If they go all in on the 80s villain tag team vibe they will be good. Maybe a classic manager should join them. NWA makes more sense for that though.
AEW is trying to bring back managers. The Revival are a really good classic style heel " get their shit in" team. Thier matches in NXT were 5*. With the main roster all teams are misused. Would be nice to see them do a short 2 month NWA run and a match with the Rock N Roll Express. Then they can head to AEW and debut at ALL In anniversary.
 
That's what I was gonna say. Honestly, I didn't think their run in WWE was terrible. I don't think much of them to begin with. I guess at the very least it should be a lateral move for them going to AEW. They aren't people I'd put under the list of people misused. They just are what they are.
While I appreciate that they are great workers, that's not enough without big personalities.
The AEW fans may be more appreciative of their work, but will they ever draw any big money?

Expect more releases from WWE. This is the post Wrestlemania period where cuts are usually made anyway.
All the money lost from this COVID-19 situation will only result in more cuts.
 
Welp.....

AAF > XFL

At least AAF made it to 8 weeks of play.

Lolz
Can't look at it that way.
The XFL product was better than AAF and I believe they would have at least had a second season if not for this virus situation.
Vince just can't catch a break with this XFL.
 
Can't look at it that way.
The XFL product was better than AAF and I believe they would have at least had a second season if not for this virus situation.
Vince just can't catch a break with this XFL.
When XFL was announced, it was mentioned Vince took out enough equity to run it for at least three years.

I actually liked AAF's product better. Couldn't get into XFL games.
 
While I appreciate that they are great workers, that's not enough without big personalities.
The AEW fans may be more appreciative of their work, but will they ever draw any big money?

Expect more releases from WWE. This is the post Wrestlemania period where cuts are usually made anyway.
All the money lost from this COVID-19 situation will only result in more cuts.
I wonder how high up they go to release.....

I'm assuming XFL took a hit somewhat having to cancel their season early.....WWE probably will feel that impact too with no live audiences.
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if we see some semi "big" names getting let go such as Nakamura, Rusev, or Cesaro.
This my ignorance talking but don't they have some out of country appeal? I know they are probably some of the higher paid guys as opposed to like someone like Zack Ryder so I could see that too.

Hard say they will be missed becauseWWE ain't really doing nothing with them anyway.

Y'all think Fin Balor safe?

Isn't AEW taking a hit too now?You think they got some money to snag up some of these releases?
 
I wonder how high up they go to release.....

I'm assuming XFL took a hit somewhat having to cancel their season early.....WWE probably will feel that impact too with no live audiences.

This my ignorance talking but don't they have some out of country appeal? I know they are probably some of the higher paid guys as opposed to like someone like Zack Ryder so I could see that too.

Hard say they will be missed becauseWWE ain't really doing nothing with them anyway.

Y'all think Fin Balor safe?

Isn't AEW taking a hit too now?You think they got some money to snag up some of these releases?

AEW has to be taking a hit too, but their business model is not as heavily dependent on live events like the WWE's business model.
AEW only has the Wednesday night live show and Tony Kahn has stated he was prepared to take a loss in the first year anyway.
WWE runs 3-4 live events a week.
Tony Kahn shouldn't be so quick to sign every WWE release if they want to stay in business for the long run.
Not every guy released from WWE was misused. For example, I question the Brodie Lee signing.
Even the Matt Hardy signing seems a bit questionable right now.
 
That's what I was gonna say. Honestly, I didn't think their run in WWE was terrible. I don't think much of them to begin with. I guess at the very least it should be a lateral move for them going to AEW. They aren't people I'd put under the list of people misused. They just are what they are.


you gotta remeber how great they were on NXT and the caliber of matches they put on there
i believe they were in the match of the year 2016

but as tag team, A REAL Tag Team, (not a team like the Street Profits or Heavy Machinery where one team member signficantly out shines the other) they floundered on the main roster where tag team wrestling are almost a complete after thought...

look at the haphazard booking of the Raw Tag Teams at Wrestlemania (dont blame on it COVID, because those belts have been misused for quite sometime). Why did the street profits wrestle Vegas' boys? because there isnt a legit tag team on Raw. Look at the woman tag team. I think its been defended less than 10 times since its inception

what tag team has found long-term success after being called up?
the revival good or bad want to go somewhere tag team wrestling matters. that aint the wwe.
 
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AEW has to be taking a hit too, but their business model is not as heavily dependent on live events like the WWE's business model.
AEW only has the Wednesday night live show and Tony Kahn has stated he was prepared to take a loss in the first year anyway.
WWE runs 3-4 live events a week.
Tony Kahn shouldn't be so quick to sign every WWE release if they want to stay in business for the long run.
Not every guy released from WWE was misused. For example, I question the Brodie Lee signing.
Even the Matt Hardy signing seems a bit questionable right now.
Yeah I’m not sure how this AEW shit ends but they are throwing money around to guys I consider mid carders at best.
 
you gotta remeber how great they were on NXT and the caliber of matches they put on there
i believe they were in the match of the year 2016

but as tag team, A REAL Tag Team, (not a team like the Street Profits or Heavy Machinery where one team member signficantly out shines the other) they floundered on the main roster where tag team wrestling are almost a complete after thought...

look at the haphazard booking of the Raw Tag Teams at Wrestlemania (dont blame on it COVID, because those belts have been misused for quite sometime). Why did the street profits wrestle Vegas' boys? because there isnt a legit tag team on Raw. Look at the woman tag team. I think its been defended less than 10 times since its inception

what tag team has found long-term success after being called up?
the revival good or bad want to go somewhere tag team wrestling matters. that aint the wwe.
I don’t know man.....I just think they were boring. Street Profits aren’t. New Day isn’t. I think WWE had nothing for them. They came across as a team that you’d catch on one of WWE c level shows. Wouldn’t shock me if they end up on Impact.
 
I don’t know man.....I just think they were boring. Street Profits aren’t. New Day isn’t. I think WWE had nothing for them. They came across as a team that you’d catch on one of WWE c level shows. Wouldn’t shock me if they end up on Impact.

are you an NXT fan in general? or tag team fan
i ask because i think over the years the WWE has trained fans to not appreciate traditional tag team wrestling and focus on personality (something admittedly the Revival dont have much of). But that was their whole schitck. Old school tag team wrestling...its their name...The Revival. No flips just Fists
 
AEW has to be taking a hit too, but their business model is not as heavily dependent on live events like the WWE's business model.
AEW only has the Wednesday night live show and Tony Kahn has stated he was prepared to take a loss in the first year anyway.
WWE runs 3-4 live events a week.
Tony Kahn shouldn't be so quick to sign every WWE release if they want to stay in business for the long run.
Not every guy released from WWE was misused. For example, I question the Brodie Lee signing.
Even the Matt Hardy signing seems a bit questionable right now.
I think AEW eventually ends up like WCW did.

WWE has a foundation, a name and are a known brand.

Impact, has a history and is run by wrestling people.

AEW, although backed by a billionaire investor, is still new to the scene and is more invested at trying to sign all of WWE cast offs and throw shots at WWE, instead of making a name for themselves, and outside of Cody, is being run by independent wrestlers who do not know promotion nor television.

The Brodie Lee/Vince McMahon Dark Order parody is just NOT working. That stuff just sucks.

Matt Hardy's Broken Universe stuff has peaked and perhaps there is a good reason WWE didn't let him go all in on the character because that shit between Jericho and the drone from few weeks ago was ass cheeks.

Many in the Internet Wrestling Community see no wrong with AEW but they will be struggling to gain average viewers/wrestling fans.

WWE is a known brand. They are to Pro Wrestling the same way UFC is to MMA or Kleenex is to tissue paper.

If shit doesn't change and the landscape stays the same, AEW will have it's legs cut tremendously.

WWE will survive, but AEW, not sure they will be here for the long run. The newness and honeymoon seems to be over with them.
 
are you an NXT fan in general? or tag team fan
i ask because i think over the years the WWE has trained fans to not appreciate traditional tag team wrestling and focus on personality (something admittedly the Revival dont have much of). But that was their whole schitck. Old school tag team wrestling...its their name...The Revival. No flips just Fists
No I get it. There was nothing wrong with them. Ask yourself this......what tag teams should they have been a priority over that's in the title picture right now? I understand the gimmick was to bring back old school tag team wrestling. But to me a better representation of that is what the Club or the OG's(whatever they call themselves) does. There's a way to do this.
 
I think AEW eventually ends up like WCW did.

WWE has a foundation, a name and are a known brand.

Impact, has a history and is run by wrestling people.

AEW, although backed by a billionaire investor, is still new to the scene and is more invested at trying to sign all of WWE cast offs and throw shots at WWE, instead of making a name for themselves, and outside of Cody, is being run by independent wrestlers who do not know promotion nor television.

The Brodie Lee/Vince McMahon Dark Order parody is just NOT working. That stuff just sucks.

Matt Hardy's Broken Universe stuff has peaked and perhaps there is a good reason WWE didn't let him go all in on the character because that shit between Jericho and the drone from few weeks ago was ass cheeks.

Many in the Internet Wrestling Community see no wrong with AEW but they will be struggling to gain average viewers/wrestling fans.

WWE is a known brand. They are to Pro Wrestling the same way UFC is to MMA or Kleenex is to tissue paper.

If shit doesn't change and the landscape stays the same, AEW will have it's legs cut tremendously.

WWE will survive, but AEW, not sure they will be here for the long run. The newness and honeymoon seems to be over with them.
I think right now its not about competing with WWE or even NXT. ITs about being a alternative. I think AEW from everything I've seen is doing a good job of that. If I could give them a advice I think I'd tell them don't get caught up in picking up every WWE wrestler they get rid of.

ITs easy to fall into that same trap that WCW did.

If AEW could snag a Paul Heyman....that shit would do wonders for their brand. That promotion does come across as a place where the inmates are running the asylum. For WWE's faults......no one will question the people they have behind the scenes running it.
 
I think AEW eventually ends up like WCW did.

WWE has a foundation, a name and are a known brand.

Impact, has a history and is run by wrestling people.

AEW, although backed by a billionaire investor, is still new to the scene and is more invested at trying to sign all of WWE cast offs and throw shots at WWE, instead of making a name for themselves, and outside of Cody, is being run by independent wrestlers who do not know promotion nor television.

The Brodie Lee/Vince McMahon Dark Order parody is just NOT working. That stuff just sucks.

Matt Hardy's Broken Universe stuff has peaked and perhaps there is a good reason WWE didn't let him go all in on the character because that shit between Jericho and the drone from few weeks ago was ass cheeks.

Many in the Internet Wrestling Community see no wrong with AEW but they will be struggling to gain average viewers/wrestling fans.

WWE is a known brand. They are to Pro Wrestling the same way UFC is to MMA or Kleenex is to tissue paper.

If shit doesn't change and the landscape stays the same, AEW will have it's legs cut tremendously.

WWE will survive, but AEW, not sure they will be here for the long run. The newness and honeymoon seems to be over with them.

Have you ever tried Boogey Wipes? Or Cottonelle toilet wipes? I ask this just cause of the analogies that you used. While Kleenex is synonymous with tissue. That doesn't mean it is the best. I bought Boogey Wipes for one of my babies when they were infants, just happened to run out of Kleenex and decided to use their shyt. I refuse to use ANYTHING else!!! This whole pandemic hit and toilet paper was flying off the shelves I could have cared less cause that shyt feels like sand paper on my ass since I switched to toilet wipes. And i won't even get into the freedom I have found using the bathrooms at work with the personal single wipes I carry with me!

I give this in depth peek into my personal grooming habits just cause it is the known brand, doesn't mean it is the best. WWE has shytted on black performers since FOREVER. I mean Vince just came out with a Blacked program for Bobby Lashley, Brock beating both Kofi and Ricochet in less time it takes him to get to the ring, but Seth (beat him twice) and Daniel Bryan are putting on high level matches.

Broken Matt Hardy if you think that peaked then you must think the Undertaker has jumped Moby Dick! Between that Boneyard match and his Goldberg match is just not entertaining. I like the gimmick Hardy uses, it is straight silly nothing more.

I see plenty wrong with AEW (not keeping the belt on Jericho longer, , but until they start coming out with black wrestlers talking jive and losing EVERY match they're in

How did you get Dark Order to Vince MchMahon?
 
I wonder how high up they go to release.....

I'm assuming XFL took a hit somewhat having to cancel their season early.....WWE probably will feel that impact too with no live audiences.

This my ignorance talking but don't they have some out of country appeal? I know they are probably some of the higher paid guys as opposed to like someone like Zack Ryder so I could see that too.

Hard say they will be missed becauseWWE ain't really doing nothing with them anyway.

Y'all think Fin Balor safe?

Isn't AEW taking a hit too now?You think they got some money to snag up some of these releases?

I think Finn is safe, there is always NXT UK as well. Those lower tiered guys are on the chopping block. Your Shelton Benjamin's, Chad Gable, Zach Ryder, etc...

Vince isn't gonna let Nak and Cesaro go because AEW would sign them. Hell Nak can go back to Japan and have an even better career. Paid far less, but finish out his days where he "started".
 
Have you ever tried Boogey Wipes? Or Cottonelle toilet wipes? I ask this just cause of the analogies that you used. While Kleenex is synonymous with tissue. That doesn't mean it is the best. I bought Boogey Wipes for one of my babies when they were infants, just happened to run out of Kleenex and decided to use their shyt. I refuse to use ANYTHING else!!! This whole pandemic hit and toilet paper was flying off the shelves I could have cared less cause that shyt feels like sand paper on my ass since I switched to toilet wipes. And i won't even get into the freedom I have found using the bathrooms at work with the personal single wipes I carry with me!

I give this in depth peek into my personal grooming habits just cause it is the known brand, doesn't mean it is the best. WWE has shytted on black performers since FOREVER. I mean Vince just came out with a Blacked program for Bobby Lashley, Brock beating both Kofi and Ricochet in less time it takes him to get to the ring, but Seth (beat him twice) and Daniel Bryan are putting on high level matches.

Broken Matt Hardy if you think that peaked then you must think the Undertaker has jumped Moby Dick! Between that Boneyard match and his Goldberg match is just not entertaining. I like the gimmick Hardy uses, it is straight silly nothing more.

I see plenty wrong with AEW (not keeping the belt on Jericho longer, , but until they start coming out with black wrestlers talking jive and losing EVERY match they're in

How did you get Dark Order to Vince MchMahon?
I never said WWE was the best, just said they can do dumb shit and still survive.

WWE is beyond just Wrestling so they have more invested. They are a wrestling company, promotion and production entertainment company all in one.

AEW doesn't have that luxury. They are trying to build a wrestling company and are making some of the same dumb moves WB/DC did trying the play catch up to Marvel/Disney.

Give AEW time. All wrestling is tied to its carney roots, and before you know it they will be doing WWE level dumb shit too.

As far as the Brodie Lee/McMahon parody, it's well known that Brodie Lee's promos are parodying known McMahon idiosyncrasies, such as his hatred of sneezing, eating first, the ultra Male BS that many in the business have shared about their interactions with Vince McMahon.

Look up the Brodie Lee character promos for the deeper meaning.

I want to like AEW but they are trying doing too much dumb shit trying to mimic WWE in their nonsense.

When AEW first was announced, it was said they were going to focus on serious sports related wrestling.

That didnt last long.

Instead of trying to make their own name, AEW, from their premiere show back at Double or Nothing, has trolled WWE instead of trying to make a name for themselves.

WWE, through their history and their network has provided a lot of entertainment for me and others and AEW is still too young to try to compete directly with them.

Their different documentary series alone is worth admission.

As far as AEW, I wish them well, but they need to make their own identity instead of relying on WWE cast offs and WWE like stories that WWE writers would be ashamed of.
 
I never said WWE was the best, just said they can do dumb shit and still survive.

WWE is beyond just Wrestling so they have more invested. They are a wrestling company, promotion and production entertainment company all in one.

AEW doesn't have that luxury. They are trying to build a wrestling company and are making some of the same dumb moves WB/DC did trying the play catch up to Marvel/Disney.

Give AEW time. All wrestling is tied to its carney roots, and before you know it they will be doing WWE level dumb shit too.

As far as the Brodie Lee/McMahon parody, it's well known that Brodie Lee's promos are parodying known McMahon idiosyncrasies, such as his hatred of sneezing, eating first, the ultra Male BS that many in the business have shared about their interactions with Vince McMahon.

Look up the Brodie Lee character promos for the deeper meaning.

I want to like AEW but they are trying doing too much dumb shit trying to mimic WWE in their nonsense.

When AEW first was announced, it was said they were going to focus on serious sports related wrestling.

That didnt last long.

Instead of trying to make their own name, AEW, from their premiere show back at Double or Nothing, has trolled WWE instead of trying to make a name for themselves.

WWE, through their history and their network has provided a lot of entertainment for me and others and AEW is still too young to try to compete directly with them.

Their different documentary series alone is worth admission.

As far as AEW, I wish them well, but they need to make their own identity instead of relying on WWE cast offs and WWE like stories that WWE writers would be ashamed of.

I agree with you, I just don't like how you said that shyt! ;)

Was not aware of Brodie parodying Vince. The whole Dark Order thing REALLY painted them into a corner, unfortunately they had done so much that they couldn't pull out like the Nightmare Collective. But you gotta admit, they do listen to the fans! As abrupt as it was the next week Brandi is back to just being Cody's wife. Vince would have ran that into the ground with him getting blown up in his limo. But you are correct in stories that WWE writers would be ashamed of. Hopefully they'll have a Brodie Lee vs Christopher Daniels match where if Daniels wins the Dark Order has to disband and that can put an end to that storyline.

I think they do focus on the serious sports related wrestling. If you look at the Bastard Pac he was not given the type of matches he puts on in AEW. The Drama that is just the nature of the beast in professional wrestling you can't get away from it.

And WWE documentaries give me a break homie! Until they're willing to put on a Dark Side of the Ring type documentary of their employees and company, I'll save my money. HEAVILY edited and produced to make the company look like a saint. Those series are about as big a joke as JBL being the spokesperson for an Anti-Bullying campaign.

For all of its flaws AEW has made watching wrestling enjoyable for me. I love Orange Cassidy, the program that AEW had with Hangman was going well (although the diet version of the Scott Hall WCW program from early 2000's) I am just can't shyt on them while you have cats like Scorpio Sky, Private Party hell even Sonny Kiss aren't put into what some Jewish guy thinks black is.
 
I agree with you, I just don't like how you said that shyt! ;)

Was not aware of Brodie parodying Vince. The whole Dark Order thing REALLY painted them into a corner, unfortunately they had done so much that they couldn't pull out like the Nightmare Collective. But you gotta admit, they do listen to the fans! As abrupt as it was the next week Brandi is back to just being Cody's wife. Vince would have ran that into the ground with him getting blown up in his limo. But you are correct in stories that WWE writers would be ashamed of. Hopefully they'll have a Brodie Lee vs Christopher Daniels match where if Daniels wins the Dark Order has to disband and that can put an end to that storyline.

I think they do focus on the serious sports related wrestling. If you look at the Bastard Pac he was not given the type of matches he puts on in AEW. The Drama that is just the nature of the beast in professional wrestling you can't get away from it.

And WWE documentaries give me a break homie! Until they're willing to put on a Dark Side of the Ring type documentary of their employees and company, I'll save my money. HEAVILY edited and produced to make the company look like a saint. Those series are about as big a joke as JBL being the spokesperson for an Anti-Bullying campaign.

For all of its flaws AEW has made watching wrestling enjoyable for me. I love Orange Cassidy, the program that AEW had with Hangman was going well (although the diet version of the Scott Hall WCW program from early 2000's) I am just can't shyt on them while you have cats like Scorpio Sky, Private Party hell even Sonny Kiss aren't put into what some Jewish guy thinks black is.
WWE won the wrestling war. The winner will always write the history.

Everything is heavily edited.

We can agree to disagree, and I guess we do on this, however I enjoy their documentaries series, even though they are absolutely skewed to show WWE in positive light.

Thing is, Dark Side of the Ring, which I absolutely love, is also geared and edited to show wrestling (and WWE) in a negative light too.

You can't complain about a company A heavily editing their programing while giving another production company (B) the pass when their whole purpose is to produce content showing company A negatively.

Why would WWE show their company negatively? I take their programing and documentaries for what they are, and to me, they are entertaining.

Whether it was the Monday Night Wars, WWE 24 Specials, older documentaries on Macho Man, Ricky Steamboat, etc... their documentaries are done very well. You can say you're not a fan, you cannot say they are not well produced.

I enjoyed the Ruthless Aggression series and the recent Edge 24 Special was great. I'm looking forward to the Undertaker Last Ride joint. That looks great.

As far as your points on AEW. The Dork Order, give me a break. The group was a whack knockoff of the Undertaker's Ministry before Brodie Lee, and it's even worse now that he premiered as their "Exalted One"... (It was me all along!!)

Orange Cassidy? Yeah, no. I just cannot get into him. The gimmick does nothing for me no matter how hard JR, Excalibur, Schiavone or Taz try to sell him on the audience.

AEW absolutely treats Black Wrestlers better. No argument from me on that one. They are still very young in their infancy, let's see how long it takes for them to put a title on a Black wrestler.

Also, AEW has too many damned factions. Like, seriously, Dork Order, The Elite, Inner Circle, SoCal Uncensored, Nightmare Family, Jurassic Express, The Death Triangle, etc...Goddamn, how many stables do you need?

AEW has talented wrestlers, but they are doing what WCW did when they kept signing WWF talent. Hager, Jericho (that was a given though), Moxley, Hardy, Brodie Lee, now soon to be Revival and whomever else WWE cuts.

It worked for WCW because they had legit stars in Hogan, Savage, Hall & Nash.

I cannot compare any of AEW's recent WWE castoff signings as being in the same league as what WCW did in the early/mid 90s though.

We'll see, but I really feel, like I mentioned above, AEW needs to focus less on taking shots at WWE and building their brand of wrestling and building their own stars.

Honestly, nothing is stopping them from having their own Performance Center in Jacksonville. They should be signing as much Indy talent as possible.

Build from within by grooming new talent. Hell, their women's division could sure use it because it's horrible.
 
i honestly think ronda has some issues
she cant handle any negativity or criticism

she completely turtled up following her Ls in the UFC
she had a shitty interview with Golic & Wingo when they asked her about going back to the UFC eventually
and now she shiting on WWE fans cause they want her back???

what made her great in both the UFC and WWE is proably what makes her sensitive when it comes to failure, criticism or pressure
I give her credit cause she really helped elevate women's wrestling (Becky has been lost without her outside of her Sasha match). But i dont miss her outside of maybe never getting the NXT 4 Horsewomen vs 4 MMA Horsewomen match i was hoping to see one day
 
I think Ronda (and the rest) is working the fans.

The way WWE talent is reacting on Twitter is just adding to it.

Look for her to make a surprise reappearance at SummerSlam as an uber heel.
 
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