TV: The Story Behind Leaving Neverland, the Michael Jackson Documentary That Stunned Sundance UPDATE! Lawsuit against HBO proceeds 2023!?

NER0

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How sure are you?
My only problem is the leaps and bounds being made and the credibility of these 2 that's it.

If you're telling me the FBI couldn't lean on someone to make it happen
I'd say you're naive as shit lol.

Let me clarify and restate that I was Guessing the NDA and settlements $$ we’re the reason the other accusers didn’t pursue any other actions against Jacko
And... I may be naive, but not naive enough to defend a grown man that’s sleeping with young Boys ...one after the other....even after molestation allegations and losing millions.
What it all boils down to, to Me, is that if he molested One out of the 20-30 accusers and the rest were extorting him....he’s still a piece of shit
 

largebillsonlyplease

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Let me clarify and restate that I was Guessing the NDA and settlements $$ we’re the reason the other accusers didn’t pursue any other actions against Jacko
And... I may be naive, but not naive enough to defend a grown man that’s sleeping with young Boys ...one after the other....even after molestation allegations and losing millions.
What it all boils down to, to Me, is that if he molested One out of the 20-30 accusers and the rest were extorting him....he’s still a piece of shit


If.

And that's that lol

We don't know
So we can't say.
The facts don't line up with it
And that's what we go off of

Where are the other children coming forward against him?

He's dead now
Nothing he can do to them
Where are the ones that would even try to capitalize off of this stuff and money grab?
 

gene cisco

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https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywoo...ng-neverland-allegations-staff-friends-family

And, as Orth later wrote in her 2004 feature “Neverland’s Lost Boys,” Jackson used other intimidation tactics as well: “In 1993 armed members of tough South-Central L.A. gangs, including the notorious Bloods, were transported to Neverland. The employment of these toughs was said to have sent a strong message to Neverland employees who might have considered cooperating in the Jordie Chandler investigation, not to mention the subliminal message it gave out to other boys and their families who might have been thinking of coming forward.”

:smh: Dude got all this money and goons. Wonder why people not talking or flip flopping. Little boys and square families man. :smh:

But really, all this stops with him saying he sleeps in a bedroom with children. Ain't even shit else to talk about after that. If that were your grown ass fam, you're kicking him out the house if he bringing boys home to sleep with. Don't even matter if he putting half on the bills and is gainfully employed.
 

Big Tex

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I’ll present this question.

What innocent thing was Mike doing with these kids that required being done in a locked bedroom?

Why did he always insist on sleeping with them and only them?
 

NER0

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If.

And that's that lol

We don't know
So we can't say.
The facts don't line up with it
And that's what we go off of

Where are the other children coming forward against him?

He's dead now
Nothing he can do to them
Where are the ones that would even try to capitalize off of this stuff and money grab?

I definitely don’t know
Looks like everybody that made a claim against him got paid... other than these two.. his boy-wife and the other dude he had in love with him and lying for him during the trial
 

therealjondoe

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I’ll present this question.

What innocent thing was Mike doing with these kids that required being done in a locked bedroom?

Why did he always insist on sleeping with them and only them?
There's too many unanswered questions man.
That he didn't have a childhood shit only goes so far. He didn't have a childhood so we are supposed to give a pass for whatever weird shit he does as an adult?
I think his family should be looking for who molested Michael
 

therealjondoe

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I definitely don’t know
Looks like everybody that made a claim against him got paid... other than these two.. his boy-wife and the other dude he had in love with him and lying for him during the trial
Them 2 were his bottom bitches for real
 

Big Tex

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There's too many unanswered questions man.
That he didn't have a childhood shit only goes so far. He didn't have a childhood so we are supposed to give a pass for whatever weird shit he does as an adult?
I think his family should be looking for who molested Michael

Exactly.

Mike had a problem. I believe he was abused also.

But pretending there was nothing wrong with his behavior did not help him. You can say Mike I support you but I can’t support you sleeping with kids. Get help. Instead he always had a base that would die on the hill of there’s nothing wrong with him sleeping alone with young boys.
 

therealjondoe

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Exactly.

Mike had a problem. I believe he was abused also.

But pretending there was nothing wrong with his behavior did not help him. You can say Mike I support you but I can’t support you sleeping with kids. Get help. Instead he always had a base that would die on the hill of there’s nothing wrong with him sleeping alone with young boys.
Take out the boys thing
Look at his relationships with women
Look at how he carved up his face
 

NER0

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Did this bitch Wendy say if Mother Nature takes its course,and you get a hard penis?
So that’s okay to be sleeping with a kid?
And then making up excuses for him to be a drug addict
Man...
 

Amajorfucup

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Corey needs to write a book and name mames - hopefully he gets his project out there
He said he named names and had recordings when he spoke to the FBI in the 90s. They said "We ain't here for that. We want Mike."

Cat been trying to get backing and distribution for his doc for 20 years but these animals got it for a MJ doc in less than 2.
 

gene cisco

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I’ll present this question.

What innocent thing was Mike doing with these kids that required being done in a locked bedroom?

Why did he always insist on sleeping with them and only them?
Won't get an answer because it's something that shouldn't happen in the first fucking place. I shouldn't have watched that Neverland shit because it took me to google this shit and it's like :smh: WTF?

He needed fucking help. He needed someone to tell him no. But from him buying whatever he wanted to the drugs to sleeping with boys, it's clear the word 'no' wasn't in his world.

Just isolating the children to the bedroom overnight is predatory shit for any other man on the fucking planet. If there is a hell, those parents need to burn in it for allowing their children to be alone with this man behind closed doors for the night. :smh:
 

respiration

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I finished watched the documentary last night. It's a difficult watch.

I think about how our people have had so much stolen from us by whites, both through colonization and slavery. They referred to us as apes with small brains in their science books. Then, they rewrote our history and even in up into the mid-20th century depicted Africa in history books and almanacs as some dark, unknown, uncivilized jungle. I remember leafing through a world almanac from the 1950s that for the countries of France, Germany, Spain etc had a minimum of 5 pages apiece describing them - complete with color photographs. They had one page for the entire continent of Africa - with zero photos or illustrations. An entire continent of 54 countries was all compressed into a single paragraph that began, "Little is known about the dark continent".

Our heroes are vital to us because they dispel the centuries old lies of the oppressor surrounding who we are and the greatness we are capable of. In an American society soaked in white supremacy, being able to look to great people like Muhammad Ali, Malcolm X, Nina Simone and such is like an exorcism of and a middle finger to the poisonous lies promulgated by a racist system.

And so then there is Michael Jackson, a Black man who was perhaps the greatest American entertainer in the history of this country. We've grown up with his presence. Some of us were kids who literally grew up with him- his amazing talent a source of pride and also the soundtrack to our lives. We loved him and his family. The Jackson clan was like our royal family.

I have always seen Michael Jackson as proof that there could still be goodness and purity in the world - a man of great compassion, a prolific humanitarian, protector and respecter of children and a helper of sick and downtrodden people. I always rooted for his innocence through all these legal proceedings leveled against him. Speaking honestly, still some things were disturbing. As much of a fan of his music as I've always been, would I have let a child of mine be alone with him him for extended periods of time? No I wouldn't, just as I would not with any non-relative adult as well as many who are relatives. Was MJ capable of hurting children?

The status of our Black icons is important to our collective Black psyche. It's really difficult to accept the possibility that someone we looked up to might also be a predator. Where I'm at personally on the subject is that knowing how much time he spent alone with children and continuing to say that he absolutely never could have messed with any, is unrealistic. He wasn't a god, he was a human being. Also, we can't defend him by saying he was a grown child innocently and naively reliving his childhood through kids - but then turn around and uplift him for the shrewd businessman he was.

This too was Michael Jackson:

"Perhaps the best move of Jackson's financial career was one that had nothing to do with his own music. In 1985, he shelled out $47.5 million to buy a publishing catalog that included 250 Beatles songs. Ten years later Sony paid Jackson $90 million for half the rights, forming a joint venture called Sony/ATV.

Today, the Jackson estate and Sony share ownership of the catalog, which now boasts half a million songs including titles by Bob Dylan, Elvis Presley, Eminem and other artists. Insiders place the catalog's value somewhere in the neighborhood of $1.5 billion, based on estimated proceeds of $50 million to $100 million per year. The estimate marks a 3,000% increase in value from the catalog's initial purchase price -- better than the 1,650% return on Class A shares of Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway since 1990."


MJ was a man with a childlike demeanor, but he was by no means a man with the mental capacity of a child. He was a musical and a financial genius.

The documentary was compelling. It's long as hell, so it took a couple sittings to get through. It was also detailed not just in terms of fucked up pedo methodology but as far as locations and events and family involvement goes. I don't want to but I gotta say, a very good case was made for his guilt. I recommend to watch the doc - not to prove MJ's guilt, but because it's impossible to accurately comment on it if you haven't watched it. Draw your own conclusions as to whether or not Michael was guilty.
 

P03t

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Agreed. I would bet money dude died a virgin. Mike maybe guilty of being weirdo of the century but I don't think he's a pedo. And remember the FBI raided neverland, and found no pedo shit.

he had photos of boys semi naked but no pedophilia photos...they weren't illegal to have but again raises eyebrows
 

naijachief

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Michael Jackson had no business sleeping in the same bed with young boys. Why couldn't he stop this behavior after the first accusation?

Doesn't mean I believe every single accusation against him. It means I can't dismiss every single one of them as false.

I finally watched the entire documentary. Pretty graphic stuff......but it is hard for me to relate to the "victims". We come from two different worlds. My parents would have never allowed me to do what those parents in the documentary allowed their kids to do. So, who am I to say what I would have done or said in court or to authorities or parents at whatever age........ I just can't imagine being in such a situation. I blame the parents. They are responsible for who and where their children sleep with.
 

gene cisco

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Michael Jackson had no business sleeping in the same bed with young boys. Why couldn't he stop this behavior after the first accusation?

Doesn't mean I believe every single accusation against him. It means I can't dismiss every single one of them as false.

I finally watched the entire documentary. Pretty graphic stuff......but it is hard for me to relate to the "victims". We come from two different worlds. My parents would have never allowed me to do what those parents in the documentary allowed their kids to do. So, who am I to say what I would have done or said in court or to authorities or parents at whatever age........ I just can't imagine being in such a situation. I blame the parents. They are responsible for who and where their children sleep with.

Yeah, just to have to say that. Scum ass parents. Ain't no fucking way my parents would have let me have been in a locked bedroom with a man.:smh:

How are you gonna defend MJ and then a few days later throw him under the bus....:confused::smh:

Because he realized just because Mike was cool with him doesn't mean he cool with everybody. People don't look at shit the right way. When they catch serial killers, serial rapists, serial pedos, it's sometimes a surprise because there are so many people who say that the perps are great people. They don't prey on everyone. They prey on a small percentage of those that they target thus their success.

I'm sure there are thousands of women who interacted with R.Kelly as teenagers who can say he didn't rape them, but we know what he was up to. They should to.
 

2 ONE 3

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This falls 100% on the parents. Why are you letting your child sleep in a locked room with a stranger?


The minute my son doesn’t feel comfortable doing this modeling shit I’m pulling him out.

I’d never put him in a shady situation
 

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wwetv100

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How are you gonna defend MJ and then a few days later throw him under the bus....:confused::smh:

I get where Feldman is coming from because he is a victim who hasn't seen his day in court. He would seem like a hypocrite when he processed it after his first reaction. He doesn't want to judge because he is making his own documentary and wants to have his voice taken seriously and not just flatly dismissed. It is telling what his first reaction was though and I think it is because of what he said at 5:56 mark which is what I feel a lot of people have raised eyebrows about this whole film.

The director fully admitted he wanted a story to tell and didn't want anything in there to contradict it. Knowing that they should have no reason to question people who question it. This is what I've basically been saying in terms of the timing of this and why NOW.

I have a few reasons why and I do think there is a bigger picture and it is not what Oprah was saying about this being bigger than Michael Jackson.

This is about money from the industry side and controlling a narrative. It would be hard for some to not see this though because of emotions. You see how Feldman was being a friend of MJ and then started to think business wise and changed his tune? He did exactly what the music and entertainment industry did. They were ignoring things with MJ when it benefited them or it would be detrimental to their bottom line. Now they got the catalog back they wanted and now all of a sudden these things like this documentary are getting the green light and also having people who said they were friends of Michael all of a sudden having a heart or caring?

I'm not buying the okey doke. There is more to why this is all suddenly happening. Cosby and R Kelly just made it easier for it to slide through without looking like a witch hunt or suspicious because those two were(Cosby's old testimony opened up the possibility he did what he was accused of although it is still he say she say for that case with Constand*which I explained in another thread) and are guilty.

Besides that I think with Tichina Arnold as she knows what's up which is what I've been saying on here this week.

From here twitter feed today.
*Its disturbing to watch black ppl pounce on other black ppl when they are already down..guilty or not, but when it comes to holding others races accountable for their horrific actions, I hear crickets. Check yourself before you wreck yourself. Operate through love & compassion.


*I watch with intent. I listen carefully. I learn w/honesty. The shit show that has been displayed in the media is disgusting. What’s more disgusting is watching folks fall right in line into the bullshit. We have all been privy to it but I’m truly tired of it. Just my opinion.


Of course she got attacked because she is viewing what is happening differently than the mob mentality.
 

Big Tex

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This falls 100% on the parents. Why are you letting your child sleep in a locked room with a stranger?


The minute my son doesn’t feel comfortable doing this modeling shit I’m pulling him out.

I’d never put him in a shady situation

100% huh?

Dudes in here are saying there is nothing wrong with Mike sleeping aline with kids.

If Mike is so innocent, why wouldn’t you let your son share his bed alone in a locked room?
 

Duece

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What is said in this documentary that is so disturbing..

Or have I watched so much porn that a bunch of crying grown men doesn't move me.
 

Dr. Truth

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Let me just add this , y’all keep using that he had no childhood shit. When I was a boy I didn’t want to nor did I ever sleep in the same bed as my friends. The fuck that got to do with being a child? Them niggas slept on the floor during sleep overs.
 

2 ONE 3

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100% huh?

Dudes in here are saying there is nothing wrong with Mike sleeping aline with kids.

If Mike is so innocent, why wouldn’t you let your son share his bed alone in a locked room?

My son wouldn’t sleep in the bed with anyone who wasn’t me or his close family meaning his mother, or grandparents.


If you put your child in the hands of a stranger for an entire night alone with a locked door you are a sick fuck
 
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