U a dumb fuck..This bitch AMERIKKKA rides on road construction, and Home Construction..I do this shit for a living...not some internet fucking Dweeb...ain't shit seasonal..it rolls year round.. KINSFOLK
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U a dumb fuck..This bitch AMERIKKKA rides on road construction, and Home Construction..I do this shit for a living...not some internet fucking Dweeb...ain't shit seasonal..it rolls year round.. KINSFOLK
Right to the poorhouse.
We know who you rep.. Folk
Shitttttt I guess depends on what state you live in.. Cause it hasn't been so much construction in ny ever like now... Nigs is getting so much work in that field... If a bathtub and sink got room in between them they trying to build a condo in the middle of that bitch... So many high rises, condos, luxury homes being built right now...or things upgraeed..or knock down to be upgraded
All I'm saying...good postin..brah
I have learned through failure. There is a lot of bad financial advice floating around that pertains to us. Like having your parents pay for your school in full. They should setup a trust with the money and you take out a school loan. Your income does not pan out from a bad degree, than default.
It is foolhardy for us to pay off school when our unemployment rate is high, let the government deal with the effects of employment discrimination.
It is foolhardy for us to pay off school when our unemployment rate is high, let the government deal with the effects of employment discrimination.
Tough love needed. Maybe a rent payment here or a cable bill there but I never ever cosign for shit. The best way I help my adult kids is with their credit. I'll make them authorized users on 2 or 3 of my high limit credit cards. Purely in name only. They never receive an actual card. Helps them with their credit ratio, age of accounts, and overall credit availability. This can increase their credit score significantly. As much as 80, 90, or 100 points in 2-3 weeks. As soon as the credit bureaus receive the information. I mean, if you're 25 with $3k of credit at 100% debt ratio/625 credit score and 2 weeks later it's $80k worth of credit and 1% debt ratio with increased account age, the score soars. I even do it for my parents. This method is nothing new but commonly not used. Especially when buying a house. But needs to be done a few months before the application process. So the increase doesn't appear so sudden. Then all concerned can sign for what they want on their own name.
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Straight game..brah
You better have him doing chores around the house early. I seen something today that motivated my spirit. I just moved in a new neighborhood. Heard a knock on the door and it was a lawn man. His crew was cutting 4/5 homes in the area and stopped by to ask me for my business. I told him I’ll think about it and went back inside. 20 mins later, I came back out and called one the crew members that was close to me and ask to speak to the head guy. When the person took there sombrero (sp) off, she had to be a 16/17 year old girl. I say that to say this, there’s no better motivation in life, then knowing what it’s like to sweat at early age. Understanding how hard it is to make a dollar. Laziness is the killer of life and dreams. Whatever you do, do not let your kids become lazy.
They build year round in Houston.
Preciate it man. And you're right about this.
I'm seeing this with my 14yr old nephew. Dude is lazy at times in which he doesn't like to clean-up after himself and just got this lethargic attitude about everything he does. Even school work at times. My brother really didn't make him do chores (like a set schedule) and my mom (his grandma) gives him anything he practically wants. When he ask me for something he either has to wash my car, cut my grass, or have to make some type of deal...go figure he dont ask me for shit lol
But yes, I'm a definitely have him working. Not to mold him to have an employee mentality but for him to understand that Everything you want, requires some type of work to achieve. Nothing that is meaningful to you is free.
Depends on where you live and the economy in your general area. Frankly, like a few folks on this board, you may have tunnel vision. I have seen Skilled Carpenters out of work for periods of time based on the economy, lack of contracts, etc... I'm not saying that's a reason to avoid those types of jobs. It's just not the panacea some are making it out to be in this thread. The economic crash over a decade ago (still being felt by some)along with a shortage of immigrant workers has led to a shortage of construction workers and the housing industry is compensating using technology. In general, these jobs will experience growth over the next 5 depending on the economy but whatever jobs are eliminated by tech and newer better methods will probably not return.
Bottom line college needs to be affordable and not just another American racket to generate obscene profits.
Just came to say this bro. I got a 2-year degree with no student loans and the wife has a 4-year business degree with 50K in loans and depending on the year I make 3 times what she makes.
Nowhere in our lifetime will you see Robot Plumbers, Electricians, HVAC techs etc. We have automation here offshore but who gets paid to fix the iron roughneck? I use a damn robot at my job and when it breaks, I fix it. I told dudes years ago about getting a real trade
Exactly... I'm not talking about this moment specifically. I'm talking about 35-40 years I have been in the workforce plus what is likely to come in the next 10 years. With Orange Julius Ceaser fucking with the economy who knows what bullshit to expect next.
Same thing is happening in Philly. My co-worker does general contractor work as a side hustle and according to him finding electricians, carpenters, and plumbers are hard. He has to overpay.
I was in Seatlle a couple of years ago and while up on the space needle I counted over 25 construction cranes in a small radius.
Down in NC, you either work for the city, state, or some type of crontracting company.
City jobs are fairly easy to get down here as long as you not on drugs or a felon. I always suggest those jobs to you guns but they ain’t down for that manual labor. But you get all the benefits if you do.
Contract companies pretty much take anyone, but their pay is usually suspect because they know these folk are desperate for work.
After spending sometime is NYC and being a small town contra dude, I was to write about perspectives.
@tallblacknyc you a hustler/business man so I can so why you think the way you do. NYC has a lot of money circulating all the damn time. People are always around all the time.
Being from the south from where I am at is not even close in being able to have to the same type of mentality.
The diversity of people is another huge factor.
That was one of the reasons I chose to DJ.
A computer program can play music, take requests, even run an algorithm to make a playlist. But it can't read a crowd, will never know when where or why to drop one song into another, and is at least a decade away from having any sort of interactive personality.
it's hard to believe that a lot of the jobs that were considered flighty bullshit 10 years ago could end up becoming the employment of the future.
@tallblacknyc
@4 Dimensional
Fam, he doesn't know what he's talking about.
You don't know what you're talking about.
Not saying that with any malicious intent but as a person whose spent 16 years in the construction industry in an managerial capacity you truly don't know what the fuck you are talking about clearly based on ignorance.
To prevent you from spreading more nonsense I will give you these two nuggets of information.
1: Most construction labor is not only skilled labor but highly skilled labor. Let's start with something as simple to the untrained eye as a bathroom. With in your standard bathroom you are dealing with at least 7 different trades (electrical, mechanical, plumbing, waterproofing, masonry, finishes, flooring, fire sprinkler) having to coordinate and occupied one of the smallest places in a building. All of these trades are going to have to make minute but critical adjustments to their plan of attack to the bathroom in order make it work. Adjustments that come from years of on the job experience and a finely hone expertise in an endeavor. For example, the sheet rock subcontractor may have to go to a 3/8" green board as opposed to a 1/2" because that additional 1/8 inch got ate up by the mason and the plumber to make the sewage drain for his toilet carries to work and the wall dimensions must maintain because the sub putting in partitions is relying on the wood blocking already in the walls so he can install safety hand rails to meet ADA compliance.
That's just the bathroom. Buildings are way bigger and way complicated then that and require a level of critical thinking and interpersonal skills that robots do not have.
Oh and to give you a more concrete not 'just my opinion' take on things... It takes an Electrican and a Plumber 6 years of on the job training and rigorous testing to receive their Masters licences; the same time it takes to go to a 4 year university with a two years masters program. With that knowledge a person can...
- Open permits under their name with a city or municipality.
- Be used as an expert in the court of law.
-Open their own shop union or right to work.
-Shop out their licence (Called Ghosting) to a company and get points on the profits.
That's just Electrical and Plumbing, I'm not evening talking about Fire Sprinkler, Building Controls, Asbestos Abatement, HVAC, and Life Saftey which requires high levels of certifications.
Hell I'm a project manager and I have two degrees Construction Science and Mechanical Engineering and I'm a fucking retard math wise to some of vendors I used for hydronic pumps tied to the chiller units for your standard building.
So no...construction is extremely skilled and technical.
2. The grey tsunami. The biggest problem construction has nowadays is not -nor ever will be- robots but this false misconception that construction work is not skilled, challenging, rewarding, or pays well. For the past three decades or so white collar jobs have been pushed onto young people as opposed to "blue collar" jobs such as in the construction industry. This has caused a age gap in our skilled labor force with more guys retiring than guys coming in to fill their role and to harness their valuable knowledge. Construction doesn't give a fuck about robots WE BEEN USING ROBOTS what we need is SMART AND SKILLED PEOPLE TO REPLACE THE SMART AND SKILLED PEOPLE RETIRING.
That's part of the reason it takes shit so long to get built. Not enough SKILLED people to do it. Fuck a robot. A robot can calculate the load on a load barring wall but not know that the wall needs to be 3 inches to the left o.c. to make the millwork work because the architect changed the design submittal in the latest addendum to the plans.
If you know a young man who isn't built for college but may be built to own his own busniss and/or work for himself DEBT free in 6 years get him in the trades.
But yeah...you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
Happy father's day. Stop spreading nonsense.
*two cents*
@4 Dimensional
Fam, he doesn't know what he's talking about.
You don't know what you're talking about.
Not saying that with any malicious intent but as a person whose spent 16 years in the construction industry in an managerial capacity you truly don't know what the fuck you are talking about clearly based on ignorance.
To prevent you from spreading more nonsense I will give you these two nuggets of information.
1: Most construction labor is not only skilled labor but highly skilled labor. Let's start with something as simple to the untrained eye as a bathroom. With in your standard bathroom you are dealing with at least 7 different trades (electrical, mechanical, plumbing, waterproofing, masonry, finishes, flooring, fire sprinkler) having to coordinate and occupied one of the smallest places in a building. All of these trades are going to have to make minute but critical adjustments to their plan of attack to the bathroom in order make it work. Adjustments that come from years of on the job experience and a finely hone expertise in an endeavor. For example, the sheet rock subcontractor may have to go to a 3/8" green board as opposed to a 1/2" because that additional 1/8 inch got ate up by the mason and the plumber to make the sewage drain for his toilet carries to work and the wall dimensions must maintain because the sub putting in partitions is relying on the wood blocking already in the walls so he can install safety hand rails to meet ADA compliance.
That's just the bathroom. Buildings are way bigger and way complicated then that and require a level of critical thinking and interpersonal skills that robots do not have.
Oh and to give you a more concrete not 'just my opinion' take on things... It takes an Electrican and a Plumber 6 years of on the job training and rigorous testing to receive their Masters licences; the same time it takes to go to a 4 year university with a two years masters program. With that knowledge a person can...
- Open permits under their name with a city or municipality.
- Be used as an expert in the court of law.
-Open their own shop union or right to work.
-Shop out their licence (Called Ghosting) to a company and get points on the profits.
That's just Electrical and Plumbing, I'm not evening talking about Fire Sprinkler, Building Controls, Asbestos Abatement, HVAC, and Life Saftey which requires high levels of certifications.
Hell I'm a project manager and I have two degrees Construction Science and Mechanical Engineering and I'm a fucking retard math wise to some of vendors I used for hydronic pumps tied to the chiller units for your standard building.
So no...construction is extremely skilled and technical.
2. The grey tsunami. The biggest problem construction has nowadays is not -nor ever will be- robots but this false misconception that construction work is not skilled, challenging, rewarding, or pays well. For the past three decades or so white collar jobs have been pushed onto young people as opposed to "blue collar" jobs such as in the construction industry. This has caused a age gap in our skilled labor force with more guys retiring than guys coming in to fill their role and to harness their valuable knowledge. Construction doesn't give a fuck about robots WE BEEN USING ROBOTS what we need is SMART AND SKILLED PEOPLE TO REPLACE THE SMART AND SKILLED PEOPLE RETIRING.
That's part of the reason it takes shit so long to get built. Not enough SKILLED people to do it. Fuck a robot. A robot can calculate the load on a load barring wall but not know that the wall needs to be 3 inches to the left o.c. to make the millwork work because the architect changed the design submittal in the latest addendum to the plans.
If you know a young man who isn't built for college but may be built to own his own busniss and/or work for himself DEBT free in 6 years get him in the trades.
But yeah...you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
Happy father's day. Stop spreading nonsense.
*two cents*
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No problem bro. I see it within my family. I have an older brother who’s 16 months older than me. When we’re growing up, our parents had us washing the dishes after every meal. Cleaning the whole house every Saturday morning, doing laundry and folding their clothes by the age of 12. My brother started working by 14, I started working at 15. My parents never made us pay rent though, we just bought clothes, and whatever we needed. From the day I started working at 15, had asked my parents for a dime. I’m 39 now. On the flip side, my parents had my sister 8 yrs after me, and my little brother 19 years after me. The two later kids didn’t have to do any chores and didn’t work as a teen. My wasn’t is a complete disappointment. My little brother is still young so I don’t know, but he’s in college at least. I made my first $1M at 36 by the way.
Lol due to a lot of people ignorance convicts are making a killing coming out of prison in construction due to learning that trade while locked up... I know to many nigs who in the past several yrs came out and clocking $30+ an hr doing construction..that s juss a start...some are making wayyyyy more than that...some done went independent...some started their own construction companies...some be working on these rich cac homes or bizzness beating them over the head for 4-5 digit gigs.. Let me not get into some of these 7 fig settlement cause of on the work accidents people had...fall off a ladder, piece of metal went through arm... I know several dudes who became millionaires due to on work accidents@tallblacknyc
@4 Dimensional
Fam, he doesn't know what he's talking about.
You don't know what you're talking about.
Not saying that with any malicious intent but as a person whose spent 16 years in the construction industry in an managerial capacity you truly don't know what the fuck you are talking about clearly based on ignorance.
To prevent you from spreading more nonsense I will give you these two nuggets of information.
1: Most construction labor is not only skilled labor but highly skilled labor. Let's start with something as simple to the untrained eye as a bathroom. With in your standard bathroom you are dealing with at least 7 different trades (electrical, mechanical, plumbing, waterproofing, masonry, finishes, flooring) having to coordinate and occupied one of the smallest places in a building. All of these trades are going to have to make minute but critical adjustments to their plan of attack to the bathroom in order make it work. Adjustments that come from years of on the job experience and a finely hone expertise in a endeavor. For example, the sheet rock subcontractor may have to go to a 3/8" green board as opposed to a 1/2" because that additional quarter inch got ate up by the mason and the plumber to make the sewage drain for his toilet carries to work and the wall dimensions must maintain because the sub putting in partirions is relying on the wood blocking already in the walls so he can install safety hand rails to meet ADA compliance.
That's just the bathroom. Buildings are way bigger and way complicated then that and require a level of critical thinking and interpersonal skills that robots do not have.
Oh and to give you a more concrete not 'just my opinion' take on things... It takes an Electrican and a Plumber 6 years of on the job training and rigorous testing to receive their Masters licences; the same time it takes to go to a 4 year university with a two years masters program. With that knowledge a person can...
- Open permits under their name with a city or municipality.
- Be used as an expert witness in court.
-Open their own shop union or right to work.
-Shop out their licence (Called Ghosting) to a company and get points on the profits.
That's just Electrical and Plumbing, I'm not evening talking about Fire Sprinkler, Building Controls, Asbestos Abatement, HVAC, and Life Saftey which requires high levels of certifications.
Hell I'm a project manager and I have two degrees Construction Science and Mechanical Engineering and I'm a fucking retard math wise to some of vendors I used for hydronic pumps tied to the chiller units for your standard building.
So no...construction is extremely skilled and technical.
2. The grey tsunami. The biggest problem construction has nowadays is not -nor ever will be- robots but this false misconception that construction work is not skilled, challenging, rewarding, or pays well. For the past three decades or so white collar jobs have been pushed onto young people as opposed to "blue collar" jobs such as in the construction industry. This has caused a age gap in our skilled labor for with more guys retiring then more guys coming in to fill their role and to harness their valuable knowledge. Construction doesn't give a fuck about robots WE BEEN USING ROBOTS what we need is SMART AND SKILLED PEOPLE TO REPLACE THE SMART AND SKILLED PEOPLE RETIRING.
That's part of the reason it takes shit so long to get built. Not enough SKILLED people to do it. Fuck a robot. A robot can calculate the load on a load barring wall but not know that the wall needs to be 3 inches to the left o.c. to make the millwork work because the architect changed the design submittal in the latest addendum to the plans.
If you know a young man who isn't built for college but may be built to own his own busniss and/or work for himself DEBT free in 6 years get him in the trades.
But yeah...you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
Happy father's day. Stop spreading nonsense.
*two cents*
@tallblacknyc
@4 Dimensional
Fam, he doesn't know what he's talking about.
You don't know what you're talking about.
Not saying that with any malicious intent but as a person whose spent 16 years in the construction industry in an managerial capacity you truly don't know what the fuck you are talking about clearly based on ignorance.
To prevent you from spreading more nonsense I will give you these two nuggets of information.
1: Most construction labor is not only skilled labor but highly skilled labor. Let's start with something as simple to the untrained eye as a bathroom. With in your standard bathroom you are dealing with at least 7 different trades (electrical, mechanical, plumbing, waterproofing, masonry, finishes, flooring) having to coordinate and occupied one of the smallest places in a building. All of these trades are going to have to make minute but critical adjustments to their plan of attack to the bathroom in order make it work. Adjustments that come from years of on the job experience and a finely hone expertise in a endeavor. For example, the sheet rock subcontractor may have to go to a 3/8" green board as opposed to a 1/2" because that additional quarter inch got ate up by the mason and the plumber to make the sewage drain for his toilet carries to work and the wall dimensions must maintain because the sub putting in partirions is relying on the wood blocking already in the walls so he can install safety hand rails to meet ADA compliance.
That's just the bathroom. Buildings are way bigger and way complicated then that and require a level of critical thinking and interpersonal skills that robots do not have.
Oh and to give you a more concrete not 'just my opinion' take on things... It takes an Electrican and a Plumber 6 years of on the job training and rigorous testing to receive their Masters licences; the same time it takes to go to a 4 year university with a two years masters program. With that knowledge a person can...
- Open permits under their name with a city or municipality.
- Be used as an expert witness in court.
-Open their own shop union or right to work.
-Shop out their licence (Called Ghosting) to a company and get points on the profits.
That's just Electrical and Plumbing, I'm not evening talking about Fire Sprinkler, Building Controls, Asbestos Abatement, HVAC, and Life Saftey which requires high levels of certifications.
Hell I'm a project manager and I have two degrees Construction Science and Mechanical Engineering and I'm a fucking retard math wise to some of vendors I used for hydronic pumps tied to the chiller units for your standard building.
So no...construction is extremely skilled and technical.
2. The grey tsunami. The biggest problem construction has nowadays is not -nor ever will be- robots but this false misconception that construction work is not skilled, challenging, rewarding, or pays well. For the past three decades or so white collar jobs have been pushed onto young people as opposed to "blue collar" jobs such as in the construction industry. This has caused a age gap in our skilled labor for with more guys retiring then more guys coming in to fill their role and to harness their valuable knowledge. Construction doesn't give a fuck about robots WE BEEN USING ROBOTS what we need is SMART AND SKILLED PEOPLE TO REPLACE THE SMART AND SKILLED PEOPLE RETIRING.
That's part of the reason it takes shit so long to get built. Not enough SKILLED people to do it. Fuck a robot. A robot can calculate the load on a load barring wall but not know that the wall needs to be 3 inches to the left o.c. to make the millwork work because the architect changed the design submittal in the latest addendum to the plans.
If you know a young man who isn't built for college but may be built to own his own busniss and/or work for himself DEBT free in 6 years get him in the trades.
But yeah...you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
Happy father's day. Stop spreading nonsense.
*two cents*
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How much can he really do though? In order to stop the construction industry he would have to single-handedly make America completely and perminently unlivable. because even if he completely wrecked the national economy there's always going to be foreigners who will buy in cheap just in case someone else can turn it around.
Any profession you get into is going to have a downturn at some point in your career. Any job you hold will eventually be cheapened or eliminated by a machine. The real challenge isn't to find a career that can't be replaced, it's being able to adapt once it happens.
Fam who you telling.
There's 3 decades worth of backlogged road/bridge construction that NEEDS to be done we just don't have the people to do it.
*two cents*
Yep you see nothing but cranes in the sit in Houston, not even counting road construction, homes and businesses. Plenty of money to be made. I made more $ off my certificate/trade than my degree
@tallblacknyc
@4 Dimensional
Fam, he doesn't know what he's talking about.
You don't know what you're talking about.
Not saying that with any malicious intent but as a person whose spent 16 years in the construction industry in an managerial capacity you truly don't know what the fuck you are talking about clearly based on ignorance.
To prevent you from spreading more nonsense I will give you these two nuggets of information.
1: Most construction labor is not only skilled labor but highly skilled labor. Let's start with something as simple to the untrained eye as a bathroom. With in your standard bathroom you are dealing with at least 7 different trades (electrical, mechanical, plumbing, waterproofing, masonry, finishes, flooring) having to coordinate and occupied one of the smallest places in a building. All of these trades are going to have to make minute but critical adjustments to their plan of attack to the bathroom in order make it work. Adjustments that come from years of on the job experience and a finely hone expertise in a endeavor. For example, the sheet rock subcontractor may have to go to a 3/8" green board as opposed to a 1/2" because that additional quarter inch got ate up by the mason and the plumber to make the sewage drain for his toilet carries to work and the wall dimensions must maintain because the sub putting in partirions is relying on the wood blocking already in the walls so he can install safety hand rails to meet ADA compliance.
That's just the bathroom. Buildings are way bigger and way complicated then that and require a level of critical thinking and interpersonal skills that robots do not have.
Oh and to give you a more concrete not 'just my opinion' take on things... It takes an Electrican and a Plumber 6 years of on the job training and rigorous testing to receive their Masters licences; the same time it takes to go to a 4 year university with a two years masters program. With that knowledge a person can...
- Open permits under their name with a city or municipality.
- Be used as an expert witness in court.
-Open their own shop union or right to work.
-Shop out their licence (Called Ghosting) to a company and get points on the profits.
That's just Electrical and Plumbing, I'm not evening talking about Fire Sprinkler, Building Controls, Asbestos Abatement, HVAC, and Life Saftey which requires high levels of certifications.
Hell I'm a project manager and I have two degrees Construction Science and Mechanical Engineering and I'm a fucking retard math wise to some of vendors I used for hydronic pumps tied to the chiller units for your standard building.
So no...construction is extremely skilled and technical.
2. The grey tsunami. The biggest problem construction has nowadays is not -nor ever will be- robots but this false misconception that construction work is not skilled, challenging, rewarding, or pays well. For the past three decades or so white collar jobs have been pushed onto young people as opposed to "blue collar" jobs such as in the construction industry. This has caused a age gap in our skilled labor for with more guys retiring then more guys coming in to fill their role and to harness their valuable knowledge. Construction doesn't give a fuck about robots WE BEEN USING ROBOTS what we need is SMART AND SKILLED PEOPLE TO REPLACE THE SMART AND SKILLED PEOPLE RETIRING.
That's part of the reason it takes shit so long to get built. Not enough SKILLED people to do it. Fuck a robot. A robot can calculate the load on a load barring wall but not know that the wall needs to be 3 inches to the left o.c. to make the millwork work because the architect changed the design submittal in the latest addendum to the plans.
If you know a young man who isn't built for college but may be built to own his own busniss and/or work for himself DEBT free in 6 years get him in the trades.
But yeah...you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
Happy father's day. Stop spreading nonsense.
*two cents*
This shit here is worth the $10 paid to joing BGOL a thousand times over.
Do some research on the jobs robots are ACTUALLY replacing and see what's really going down. And don't think of robots simply as mechanical entities but also AI. Customer service and insurance and so many other skills are on the way out too. Robots will not be sophisticated enough in the next 30 years to replace many jobs, and there will also be a need to fix the robots.
I work on and with these. They are pushing for remote control access to get guys from offshore but the latency and other issues is going to hold this up. Also, the fact that if you lose a fiber connection, or part a tether or umbilical there's nothing you can do unless you are physically there. We also lay cable, instal wind farms and other jobs like animatronics that have nothing to do with oil/gas.
All of the skills required to run and operate these machines translate into other fields.
We deal with:
Fibre Optics
Hydraulics
Low Voltage
High Voltage 3phase
Pneumatics
Computers
acoustic instruments
radioactive sources
just to name the most common ones. These types of skills keep you doing your own wiring projects at home instead of paying somebody else to do it. I pretty much fix all my stuff and actually saved $400 by re-capping the power supply for my TV instead of paying for a new one.
My dad is a contractor. You 100% right dude doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. There's no robot laying tile and cutting sheet rock anywhere on the planet. The amount of shit that requires hands on work is fucking mindboggling ain't no damn machine doing that.
Also, construction isn't just "building homes". My dad is practically retired and he still does home remodeling and cabinet building from time to time. No machines are doing that. FoH
Also, construction isn't just "building homes". My dad is practically retired and he still does home remodeling and cabinet building from time to time. No machines are doing that. FoH
@tallblacknyc
@4 Dimensional
Fam, he doesn't know what he's talking about.
You don't know what you're talking about.
Not saying that with any malicious intent but as a person whose spent 16 years in the construction industry in an managerial capacity you truly don't know what the fuck you are talking about clearly based on ignorance.
To prevent you from spreading more nonsense I will give you these two nuggets of information.
1: Most construction labor is not only skilled labor but highly skilled labor. Let's start with something as simple to the untrained eye as a bathroom. With in your standard bathroom you are dealing with at least 7 different trades (electrical, mechanical, plumbing, waterproofing, masonry, finishes, flooring) having to coordinate and occupied one of the smallest places in a building. All of these trades are going to have to make minute but critical adjustments to their plan of attack to the bathroom in order make it work. Adjustments that come from years of on the job experience and a finely hone expertise in a endeavor. For example, the sheet rock subcontractor may have to go to a 3/8" green board as opposed to a 1/2" because that additional quarter inch got ate up by the mason and the plumber to make the sewage drain for his toilet carries to work and the wall dimensions must maintain because the sub putting in partirions is relying on the wood blocking already in the walls so he can install safety hand rails to meet ADA compliance.
That's just the bathroom. Buildings are way bigger and way complicated then that and require a level of critical thinking and interpersonal skills that robots do not have.
Oh and to give you a more concrete not 'just my opinion' take on things... It takes an Electrican and a Plumber 6 years of on the job training and rigorous testing to receive their Masters licences; the same time it takes to go to a 4 year university with a two years masters program. With that knowledge a person can...
- Open permits under their name with a city or municipality.
- Be used as an expert witness in court.
-Open their own shop union or right to work.
-Shop out their licence (Called Ghosting) to a company and get points on the profits.
That's just Electrical and Plumbing, I'm not evening talking about Fire Sprinkler, Building Controls, Asbestos Abatement, HVAC, and Life Saftey which requires high levels of certifications.
Hell I'm a project manager and I have two degrees Construction Science and Mechanical Engineering and I'm a fucking retard math wise to some of vendors I used for hydronic pumps tied to the chiller units for your standard building.
So no...construction is extremely skilled and technical.
2. The grey tsunami. The biggest problem construction has nowadays is not -nor ever will be- robots but this false misconception that construction work is not skilled, challenging, rewarding, or pays well. For the past three decades or so white collar jobs have been pushed onto young people as opposed to "blue collar" jobs such as in the construction industry. This has caused a age gap in our skilled labor for with more guys retiring then more guys coming in to fill their role and to harness their valuable knowledge. Construction doesn't give a fuck about robots WE BEEN USING ROBOTS what we need is SMART AND SKILLED PEOPLE TO REPLACE THE SMART AND SKILLED PEOPLE RETIRING.
That's part of the reason it takes shit so long to get built. Not enough SKILLED people to do it. Fuck a robot. A robot can calculate the load on a load barring wall but not know that the wall needs to be 3 inches to the left o.c. to make the millwork work because the architect changed the design submittal in the latest addendum to the plans.
If you know a young man who isn't built for college but may be built to own his own busniss and/or work for himself DEBT free in 6 years get him in the trades.
But yeah...you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
Happy father's day. Stop spreading nonsense.
*two cents*
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Not true...don't feed this nonsense notion.
By the time Skynet rolls around, we will have more to worry about then jobs.
Aite..I'mma give it to you one time for the March of dimes..I have been in business for dam near 20 years...always make half a millie a year or better...I am a licensed plumber,HVAC, and electrician. These carpenters you speak of, are FUGAZZI. They prolly cant change with the times, and adapt to new designs, and what the people want. I'm gonna tell you right now. Construction is year round. Who's heater, hot water heater, air conditioning, roof leaks, home electrical circuits, wood rot, home renovations, choose to build new home or business only in the hot months? Brah
This shit here is worth the $10 paid to joing BGOL a thousand times over.
Do some research on the jobs robots are ACTUALLY replacing and see what's really going down. And don't think of robots simply as mechanical entities but also AI. Customer service and insurance and so many other skills are on the way out too. Robots will not be sophisticated enough in the next 30 years to replace many jobs, and there will also be a need to fix the robots.
I work on and with these. They are pushing for remote control access to get guys from offshore but the latency and other issues is going to hold this up. Also, the fact that if you lose a fiber connection, or part a tether or umbilical there's nothing you can do unless you are physically there. We also lay cable, instal wind farms and other jobs like animatronics that have nothing to do with oil/gas.
All of the skills required to run and operate these machines translate into other fields.
We deal with:
Fibre Optics
Hydraulics
Low Voltage
High Voltage 3phase
Pneumatics
Computers
acoustic instruments
radioactive sources
just to name the most common ones. These types of skills keep you doing your own wiring projects at home instead of paying somebody else to do it. I pretty much fix all my stuff and actually saved $400 by re-capping the power supply for my TV instead of paying for a new one.
I eat up folks that can't change a light, or can't change a simple circuit board in their furnace, or can't light the hot water heater, or replace it...500.00 a shot in a hour or less...I see one of those above listed problems twice weekly..brah
@tallblacknyc
@4 Dimensional
Fam, he doesn't know what he's talking about.
You don't know what you're talking about.
Not saying that with any malicious intent but as a person whose spent 16 years in the construction industry in an managerial capacity you truly don't know what the fuck you are talking about clearly based on ignorance.
To prevent you from spreading more nonsense I will give you these two nuggets of information.
1: Most construction labor is not only skilled labor but highly skilled labor. Let's start with something as simple to the untrained eye as a bathroom. With in your standard bathroom you are dealing with at least 7 different trades (electrical, mechanical, plumbing, waterproofing, masonry, finishes, flooring) having to coordinate and occupied one of the smallest places in a building. All of these trades are going to have to make minute but critical adjustments to their plan of attack to the bathroom in order make it work. Adjustments that come from years of on the job experience and a finely hone expertise in a endeavor. For example, the sheet rock subcontractor may have to go to a 3/8" green board as opposed to a 1/2" because that additional quarter inch got ate up by the mason and the plumber to make the sewage drain for his toilet carries to work and the wall dimensions must maintain because the sub putting in partirions is relying on the wood blocking already in the walls so he can install safety hand rails to meet ADA compliance.
That's just the bathroom. Buildings are way bigger and way complicated then that and require a level of critical thinking and interpersonal skills that robots do not have.
Oh and to give you a more concrete not 'just my opinion' take on things... It takes an Electrican and a Plumber 6 years of on the job training and rigorous testing to receive their Masters licences; the same time it takes to go to a 4 year university with a two years masters program. With that knowledge a person can...
- Open permits under their name with a city or municipality.
- Be used as an expert witness in court.
-Open their own shop union or right to work.
-Shop out their licence (Called Ghosting) to a company and get points on the profits.
That's just Electrical and Plumbing, I'm not evening talking about Fire Sprinkler, Building Controls, Asbestos Abatement, HVAC, and Life Saftey which requires high levels of certifications.
Hell I'm a project manager and I have two degrees Construction Science and Mechanical Engineering and I'm a fucking retard math wise to some of vendors I used for hydronic pumps tied to the chiller units for your standard building.
So no...construction is extremely skilled and technical.
2. The grey tsunami. The biggest problem construction has nowadays is not -nor ever will be- robots but this false misconception that construction work is not skilled, challenging, rewarding, or pays well. For the past three decades or so white collar jobs have been pushed onto young people as opposed to "blue collar" jobs such as in the construction industry. This has caused a age gap in our skilled labor for with more guys retiring then more guys coming in to fill their role and to harness their valuable knowledge. Construction doesn't give a fuck about robots WE BEEN USING ROBOTS what we need is SMART AND SKILLED PEOPLE TO REPLACE THE SMART AND SKILLED PEOPLE RETIRING.
That's part of the reason it takes shit so long to get built. Not enough SKILLED people to do it. Fuck a robot. A robot can calculate the load on a load barring wall but not know that the wall needs to be 3 inches to the left o.c. to make the millwork work because the architect changed the design submittal in the latest addendum to the plans.
If you know a young man who isn't built for college but may be built to own his own busniss and/or work for himself DEBT free in 6 years get him in the trades.
But yeah...you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
Happy father's day. Stop spreading nonsense.
*two cents*
This is why you need to push that biz we talked of...your mind is all in..brah!
If not replaced by automation, then outsourced overseas for cheap labor.
All yr, one thing I don’t do is major electrical, ac heat, and plumbin.
That shit will always need to be worked on.
They fail cause people don’t maintain them properly.
Shit learn electrical work then move on to a line company, major doe there. Niggas get like 20-30hr.
Man I saved myself a grip doin most of the work in my home.
Ms sneed and I bout to kill the rent shit tho.
Have niggas payin for our shit
Unless their are humanoid androids at play in this conversation then humans dont have much to worry about.
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