Hypocrite much? BGOL complains about out of wedlock babies yet claim marriage is pointless
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It's not that complicated. You don't raise men and women to view things the same. In the western world, women gain a lot by shooting for marriage. Men, not so much.
Men encouraging men not to get married. Yet in the same breath complain about out of wedlock babies.
I mean if you are against out of wedlock babies, then by default you are pro wedlock babies.
Oh lets not forget the men that are against marriage, against single mothers pro abortion.....so women supposed to just be barren and be sex objects huh?
I mean if you are against out of wedlock babies, then by default you are pro wedlock babies.
Oh lets not forget the men that are against marriage, against single mothers pro abortion.....so women supposed to just be barren and be sex objects huh?
Pussy can and should be had without marriage.
(Didn’t watch the video)
Dating is cool. Preferred.
Condoms.
Women control every aspect of the dating game but their own misery.
Marriage strips men of assets and self-esteem and rewards women for failing in them.
I don’t want to.
Marriage causes weight gain.
I don’t want to.
This gif has nothing to do with the thread.
(Didn’t watch the video)
Dating is cool. Preferred.
Condoms.
Women control every aspect of the dating game but their own misery.
Marriage strips men of assets and self-esteem and rewards women for failing in them.
I don’t want to.
Marriage causes weight gain.
I don’t want to.
This gif has nothing to do with the thread.
Just come out already!
Not my kids so...
“Fuck them kids”-Bernie Mac
I don't they realize how hypocritical they really are. I'm at the point I just shake my damn head now because its so disappointing to hear the view points.
These guys on here view women as cumdumpsters for their nasty ass fetishes and nothing else. It's more gay men on here than anyone wants to admit.
Shit has definitely changed.
no surprise there.
private marriage is something i just learned about this week
apparently you can do a private ceremony and remove the state from your union
i'm going to research this further
Men are marrying less because of the state/government involvement if/when shit goes bad
How many women would be willing to give up their legal rights if they wanted to be married?
apparently you can do a private ceremony and remove the state from your union
i'm going to research this further
Men are marrying less because of the state/government involvement if/when shit goes bad
How many women would be willing to give up their legal rights if they wanted to be married?
what would be the point of giving up legal rights? That seems short sighted in so many different ways..
Tax Benefits of Marriage
Marital Tax Deduction
Unlimited marital tax deduction is the biggest tax benefit a married couple can receive, Blank Rome LLP matrimonial lawyer and partner Dylan S. Mitchell says. "You can transfer an unlimited amount of assets to your spouse at any time, free from tax. That also includes leaving assets in your estate to your spouse without estate or gift tax subjection."
And just to clarify, gift tax, as defined by the IRS, is a tax on the transfer of property by one individual to another while receiving nothing, or less than full value, in return. So, basically, a gift is giving property or money without expecting to receive equal value in return.
Filing Taxes Jointly
Getting married and filing taxes jointly may or may not help you. "With two high-earning individuals, you could end up paying more in taxes," Chemtob Moss & Forman LLP matrimonial lawyer and partner Susan M. Moss says. "If one spouse stays at home and the other has a high-paying job—or just a job—it benefits to file jointly."
If you file taxes separately, you could potentially miss out on those benefits, such as getting to deduct two exemption amounts from your income and qualifying for various tax credits.
Financial Benefits of Marriage
Social Security Benefits
If either you or your spouse don't qualify for your own Social Security benefits, you can receive the other spouse's benefits. The payoff isn't immediate, though—you have to either be at least 62 years old or be any age but caring for a child who can receive benefits and is younger than 16 years old or disabled. You can also potentially receive Medicare, disability, veterans, military and pension plan benefits through your spouse.
(And although this is a bit of a buzzkill statement, knowledge is power. If your marriage ends but lasted at least 10 years, you may still be able to receive Social Security benefits on your former spouse's record. Aside from that, you'd also have entitlement to spousal support.)
Prenuptial Agreement Benefits
It's presumed under the law that when two people get married, they're creating an economic partnership, Aronson, Mayefsky & Sloan LLP matrimonial lawyer Alyssa A. Rower says. "If one person spends a substantial amount of time on career and [the] other spends it on raising children, we will compensate the non-monied spouse in a prenuptial agreement by dividing assets fairly between the spouses should the marriage end."
IRA Benefits
An Individual Retirement Account can be used a few ways in the course of a marriage, including rolling over a deceased spouse's IRA to your own, or you can contribute to a spousal IRA, which is an account that lets an employed spouse contribute to an unemployed spouse's retirement account. There's one caveat, though: You must file a joint tax return to do this.
Legal Benefits of Marriage
Legal Decision-Making Benefits
If you're married, you can have the status as next-of-kin for hospital visits, which grants you the ability to make medical decisions in the event your spouse becomes sick or disabled. "You also have the legal right to sue for wrongful death of a spouse and have decision-making power with respect to whether a deceased partner will be cremated or not and where to bury him or her," Schpoont & Cavallo LLP family and matrimonial lawyer and partner Sandra L. Schpoont says.
Inheritance Benefits
A spouse can inherit an entire estate without tax consequences. "If the couple is not married, there will be taxes," Rower says. And if there's no will, a spouse still has inheritance rights when the other spouse dies intestate—meaning a person passed away without making a legal will.
Health and Employment Benefits of Marriage
Health Insurance Benefits
If you're married, you can usually get on your spouse's health insurance and get a family rate. This is helpful when one spouse may not have health insurance through their own employer or isn't currently employed.
Paternity Child Benefits
If any issues ever arise over the paternity of a child with a married couple, the married couple may have less of an issue. "If a child is born in New York state to a married couple, there's virtually no issue of paternity," Mitchell says.
Leave Benefits
Through your employer you can usually take a family leave if your spouse is sick, or bereavement leave if your spouse or someone in your spouse's immediate family passes away.
Ok fine. But now onto single moms. Single is considered someone that is not of martial status. Doesn't mean they are not in a 2 income house hold. It means they are not legally married.
So considering the stance you have on marriage i want to ask you straight forward: should men have children outside of wedlock?
Until these bgol niggas humble themselves and follow the teachings of the honorable Elijah Muhammad there is no hope for none of their asses. 
Everyone keeps leaving out reproduction***.Pussy can and should be had without marriage.
(Didn’t watch the video)
Dating is cool. Preferred.
Condoms.
Women control every aspect of the dating game but their own misery.
Marriage strips men of assets and self-esteem and rewards women for failing in them.
I don’t want to.
Marriage causes weight gain.
I don’t want to.
This gif has nothing to do with the thread.
Would you also day children can and should be made outside marriage?
Should both people that have a child live together?
If they live together whos name should the house be in?
I would like to hear them attempt to answer under what conditions should a man have a child? I know they wont answer though.
But: should men have children? Should a man be in a monogamous relationship with the woman he wants to have children with? Should the man and the woman live together when they decide to have children?
Should they live in a house? Should the house be in his name? Should it be in her name? Should the house be in both of their names?
It is no surprise men just knock women up have a baby mama on the other side of town and he fucks her every now and then and give her false hope that he tryin to work it out with them her and be a family.
Did you marry every person you ever had sex with?
If two people agree/decide to have a child, that’s fine. I know a couple of 26 years, never got married. Doing fine. Two kids. So, yes, if want kids and your partners does too, have em. A piece of paper that legally binds me to a person isn’t love that’s power/control.
If two people walk into a bank and apply for a mortgage, it’s what they decide or works in that moment. In most couples, somebody has money and good credit, somebody else doesn’t. Most men earn more than their wives. Some wives don’t even work or have shit credit. House needs to be in his name only in that case. Now, see, in a marriage that same broke ass women can take that house, half his 401k and bank account and the SUV is she slacks off, cheats or decides she wants new dick. So, again, fuck marriage while being pro love.
If two people agree/decide to have a child, that’s fine. I know a couple of 26 years, never got married. Doing fine. Two kids. So, yes, if want kids and your partners does too, have em. A piece of paper that legally binds me to a person isn’t love that’s power/control.
If two people walk into a bank and apply for a mortgage, it’s what they decide or works in that moment. In most couples, somebody has money and good credit, somebody else doesn’t. Most men earn more than their wives. Some wives don’t even work or have shit credit. House needs to be in his name only in that case. Now, see, in a marriage that same broke ass women can take that house, half his 401k and bank account and the SUV is she slacks off, cheats or decides she wants new dick. So, again, fuck marriage while being pro love.
That's Fuzzy McCrazy there. Since,his hyper-religious schtick didn't work,he's on the feminist bandwagon now....
No. Now can you answer the questions in this post/thread?
No no no. It is a misconception that the same house goes to the woman.
If a man gets a house in his name, then finds a wife and gets married and never puts her name on it as well, then all assests aquired before********* marriage stays his.
Also even if you not married. Do you realize 2 cohabiting people can both get a house in their name? W/out marriage certificate!
http://money.com/money/3923385/buying-house-not-married/
So that means that couple you know that been 2gether 26 years and never legally married, they still have the option of getting their house in each others name. You dont have to be married to do that.
So now lets say 2 people never marry and they both get a house in their name together. If they ever break up guess what.....they still have to go to court over the property they share.
Just cuz you married dont me you have to both get a house together in yall name.
No no no. It is a misconception that the same house goes to the woman.
If a man gets a house in his name, then finds a wife and gets married and never puts her name on it as well, then all assests aquired before********* marriage stays his.
Also even if you not married. Do you realize 2 cohabiting people can both get a house in their name? W/out marriage certificate!
http://money.com/money/3923385/buying-house-not-married/
So that means that couple you know that been 2gether 26 years and never legally married, they still have the option of getting their house in each others name. You dont have to be married to do that.
So now lets say 2 people never marry and they both get a house in their name together. If they ever break up guess what.....they still have to go to court over the property they share.
Just cuz you married dont me you have to both get a house together in yall name.
That's the only way to do it, never get a marriage license.
You do not need a marriage license to get married. You can set up terms of a split or how to divide assets in a tenants in common agreement or something similar.
No no no. It is a misconception that the same house goes to the woman.
If a man gets a house in his name, then finds a wife and gets married and never puts her name on it as well, then all assests aquired before********* marriage stays his.
Also even if you not married. Do you realize 2 cohabiting people can both get a house in their name? W/out marriage certificate!
http://money.com/money/3923385/buying-house-not-married/
So that means that couple you know that been 2gether 26 years and never legally married, they still have the option of getting their house in each others name. You dont have to be married to do that.
So now lets say 2 people never marry and they both get a house in their name together. If they ever break up guess what.....they still have to go to court over the property they share.
Just cuz you married dont me you have to both get a house together in yall name.
https://info.legalzoom.com/husbands-rights-house-divorce-20681.html
Set up terms of a split......such as?
Ok 2 unmarried people both get a joint bank account. Both names on the house.
What terms do you draw up? If it is a bitter break up no one gonna want to abide by the terms and also as conditions change so do the terms.
Someone flat out is gonna walk away with that house. Unless yall both agree to sell it and sell it at the same price. So what terms?
That sound good till you analyze it.
That's Fuzzy McCrazy there. Since,his hyper-religious schtick didn't work,he's on the feminist bandwagon now....
Got it
yes I need to research it further
i think having those terms in place before, instead of the gov deciding when you can see your kids is better
we drive cars knowing if I get into an accident, I'll pay ____ for the deductible, my rental is covered, etc etc
women have a great advantage in the family courts, so men just need to ways to protect themselves to even things out
I don't have any children and have never been married but it would greatly affect me if a bitter woman and a judge ordered when/how I could see my kids
Honestly all the benefits people have listed wouldn't be worth it if that was a potential outcome
Women have advantage in family court because of the social dynamic that men are supposed to take care of women and women are suppose to care for the children generally speaking.
But maybe people should rethink or really think about WHY theyre getting married in the first place. I've posted this before:
I think the concept of marriage of the modern era should definitely be rethought. Long before the romantic idea of marriage..the concept was always as part of some business arrangement..either for alliance or more land etc. The romantic notion of a man and woman getting married purely for love has always been secondary if considered at all for MOST of the history of marriage.
Back a few decades ago if people got married for business reasons...ie healthcare or career goal purposes, green card or even as beards and skirts people called those "marriages of convenience" and looked down on people for doing that...but those unions are at least honest and upfront about WHY they are doing it (at least to each other). Romantic interests can wane...shit you got the groom saying I do while looking at the bridesmaid he wants to fuck in a broom closet after the ceremony. That means he's not taking what he's doing seriously..who's fault is that???
Both parties have a responsibility as well to what they bring to the marriage and expectation and ideas..
A lot of people go into a relationship making all kinds of promises and implied promises then act the fool once the wedding is over. Cats are talking bout yeah the women are happy after divorce because they leave with "bag of money" as if the man is the innocent victim in all of this.
What they fail to realize is that wedding ceremony is a public declaration of the terms of the marriage contract. The vows specify the conditions of your relationship.
Pastor to Groom -- Do you promise to love, to cherish, to honor to protect, forsaking all others, in sickness as well as in health. In adversity as well as in prosperity. For better or for worse, and to cleave only to her so long as you both shall live?
The vows are a CONTRACT, a VERBAL AGREEMENT, a PUBLIC PLEDGE and the bolded words are specific details that spell out your responsibilities to your spouse...this is why a WITNESS must be present. This is why God is mentioned as the one who you making these promises under.
And the problem in our society is that cats think that those vows are just a lip service formality and they're still free to do whatever they want as long as they financially take care of the woman. If you go into business with someone and you have a CONTRACT that spell out both your specific responsibilities to the partnership and the other person VIOLATES EVEN ONE OF THE TERMS OF THE CONTRACT you can SUE them for that and get monetary compensation for the BREACH.
Thats what american divorce is. Thats what ALIMONY is. Its a LEGAL proceeding to determine who violated their agreement and how the injured party should be COMPENSATED for that violation of their CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS.
Now thats the LEGAL aspect..the other is simply...a man's word is suppose to be his bond. Thats called honor. As Omar put it. "A man's gotta have a code.."
If she violates the terms of the deal you can divorce her..not all divorces end with alimony going to her.
People need to understand that getting married is as serious as getting divorced.
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I don't have a dog in this fight, but I think you're not taking into account that there are a lot of men who don't want to get married, but don't want kids either. As for others, I can't speak for them.
A title I have to agree with. I didn't watch the vids. Add to that they disdain marriage but freak out if a black woman marries a white or other non-black man while they are encouraging other black men, especially wealthy men, to avoid marriage like the plague.
Fine. Dont wanna get married dont want kids. I can respect that. I can respect someone that wants to get married and dont want kids.
What i have a issue with is the men that advise men that want children not to get married.
That is the issue im having. Big time.
These guys aren't only advising men that dont want kids to not get married. But advising men* not to get married.
100% of kids deserve to grow up with both biological parents.
Ok. I see where you're coming from.
Great great points here.
Marriage is a business contract.
That contract doesn't look that great For Men if it's a possibility he loses half of everything, his kids and has to pay alimony.
Both parties need to protect themselves going in especially Men
I've read or heard somewhere women start 70% of all divorces.
Why is that? Many know in the back of their mind they'll be taken care of financially in the divorce
I would rather have all the terms clearly stated before bitterness, emotions and lawyers get involved
I hope to get married and have children one day
Private marriage and a thorough discussion of this is probably the route I'll decide to take
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