Yeah, as a kid I never mixed my fiction with reality, when I watched Rocky....I knew it was just a film. 'Cause in real life my favorite boxers as kid were Marvin Hagler, Sugar Ray Leonard, and Muhammad Ali.
How Ryan Coogler profoundly altered the racial subtext of the ROCKY series...
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I remember as a kid my parents took me over a white families house. I guess it was a play date or whatever the fuck they called them in the 80s. I couldn't have been more than 4, or 5. I remember like it happened 2 weeks ago. The mother asked me if I liked Rocky... I honestly thought she was talking about Rocky from the Flintstones, because I didn't know any other character by that name. It's one of those old, random memories I had floating up there, and the shit never registered until I read this shit. Bitch was trying to say something without saying it!!! Slick bitch.
if you want to see a racial pattern in it then you can say that black men gave rocky his life..
Rocky literally wasn't shit until...
* Apollo picks his name randomly and changes his life trajectory (Rocky 1 and 2)
*Clubber takes his title requiring Apollo to intercede in his life/career again by setting up the rematch and training him...(you got ME curious...) (Rocky 3)
*Apollo intercepts and takes his place in fighting Drago thus allowing Rocky to get revenge and win the cold war (Rocky 4)
*Mason Dixon gives him one last shot in his career (Rocky Balboa)
*Adonis seeks him out giving him a reason to keep on living and extending his legend/legacy (Creed)
* In REAL LIFE many of the key elements of the character (using meat as a heavy bag, runnin up the steps, fighting with a bad eye) are based on Joe Frazier's life. And Ryan Coogler approached him with the concept of Creed thus giving Stallone a boost in extending the Rocky franchise and even mo money mo money mo money!
At VERY important points in his life (and Stallone) if it weren't for black men Rocky literally wouldn't be shit.
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I liked the Rocky series for MOVIES, nothing more. I can see and acknowledge the racism that exists in the Rocky movies.
I don't think Adonis needed Rocky in order to beat Drago in Creed II. He just needed a better gameplan that fights him as a fighter. And technically the first gameplan on paper might work, of outpacing Drago as you see Drago tire in some of the earlier rounds. Ultimately fighting in closer range worked better to take away Drago's power won him the fight.
What I found funny was that Apollo got Rocky to fight like a Black and in Creed II Rocky got Adonis to fight "like a Mexican"
Also the writer talks about "films with black people that are not about black struggle", but what is defined as the "struggle" when you are considered upper class? Adonis wasn't broke, even when he lost his car in the first one transportation wasn't an issue that he needed to face cause he had money.
I don't think Adonis needed Rocky in order to beat Drago in Creed II. He just needed a better gameplan that fights him as a fighter. And technically the first gameplan on paper might work, of outpacing Drago as you see Drago tire in some of the earlier rounds. Ultimately fighting in closer range worked better to take away Drago's power won him the fight.
What I found funny was that Apollo got Rocky to fight like a Black and in Creed II Rocky got Adonis to fight "like a Mexican"
Also the writer talks about "films with black people that are not about black struggle", but what is defined as the "struggle" when you are considered upper class? Adonis wasn't broke, even when he lost his car in the first one transportation wasn't an issue that he needed to face cause he had money.
The rocky saga was told in full thru the first six films. In Rocky Balboa at the end after visiting Adrian's grave Rocky walks away and literally fades away. The movie ends with a tribute of fans running up the art museum steps and celebrations showing what the impact that character had. Rocky was DONE with his life at the end of the sixth movie. That ending was symmetrical. Mickey is gone, Apollo is gone, Adrian is gone and boxing's done with him..all the things that are important to his life is over...do we really need to see Rocky wither and die too? Stallone couldn't bring himself to end it like that that's why Rocky like the old cowboys..just fades away.
Coogler literally resurrected the character for his story. Going by the timeline of saga... Adonis Creed isn't an underdog in the same way that Rocky was. His issues are trying to become his own man, coming out from under a shadow he feels he's under and understanding where and who he comes from. Adonis shouldn't be concerned about Rocky's legacy. He shouldn't care who Rocky Balboa is beyond knowing the name and the fights.
Youre right..Adonis wasn't poor struggling he CHOSE to live that way..to imitate the life of Rocky at beginning of his journey so we see a replay of rocky's life thru Apollo's son... but Creeds children with his wife are absent (at least in Creed I haven't seen the 2nd flick yet). Adonis leaves his mother and his home and resources he has available to him in LA to find a family in Philly .Something's just not quite right about that.
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Will do!
Recently did a marathon with son who is 9 to prepare him to go watch Creed 2. Kept asking me why I wanted Clubber Lang to win
Good thing is he loved Apollo, later the week we watched predator said I thought Apollo died. Shit had me rolling.
Recently did a marathon with son who is 9 to prepare him to go watch Creed 2. Kept asking me why I wanted Clubber Lang to win
Good thing is he loved Apollo, later the week we watched predator said I thought Apollo died. Shit had me rolling.
Those movies aren't appropriate for a 9-year old!
If they keep this universe going I wonder if Clubber Lang had a son.
10 next month, curious to hear why not?
If you send your kids to school, best believe these movies have nothing a 10 year old hasn't seen, heard or is curious about.
I always picture Clubber Lang running into Rocky at an autograph show in Vegas & they strike up a friendship as they work out their differences.If they keep this universe going I wonder if Clubber Lang had a son.
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