Gee, Oprah was a goddess just a decade ago.
So now Oprah is the devil, but ya man is still a God?
TV: The Story Behind Leaving Neverland, the Michael Jackson Documentary That Stunned Sundance UPDATE! Lawsuit against HBO proceeds 2023!?
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Gee, Oprah was a goddess just a decade ago.
So now Oprah is the devil, but ya man is still a God?
Fuck man
Hbo airing part 2 now
Its almost over
I got a serious question about this Wade situation. He claims MJ starts fucking around with him when he was 7 and it lasted til he was 14. In the story he says he had a growth spurt when he was a teenager and was 5'11 and quote was taller than Jackson. MJ weighed all of 140 soaking wet. At 14 wasn't he physically able to stop him and or fuck him up or at least tell him no more or something. I remember when I was 14 and there is no way a man who was molesting me from age 7 would still do that to me when I was physically bigger than him or close to his size. Isn't 14 a high schooler? That shit right there makes no sense. I think people are overlooking that aspect that 12-15 years boys aren't naive babies,they know that shit ain't cool and ain't down for it.
Oprah Winfrey on Michael Jackson and Leaving Neverland: 'Sexual abuse is sexual seduction'
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March 04, 2019 at 11:46 PM EST
Oprah Winfrey assembled an audience of 100 men and women whom she said were victims of sexual abuse for a post-Leaving Neverland special on Monday because “this moment transcends Michael Jackson. It’s much bigger than any one person.”
In After Neverland that aired on HBO and OWN, Winfrey said Director Dan Reed achieved in his four-hour miniseries what she tried to accomplish in 217 episodes of her eponymous talk show — the misconception about the kind of abuse endured by James Safechuck and Wade Robson at the hands of Michael Jackson.
The two-part documentary that began on Sunday and ended Monday night focused on Robson, now 36, and Safechuck, now 40, and their experiences with Jackson at the ages of 7 and 10, respectively. The Jackson estate has called the film “the kind of tabloid character assassination Michael Jackson endured in life, and now in death.” They are suing the premium cable channel, claiming it will “constitute a breach of a non-disparagement clause” from a previous contract.
“Sexual abuse is not just abuse, it’s sexual seduction,” Winfrey said at the start of the hour-long special. “It’s like a scourge on humanity. And it’s happening right now in families. We know its happening in churches, and schools and sports teams everywhere.”
“He told me it was love,” added Robson, who participated in the special with Safechuck and Reed. “He told me that he loved me and that God brought us together. Michael was God to me.”
Besides interviewing Robson and Safechuck, Winfrey called upon abuse victims in the audience to speak about their experiences. Among them was actor Anthony Edwards (ER), who said he was molested at the age of 14. “[What] you guys so beautifully represented here is that thing that happens to a young psyche who has allowed a person to become their everything. That person is your whole life,” Edwards said. “That person is inspiring, he was a mentor to me. The feeling was if I was to tell the truth, it would all shatter.”
Here are some of the highlights of the special:
On whether Robson believes he is owed money by the Jackson estate: “It isn’t a thought of mine. That’s the legal system. In what other scenario is the estate, Michael’s company going to have to listen? A big piece for me is that Michael trained me and forced me to tell the lie for so many years, particularly on the stand. So the feeling I want is the opportunity to re-process that experience. I want to get on the stand again. Now I’m able to tell the truth.”
Why Reed didn’t get a comment from the estate for the documentary: “No one in the family disputes that Michael spent night after night with little boys. The issue is what happened when the bedroom door closed and when the lights went off. What happened between Wade and Michael and James and Michael? What is the journalistic value of interviewing someone who says Michael is a nice guy when that person has a gigantic financial interest in smearing these two men and discrediting them?”
Why Robson continued to spend time with Jackson after he was abused: “I had no understanding of it being abuse. I loved Michael. All the times that I testified and many many times I gushed over him publicly in interviews, that was from a real place. While never forgetting any of the sexual details that happened between us but having no understanding that it was abuse…anything that Michael did was right to me for so many years.”
Why Robson went on the witness stand and defended Jackson: “I know this now; I couldn’t even question Michael. If I was to question Michael and my story with my Michael, it would mean I would have to question everything in my life. It wasn’t even an option to think about it. Michael was good. That was all that existed in my mind.”
Why Safechuck couldn’t testify: “I did not testify thinking I was doing something good. I was afraid of being caught. It was on the news 24/7. There was so much attention on it in the world. I didn’t think of it as good or bad. It was that old wiring that if you get caught, your life would be over. It was self-preservation.”
How Jackson began grooming victims like Robson and Safechuck: “The grooming began long before we ever met him” explained Robson. “He was such a massive figure and represented himself as such an angel and I didn’t have a childhood. I love children so much; that’s why I love children so much. I want other children to have a childhood. So long before ever meeting him for the first time, so much has been set up already.”
How Jackson would manipulate the boys: “He would do that a lot, cry,” said Safechuck. “He would put on what I now see as an act that he felt too much and he would cry for you, or he would cry because he’s so lonely. You want to be there for him.”
Why Robson’s mother Joy could not listen to her son detail the abuse he endured at the hands of Jackson: “Joy asked me to fast forward through it,” Reed told Winfrey. “She couldn’t handle it. It would be too much for her. She wasn’t ready to hear it.” Safechuck, in the meantime, said he has yet to fully process how his mom heard the details for the first time. “I think I shut off when I was watching with her … I think I still need to go back and revisit that.”
Robson’s earliest impression of Jackson: “At 7, I was afraid he was going to turn into the werewolf from Thriller. You know what I mean? That’s where I was. That’s the Michael I knew.”
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LYNETTE RICE this link opens in a new tab
March 04, 2019 at 11:46 PM EST
Oprah Winfrey assembled an audience of 100 men and women whom she said were victims of sexual abuse for a post-Leaving Neverland special on Monday because “this moment transcends Michael Jackson. It’s much bigger than any one person.”
In After Neverland that aired on HBO and OWN, Winfrey said Director Dan Reed achieved in his four-hour miniseries what she tried to accomplish in 217 episodes of her eponymous talk show — the misconception about the kind of abuse endured by James Safechuck and Wade Robson at the hands of Michael Jackson.
The two-part documentary that began on Sunday and ended Monday night focused on Robson, now 36, and Safechuck, now 40, and their experiences with Jackson at the ages of 7 and 10, respectively. The Jackson estate has called the film “the kind of tabloid character assassination Michael Jackson endured in life, and now in death.” They are suing the premium cable channel, claiming it will “constitute a breach of a non-disparagement clause” from a previous contract.
“Sexual abuse is not just abuse, it’s sexual seduction,” Winfrey said at the start of the hour-long special. “It’s like a scourge on humanity. And it’s happening right now in families. We know its happening in churches, and schools and sports teams everywhere.”
“He told me it was love,” added Robson, who participated in the special with Safechuck and Reed. “He told me that he loved me and that God brought us together. Michael was God to me.”
Besides interviewing Robson and Safechuck, Winfrey called upon abuse victims in the audience to speak about their experiences. Among them was actor Anthony Edwards (ER), who said he was molested at the age of 14. “[What] you guys so beautifully represented here is that thing that happens to a young psyche who has allowed a person to become their everything. That person is your whole life,” Edwards said. “That person is inspiring, he was a mentor to me. The feeling was if I was to tell the truth, it would all shatter.”
Here are some of the highlights of the special:
On whether Robson believes he is owed money by the Jackson estate: “It isn’t a thought of mine. That’s the legal system. In what other scenario is the estate, Michael’s company going to have to listen? A big piece for me is that Michael trained me and forced me to tell the lie for so many years, particularly on the stand. So the feeling I want is the opportunity to re-process that experience. I want to get on the stand again. Now I’m able to tell the truth.”
Why Reed didn’t get a comment from the estate for the documentary: “No one in the family disputes that Michael spent night after night with little boys. The issue is what happened when the bedroom door closed and when the lights went off. What happened between Wade and Michael and James and Michael? What is the journalistic value of interviewing someone who says Michael is a nice guy when that person has a gigantic financial interest in smearing these two men and discrediting them?”
Why Robson continued to spend time with Jackson after he was abused: “I had no understanding of it being abuse. I loved Michael. All the times that I testified and many many times I gushed over him publicly in interviews, that was from a real place. While never forgetting any of the sexual details that happened between us but having no understanding that it was abuse…anything that Michael did was right to me for so many years.”
Why Robson went on the witness stand and defended Jackson: “I know this now; I couldn’t even question Michael. If I was to question Michael and my story with my Michael, it would mean I would have to question everything in my life. It wasn’t even an option to think about it. Michael was good. That was all that existed in my mind.”
Why Safechuck couldn’t testify: “I did not testify thinking I was doing something good. I was afraid of being caught. It was on the news 24/7. There was so much attention on it in the world. I didn’t think of it as good or bad. It was that old wiring that if you get caught, your life would be over. It was self-preservation.”
How Jackson began grooming victims like Robson and Safechuck: “The grooming began long before we ever met him” explained Robson. “He was such a massive figure and represented himself as such an angel and I didn’t have a childhood. I love children so much; that’s why I love children so much. I want other children to have a childhood. So long before ever meeting him for the first time, so much has been set up already.”
How Jackson would manipulate the boys: “He would do that a lot, cry,” said Safechuck. “He would put on what I now see as an act that he felt too much and he would cry for you, or he would cry because he’s so lonely. You want to be there for him.”
Why Robson’s mother Joy could not listen to her son detail the abuse he endured at the hands of Jackson: “Joy asked me to fast forward through it,” Reed told Winfrey. “She couldn’t handle it. It would be too much for her. She wasn’t ready to hear it.” Safechuck, in the meantime, said he has yet to fully process how his mom heard the details for the first time. “I think I shut off when I was watching with her … I think I still need to go back and revisit that.”
Robson’s earliest impression of Jackson: “At 7, I was afraid he was going to turn into the werewolf from Thriller. You know what I mean? That’s where I was. That’s the Michael I knew.”
BGOL in the Netflix Doc thread: Any grown man that asks to sleep alone with your preteen daughter is an obvious pedophile.
Also BGOL in this thread: There is absolutely nothing wrong with Mike asking to sleep alone with your preteen son. 100% he’s not a pedophile.
Also BGOL in this thread: There is absolutely nothing wrong with Mike asking to sleep alone with your preteen son. 100% he’s not a pedophile.
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Gee, Oprah was a goddess just a decade ago.
So now Oprah is the devil, but ya man is still a God?
Let it go fam. You gonna be salty about Obama the rest of your life?
This, and even Safechuck's mom.
Too calm about the whole thing. Reliving the good times.
Michael Jackson
Michael Jackson (1958-2009) was a famous singer and entertainer. Between 1993 and 1994 and separately between 2004 and 2005, Jackson was investigated by California law enforcement agencies for possible child molestation. He was acquitted of all such charges. The FBI provided technical and investigative assistance to these agencies during the cases. The Bureau also investigated threats made against Mr. Jackson and others by an individual who was later imprisoned for these crimes. These investigations occurred between 1992 and 2005.
https://vault.fbi.gov/Michael Jackson
Michael Jackson (1958-2009) was a famous singer and entertainer. Between 1993 and 1994 and separately between 2004 and 2005, Jackson was investigated by California law enforcement agencies for possible child molestation. He was acquitted of all such charges. The FBI provided technical and investigative assistance to these agencies during the cases. The Bureau also investigated threats made against Mr. Jackson and others by an individual who was later imprisoned for these crimes. These investigations occurred between 1992 and 2005.
https://vault.fbi.gov/Michael Jackson
I aint watch NONE of those documentaries... and I believe MJ as soon as he passed thier king elvis...
all of a sudden them rumors started...
everytime you shatter their paradigm they want to imprison you...
from Jack johnson to mike jackson.. its the insecure species way of putting you
back on the plantation.. back in your place...
MJ was getting love like he was a king or pope... GLOBALLY plus that sony catalog..
the only problem with MJ is, his love fo crackers made if very easy for him to get set up...
all of a sudden them rumors started...
everytime you shatter their paradigm they want to imprison you...
from Jack johnson to mike jackson.. its the insecure species way of putting you
back on the plantation.. back in your place...
MJ was getting love like he was a king or pope... GLOBALLY plus that sony catalog..
the only problem with MJ is, his love fo crackers made if very easy for him to get set up...
Another thing. mike paid millions in 93 to settle a molestation case. Now, you would think he would say after paying millions, he wouldn’t even let young boys in his house. But he went right back to sleeping alone with pre-teen boys.
You don’t do that unless you have a problem. Mike had a problem (many really). Blind support just enabled his behavior. He needed an intervention not plea copping.
You don’t do that unless you have a problem. Mike had a problem (many really). Blind support just enabled his behavior. He needed an intervention not plea copping.
Also remember in that Netflix doc, the molester always said he never did it, and the girl denied she was ever molested until she was an adult. She denied it for years.
She testified to the FBI she wasn’t molested. So does that mean we believe that man also?
She testified to the FBI she wasn’t molested. So does that mean we believe that man also?
MJ was an anomaly. He did not have a normal childhood. Matter of fact, he pretty much didn't get to enjoy childhood in the way the average kid would. I don't think even for a second that he molested kids. I do think that he revered their freedom and innocence - as something priceless that he didn't get to have himself in the same way. You could see it manifested to its fullest when he had children of his own - the way his face lit up when he was with them or spoke of them.
Michael was a very different kind of guy. Out of his extreme uniqueness came amazing musical and dancing ability.
He was in a class by himself. This is the nature of things. Many of our greatest creators were also what many would view as extremely unusual in some regard.
It is that quality plus a heightened sensitivity and awareness that enables them to make things that are new, fresh, different multilayered and beautiful.
All that you said is on point. White folks fear our excellence and power. They feel insecure standing next to our soul and creativity.
Then, when we assume extreme economic power, we become Public Enemy #1.
Also fuck Oprah Winfrey. I'm not even on the "I'm victimized by Black women" bandwagon.
She has repeatedly shown a disdain and disloyalty for Black men through the years - unless they fit her twisted lens of "respectability".
I hope social media continues to properly drag her miserable ass through the mud.
i see it like this...
corey feldman and macauley mckaulkin stated he didn't do the shit. and i'm satisfied with their response.... cause u know those two snitched on EVERYBODY
corey feldman and macauley mckaulkin stated he didn't do the shit. and i'm satisfied with their response.... cause u know those two snitched on EVERYBODY
I agree I think MJ created neverland and a place for him to escape and try to recapture his youth...
and he lived through the excitement children had when they were at his ranch...
I think he really was on some peter pan shit...never grow old shit...
whats the deal with oprah winfrey and social media draggin her throuh the mud did I miss something..
I do know she was tryin to come back out and say she was sexually molested by some uncle or someshit..
but her family members spoke out a few years back and was like.... enough is enough..
she was ruining innocent peoples names, just for her own personal gains..
I thought she paid them off because you aint hear about em anymore..
Apparently in response to Leaving Neverland this bitch made a show about sexual molestation where she interviewed those two dudes from that shitty documentary.
She had a studio audience of 100 sexual molestation survivors.
#MuteMichaelJackson has begun!! Radio stations in Quebec refuse to play his music now.
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I HATE mumble rap, but this shit was kinda hot
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