The Warriors have a goal: Get Steph an NBA Finals MVP

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The Warriors want to fill the hole in Stephen Curry's trophy case

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Andre Iguodala's left calf is aching.

The 35-year-old swingman, who has been dealing with the injury throughout most of the Golden State Warriors' postseason run, spends the moments following Game 2 of the NBA Finals limping through the locker room inside Scotiabank Arena. Iguodala peels off his jersey and tells the assembled media what continues to motivate him to play through injuries at the tail end of a 15-year career.

"I like Steph," Iguodala says. "He's a good dude, good guy to be around. That's really the only reason why I like playing basketball."

In this moment, Iguodala's motive is far deeper than the joy he gets from playing alongside Stephen Curry; he is also determined to bolster Curry's individual résumé. Coincidentally, that means getting Curry something Iguodala already has: an NBA Finals MVP award.

"I've never seen a person, such a good person, ever get some backlash, whatever, from his peers," Iguodala said. "Because they're so jealous of what he has. ... So whatever it takes to protect his legacy, I'm all for it."

Since the NBA-ABA merger in 1976-77, Curry is part of a small group of players who have won both a regular-season MVP award and a title but not claimed Finals MVP. Like Curry has the past two years, David Robinson and Julius Erving played alongside another MVP (Tim Duncan and Moses Malone, respectively) when they won their titles, while Kevin Garnett was four years removed from his MVP season -- and on a different team -- when he won his lone championship.

Getting Curry off that list is on the Warriors' to-do list, not because Curry wants them to -- as Andrew Bogut put it, "It would help him solidify his place in history, but I don't think that's going to matter too much to him" -- but because he's so beloved by his teammates.

"He's been a great teammate for eight years," fellow Splash Brother Klay Thompson said before Game 2. "Even a better friend. You root for guys like Steph because he doesn't take any shortcuts. He works extremely hard. He's a family man. He's just a prime example of what you want your leader to be."



Iguodala echoed those sentiments, saying, "He's not arrogant. He doesn't go about life like a superstar. DeMarcus [Cousins] said it one day -- he was like, 'He's the most normal superstar I've ever seen.' He's like, 'This is unreal.' But it's just talk about culture. People don't understand how important that is."

Curry has played well on the game's biggest stage. He was the team's leading scorer in the 2015 Finals, averaging nearly 10 points per game more than Iguodala, who won Finals MVP. He led the Warriors in scoring again in 2016, when they lost in seven games to the Cleveland Cavaliers -- a setback Curry blames himself for.

Kevin Durant arrived that summer, and took the Finals scoring lead from Curry en route to winning each of the past two Finals MVPs. Still, Curry averaged 27.1 points per game over those two series, an increase over the 25.7 PPG he put up in the 2016-17 and 2017-18 regular seasons.

"I think if you ask him he'll take that championship and everyone being healthy," said Bogut, who was part of the Warriors' title team in 2015 and, after stints with Cleveland, Dallas and the Lakers over the past two seasons, rejoined Golden State earlier this season. "In my opinion, I don't think [winning Finals MVP] changes the direction of his career, but I guess for the media people that are out there criticizing him for not having that, it might silence them a little bit, for at least a year -- until they find something else to criticize him for."

Curry backed up Bogut's sentiments, downplaying the importance of the individual honor when compared to winning a third consecutive title.

"In the positions that we are in, that's just nitpicking at the end of the day, if I really want to cause a hissy fit about not winning the Finals MVP with all that we've experienced and all the highs that we've been to," he said. "When [Durant] won the last two, he deserved both of them. He played amazing, such consistent basketball at a high level.

"Do I feel like we win a championship without myself or with what Draymond [Green] did or Andre did? No. Everybody has a part in what we do, and whoever wins it this year, it's the same vibe."

With Durant sidelined with a strained calf, Curry entered the series as the betting favorite to win his first Finals MVP. He heads into Game 3 (Wednesday, 9 p.m. ET on ABC/WatchESPN) as the team's leading scorer with 57 points, tied with Toronto Raptors forward Kawhi Leonard for the most in the series. He has also added nine assists, eight rebounds and a series-high four steals.



And while Curry's Warriors teammates would like him to eventually take home the one major award he has yet to win, they aren't going to risk losing the series by force-feeding Curry.

To wit, his usage rate through two games in 2019 (27.1%) is actually down from the 2018 Finals (32.3%), when he was playing alongside a healthy Durant. And when the Raptors went to a box-and-one zone defense designed to slow down Curry in Game 1, he didn't attempt a single shot, choosing to trust his teammates rather than force the issue.

"Don't get me wrong, I play to play my best and to do what I need to do to help my team win, and that's never going to change," Curry said before the series. "Got to win and then let the rest take care of itself."

Curry is now facing the prospect of playing Game 3 without both Durant and Thompson, with the latter listed as questionable after straining his hamstring late in Game 2.

Add in Iguodala's various ailments, Cousins still being less than 100 percent after his surprising return from the torn quadriceps he suffered in the first round, and backup center Kevon Looney likely being out for the rest of the series, and this is probably as thin a squad as Curry has had around him at any point in this five-year playoff run.

Without Durant, the Warriors have become the first team since the 1991 Lakers to play a Finals game without their leading scorer from the regular season. Losing Thompson, should he be unable to play Game 3, would leave Golden State without its third-leading scorer as well. Durant and Thompson combined to score 3,707 points in the regular season. No other player on the Warriors' roster aside from Curry scored even 600 points this season.

With a less-accomplished player, questions might surface as to whether he could carry such a banged-up team. However, those closest to him know that Curry is at his best when people doubt his greatness. He acknowledged as much following a poor performance in Game 3 of the Western Conference semifinals against the Houston Rockets, when he scored 33 points in the second half of Game 6 after being shut out in the first half.

"I've heard a lot of noise this series, for sure," Curry said. "I'll just leave it at that. Whether it's positive, negative, whatever the case is -- I know what I'm capable of."



Curry's ability to use the criticism as fuel while simultaneously not becoming a distraction for the rest of the group is something that Warriors coach Steve Kerr and his staff have long admired about the 31-year-old superstar.

"Steph's just unselfish and all about the team," Kerr said just before the start of the Finals. "And I'm sure he would love to win Finals MVP, but he's much more about the team than he is about the individual. He's proven that over and over again. And he's been amazing throughout the playoffs and we'll just keep counting on him and relying on him and we're lucky to be able to do so."

Kerr won five championships in his playing career, and each time there was no question as to who was going to win Finals MVP. Michael Jordan won it for each of Kerr's titles with the Chicago Bulls (the last three of Jordan's six Finals MVPs overall), and Duncan took home the honors for the two titles Kerr won with the San Antonio Spurs.

Jordan is in the Hall of Fame. Duncan will almost certainly join him next year, as will Curry three years after he retires, whether he wins Finals MVP or not. But Warriors guard Shaun Livingston would like to see Curry in the company of those two, and the other legends of the game, sooner rather than later.

"It would be the pinnacle, I think," he said of Curry winning the award this year. "The ultimate kind of reward in a sense of things going full circle, if you think about it. All of his sacrifices, from his contracts, to his play with Kevin [Durant] getting here and just everything."

And while the Warriors want the award for Curry, he isn't campaigning for votes.

"Honestly, I don't need anybody's validation or praise or them to hype me up as other people in the league know who I am," Curry said. "So whatever comes with that territory, that doesn't really bother me."
 
Even if he wins it, people will say its only cuz KD didnt play so he gets it by default. :lol: Steph being the best player on the floor in a Finals with LeBron and KD playing wouldve done so much more for his legacy.
 
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Nobody on BGOL wants to discuss the legacy of Steph as hes in the Finals? Damn shame. :smh:

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Fuck a legacy. When Steph retires he got rings and will be a hall of famer. What else do you need?

Yeah nobody wants to discuss this stupid media driven bullshit. His legacy is already cemented; this Finals MVP thing just started last week when the media started talking about it.
 
Man this nigga done won 3 times and hasn't been the finals mvp once... His legacy will be a great one... But he won't be spoken of when we talk best all time player.... Best shooter, though.. Maybe even best "team" player ever... Both of which are GREAT distinctions to have. But I think as the business that the nba is starts to break apart that team... His trips to the finals will be few and far between... But having a 5 year run like this is all a player could ask for anyways... Hats off to em.
 
Yeah nobody wants to discuss this stupid media driven bullshit. His legacy is already cemented; this Finals MVP thing just started last week when the media started talking about it.
Right. Man I be sitting here looking at all these discussions and all these topics on TV......man what the fuck is a legacy? Who determines what legacy is good or bad? These niggas are going to make over 200 million dollars in their career, they got rings, they got MVP's.......why do we keep letting the media keep raising the bar? I get comparing players and shit....that's heathy sports debating. But if you sitting here talking about a damn Finals MVP....when you got regular season MVP's and rings? When does this shit just get silly? These niggas are chasing ghosts.

Like to me Charles Barkley is one of the best players I've ever seen play the game. Like before Lebron.....I don't know if there was a guy who was skilled as Chuck, as athletic and as strong as him. There may have been others better but my point is this dude is never brought up as one of the best. Patrick Ewing, Olajuwon....we somehow skipped over all this talent to jump straight to the KD's and Lebron's.....all because the media let it happen. Fuck them. All these dudes are great.
 
Man this nigga done won 3 times and hasn't been the finals mvp once... His legacy will be a great one... But he won't be spoken of when we talk best all time player.... Best shooter, though.. Maybe even best "team" player ever... Both of which are GREAT distinctions to have. But I think as the business that the nba is starts to break apart that team... His trips to the finals will be few and far between... But having a 5 year run like this is all a player could ask for anyways... Hats off to em.
But I mean no one brings up Olajuwon as the greatest of all time. No one brings him up and he has two Final MVP's....Joe Dumars and got a Finals MVP.......so I mean what are these dudes chasing? Why are they chasing these accomplishments and why are their other accomplishments being devalued?
 
But I mean no one brings up Olajuwon as the greatest of all time. No one brings him up and he has two Final MVP's....Joe Dumars and got a Finals MVP.......so I mean what are these dudes chasing? Why are they chasing these accomplishments and why are their other accomplishments being devalued?

So now Finals MVPs dont mean anything cuz Steph cant win one? :roflmao2:

How many times you heard someone say Joe Dumars is the best or 2nd best ever at his position like they do Steph? How many times you heard someone say Olajuwon revolutionized the game like Steph? Tony Parker has 4 rings and won a Finals MVP over Bron. Are we expecting too much of Steph?
 
But I mean no one brings up Olajuwon as the greatest of all time. No one brings him up and he has two Final MVP's....Joe Dumars and got a Finals MVP.......so I mean what are these dudes chasing? Why are they chasing these accomplishments and why are their other accomplishments being devalued?
Only these new nigs who only watch YouTube clips and Google their bball info don't give hakeem his just due... Most real dudes would say Hakeem is their fave center to watch...Kareem and wilt were bad motherfuckers but hakeem was that dude that everybody enjoyed watching play in the 90s... A big man moving so easily with mad moves and great ability... Easily top 3 centers of all time... Prob the fave to watch
 
So now Finals MVPs dont mean anything cuz Steph cant win one? :roflmao2:

How many times you heard someone say Joe Dumars is the best or 2nd best ever at his position like they do Steph? How many times you heard someone say Olajuwon revolutionized the game like Steph? Tony Parker has 4 rings and won a Finals MVP over Bron. Are we expecting too much of Steph?

Nigga....Steph is about to get a Finals MVP in a week. :lol: Shit has nothing to do with Steph. I was speaking in the defense of niggas like Lebron and KD who keep trying to chase the acceptance of the media's legacy bullshit. You over here arguing but for what? Who gives a fuck that Lebron had to team up with 2 other hall of famers to get a ring? Shit doesn't hurt his legacy regardless of what the media says.
 
Only these new nigs who only watch YouTube clips and Google their bball info don't give hakeem his just due... Most real dudes would say Hakeem is their fave center to watch...Kareem and wilt were bad motherfuckers but hakeem was that dude that everybody enjoyed watching play in the 90s... A big man moving so easily with mad moves and great ability... Easily top 3 centers of all time... Prob the fave to watch
I'm saying.....Olajuwon should be appreciated way more than he is. Like how in the GOAT conversation we missed a whole bunch of players and jumped straight to KD and Lebron? Shit I think even Steph gets mention and shit. There's a way to appreciate their greatness without forgetting those before them.
 
But I mean no one brings up Olajuwon as the greatest of all time. No one brings him up and he has two Final MVP's....Joe Dumars and got a Finals MVP.......so I mean what are these dudes chasing? Why are they chasing these accomplishments and why are their other accomplishments being devalued?

You're semi making my point... When you narrow the category down to greatest centers... Guess who's name is coming up... I feel like steph will fall in that same bracket.... You narrow the scope to shooter.... To team player... He's going to be brought up... Greatest player ever though?... Gonna get laughed out the barbershop talking that shit though. Does it personally matter to him? I think clearly it doesn't... But then again.. People get old and start to write tell all books that truly express their feelings.... So time will tell... End of the day he was a significant, influential player on a dominant team with 3-4 rings... Riding off in the sunset is all there's left to do... He ain't gonna need to do any commentating (not saying chuck or Shaq had to do it either) during retirement... His legacy/brand should carry him well in Oakland and San Francisco and to the world. I'd say he's feeling pretty accomplished as it stands now.
 
You're semi making my point... When you narrow the category down to greatest centers... Guess who's name is coming up... I feel like steph will fall in that same bracket.... You narrow the scope to shooter.... To team player... He's going to be brought up... Greatest player ever though?... Gonna get laughed out the barbershop talking that shit though. Does it personally matter to him? I think clearly it doesn't... But then again.. People get old and start to write tell all books that truly express their feelings.... So time will tell... End of the day he was a significant, influential player on a dominant team with 3-4 rings... Riding off in the sunset is all there's left to do... He ain't gonna need to do any commentating (not saying chuck or Shaq had to do it either) during retirement... His legacy/brand should carry him well in Oakland and San Francisco and to the world. I'd say he's feeling pretty accomplished as it stands now.
I agree with you about Steph but Olajuwon center or not was one of the best players I ever seen play. He was one of the most dominant players on both sides I ever seen play. It is what it is. I just don't get the rush cements legacies like KD and Lebron when they skipped a bunch of greats to get to them.
 
Right. Man I be sitting here looking at all these discussions and all these topics on TV......man what the fuck is a legacy? Who determines what legacy is good or bad? These niggas are going to make over 200 million dollars in their career, they got rings, they got MVP's.......why do we keep letting the media keep raising the bar? I get comparing players and shit....that's heathy sports debating. But if you sitting here talking about a damn Finals MVP....when you got regular season MVP's and rings? When does this shit just get silly? These niggas are chasing ghosts.

Like to me Charles Barkley is one of the best players I've ever seen play the game. Like before Lebron.....I don't know if there was a guy who was skilled as Chuck, as athletic and as strong as him. There may have been others better but my point is this dude is never brought up as one of the best. Patrick Ewing, Olajuwon....we somehow skipped over all this talent to jump straight to the KD's and Lebron's.....all because the media let it happen. Fuck them. All these dudes are great.

So now Finals MVPs dont mean anything cuz Steph cant win one? :roflmao2:

How many times you heard someone say Joe Dumars is the best or 2nd best ever at his position like they do Steph? How many times you heard someone say Olajuwon revolutionized the game like Steph? Tony Parker has 4 rings and won a Finals MVP over Bron. Are we expecting too much of Steph?

Nobody was even talking about Finals MVP til last week. Whenever I heard players being compared they’d talk about CHAMPIONSHIPS. When Iggy got the Finals MVP over Steph nobody was saying it was a knock against Steph, when KD got 2 over Steph nobody was saying it was a knock against Steph, but last week the media decided to say Steph doesn’t have a Finals MVP so now it’s a knock. Tell me why you feel Iggy deserved the MVP over. Steph when Steph was clearly the best player on that championship team
 
Nigga....Steph is about to get a Finals MVP in a week. :lol: Shit has nothing to do with Steph. I was speaking in the defense of niggas like Lebron and KD who keep trying to chase the acceptance of the media's legacy bullshit. You over here arguing but for what? Who gives a fuck that Lebron had to team up with 2 other hall of famers to get a ring? Shit doesn't hurt his legacy regardless of what the media says.

This thread is about Steph.

You were just mentioning legacy in another thread. Now in this thread it dont matter. Finals MVPs are overrated. :roflmao2:

Yall say Steph dont care, but in a few years when other PGs are crowned above him yall gone be tryna remind folks how great he was despite not being his best in the Finals.
 
I'm saying.....Olajuwon should be appreciated way more than he is. Like how in the GOAT conversation we missed a whole bunch of players and jumped straight to KD and Lebron? Shit I think even Steph gets mention and shit. There's a way to appreciate their greatness without forgetting those before them.

Yeah...They are saying KD is the best player right now, if he leaves and goes to New York do you think they will say New York is now a championship contender?
 
Why would they ?

No he isn't.

Keem is the goat. Fuck the bullshit. Didn't dick ride nobody to his titles either.

Who they gonna give this MVP if it ain't Steph? Draymon? Cousins? They gonna give it to KD sitting on the bench lol?

Nobody was even talking about Finals MVP til last week. Whenever I heard players being compared they’d talk about CHAMPIONSHIPS. When Iggy got the Finals MVP over Steph nobody was saying it was a knock against Steph, when KD got 2 over Steph nobody was saying it was a knock against Steph, but last week the media decided to say Steph doesn’t have a Finals MVP so now it’s a knock. Tell me why you feel Iggy deserved the MVP over. Steph when Steph was clearly the best player on that championship team

Right. Nobody said shit about no damn Finals MVP's. Nobody slights Isiah Thomas because Joe Dumars got that Finals MVP. Man all these years people valued regular season MVP more than Finals MVP in most sports. Nobody looks at Eli Manning and say damn he's a damn good MVP. Finals MVP was about who happened to have played the best in that round of the playoffs. Now it determines your legacy. :lol:

This thread is about Steph.

You were just mentioning legacy in another thread. Now in this thread it dont matter. Finals MVPs are overrated. :roflmao2:

Yall say Steph dont care, but in a few years when other PGs are crowned above him yall gone be tryna remind folks how great he was despite not being his best in the Finals.
I didn't say Final MVP's don't care. I'm just saying when the fuck did y'all start caring about that shit to determine someones legacy? That's like me saying Lebron legacy is tainted because he's lost more Finals appearances than he's won.

You keep trying to make this shit about Steph. Steph ain't the GOAT. Steph ain't the best player on his team. He took a backseat to KD soon as he got there.
Yeah...They are saying KD is the best player right now, if he leaves and goes to New York do you think they will say New York is now a championship contender?
Man let me tell you what they gonna do.

They gonna build him up to be the best player in the league......then KD goes to the Knicks...Knicks will suck and get into the playoffs as a late seed just for them to lose in the 1st round and then people will question KD's greatness and break him down just as much as they built him up. :lol: I can already see it.
 
They gonna build him up to be the best player in the league......then KD goes to the Knicks...Knicks will suck and get into the playoffs as a late seed just for them to lose in the 1st round and then people will question KD's greatness and break him down just as much as they built him up. :lol: I can already see it.

KD has burner accounts for IG critics while winning back to back titles and back to back FINALS MVPs.....can you imagine how this muthafucka is going to react to the NYC media after the honeymoon period ends? I hope he goes for that reaction alone
 
KD has burner accounts for IG critics while winning back to back titles and back to back FINALS MVPs.....can you imagine how this muthafucka is going to react to the NYC media after the honeymoon period ends? I hope he goes for that reaction alone
You know....that part alone is why I'm shocked he even considering going to NY. I won't believe it until I see it.
 
As dumb as this conversation is, the human dynamic in Golden State is notable.

To me, it's heart-warming to see so much open affection for the leader of the most unselfish team in basketball history.
 
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Nobody on BGOL wants to discuss the legacy of Steph as hes in the Finals? Damn shame. :smh:

:wakeup:

Your sad obsession does not surprise me.

I am surprised that the thread sat dormant so long with Amajorfucup not quoting the title of the article and denouncing Spectrum as a homosexual. (He probably e-mailed Nick Friedell directly.)
 
Keem is the goat. Fuck the bullshit. Didn't dick ride nobody to his titles either.
Cole, you stupid.
Who they gonna give this MVP if it ain't Steph? Draymon? Cousins? They gonna give it to KD sitting on the bench lol?
You do know Draymond has been the MVP the last two series including this one right?
To me, it's heart-warming to see so much open affection for the leader of the most unselfish team in basketball history.
Definitely one of the most unselfish.
I am surprised that the thread sat dormant so long with Amajorfucup not quoting the title of the article and denouncing Spectrum as a homosexual. (He probably e-mailed Nick Friedell directly.)
I actually didnt even see OP. Just read thread title and responded to that premise.. Ill give OP a warning tho. Thanks.
 
The FMVP voters don’t like Steph it’s just that simple, they clearly vote for a playing getting it from evaluating an entire finals but move the goal post for Steph and evaluate him on a negative if he has one bad game

2015 finals he avg 26 ppg yet they gave it to Iggy off one game
2017 he avg 28ppg but gave it to KD cause he avg 4-5 pts more
2018 avg damn near a triple double and had one shitty game and they gave it to KD..

My point is if he were anyone else he would be a 2 time fmvp

Notice the media not saying Pascal not mvp even though he was the reason Raps won game 1

Dubs win game 2 and for the media it’s because Boogie was the difference not because Steph drawing so much attention that his teammates are feasting on raps

Go back to the Portland series they were already planting the seed that Draymond is their mvp even though Steph dominated Portland..

They show him love during the regular season but will shit on him come finals.. Seems Nike is making calls to protect certain legacies

Just saying
 
The FMVP voters don’t like Steph it’s just that simple, they clearly vote for a playing getting it from evaluating an entire finals but move the goal post for Steph and evaluate him on a negative if he has one bad game

2015 finals he avg 26 ppg yet they gave it to Iggy off one game
2017 he avg 28ppg but gave it to KD cause he avg 4-5 pts more
2018 avg damn near a triple double and had one shitty game and they gave it to KD..

My point is if he were anyone else he would be a 2 time fmvp

Notice the media not saying Pascal not mvp even though he was the reason Raps won game 1

Dubs win game 2 and for the media it’s because Boogie was the difference not because Steph drawing so much attention that his teammates are feasting on raps

Go back to the Portland series they were already planting the seed that Draymond is their mvp even though Steph dominated Portland..

They show him love during the regular season but will shit on him come finals.. Seems Nike is making calls to protect certain legacies

Just saying

Curry described the conversation perfectly: Nitpicking.

What does it matter who was the best player in last year's four game sweep of Cleveland? That is the dumbest criteria possible for judging a championship team. It's too meaningless to even consult the stats.
 
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