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You know this whole ADOS movement seeds started with Obama re-election. Some black people were questioning about Obama about it’s been 4 years and he has not done nothing for black folks. But everybody was like it takes time. Just vote and re-elect Obama.

When it was the Hilary election that’s when I notice it really took off. This whole we just going to vote and get nothing started to wake up a lot of black people.

The height of Russian propaganda spreading on social media. Real grievances and valid anger being redirected to poor solutions for the purpose of sowing discord in the US.

There are legitimate issues that need to be addressed, but giving up what little power we have by not voting is not the answer. Withdrawing from the process that determines how our lives are governed is not the answer.

Whether you participate in the process or not, laws that are passed affect us for good or ill. If you participate, you can choose representatives who will vote, in most cases, they way you would choose to. Or who support issues that matter to you such as healthcare, gun control, climate change etc.

You don't want to vote, think both parties are the same, voting changes nothing, but are hip deep in every political thread posted on here. You haven't simply decided to withdraw because you don't think it matters, you are actively trying to discourage others from participating.

Why do you care if someone else is willing to spend a day or two out the year exercising their civic options? I comment on people not participating because i see value in the process. I think it's important and that our voice is diminished if we aren't active. You don't see value, you say whether we vote or not it's all the same, so why are you fighting so hard to make sure this sameness manifests under black voters sitting out? There has to be some benefit or payoff for this. You're investing too much time in asking us to be silent. IMO, you lose the right to bitch and complain when you aren't in the mix. Don't complain about Trump, the GOP, dems or anyone else if you aren't voting for or against a person, policy etc.
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The height of Russian propaganda spreading on social media. Real grievances and valid anger being redirected to poor solutions for the purpose of sowing discord in the US.

There are legitimate issues that need to be addressed, but giving up what little power we have by not voting is not the answer. Withdrawing from the process that determines how our lives are governed is not the answer.

Whether you participate in the process or not, laws that are passed affect us for good or ill. If you participate, you can choose representatives who will vote, in most cases, they way you would choose to. Or who support issues that matter to you such as healthcare, gun control, climate change etc.

You don't want to vote, think both parties are the same, voting changes nothing, but are hip deep in every political thread posted on here. You haven't simply decided to withdraw because you don't think it matters, you are actively trying to discourage others from participating.

Why do you care if someone else is willing to spend a day or two out the year exercising their civic options? I comment on people not participating because i see value in the process. I think it's important and that our voice is diminished if we aren't active. You don't see value, you say whether we vote or not it's all the same, so why are you fighting so hard to make sure this sameness manifests under black voters sitting out? There has to be some benefit or payoff for this. You're investing too much time in asking us to be silent. IMO, you lose the right to bitch and complain when you aren't in the mix. Don't complain about Trump, the GOP, dems or anyone else if you aren't voting for or against a person, policy etc.
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I'm waiting @forcesteeler to give me a yes or no answer to my question.

We've already come up with the smartest and most realistic strategy in this thread, he's just refusing to acknowledge it and let the issue be settled.

How in the hell does this dude think he's going to get millions of black people to not vote against Trump? That's crazy wishful thinking. It's the most path of resistance.

Maximizing the black vote is far easier than minimizing it at this stage. Pour it on thick by starting campaigns in the black community emphasizing the importance of group economics & local politics, rather than being obsessed with national politics.

Mitch McConnell said we aren't getting reparations because they gave us a black president.
 
I'm waiting @forcesteeler to give me a yes or no answer to my question.

We've already come up with the smartest and most realistic strategy in this thread, he's just refusing to acknowledge it and let the issue be settled.

How in the hell does this dude think he's going to get millions of black people to not vote against Trump? That's crazy wishful thinking. It's the most path of resistance.

Maximizing the black vote is far easier than minimizing it at this stage. Pour it on thick by starting campaigns in the black community emphasizing the importance of group economics & local politics, rather than being obsessed with national politics.

Mitch McConnell said we aren't getting reparations because they gave us a black president.

There is a time and place for strategy, but Donald Trump is too big a danger to protest vote or sit out. You'd think the sheer number of heathens we have who complain about white mans religion, would vote if for no other reason than to have a party who understands church and state are separate and keeping religious zealots out the WH. Trump isn't a zealot, but they support him and are the reason he is in office.

Even when your protest vote tho, there needs to be strategy. You vote for the opponent or do a coordinated write in protest in large enough numbers that it gets noticed. I detailed that in the post I quoted below.

Thank you!!!

It seems like a lot of folks don't know how things work. Voting, lobbying and contributions are the forms of political currency that politicians understand. Just like in regular life, you can't obtain anything or get a return unless you spend or invest said currency.

These folks don't want to vote or have anyone else vote, don't want to lobby anyone but democrats, half-assed at that, and don't want to contribute to candidates or form a superpac to put pressure on folks, yet expect magically get their agenda passed.

All the other groups they talk about getting "tangibles" have lobbyists that keep their issue in the face of elected officials, give money to people who support their agenda, and are very well organized to deliver or withhold votes to sway elections. They will vote for you or against you, but they rarely sit it out.

It wouldn't be so bad, but the tea party gave us the blue print. They sort of started out organically, but they weren't true grassroots, they were astroturfed. They had dark money being funneled to them via Americans for Prosperity and other groups buying them nice tour busses and allowing them to travel and keep discontent going.

When they realized the GOP was just using them to harness their energy to keep opposition to Obama in the headlines, and wasn't really trying to overturn roe vs wade, they showed the eff out. They had been legitimized by the GOP, who winked at their racism, saying they didn't agree with it but oh free speech. They started primarying establishment GOP with true believers, won the seats, and Congress had to kiss their asses for several years and there are still a few left causing problems to this day.

What they DIDN'T do, is sit out. If their candidate lost they still voted GOP because stopping Obama and the democrat agenda was still more important when it came down to a Republican and a dem.

Not showing up does nothing but reinforce the belief that black folks don't participate, aren't engaged, and can't be relied upon.

We have self described non voters suddenly going around here proclaiming they are going to not vote and encouraging others not to vote. It's like folks who proclaim they are boycotting Starbucks, or the most recent offender to black folks, when we don't patronize them in the first place. Your absence can't be noted if you've never shown up in the first place. You can't affect someone's bottom line or effect an outcome by non participation when you weren't participating to begin with.

I'm not against protest or third party voting, it can be very effective if used properly. I didn't advocate for it in 2016 because it was clear to me that Trump was a serious danger, and I don't advocate 3rd party voting now for the same reason. We don't just need our Presidential candidate to win, we need clear majorities in both houses for more than one year, or even one term, to roll back Trumps fuckery and move forward on a progressive agenda.

These are not normal times and it is far too important to get rid of Trump along with Stephen Miller, who is a clear threat to black folks and other PoC. However, I would have a lot more respect for ADOS if they were organizing folks to show up and write in the same name, something like "Reparations Candidate". Names that garner at least 1% of the vote are usually listed on tv by name. Seeing that you are showing up but spending your money elsewhere, gets attention and causes you to be courted to see how they can gain your business. Even picking a GOP or Dem candidate to support and then pulling support because they didn't do XYZ and causing them to lose next cycle will get attention and your vote courted.

All this "we aren't going to do anything but demand what we want" is nonsense. Other groups demand also but they exercise their power to make or break a candidate. Ados, or at least the ones acting as a mouth piece for the movement, aren't serious. All they are doing is sowing discontent and dividing black folks. They have no plan to actually achieve their goal. I've seen no effective strategy at all. Or at least they haven't been able to articulate one. All they seem to want to do is be seen running the Oppression Olympics, telling everyone how shitty black folks have been and still are being treated in comparison to everyone else. Even if we win that race, we still lose.
 
You know this whole ADOS movement seeds started with Obama re-election. Some black people were questioning about Obama about it’s been 4 years and he has not done nothing for black folks. But everybody was like it takes time. Just vote and re-elect Obama.

When it was the Hilary election that’s when I notice it really took off. This whole we just going to vote and get nothing started to wake up a lot of black people.

Fuck all that shit. My ancestors didn't sacrifice their lives for muthafuckas like you to get on here with that "don't vote" bullshit. Just make sure your ass is in line at the polls come election day or early voting.
 
Fuck all that shit. My ancestors didn't sacrifice their lives for muthafuckas like you to get on here with that "don't vote" bullshit. Just make sure your ass is in line at the polls come election day or early voting.

If I recall correctly, prior to ADOS he was one saying not to vote, that voting doesn't matter. Now he is advocating "withholding" the vote, but this translates onto US not voting because HE wasn't voting in the first place to be able to withhold anything.
 
If I recall correctly, prior to ADOS he was one saying not to vote, that voting doesn't matter. Now he is advocating "withholding" the vote, but this translates onto US not voting because HE wasn't voting in the first place to be able to withhold anything.
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Bankole: Are Democrats ceding Michigan to Trump?
Bankole ThompsonPublished 10:54 p.m. ET Dec. 18, 2019


President Donald Trump knows he needs Michigan. Winning here would be a major boost in his quest for a second term in 2020. Even as the odds are stacked against him, Trump could still pull another stunning upset in this battleground state much like he did in 2016. It is not beyond the realm of possibility that this state could remain red in the next presidential election.

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Michigan resident Rob Cortis, owner of the Trump Unity Bridge trailer (Photo: Max Ortiz, The Detroit News)

On the other hand, the take-no-risk Democrats behave as if Michigan is already a foregone conclusion -- an easy win. Democrats who view Trump’s election as a big mistake the nation won’t stomach a second time don't think Michigan needs much convincing to abandon the president. As a result of this conventional and out of touch way of thinking, little has been done to swing the state. The Democratic presidential candidates so far have done a poor job of articulating a compelling economic vision that matters to this nation’s forgotten communities.

For example, while Trump was in the state this week demonstrating yet again that the road to the White House for him runs through Michigan, none of the so-called leading Democratic contenders visited the state to counter the president’s antics and offer a different vision from what he shared at his Christmas rally.

On the same day the president was politically serenading his supporters, Attorney General William Barr visited Detroit to launch an anti-violent crime measure, an indication of where the city sits on the national crime index and a vexing reminder of the crisis of urban poverty.

More: AG William Barr: Crime-reduction operation launches in Detroit

The irony is that the candidates seeking the Democratic nomination have not adequately addressed an urban agenda which will resonate in places like Detroit, Flint, Benton Harbor, Pontiac and other urban centers. Any prospective Democratic nominee hoping to win Michigan must understand that the issues in the urban core of the state must be dealt with head on and not treated as an afterthought.
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The Democratic debate held in Detroit in July failed to capture some of the grueling issues of inequality facing urban voters and the rest of the state. (Photo: AP images)

The Democratic debate held in Detroit in July failed to capture some of the grueling issues of inequality facing urban voters and the rest of the state. The debate presented an opportunity for Democrats to speak to black America, a significant voting bloc, but the candidates virtually failed. Detroit was just a venue — another carefully crafted political forum for the candidates to offer canned speeches as answers.

The subsequent debates that followed Detroit have not improved either. In fact at this point, I have lost interest in the debates. They are nothing but speech contests yielding squabbles over who can garner the most attention in the national spotlight.

The fact that Democrats have not yet decided on a potential nominee as other contenders like former New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg join the race shows how chaotic the race has become. This only enhances Trump’s reelection chances.

None of the current candidates have shown that they have the political muscle to go up against Trump. Biden, the favorite of party insiders and status-quo white liberals, isn’t the answer. If he is nominated, the party could face a deeply divided campaign against itself because Biden represents largely all the things that have gone wrong in the past at a time when new voices are emerging to change the direction of the party.

Democrat's lack of focus on the issues and the persistent questions about the electability of their candidates aren't helping them win Michigan.
 
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Bankole: Are Democrats ceding Michigan to Trump?
Bankole ThompsonPublished 10:54 p.m. ET Dec. 18, 2019


President Donald Trump knows he needs Michigan. Winning here would be a major boost in his quest for a second term in 2020. Even as the odds are stacked against him, Trump could still pull another stunning upset in this battleground state much like he did in 2016. It is not beyond the realm of possibility that this state could remain red in the next presidential election.

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Michigan resident Rob Cortis, owner of the Trump Unity Bridge trailer (Photo: Max Ortiz, The Detroit News)

On the other hand, the take-no-risk Democrats behave as if Michigan is already a foregone conclusion -- an easy win. Democrats who view Trump’s election as a big mistake the nation won’t stomach a second time don't think Michigan needs much convincing to abandon the president. As a result of this conventional and out of touch way of thinking, little has been done to swing the state. The Democratic presidential candidates so far have done a poor job of articulating a compelling economic vision that matters to this nation’s forgotten communities.

For example, while Trump was in the state this week demonstrating yet again that the road to the White House for him runs through Michigan, none of the so-called leading Democratic contenders visited the state to counter the president’s antics and offer a different vision from what he shared at his Christmas rally.
On the same day the president was politically serenading his supporters, Attorney General William Barr visited Detroit to launch an anti-violent crime measure, an indication of where the city sits on the national crime index and a vexing reminder of the crisis of urban poverty.
No that little joke or insult that Trump made about dinggle is really going to come back and haunt him. Plus Michigan went a little blue last year.
 
No that little joke or insult that Trump made about dinggle is really going to come back and haunt him. Plus Michigan went a little blue last year.
Only due to the fact the michigan repug party is a buncha idiots.

But like bankole says in the article dems are paying NOOO attention to the battleground states.

Bernie came here for labor day and some other pretender, Besides that not a peep.

The math is simple dems need wisc, MI, OH, PA. Yet they seem to be making the same mistake that hillary did.

Just My .02
 
Only due to the fact the michigan repug party is damn near non existant.

But like bankole says in the article dems are paying NOOO attention to the battleground states.

Bernie came here for labor day and some other pretender, Besides that not a peep.

The math is simple dems need wisc, MI, OH, PA. Yet they seem to be making the same mistake that hillary did.

Just My .02
That’s not true they are paying attention they just don’t want things in the background you can’t show all of your cards early. For instants Wisconsin the Democrats are using a open records rule to find out all of the voters they want to purge.
 
The height of Russian propaganda spreading on social media. Real grievances and valid anger being redirected to poor solutions for the purpose of sowing discord in the US.

There are legitimate issues that need to be addressed, but giving up what little power we have by not voting is not the answer. Withdrawing from the process that determines how our lives are governed is not the answer.

Whether you participate in the process or not, laws that are passed affect us for good or ill. If you participate, you can choose representatives who will vote, in most cases, they way you would choose to. Or who support issues that matter to you such as healthcare, gun control, climate change etc.

You don't want to vote, think both parties are the same, voting changes nothing, but are hip deep in every political thread posted on here. You haven't simply decided to withdraw because you don't think it matters, you are actively trying to discourage others from participating.

Why do you care if someone else is willing to spend a day or two out the year exercising their civic options? I comment on people not participating because i see value in the process. I think it's important and that our voice is diminished if we aren't active. You don't see value, you say whether we vote or not it's all the same, so why are you fighting so hard to make sure this sameness manifests under black voters sitting out? There has to be some benefit or payoff for this. You're investing too much time in asking us to be silent. IMO, you lose the right to bitch and complain when you aren't in the mix. Don't complain about Trump, the GOP, dems or anyone else if you aren't voting for or against a person, policy etc.
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CAN WE JUST STICKY THIS & GET IT OVER WITH ?
 
Judges spar with Democrats, DOJ in impeachment doubleheader

Federal appeals court judges aggressively grilled lawyers for the Justice Department and the House of Representatives Friday in a pair of intertwined cases that could have major implications for Donald Trump’s presidency and the Democrats’ ongoing efforts to remove him from office.


During back-to-back hearings spanning about three hours, the judges drilled in on the House Judiciary Committee’s dual quests to learn special counsel Robert Mueller’s grand jury secrets and to secure testimony from Don McGahn, Trump’s former top White House lawyer. The two hearings were overseen by two partially overlapping, three-judge panels.

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Its over! We won!
and then we relax...
and then we go on about our lives....
and then, 9/11 2.0 happens!
Then we bomb.
Then Trump goes overboard.
Then Russia steps in.
Then its a real fight where there are no winners.
Then they all decide to change the oil dollars to euros.
Then the American Empire crumbles.
 
Lol Checkmate :)

I said this shit like 2 months ago but everybody was calling me a Russian bot.

I’m no bot. I totally understand White CACs. The democrats were stupid to think they can muscle a republican:) lol

Personally I think it's past time to send them over, but I also think something is about to break that she knows about. Dems have been getting antsy and publicly saying they think she should move on, then later or the next day these same dems are walking it back saying they trust Nancy. I think she knows something and is stalling to give it time to emerge.
 
After months of hearing how he wants a big aquittal, a showy defense on his behalf … Trump does the "Trump Shuffle" again …..

Trump, Shifting Arguments, Urges Swift Dismissal of Impeachment Charges

The president injected new instability into his looming impeachment trial as Speaker Nancy Pelosi warned that nothing could “erase” the stain on his presidency.

CONTINUED:

 
House announces ‘trove’ of evidence to add to impeachment process – as it happened

Lev Parnas, the indicted associate of Rudy Giuliani, provides documents that gives details to Trump’s re-election scheme

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House announces ‘trove’ of evidence to add to impeachment process – as it happened

Lev Parnas, the indicted associate of Rudy Giuliani, provides documents that gives details to Trump’s re-election scheme

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Yes I just read something similar to this from another news Source they are finding a lot of damaging stuff the Senate is going to be put against the wall on this.
 
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