More fallout from Trump disaster us press conference
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"On October 2, 2016, US Person 1 sent an email to an acquaintance...
Within the Email, US Person 1 stated "Unrelated to specific presidential campaigns, I've been involved in securing a VERY private line of communication between the Kremlin and key POLITICAL PARTY 1 leaders through, of all conduits.. the {GUN RIGHTS ORGANIZATION}"!!!! PAge 11..
I wonder if US Person 1... was talking about Nader..
Also remember ....
I'm just going to leave this here for later.... Cause notice that US person one... doesn't specify who...
Jared Kushner gave a confusing explanation for his alleged 'back channel' plan with Russia
Natasha Bertrand
Jul. 24, 2017, 10:18 AM
President Donald Trump's son-in-law and senior adviser, Jared Kushner, denied in a statement Monday that he suggested setting up a "back channel" communication line to the Kremlin that would bypass US intelligence agencies and persist after Trump was inaugurated.
But Kushner acknowledged in the statement, which came ahead of a closed-door appearance before the Senate Intelligence Committee, that he asked Russia's ambassador to the US in December whether the Trump transition team could use Russia's embassy to communicate privately with Moscow about Syria.
The meeting with the ambassador, Sergey Kislyak, "occurred in Trump Tower, where we had our transition office, and lasted twenty [to] thirty minutes," Kushner wrote in an 11-page statement detailing his contacts with Russian nationals during the election and transition period.
"Lt. General Michael Flynn (Ret.), who became the President's National Security Advisor, also attended ... I stated our desire for a fresh start in relations."
Kushner said Kislyak, whose tenure in the US ended this past weekend, asked whether there was "a secure line in the transition office to conduct a conversation" about the US's Syria policy.
"General Flynn or I explained that there were no such lines," Kushner wrote. But he said he went on to ask whether the Russian Embassy "had an existing communications channel ... we could use where they would be comfortable transmitting the information they wanted to relay to General Flynn."
Kislyak said they didn't, according to Kushner, and "nothing else occurred."
"I did not suggest a 'secret back channel,'" he wrote. "I did not suggest an on-going secret form of communication for then or for when the administration took office. I did not raise the possibility of using the embassy or any other Russian facility for any purpose other than this one possible conversation in the transition period. We did not discuss sanctions."
Kushner's statement appears consistent with a Washington Post report published in May that said he had floated the possibility of setting up a secure line of communication between the Trump transition team and Russia — and having those talks take place in Russian diplomatic facilities in the US, essentially concealing their interactions from US government scrutiny.
According to The Post, Kislyak was "taken aback" by Kushner's request because it posed significant risks for both the Trump team and the Kremlin. But he passed along that request to Moscow anyway.
Kushner did not previously disclose the December meetings with Kislyak and the CEO of a Russian bank, Sergey Gorkov, on his security clearance form. He said in his statement that the form was submitted prematurely.
'A staggering lack of common sense'
Experts have said that if the Kushner-Kislyak meeting and reported discussion were an isolated incident, then it could be spun as normal back-channel communication arrangements among states.
But Kislyak and the Trump campaign interacted extensively, and Trump associates either kept those interactions secret from US officials or misrepresented them, as was the case with Flynn, who was forced to resign in February for similar reasons.
Scott Olson, a recently retired FBI agent who ran counterintelligence operations and spent more than 20 years at the bureau, told Business Insider in May that it was not unusual for low-level staffers to work between governments and bypass bureaucracy to exchange views and build consensus in advance of higher-level negotiations.
But what Kushner appears to have done is "substantially different, in two ways," he said.
"First, he is not seeking a back channel for a low-level staff exchange," Olson said. "He wants high-level direct-contact communication. This is extremely dangerous because it results in verbal (and therefore undocumented and unwitnessed) agreements, which are binding on governments. Free governments do not work this way. They can't. If they do, they are no longer free."
He added:
"Second, he asked to use a foreign government's communication facilities. This is way beyond a private server. This is doing US government diplomatic business over a foreign government's communication system. It's not an off-the-record conversation. It's a conversation recorded by the opposing party. This shows a staggering lack of understanding of the US and its place in the world. Actually, it shows a staggering lack of common sense. When he negotiates a business deal does he use the other guy's notes?"
It also struck many experts as odd that Flynn, Kushner, and Kislyak would want to conceal discussions about Syria from the US's national security and intelligence communities.
"Why in God's name would they want to conceal plans on Syria strategy from the US military?" asked Susan Hennessey, a former attorney for the National Security Agency. "Even accepting their Syria spin, what Kushner tried to do was blind the US government on incredibly important national security matters. That's not how it works. That's not the behavior of someone who recognizes America is still, at its core, a common endeavor."
http://www.businessinsider.com/jared-kushner-russia-back-channel-testimony-2017-7
"On October 2, 2016, US Person 1 sent an email to an acquaintance...
Within the Email, US Person 1 stated "Unrelated to specific presidential campaigns, I've been involved in securing a VERY private line of communication between the Kremlin and key POLITICAL PARTY 1 leaders through, of all conduits.. the {GUN RIGHTS ORGANIZATION}"!!!! PAge 11..
I wonder if US Person 1... was talking about Nader..
Also remember ....
I'm just going to leave this here for later.... Cause notice that US person one... doesn't specify who...
Jared Kushner gave a confusing explanation for his alleged 'back channel' plan with Russia
Natasha Bertrand
Jul. 24, 2017, 10:18 AM
President Donald Trump's son-in-law and senior adviser, Jared Kushner, denied in a statement Monday that he suggested setting up a "back channel" communication line to the Kremlin that would bypass US intelligence agencies and persist after Trump was inaugurated.
But Kushner acknowledged in the statement, which came ahead of a closed-door appearance before the Senate Intelligence Committee, that he asked Russia's ambassador to the US in December whether the Trump transition team could use Russia's embassy to communicate privately with Moscow about Syria.
The meeting with the ambassador, Sergey Kislyak, "occurred in Trump Tower, where we had our transition office, and lasted twenty [to] thirty minutes," Kushner wrote in an 11-page statement detailing his contacts with Russian nationals during the election and transition period.
"Lt. General Michael Flynn (Ret.), who became the President's National Security Advisor, also attended ... I stated our desire for a fresh start in relations."
Kushner said Kislyak, whose tenure in the US ended this past weekend, asked whether there was "a secure line in the transition office to conduct a conversation" about the US's Syria policy.
"General Flynn or I explained that there were no such lines," Kushner wrote. But he said he went on to ask whether the Russian Embassy "had an existing communications channel ... we could use where they would be comfortable transmitting the information they wanted to relay to General Flynn."
Kislyak said they didn't, according to Kushner, and "nothing else occurred."
"I did not suggest a 'secret back channel,'" he wrote. "I did not suggest an on-going secret form of communication for then or for when the administration took office. I did not raise the possibility of using the embassy or any other Russian facility for any purpose other than this one possible conversation in the transition period. We did not discuss sanctions."
Kushner's statement appears consistent with a Washington Post report published in May that said he had floated the possibility of setting up a secure line of communication between the Trump transition team and Russia — and having those talks take place in Russian diplomatic facilities in the US, essentially concealing their interactions from US government scrutiny.
According to The Post, Kislyak was "taken aback" by Kushner's request because it posed significant risks for both the Trump team and the Kremlin. But he passed along that request to Moscow anyway.
Kushner did not previously disclose the December meetings with Kislyak and the CEO of a Russian bank, Sergey Gorkov, on his security clearance form. He said in his statement that the form was submitted prematurely.
'A staggering lack of common sense'
Experts have said that if the Kushner-Kislyak meeting and reported discussion were an isolated incident, then it could be spun as normal back-channel communication arrangements among states.
But Kislyak and the Trump campaign interacted extensively, and Trump associates either kept those interactions secret from US officials or misrepresented them, as was the case with Flynn, who was forced to resign in February for similar reasons.
Scott Olson, a recently retired FBI agent who ran counterintelligence operations and spent more than 20 years at the bureau, told Business Insider in May that it was not unusual for low-level staffers to work between governments and bypass bureaucracy to exchange views and build consensus in advance of higher-level negotiations.
But what Kushner appears to have done is "substantially different, in two ways," he said.
"First, he is not seeking a back channel for a low-level staff exchange," Olson said. "He wants high-level direct-contact communication. This is extremely dangerous because it results in verbal (and therefore undocumented and unwitnessed) agreements, which are binding on governments. Free governments do not work this way. They can't. If they do, they are no longer free."
He added:
"Second, he asked to use a foreign government's communication facilities. This is way beyond a private server. This is doing US government diplomatic business over a foreign government's communication system. It's not an off-the-record conversation. It's a conversation recorded by the opposing party. This shows a staggering lack of understanding of the US and its place in the world. Actually, it shows a staggering lack of common sense. When he negotiates a business deal does he use the other guy's notes?"
It also struck many experts as odd that Flynn, Kushner, and Kislyak would want to conceal discussions about Syria from the US's national security and intelligence communities.
"Why in God's name would they want to conceal plans on Syria strategy from the US military?" asked Susan Hennessey, a former attorney for the National Security Agency. "Even accepting their Syria spin, what Kushner tried to do was blind the US government on incredibly important national security matters. That's not how it works. That's not the behavior of someone who recognizes America is still, at its core, a common endeavor."
http://www.businessinsider.com/jared-kushner-russia-back-channel-testimony-2017-7
This indictment just showed me that the DOJ knows alot of fucking shit.......... that they aren't talking about.
This yamp is also the one who organized that Russia trip for America's favorite bobble-headed coon Sherrif Clarke among others.
I knew that shit seemed suspicious.
NRA is done and they know it
45s base isn’t who got him elected, in the grand scheme of things his base never mattered even before he became president and past POTUS
Russian intelligence with the help of the GOP apparatus hacking into voting machines and changing votes and the NRA funneling Russian money to GOP as donations is what got him elected..
Trump’s base don’t vote
Folk really don’t know who Mueller is.. they will know soon enough
Mueller knows and has everything
Trump is like Fredo from the Godfather movies, I swear.
You know it's serious when "mk23666" makes an appearance!
But I must correct you here. These people don't "feel" nor do they feel "sorry"
Have you all read the indictment?
@ US Person 1
@ US Person 1
Just remember,who voted for this clown:white people,Asians,Hispanics and non-black people.....And,yes I know 8% of coons voted for him but they were the only ones,who voted for him less than 10%.
This shit is about to blow open big timeOH FUCK
"On October 2, 2016, US Person 1 sent an email to an acquaintance...
Within the Email, US Person 1 stated "Unrelated to specific presidential campaigns, I've been involved in securing a VERY private line of communication between the Kremlin and key POLITICAL PARTY 1 leaders through, of all conduits.. the {GUN RIGHTS ORGANIZATION}"!!!! PAge 11..
I wonder if US Person 1... was talking about Nader..
Also remember ....
I'm just going to leave this here for later.... Cause notice that US person one... doesn't specify who...
Jared Kushner gave a confusing explanation for his alleged 'back channel' plan with Russia
Natasha Bertrand
Jul. 24, 2017, 10:18 AM
President Donald Trump's son-in-law and senior adviser, Jared Kushner, denied in a statement Monday that he suggested setting up a "back channel" communication line to the Kremlin that would bypass US intelligence agencies and persist after Trump was inaugurated.
But Kushner acknowledged in the statement, which came ahead of a closed-door appearance before the Senate Intelligence Committee, that he asked Russia's ambassador to the US in December whether the Trump transition team could use Russia's embassy to communicate privately with Moscow about Syria.
The meeting with the ambassador, Sergey Kislyak, "occurred in Trump Tower, where we had our transition office, and lasted twenty [to] thirty minutes," Kushner wrote in an 11-page statement detailing his contacts with Russian nationals during the election and transition period.
"Lt. General Michael Flynn (Ret.), who became the President's National Security Advisor, also attended ... I stated our desire for a fresh start in relations."
Kushner said Kislyak, whose tenure in the US ended this past weekend, asked whether there was "a secure line in the transition office to conduct a conversation" about the US's Syria policy.
"General Flynn or I explained that there were no such lines," Kushner wrote. But he said he went on to ask whether the Russian Embassy "had an existing communications channel ... we could use where they would be comfortable transmitting the information they wanted to relay to General Flynn."
Kislyak said they didn't, according to Kushner, and "nothing else occurred."
"I did not suggest a 'secret back channel,'" he wrote. "I did not suggest an on-going secret form of communication for then or for when the administration took office. I did not raise the possibility of using the embassy or any other Russian facility for any purpose other than this one possible conversation in the transition period. We did not discuss sanctions."
Kushner's statement appears consistent with a Washington Post report published in May that said he had floated the possibility of setting up a secure line of communication between the Trump transition team and Russia — and having those talks take place in Russian diplomatic facilities in the US, essentially concealing their interactions from US government scrutiny.
According to The Post, Kislyak was "taken aback" by Kushner's request because it posed significant risks for both the Trump team and the Kremlin. But he passed along that request to Moscow anyway.
Kushner did not previously disclose the December meetings with Kislyak and the CEO of a Russian bank, Sergey Gorkov, on his security clearance form. He said in his statement that the form was submitted prematurely.
'A staggering lack of common sense'
Experts have said that if the Kushner-Kislyak meeting and reported discussion were an isolated incident, then it could be spun as normal back-channel communication arrangements among states.
But Kislyak and the Trump campaign interacted extensively, and Trump associates either kept those interactions secret from US officials or misrepresented them, as was the case with Flynn, who was forced to resign in February for similar reasons.
Scott Olson, a recently retired FBI agent who ran counterintelligence operations and spent more than 20 years at the bureau, told Business Insider in May that it was not unusual for low-level staffers to work between governments and bypass bureaucracy to exchange views and build consensus in advance of higher-level negotiations.
But what Kushner appears to have done is "substantially different, in two ways," he said.
"First, he is not seeking a back channel for a low-level staff exchange," Olson said. "He wants high-level direct-contact communication. This is extremely dangerous because it results in verbal (and therefore undocumented and unwitnessed) agreements, which are binding on governments. Free governments do not work this way. They can't. If they do, they are no longer free."
He added:
"Second, he asked to use a foreign government's communication facilities. This is way beyond a private server. This is doing US government diplomatic business over a foreign government's communication system. It's not an off-the-record conversation. It's a conversation recorded by the opposing party. This shows a staggering lack of understanding of the US and its place in the world. Actually, it shows a staggering lack of common sense. When he negotiates a business deal does he use the other guy's notes?"
It also struck many experts as odd that Flynn, Kushner, and Kislyak would want to conceal discussions about Syria from the US's national security and intelligence communities.
"Why in God's name would they want to conceal plans on Syria strategy from the US military?" asked Susan Hennessey, a former attorney for the National Security Agency. "Even accepting their Syria spin, what Kushner tried to do was blind the US government on incredibly important national security matters. That's not how it works. That's not the behavior of someone who recognizes America is still, at its core, a common endeavor."
http://www.businessinsider.com/jared-kushner-russia-back-channel-testimony-2017-7
But there's no proof of anything BECAUSE If there was then they'd tell us everything....
/sarcasm
Who are these people still saying this clown could go on and win again in 2020?...
He will win in 2020. At the end of the day White Supremacy and White Privilege is more important. White People know they will be the minority in 30-40 Years. If it means taking this country to the toliet than so be it!.
Man that shit is going to be fucking lit...
Especially since this shit happened before this bombshell indictment came down that is straight the first highly detailed account of just one of russias’s attempts to sway the republicans.
We have to remember ... Mueller hasnt even thrown out an indictment against old girl that met with Kushner..
Something tells me that this indictment is just the first blade of grass on the path to Kushener and Donald Jr.. and once he gets Donald jr.. he has trump.. Cause Trump wrote that fucking statement on Air Force one..
These fucking Republicans don’t even see how Mueller is setting this up. They are so focused on the before election shit with out even thinking about ... that Hammer on Air Force one.
If mueller can establish cause that Donald jr knew about the real intentions of that meeting in trump tower.. then it’s going to be easier to make an allegation that Trump writing Donald’s Statement was an attempt to cover up involvement.
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Pray for me...
I’m Watching the hannity interview with Trump.
It fucking kills me how these bitches talk about the media ... as if Fox News doesn’t consider themselves media. It’s like they don’t even know what media means.
I’m Watching the hannity interview with Trump.
It fucking kills me how these bitches talk about the media ... as if Fox News doesn’t consider themselves media. It’s like they don’t even know what media means.
Hey! once you sit back and really think about it, shit you can'y put nothing past a bunch
of disinfranchised cacs
Fox using the Nixon playbook
Who are these people still saying this clown could go on and win again in 2020?...
Up until today, I thought so. Between Democrats ineptness, American apathy and State Run Media (Fox), I thought he had a very good chance of winning.
With this fuck up today that's all out:
- He can't fuck with the Mueller Investigation, nor can he use his Repub stooges to do so. Look for more indictments to come down.
- You can't play the America First angle after shitting on American agencies on foreign soil
- Domestic patriotic play is out. You can't shit on NFL for taking a knee after siding with Putin
- What do the Russians have on him narrative will be front and center for awhile.
He has to hope the economy stays good - or tanks and recovers - by 2020.
Man where is trump coming up with these numbers....
DAMN Hannity isn’t even trying to do an interview.. he is just making statements...
And how is trump up here claiming to be the reason for the low unemployment numbers... Where are these jobs?
DAMN Hannity isn’t even trying to do an interview.. he is just making statements...
And how is trump up here claiming to be the reason for the low unemployment numbers... Where are these jobs?
That and the "elites" bullshit drives me crazy.
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