Trump is trying to change that.
Trump looking to change the constitution now and end birthright citizenship
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Trump is trying to change that.
That's why he's trying to go around the constitution. Executive orders won't work, but there's plenty of other ways.
You can't go around it on constitutional amendments. That's the point. There aren't "plenty of other ways". In order to do this, you would need to repeal the 14th Amendment.
It would need to be first passed by Congress and then ruled on by the Supreme Court. This is NO OTHER WAY.
What they're trying to do is make this a topic of argument before the midterms because immigration is a winning issue for the GOP. The Trump Administration absolutely knows you can't do this through executive order, but that won't stop everyone from debating it and that's a win for them before the midterms.
Did they need to repeal or change amendments to take away a felon's right to vote or bear arms? Same thing applies here
Look at some of these mofokrs here talking about anchor babies and why you shouldn't be a citizen like they fukkn citizens.
mofokrs three breaths short of sayin we sick..
how many bubbles that bar of soap make? yessum, that's a good test boss.
mofokrs three breaths short of sayin we sick..
how many bubbles that bar of soap make? yessum, that's a good test boss.
They are one state short of being able to call a constitutional convention and 5 states short of being able to ratify the changes..
Exactly, this is their rile up and get the vote out subject along witgh the fear of the invading hoards from central america...
MS 13 is coming to rape your daughters and murder your menz
Dude, this has been multiple times. You should understand things when you debate them with me. You're misunderstanding state vs federal gun restoration laws. Birthright is purely a constitutional issue. And some felons not having access to guns SUPPORTS my argument. It wasn't done through executive order. It was legislation passed by Congress with the Gun Control Act and then taken to the Courts.
But they're way behind in several gubernatorial races. We need to revisit that after the midterms.
Agreed,
but that's the importance of not overlooking state elections and midterms since there are always state houses up for grabs during them
If there is one good thing that has become of this Trump shit, it's that Dems seem to have really understood that non-presidental elections matter.
Accusing countries of planting chips in server components or claiming you are inudated with immigrants when the conditions here are deplorable. Another one is intellectual property theft, the U.S. is the biggest thief based on personal experience. These are psychological tactics to trick you into believing there are not backdoors in their IT products or the conditions here are desirable.
It is an implicit denial of something you can not claim.
It is an implicit denial of something you can not claim.
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what's the data on this? How many of these are happening every year?
he just be talking man
Dude. If you listened half as much as you talked you'd be twice as smart and these exchanges would be ten times shorter.
This dude is a national emergency. Whether he manages to make this happen somehow or not via SC the incalculable damage he's doing to our institutions, alliances and very sense of what it means to be American won't be fully understood until years later.
Umfortunately the folks who mimimize or dismiss this damage (or even more ridiculously support it) will never own up to their short-sightedness. This shit is honestly depressing af.
Umfortunately the folks who mimimize or dismiss this damage (or even more ridiculously support it) will never own up to their short-sightedness. This shit is honestly depressing af.
And there is already Supreme Court precedent on this issue. The GOP challenged this in 1982 and the Supreme Court ruled that children of even undocumented immigrated are covered under the 14th Amendment. To bring this up right before the midterms when the narrative was running away from the GOP is a clear tactical move by Trump to control a media cycle leading up to the midterms.
Trump's comment doesn't differentiate between a person born of two non-citizens or one. Whenever 45 makes an open ended comment it's best to interpret its worst possible meaning.
It's not even fucking fair anymore the way he manipulates the media. Emotional asses.
They serious as fuck addressing it. Firing up their computers trying to type some profound shit to post it on their respective news sites. That's the reaction he wants and always gets.
This shit is really absurd.
I have no issues with them interpreting the 14th amendment to strip away the citizenship of anchor babies. The 14th amendment was brought to protect black people from the confederate states, not for pregnant illegals to give birth the second they step over the border.
This has Stephen Miller and Steve Bannon written all over it. Regardless of whether or not he can do it, the point is to get people comfortable with the idea. His base is supposedly full of all these strict federalist and constitutionalist people, but they are so crazy they will start to embrace this idea also. Simply having dems against something is enough to get his base out demanding whatever it is dems don't want.
Definitely. Agree with all of this.
Absolutely. This isn't just a distraction to manage the media cycle (although that's def a part if it). It's also a trial baloon tactic which this admin engages in time and time again. It's a way to widen the scope of acceptable mainstream political discourse to now include heretofore unthinkable ideas. Overton's Window and all that.
Really hate this line of thinking. It would affect tons of other folks who aren't "illegal" as well. The notion that you'd be comfortable with this just bc it fucks undocumented immigrants speaks to what an amazing job the far right wing has done of propagating hate against this one group no matter the social, economic or moral costs of their vitriol.
Even that's not accurate. After it's passed by Congress, it has to be approved by 3/4ths (38 states out of 50) of the state legislatures across the country for it to be ratified. There are proposed amendments that are still open but will most likely never get ratified.
Yeah because stuff he says should be assigned the highest value given his history of making the best statements.
See if you can find any old mixtapes while you pulling shit outta your ass.
I'm saying that when he makes an open ended statement take it at its worst possible meaning. Where the hell are you getting this "assigned the highest value" garbage from?
I don't think you would need to do a full ratification. That's why I mentioned the Gun Control Act in the other example of dealing with an amendment. They could address it legislatively through Congress and the Supreme Court without a full ratification....though I think precedent would be an issue (that's why I mentioned the 1982 challenge).
Okay, you were clearly just baiting me. Won't fall for it again
Baiting you into what?
Every thread you talk authoritatively, get proven wrong, and continue to go on and on instead of just peeping game and learning something.
I just said shit down somewhere because talking to muhfuckas like you becomes exhausting really quickly.
Tis I who shouldn't fall for it.
Speaker Ryan: ‘You cannot end birthright citizenship with an executive order’
House Speaker Paul Ryan on Tuesday broke with President Donald Trump on whether an executive order could deny a constitutional guarantee of citizenship to babies born in the U.S. to noncitizen parents.
But despite Ryan's stern rebuttal to the president, the idea of limiting birthright citizenship still has significant cache among congressional Republicans, even if they aren't quite sure how to undo a constitutional guarantee stemming from the 14th Amendment.
Trump told Axios in an interview released Tuesday that the White House counsel had advised him that there was legal standing to terminate birthright citizenship, and Vice President Mike Pence confirmed that the administration was looking into using executive action as well.
Ryan said that the president "obviously cannot do that" in an interview with Kentucky talk radio station WVLK.
“You cannot end birthright citizenship with an executive order," he said. "As a conservative, I’m a believer in following the plain text of the Constitution, and I think in this case the 14th Amendment is pretty clear, and that would involve a very, very lengthy constitutional process. But where we obviously totally agree with the president is getting at the root issue here, which is unchecked illegal immigration.”
https://www.politico.com/story/2018...ht-citizenship-with-an-executive-order-949387
House Speaker Paul Ryan on Tuesday broke with President Donald Trump on whether an executive order could deny a constitutional guarantee of citizenship to babies born in the U.S. to noncitizen parents.
But despite Ryan's stern rebuttal to the president, the idea of limiting birthright citizenship still has significant cache among congressional Republicans, even if they aren't quite sure how to undo a constitutional guarantee stemming from the 14th Amendment.
Trump told Axios in an interview released Tuesday that the White House counsel had advised him that there was legal standing to terminate birthright citizenship, and Vice President Mike Pence confirmed that the administration was looking into using executive action as well.
Ryan said that the president "obviously cannot do that" in an interview with Kentucky talk radio station WVLK.
“You cannot end birthright citizenship with an executive order," he said. "As a conservative, I’m a believer in following the plain text of the Constitution, and I think in this case the 14th Amendment is pretty clear, and that would involve a very, very lengthy constitutional process. But where we obviously totally agree with the president is getting at the root issue here, which is unchecked illegal immigration.”
https://www.politico.com/story/2018...ht-citizenship-with-an-executive-order-949387
Every thread you take things that I say and wildly exaggerate them, or in this case just make shit up, to falsely imply that I worship Donald Trump. When I called this out you tried to paint me as a white supremacist who's only purpose is to shutter productive dialog amongst Black people.
Anyone who doesn't want to hear from me has already put me on ignore. I suggest you do the same.
Quit lying man
I just call you stupid when you stupid
And point out when you make trump dick riding statements
I guess these are our jobs now
Cut the shit. You invented a Trump dick riding statement right here in this thread. Your other claims against me are just as made up. Including the direct accusation of white supremacy/trolling you made in a Michael Cohen thread a few months ago. Did you really think I wouldn't notice?
It's funny, but these are the exact same tactics the alt-right use.
We are in these toogaytherrr
Lol.
Lol.
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