Dr. West making some great points, including one very important idea I haven't heard much discussed. I haven't finished yet, might share some thoughts later.
Dr. Cornel West on The Joe Rogan Experience
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Dr. West making some great points, including one very important idea I haven't heard much discussed. I haven't finished yet, might share some thoughts later.
Got no time for coonin. 
Got no time for coonin.
Because you're going to be busy spending the next two hours listening to Dr. West?
Ha ha... you're funny.
Not being aligned with Barack Obama does not make him a coon. BGOL has warped that term into "black person I don't like or disagree with."
Not aligned with Barack Obama??? That's putting it mildly. My biggest problem with West and Tavis Smiley is they both went all in on Obama but did not got after Bush with the same intensity despite the fact that Bush did absolutely nothing to help blacks and other people of color and in fact initiated policies designed to economically hurt same. Add to that their constant pettiness and vengeful actions toward Obama simply because they weren't in their eyes given a place on prominence in his Administration as was Al Sharpton. Lastly, talk is cheap and all West and Smiley have ever done is run their mouths, or to paraphrase the memorable words of James Brown, they constantly "talkin' loud and doing' nothing".
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Cornell West is full of shit. He supposedly knows everything about Black folks yet has never taught them. He went hard on Obama him and Smiley campaigning and shit with the poverty tour. I ain't seen go at Trump with no gusto at all. I can't respect him. He was hiding in books during civil rights era, then he comes out speaking about shit like he participated.
joes attempt to cover up his racism...
though I do think he has grown a little from it
but the fact he runs and tries to cover it up, instead of just address it.. proves he knows he still got a lil ol joe in him...
that shit he said about being in a "black" movie theatre with animals and mentioned monkeys and apes if Im not mistaken.... really shows his true colors..
at least what justin bieber did he did when he was a teen ager.
whats fuckin rogans excuse..??
though I do think he has grown a little from it
but the fact he runs and tries to cover it up, instead of just address it.. proves he knows he still got a lil ol joe in him...
that shit he said about being in a "black" movie theatre with animals and mentioned monkeys and apes if Im not mistaken.... really shows his true colors..
at least what justin bieber did he did when he was a teen ager.
whats fuckin rogans excuse..??
Fuck Cornell West.
@ronmch20 and @Diomedes3000 covered just about all of it. When his shine got stolen because BHO he went straight into bitch mode.
All that bullshit he spits; yet he won’t leave the cushy life of the Ivy League. Motherfucker speaks with forked tongue.
@ronmch20 and @Diomedes3000 covered just about all of it. When his shine got stolen because BHO he went straight into bitch mode.
All that bullshit he spits; yet he won’t leave the cushy life of the Ivy League. Motherfucker speaks with forked tongue.
Only thing he did I agree with is get at Kamala Harris false Black claim and her phony little black girl on the bus talk.
He can get it together and go at the bougie negroes but he's one and he support Bernie which isn't much different.
I'll give it a listen but I know he's gonna talk in circles alot.
He can get it together and go at the bougie negroes but he's one and he support Bernie which isn't much different.
I'll give it a listen but I know he's gonna talk in circles alot.
Motherfuck the Coon twins, Cornel and Tavis! Have not heard shit from them since the Grand Wizard of the Klan got elected, but they allowed the CAC nation to use them daily to beat up on the brother!
Have not heard shit from them since the Grand Wizard of the Klan got elected, but they allowed the CAC nation to use them daily to beat up on the brother!
A bunch of idiots refuse to listen to anything the man says and then continually say "I ain't seen [him] go at Trump with no gusto at all." Because you aren't paying attention, you dumb motherfuckers!
If you choose to ignore someone, fine, but don't go on for years claiming to know what they are or are not addressing just because it fits your fantasy.
Motherfuck the Coon twins, Cornel and Tavis!
A bunch of idiots refuse to listen to anything the man says and then continually say "I ain't seen [him] go at Trump with no gusto at all." Because you aren't paying attention, you dumb motherfuckers!
If you choose to ignore someone, fine, but don't go on for years claiming to know what they are or are not addressing just because it fits your fantasy.
Nah, bro.
You've got us all wrong on this issue.
What folks are doing is expressing their distain for Cornell West & Tavis Smiley because both men chose to make their personal issues with Barack a public crusade to bring him down. All in the name of loving "poor Black people".
Both West & Smiley still harbor great resentment and anger towards Barack because Barack managed to get elected TWICE without bowing down and kissing either of their asses. Both men viewed themselves as "politically indispensable" in delivering the Black vote to the Democratic Party. But when Barack showed the world that they WEREN'T as important as they hold themselves to be, they took it extremely personal and have hated him ever since...
So for 8 years, these two men made it their personal mission in life to destroy Obama (America's 1st Black president). They went so far as to appearing on virtually ANY television program to denounce him and to even accused him of being a war criminal. (Rather than try to work WITH him to pass new legislation to actually help poor people).
But fast forward to 2016-2019, where neither man has put nearly as much time or energy into fighting Trump (A White Nationalist). And both men have returned to their respective financial enterprises.
- West is now back at his Ivy League Universities lecturing rich, White, entitled students on racism and palling around with Bill Maher.
- Smiley is now back on TV talking about racism to a Black audiences who've lost faith in him, all the while dodging sexual misconduct charges.
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- Smiley is now back on TV talking about racism to a Black audiences who've lost faith in him while dodging sexual misconduct charges.
Smiley is back on TV where?
Nah, bro.
You've got us all wrong on this issue.
What folks are doing is expressing their distain for Cornell West & Tavis Smiley because both men chose to make their personal issues with Barack a public crusade to bring him down. All in the name of loving "poor Black people".
Both West & Smiley still harbor great resentment and anger towards Barack because Barack managed to get elected TWICE without bowing down and kissing either of their asses. Both men viewed themselves as "politically indispensable" in delivering the Black vote to the Democratic Party. But when Barack showed the world that they WEREN'T as important as they hold themselves to be, they took it extremely personal and have hated him ever since...
So for 8 years, these two men made it their mission in life to destroy Obama (America's 1st Black president). They went so far as to appearing on virtually ANY television program to denounce him and to even accuse him of being a war criminal. (Rather than try to work WITH him to pass new legislation to help poor people).
But fast forward to 2016-2019, where neither man has put nearly as much time or energy into fighting Trump (A White Nationalist). And both men have returned to their respective financial enterprises.
- West is now back at his Ivy League Universities lecturing rich, White, entitled students on racism and palling around with Bill Maher.
I'm not going to waste time debating whether Cornel West "has put nearly as much time or energy into fighting Trump" with people who have tuned him out since Obama was president.
People have the right to listen to whomever they want to but arguing about what West has said in the last two years with people who haven't listened to a word he has said in that time is stupid. I have no interest in "debating" people who are committed to repeating the same shit from half a decade ago without taking in any new information.
I don't see why people would participate in this thread about a Cornel West interview if they are unwilling to listen to him speak. Do you have thoughts on what he said about Trump in this interview???
Intro - Joe/Dr. West talk Richard Pryor 5:38 - Roseanne Barr & female comedic influences 7:17 - Philosophy of Western comedy writing 8:38 - Dr. West LOVES writer, Anton Checkov 9:43 - Comedians! The vanguards of the species 12:06 - Why are People afraid of “Freedom”? 14:14 - Being a force for Good 16:41 - Brother Donald Trump is a Gangster 17:45 - Worldly love of American culture 18:39 - West’s brilliant definition of “Comedy” 20:29 - Socrates crying? Jesus Christ laughing? 23:11 - Dichotomy of Humanity & Accountability ** 25:20 - Start Dr. West monologue of American empire 31:19 - Socialism vs. Democratic Socialism ** 33:32 - Race: an American history & tradition (Dr. West at his best) 42:58 - Experiment of self-government/Democracy 46:31 - Reshaping Human narrative of socialism 50:49 - Where is the public spotlight on Humanity? 53:18 - “Leave a little bit of Heaven” 56:03 - “Try again fail again , fail better”
I hear you, bro.
But any backlash Cornell West is experiencing is of HIS OWN design.
If Clarence Thomas were to suddenly say; "It's hard being Black in America", Black people would look at him as being disingenuous, self serving and phoney.
- Is he wrong? No.
But his track record shows a history of being against the well being of Black people. Probably for personal gain.
In the case of West; over the course of 8 years, he put the well being of Black people in America on the back burner to stroke his own bruised ego and to execute his personal vendetta against another Black man.
So, now as a result many Blacks are looking at him as being largely disingenuous as well...
I hear you, bro.
But any backlash Cornell West is experiencing is of HIS OWN design.
If Clarence Thomas were to suddenly say; "It's hard being Black in America", Black people would look at him as being disingenuous, self serving and phoney.
- Is he wrong? No.
But his track record shows a history of being against the well being of Black people. Probably for personal gain.
In the case of West; over the course of 8 years, he put the well being of Black people in America on the back burner to stroke his own bruised ego and to execute his personal vendetta against another Black man.
So, now as a result many Blacks are looking at him as being largely disingenuous as well...
I fundamentally disagree with your characterization of Dr. West as having a "track record [that] shows a history of being against the well being of Black people."
It seems your ONLY basis for that claim was his opposition to Barack Obama.
At least hundreds, if not thousands, of black people influenced by Dr. West would strongly disagree. That man was expanding the conception of what was possible for a black person long before we had a black president.
I supported Obama. At the same time, I agreed with most of Dr. West's criticisms. I also think Dr. West did poorly in how he went about it, particularly with the obvious personal animus.
But to make him an enemy of black people for that reason? That's going way too far.
Edited to add: On a re-read, I think you were specifically referring to Clarence Thomas with that line. But to compare those two in any way is still just ridiculous.
Anyway, that's my last word on Obama vs West. I didn't create this thread to have the same conversation we could have had in 2015, with the additional factor of people who don't listen to West somehow speaking on what he has and has not been saying since 2016. It just is not productive or enriching.
If anybody wants to have a 2019-era conversation, holla at me!
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#1. I never said nor did I imply that West was the enemy of Black people.
- You're projecting this...
#2. I never said West has "track record [that] shows a history of being against the well being of Black people."
- I DID say that; "over the course of 8 years, he put the well being of Black people in America on the back burner to stroke his own bruised ego and to execute his personal vendetta against another Black man". Please reread my post.
#3. You're a supporter of Cornell West. Good. Please continue to do so.
- However, I was just trying to explain WHY many of us no longer are...
Peace.
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