices and abuse under the law. We have thousands of black men over the years who were actually committing crimes and were guilty of crimes that were killed by police. Their guilt or criminal actions does not negate the fact that they were victims of an unjust criminal system and were murdered by corrupt police.

Everyone knows how he was done was messed up. Everyone knows that "some" of the witnesses were less than credible and even admitted to lying. The chick even told her friend that she was going to milk this situation and set herself up for life.
 
It was obvious he was being a comedian and being facetious with a message at the same time.

People had a problem with his tone. That's why it's known as the pound cake speech.

There was a lot of truth in what he said. People had a problem with him saying it out loud.
 
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