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Bitcoin Plunges to $3,738; Whole Crypto Scam Melts Down, Hedge Funds Stuck

by Wolf Richter • Nov 25, 2018 • 154 Comments
$714 billion have gone up in smoke.

Bitcoin plunged to $3,738 at the moment. Down nearly 40% from two weeks ago, and down 81% from peak-mania of $20,078 on December 17, 2017. It’s back where it had first been on August 12, 2017. It looks like a magnificent bubble that is imploding, but “bubble” is a misnomer; it’s a magnificent scam, where people paid a lot of money – many billions of dollars – to get an essentially useless digital entity whose price then dissolved into where it had come from.

This chart via CoinMarketCap shows the drama of bitcoin’s market cap surge to $333 billion on December 17, 2017 and the collapse to $64.9 billion now:

US-crypto-bitcoin-2018-11-25.png


There are now 2,071 of these cryptos, according to CoinMarketCap, up from 1,926 when I last wrote about it on September 9, and up from 1,400 on January 17, 2018, and up from just a handful a few years ago. These cryptos are multiplying like rabbits.

And each of these cryptos, those that are still alive, is constantly adding new coins through “mining.” This mega-dilution impacts some serious real money.

Market cap for each crypto is figured by the current number of coins, multiplied by the current price. Since new coins are created all the time through mining, it also creates new market cap when the price is stable, and it covers up some of the damage on the way down.

In overall market cap terms, new cryptos are created all the time through initial coin offerings (ICOs) and other methods, and each of these adds new coins through mining. And the overall historic market cap is figured going backwards, based on today’s existing cryptos to arrive at a theoretical market cap at a date in the past.

Back in January 7, the actual market cap on that day for all cryptos combined was $704 billion, according to CoinMarketCap on January 7. Today, this market cap figure for January 7 has been inflated, by the process described above, to $833 billion. As of this morning, this market cap has plunged 86% to $116 billion. By this measure, $714 billion have gone up in smoke.

US-crypto-market-cap-2018-11-25.png


This has been an obvious scam that peaked in the period between the end of December 2017 and early January 2018 and has since collapsed. It was so obvious that even I could see it. And it’s not like I didn’t warn about this on the way up – and people who read these articles would have had plenty of time to get out while the getting was good. Here are some samples.

These articles attracted lots of crypto-trolls of which there was a nearly unlimited supply because that too is part of this scam: Everyone has to promote it.

Some of these promoters are paid, such as John McAfee who admitted in March that he charged $105,000 per crypto-promo tweet. That’s a lot of dough for a few seconds of work. Others did the promos for free, hoping to do their part to drive the prices of these 2,000-plus cryptos into the stratosphere.

Paid or not, a slew of them came to WOLF STREET’s comment section and cited intelligent-sounding gobbledygook “whitepapers,” made spurious arguments that were out of this world and defied gravity while claiming that the earth was flat or something. Plenty of them said nasty things. I blocked most of these comments because I didn’t want the comment section to become toxic. Some of them I let through to have a historical record about the nonsense spouted off by these promoters.

And for a while, some befuddled reporters in the MSM, in love with this “new technology” or whatever, supplied the super-horsepower needed to get the scam as far as it did last year.

Holdings of bitcoin are very concentrated among a relatively small number of large holders, such as bitcoin miners, hedge funds, and family offices. And many of these hedge funds and family offices, in their infinite wisdom piled into it late last year and then “leaked” the information that they had bought into it to create hype and drive up the price further. This was eagerly reported by the befuddled media.

But there is no liquidity in these cryptos. Just as these hedge-fund purchases last year caused prices to multiply due to lack of liquidity, efforts to get out from under these positions is causing the prices to collapse. In other words, these hedge funds and family offices are stuck, unless they want to cause the price to collapse further.

Here are the half-dozen largest cryptos by market cap, and their percent plunge since their respective peaks. These are among the most alive. Hundreds of cryptos have already died:

  1. Bitcoin (BTC): -81%
  2. Ripple (XRP): -91%
  3. Ethereum (ETH): -92.4%
  4. Bitcoin Cash (BCH): -96%
  5. EOS (EOS): -85% (I ripped its stupendous ICO last year)
  6. Stellar (XLM): -85%
Certainly, they will bounce again, as they have before, enough to give folks some hope, before they will re-collapse when some of the big money is gingerly trying to get out without totally crashing the entire space. But for anyone trying to get some money out of the crypto space, new money – dollars, euros, yen, won, etc. – must flow into the crypto space in the same amounts. And it’s going to be harder and harder to get people excited about throwing their money at this scam.
 
Bitches should have sold they shit

remember this:

December 17, 2017
The price of one bitcoin (BTC) reached a new all-time high of $19,783.06 early Sunday before dropping back below $19,500, according to Coindesk’s price index.

As of this writing, bitcoin’s price has risen more than 5% in 24 hours, and is up 1,824% since Jan. 1 of this year, when a single Bitcoin could be had for just under $1,000.

Bitcoin’s continued surge does track some positive news, including the expected activation of a bitcoin futures product from CME Group.
 
I had a thought the other day
Remember how BTC was mad cheap, years ago?
What if those prices are what it’s “level” actually should be? The “market correction” that people like to speak of
 
How many fuckin' bitcoin threads you gonna make ????

https://www.bgol.us/forum/threads/14-billion-wiped-out-of-crypto-market.1026604/


$14 Billion Wiped Out of Crypto Market as All Major Assets Plunge in Value


Over the past 24 hours, more than $14 billion has been wiped out of the crypto market as Bitcoin (BTC) dropped by five percent.

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Bitcoin, the most dominant cryptocurrency in the market in terms of price, market cap, and volume, demonstrated the smallest loss out of all major cryptocurrencies. Bitcoin Cash (BCH), Ethereum (ETH), Ripple (XRP), Stellar (XLM), Litecoin (LTC), EOS, and many other cryptocurrencies recorded losses in the range of 7 to 15 percent.

Why is Crypto Tanking?

Cryptocurrencies have been in a bear market since January 2018 and have not initiated a proper mid-term recovery since then.

The $6,000 level of BTC was well defended for more than six months and each time BTC dipped to the range of $5,800 to $6,200, it rebounded back to the mid-$6,000 region.

This week, as CCN reported, BTC had two possible scenarios: defend the $6,000 resistance level by turning it into a support level with strong short-term momentum or risk falling to the lower region of $5,000.

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“Based on current market conditions, a significant surge in the price of major cryptocurrencies is highly unlikely. But, a gradual increase in price due to the anticipation towards Bakkt until early December remains a possibility, especially if Bakkt gains traction among investors in the regulated US market,” the report read.


BTC was in a difficult position to eye a short-term breakout to $6,000 given its low volume and the intensity of the crypto market crash on November 15.

Hsaka, a cryptocurrency trader and technical analyst, said that in the days to come, a retest of $5,600 is likely, expecting a recovery from the low $6,300 mark.


“Could be forming a nifty little range here. Swept shortstops and tested range bottom. Swept long stops. Now if price can reclaim the zone around $5,400, a retest of $5,600s looks likely.”

As BTC, which maintained stability from August to November, dropped substantially against the US dollar, other major cryptocurrencies struggled to sustain momentum. Even Ripple, which experienced a decent 8 percent climb against the US dollar on November 18, fell by around 7 percent, deleting yesterday’s gains.

US Stock Market Struggles Not Helping

Major technology stocks like Nvidia have seen a drop in the range of 10 to 30 percent as the US markets started to demonstrate a lack of momentum.

CNBC reported that 25 percent of wealthy investors in the stock market believe the US market will see an end of its bull market.

“These are more experienced investors, sitting tight and staying the course. Any near-term noise is never a good idea to make wholesale changes. Over longer periods of times these events are less meaningful,” said Mike Loewengart, chief investment officer at E-Trade Capital Management.


The drop in the value of equities, stocks, and other traditional investment vehicles have fueled the drop of cryptocurrencies, which to the eyes of investors in the finance sector remain as high-risk, high-return trades.

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People are getting killed with the alts dying. Folks been buying bags of falling alts since the spring time. Icon at 21 cents. Still double the ICO, so people still winning with people thinking they getting it on sale. :smh: This game is fucking brutal.
 
The Imaginary Millionare Bitcoin army will be here shortly....Might as well pull up a chair and grab a snack
 
People are getting killed with the alts dying. Folks been buying bags of falling alts since the spring time. Icon at 21 cents. Still double the ICO, so people still winning with people thinking they getting it on sale. :smh: This game is fucking brutal.


Most scams are.
 
The Imaginary Millionare Bitcoin army will be here shortly....Might as well pull up a chair and grab a snack
BitchIllKillYa and his claims of thousands being made for his "children's college mon" …. has been strangely quiet and not visible in these threads now ….
:idea:

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The Imaginary Millionare Bitcoin army will be here shortly....Might as well pull up a chair and grab a snack
BitchIllKillYa and his claims of thousands being made for his "children's college money" …. has been strangely quiet and not visible in these threads now ….
:idea:

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People are getting killed with the alts dying. Folks been buying bags of falling alts since the spring time. Icon at 21 cents. Still double the ICO, so people still winning with people thinking they getting it on sale. :smh: This game is fucking brutal.

I knew that shit was a scam. Every week a new Alt coin popping up. Of course it was always some articles written about it to make it seem like the next best thing in the world. I joined some Crypto groups. Them shits literally have no posts in them now.
 
The Imaginary Millionare Bitcoin army will be here shortly....Might as well pull up a chair and grab a snack


Shit many of our fellow member "SAY" they made a killing, so it is what it is


Guess timing is everything...

I spend $270 the highest I saw gain was $700ish....

Just think if I spend $300 on Bitcoin now and it jumps....

But like many vets say, gotta use our play money not bill money
 
Shit many of our fellow member "SAY" they made a killing, so it is what it is


Guess timing is everything...

I spend $270 the highest I saw gain was $700ish....

Just think if I spend $300 on Bitcoin now and it jumps....

But like many vets say, gotta use our play money not bill money
what you did there, i see it.
 
I don't understand why anyone would waste their time speaking on/about a scam or people they don't personally know losing money. If it's not for you, state your case/opinion and move on. Clearly it is not as active but there are people who still post in the crypto thread.

The reality is if you had money to lose early last year you saw a major return. Bitcoin was only worth around 900 last year, so even at today's price you'd still be up. The days of massive returns may be over with but blockchain technology itself is still being tested by major companies/ institutions.

I hate to use cryptos favorite example but internet companies had a bubble too and some are performing to this day. For every Pets.com there may be an Amazon.

The issue with crypto isn't the price. It's the fact that most projects are still being developed and can't scale enough to be used yet. Down the road it will be a gimmick like VR ( PSVR), life changing like cellphones ( iPhone) or slowly fade away like Google Glass.
 
I knew that shit was a scam. Every week a new Alt coin popping up. Of course it was always some articles written about it to make it seem like the next best thing in the world. I joined some Crypto groups. Them shits literally have no posts in them now.

Peace BROTHER,

I wonder why?

Kats is distraught about this crypto-soin situation.
 
Peace BROTHER,

I wonder why?

Kats is distraught about this crypto-soin situation.


Neegus who have never traded a stock in they life was talking cash shit about Crypto currency. They had read so much shit about it and was pumping it as it was gone take over. I enjoyed following the rise of it and like I said wanted to get in for a little bit and get out but I'm glad I didn't. I just never understood where the money went, and how folks were gonna get they money back when it came down. The fact that no one knows who the originator of it is. There was nothing backing it. Folks argument is nothing is backing the US dollar.....bullshit what you think the Afghan war, drug war, and various government overthrows in countries before?
 
Top 500 #bitcoin addres activity have shown they are buying massive amounts during this sell off.



crypto is all about efficiency and money...which are 2 things the banks cant ignore. when you can trasnfer 50 million dollars at a cost of less than a dollar......crypto isnt going anywhere, its being manipulated so the corporate interestes can buy up cheap btc before they sky rocket it.

i cant tell who here know anything about strategy...this is a basic strategic move. Everything in life must evolve including the financial sector...it has happened to every aspect of our lives....so too will it happen in the financial sector.
just a few examples:


industrial manufacturing = robots taking over jobs
postal delivery = email
music = b track > cassette>cd> digital
retail = sear>walmart> amazon
 
People are getting killed with the alts dying. Folks been buying bags of falling alts since the spring time. Icon at 21 cents. Still double the ICO, so people still winning with people thinking they getting it on sale. :smh: This game is fucking brutal.
Only thing keeping me happy is Wagerr. Started placing bets again after this recent market drop. Said fuck I might bet a significant amount of the bag since I can buy in cheap anyway.Was betting 5k WGR bags and so far this week made a little over $1K by betting. They just released a sneak peek of their new roadmap. HTML wallet will be here within next three months and they'll be scaling for more betting volume.
 
Wonder if merchants starting to accept BC had anything to do with its fail.

Fed Reserve ain't letting no one fuck wit the dollar.
 
Top 500 #bitcoin addres activity have shown they are buying massive amounts during this sell off.



crypto is all about efficiency and money...which are 2 things the banks cant ignore. when you can trasnfer 50 million dollars at a cost of less than a dollar......crypto isnt going anywhere, its being manipulated so the corporate interestes can buy up cheap btc before they sky rocket it.

i cant tell who here know anything about strategy...this is a basic strategic move. Everything in life must evolve including the financial sector...it has happened to every aspect of our lives....so too will it happen in the financial sector.
just a few examples:


industrial manufacturing = robots taking over jobs
postal delivery = email
music = b track > cassette>cd> digital
retail = sear>walmart> amazon


During this price drop I've noticed that egifter has been offering special deals on gift cards bought with crypto.
 
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Bitcoin Plunges to $3,738; Whole Crypto Scam Melts Down, Hedge Funds Stuck

by Wolf Richter • Nov 25, 2018 • 154 Comments
$714 billion have gone up in smoke.

Bitcoin plunged to $3,738 at the moment. Down nearly 40% from two weeks ago, and down 81% from peak-mania of $20,078 on December 17, 2017. It’s back where it had first been on August 12, 2017. It looks like a magnificent bubble that is imploding, but “bubble” is a misnomer; it’s a magnificent scam, where people paid a lot of money – many billions of dollars – to get an essentially useless digital entity whose price then dissolved into where it had come from.

This chart via CoinMarketCap shows the drama of bitcoin’s market cap surge to $333 billion on December 17, 2017 and the collapse to $64.9 billion now:

US-crypto-bitcoin-2018-11-25.png


There are now 2,071 of these cryptos, according to CoinMarketCap, up from 1,926 when I last wrote about it on September 9, and up from 1,400 on January 17, 2018, and up from just a handful a few years ago. These cryptos are multiplying like rabbits.

And each of these cryptos, those that are still alive, is constantly adding new coins through “mining.” This mega-dilution impacts some serious real money.

Market cap for each crypto is figured by the current number of coins, multiplied by the current price. Since new coins are created all the time through mining, it also creates new market cap when the price is stable, and it covers up some of the damage on the way down.

In overall market cap terms, new cryptos are created all the time through initial coin offerings (ICOs) and other methods, and each of these adds new coins through mining. And the overall historic market cap is figured going backwards, based on today’s existing cryptos to arrive at a theoretical market cap at a date in the past.

Back in January 7, the actual market cap on that day for all cryptos combined was $704 billion, according to CoinMarketCap on January 7. Today, this market cap figure for January 7 has been inflated, by the process described above, to $833 billion. As of this morning, this market cap has plunged 86% to $116 billion. By this measure, $714 billion have gone up in smoke.

US-crypto-market-cap-2018-11-25.png


This has been an obvious scam that peaked in the period between the end of December 2017 and early January 2018 and has since collapsed. It was so obvious that even I could see it. And it’s not like I didn’t warn about this on the way up – and people who read these articles would have had plenty of time to get out while the getting was good. Here are some samples.

These articles attracted lots of crypto-trolls of which there was a nearly unlimited supply because that too is part of this scam: Everyone has to promote it.

Some of these promoters are paid, such as John McAfee who admitted in March that he charged $105,000 per crypto-promo tweet. That’s a lot of dough for a few seconds of work. Others did the promos for free, hoping to do their part to drive the prices of these 2,000-plus cryptos into the stratosphere.

Paid or not, a slew of them came to WOLF STREET’s comment section and cited intelligent-sounding gobbledygook “whitepapers,” made spurious arguments that were out of this world and defied gravity while claiming that the earth was flat or something. Plenty of them said nasty things. I blocked most of these comments because I didn’t want the comment section to become toxic. Some of them I let through to have a historical record about the nonsense spouted off by these promoters.

And for a while, some befuddled reporters in the MSM, in love with this “new technology” or whatever, supplied the super-horsepower needed to get the scam as far as it did last year.

Holdings of bitcoin are very concentrated among a relatively small number of large holders, such as bitcoin miners, hedge funds, and family offices. And many of these hedge funds and family offices, in their infinite wisdom piled into it late last year and then “leaked” the information that they had bought into it to create hype and drive up the price further. This was eagerly reported by the befuddled media.

But there is no liquidity in these cryptos. Just as these hedge-fund purchases last year caused prices to multiply due to lack of liquidity, efforts to get out from under these positions is causing the prices to collapse. In other words, these hedge funds and family offices are stuck, unless they want to cause the price to collapse further.

Here are the half-dozen largest cryptos by market cap, and their percent plunge since their respective peaks. These are among the most alive. Hundreds of cryptos have already died:

  1. Bitcoin (BTC): -81%
  2. Ripple (XRP): -91%
  3. Ethereum (ETH): -92.4%
  4. Bitcoin Cash (BCH): -96%
  5. EOS (EOS): -85% (I ripped its stupendous ICO last year)
  6. Stellar (XLM): -85%
Certainly, they will bounce again, as they have before, enough to give folks some hope, before they will re-collapse when some of the big money is gingerly trying to get out without totally crashing the entire space. But for anyone trying to get some money out of the crypto space, new money – dollars, euros, yen, won, etc. – must flow into the crypto space in the same amounts. And it’s going to be harder and harder to get people excited about throwing their money at this scam.

If you know for certain that this is a scam then who's behind it and how does it work?
 
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