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Man Gabrielle Dennis knows she can get the Dick
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Season 3 is going to be crazy...
Luke fucking up...
Luke fucking up...
Oh shit... she gave away the birthright and bushmaster’s still out there...
Bring on Season 3.... well played Mariah.
Hello to the birth of the Last Stokes.
Bring on Season 3.... well played Mariah.
Hello to the birth of the Last Stokes.
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The closing of the door...
The Godfather moment and then you end with the fucking Legend Rakim.
And the way they ended with Reg Cathey’s quote to his son...
Season was a fucking 10..... I rarely throw this shit out but it was a masterpiece.
It started out slow and disjointed but by the time you get to the mid point you realize that that was the intention. Luke has fought Purple man, Cottonmouth , his brother, the system, and now Mariah and it’s taken a toll on him. It was always something and he could never be in all places at once... which is why his move at the end makes sense.
There was so much win with this season. So many things that I can’t wait to talk about.
I will say one thing.
Old girl is going to probably end up his greatest threat. With her intelligence and abilities... she is going to figure out a way to take him down and get hers.
Also.. I want to point out that.. out of all the Marvel properties Luke is the first one that is really taking its time to develop a rogues gallery of villains.
The Godfather moment and then you end with the fucking Legend Rakim.
And the way they ended with Reg Cathey’s quote to his son...
Season was a fucking 10..... I rarely throw this shit out but it was a masterpiece.
It started out slow and disjointed but by the time you get to the mid point you realize that that was the intention. Luke has fought Purple man, Cottonmouth , his brother, the system, and now Mariah and it’s taken a toll on him. It was always something and he could never be in all places at once... which is why his move at the end makes sense.
There was so much win with this season. So many things that I can’t wait to talk about.
I will say one thing.
Old girl is going to probably end up his greatest threat. With her intelligence and abilities... she is going to figure out a way to take him down and get hers.
Also.. I want to point out that.. out of all the Marvel properties Luke is the first one that is really taking its time to develop a rogues gallery of villains.
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She was looking so damn sexy with them afro puffs in the finaleMan Gabrielle Dennis knows she can get the Dick
I think Daredevil has done that too. The hand has always been a major villain source for his character. That along with the Kingpin still pulling strings is gonna continue to play a role. I'm looking forward to seeing Bullseye
The problem with the Hand and this is more Iron Fist’s fault..
Is that they got severally weakened in Iron Fist.. like they don’t even make sense now. Daredevil Season 2 made them into an unstoppable army.. the massacre in the hospital is still one of the best scenes in the game but Iron Fist turned them into a bunch of high school kids like a broke down X Mansion.
I think Luke has done a better job so far with turning the villains into living breathing characters. In two seasons.. the Stokes and McIver families feel like 3 dimensional characters.
In daredevil... Kingpin has been the only one that was given time to properly develop.
In daredevil... Kingpin has been the only one that was given time to properly develop.
Yeah but defenders did point out that it was different facets of the Hand at work so the ones Daredevil dealt with were still the most deadly
The closing of the door...
The Godfather moment and then you end with the fucking Legend Rakim.
And the way they ended with Reg Cathey’s quote to his son...
Season was a fucking 10..... I rarely through this shit out but it was a masterpiece.
It started out slow and disjointed but by the time you get to the mid point you realize that that was the intention. Luke has fought Purple man, Cottonmouth , his brother, the system, and now Mariah and it’s taken a toll on him. It always something and he could never be all places at once... which is why his move at the end makes sense.
There was so much win with this season. So many things that I can’t wait to talk about.
I will say one thing.
Old girl is going to probably end up his greatest threat. With her intelligence and abilities... she is going to figure out a way to take him down and get hers.
Also.. I want to point out that.. out of all the Marvel properties Luke is the first one that is really taking its time to develop a rogues gallery of villains.
Actually the series is doing an excellent job of reimagining his rouge gallery....
Expanding Cage family with Dimaondback...
Making Cottonmouth, Black Mariah and Nightshade family, add in the Bushmaster family connection... it was brilliantly done...
At,the end,she turned Luke just a little. She even made him turn his back on Clair from the looks of it. Even,Misty looked at him fucked up at the end.
They did a great job with the musical guests this season.
Lucky bastard..Also Simone Missick's husband, Dorian played "Cockroach"...
I think that again goes to my problem
With the use of the hand in Iron Fist... you don’t come out like the hands introduction in Daredevil and then minimize it in Iron first.
Defenders did it’s best to make them a threat again but the damage was done with this whole Xavier academy nonsense.
Completely agree...
I came into this series worried about the use of Luke’s Gallery and now I feel like it’s probably the deepest bunch of the shows.
Hell diamondback is still out there
Season 2 was good. Mariah is a bad bitch. Bushmaster gave Luke that ass whipping. Looks like they setting Luke up to fail next season, looks like he will be corrupt with power.
http://ew.com/tv/2018/06/22/marvels...g-season-2-finale-defends-13-episode-seasons/
Warning: The following contains spoilers for season 2 of Marvel’s Luke Cage. Read at your own risk!
By the end of his standalone series’ second season, Luke Cage (Mike Colter) is no longer just Harlem’s hero, but Harlem’s…crime boss?
In a final, shocking move, Mariah Dillard (Alfre Woodard) left Harlem’s Paradise to Luke in her will. After her death, Luke — in an even more shocking move — decided to take it, thinking he’ll be able to see criminal goings-on much more clearly from the perch above the club. Yet, in his final scene, he acts just like the crime bosses he hated, even donning a new wardrobe to underline his transformation.
To figure out what this means for the bulletproof Defender’s future, EW chatted with Marvel’s Luke Cage showrunner Cheo Hodari Coker, who penned the finale. Below, Coker dives into Luke’s decision, how he chose which villains to feature in season 2, and what he thinks of criticisms over the show being too long.
ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: Is Luke 100 percent comfortable with his choice to take over Harlem’s Paradise, to essentially become just like the people he vowed to remove? He can’t be, can he?
CHEO HODARI COKER: When we filmed the episode, the script called for Luke to be more reluctant, to reluctantly look out at all that he surveyed. Mike didn’t play it like that. To his credit, he refused all notes to play it differently, and he absolutely made the right choice, because it’s chilling. If you immediately go from watching episode 13 of season 2 and go back to episode 1 of season 1, it’s chilling how much Mike in that three-piece suit looks like Cottonmouth [played by Mahershala Ali].
The tonal shift can be shocking, but once given power, people kind of show off who they really are. That was what Mariah was trying to say, that you often go in thinking that things are going to be different when it’s your administration, but [once you’re there] you start making the kinds of decisions that the previousadministration made. It’s the same lesson that Michael Corleone got [in The Godfather]… So, is my view for Luke Cage, or Luke Corleone, more pessimistic? I would say no, but it’s interesting to play with.
You call him “Luke Corleone”; D.W. [Jeremiah Craft] calls him “Luke Trump” in an earlier scene. Luke’s getting a lot of nicknames that are nothing like “Harlem’s hero.”
It’s a lesson from [The Wire creator] David Simon. He used season 3 of The Wire to not only talk about a war between two drug organizations in Baltimore, but also to describe the then-current Iraq War… So for us, it’s like, are we making an analogy about the Trump administration? Yes, we are, but if you don’t get the references, it’s okay.
Now the only fear I have is that someone would make the mistake of having the notion that Luke is conservative. God forbid somebody misinterprets that line as us trying to give Trump a shout-out. That’s not the case at all. What we’re saying is that this place is shaken up by a reformer who has no experience, who thinks that having all power is going to solve things. That’s dangerous. That’s what D.W. is saying. I think, ultimately, [the comparison] elevates the season.
What made you want to end the season on this note? Was there something that compelled you to wrap up the season without the superhero being the moral compass, or even in the right? Why end like this?
Because I want people to clamor for a season 3. [Laughs] If all is well and everything’s great, then, like, I’d rather play Fortnite, you know? [Laughs] I want people to question who Luke Cage is. If season 1 was “Who is Luke Cage?” then season 2 is “This is Luke Cage,” but then season 3 is “Who is Luke Cage, really?”
Let’s talk about Mariah, who’s murdered by her own daughter, Tilda [Gabrielle Dennis], and departs the show. How did Alfre react to being told she’d be leaving the series?
At the very beginning of the season, when I told her the Tilda twist, she screamed at the table, “Oh my God!” As I talked to her about the things she was going to do, she said, “Y’all are going to kill me this season, aren’t you?” [Laughs] I said, “Yeah, we’re killing you,” and she said, “Alright, when you kill me, just make sure I don’t go out like a punk.” Alfre wanted to go out in a blaze of glory, but I said, “No one’s going to shoot you. It’s going to be a lot more emotional than that.” I love writing for Alfre. She’s so playful. She makes for a wonderful villain.
Speaking of villains, I was expecting Diamondback [Erik LaRay Harvey] to show up again after last season’s tease. Why not include him at all this season?
Here’s the thing: I love Diamondback, and I love Erik LaRay Harvey. It was Erik’s audition for Cottonmouth that changed the trajectory of the series. He gave such an incredible Cottonmouth audition that it made us say, “Okay, we gotta reassess the age of Cottonmouth and, knowing that we have such a strong actor for the back half of the season, let’s cast Erik as Diamondback and look for another Cottonmouth.”
I had always planned on killing Cottonmouth off. That was always going to be the twist. What none of us anticipated was that, while we knew that Mahershala was going to be incredible, we didn’t know that people were going to be so emotionally attached to him that they would be pissed at the show for killing him. It was really hard on Erik because, as [Marvel TV head] Jeph Loeb said, “Mahershalacouldn’t follow Mahershala.” [Laughs]
So it might have been interesting to follow up immediately with Diamondback, but again, that’s the thing: There will hopefully be other opportunities to explore different storylines. I’m extremely happy with the one that we have right now.
Just to clarify, your decision not to bring Diamondback back this season was because of the fan reaction?
It’s honestly because of, if you follow the Marvel pattern, it’s like, you don’t directly follow up with last season’s storyline immediately. Look at something like Daredevil: They did [season 2 with] the Punisher and other storylines.
So that means if you get a third season, we won’t see Bushmaster [Mustafa Shakir] return?I mean, if I tell you everything, why watch season 3? [Laughs]
Fair enough — but what is the status on season 3?
Netflix likes critical attention and they like their analytics. I think review-wise, we’ve done pretty well. People seem to like the show except for [Rolling Stone TV critic] Alan Sepinwall, but so be it. I come from hip-hop — meaning that I don’t mind if you come at me. In fact, I prefer it. But I prefer that you come at the show with credible critique. Don’t say, “Out of 13 hours, only four weren’t a waste of time.” I really felt that [Vulture writer] Anjelica Bastien‘s criticisms of the show last season were so eloquent and so well written that her challenges to us helpedthe show.
Because I’m a former critic, I view criticism differently than most do. I can take criticism but if you’re going to eviscerate us, be specific. Don’t be lazy, because I can tell whether or not you’ve seen all 13. But to get back to your question: Netflix always likes to take their time to think about things. Do things look good for a season 3? I hope, but it’s really going to depend on having enough people watch the show. And I never assume anything, because we’re living in an era where Martin Scorsese doesn’t get a second season. Anybody can get canceled.
But because you mentioned Sepinwall’s review, in which he talks about how there’s not enough story to fill 13 episodes, I do have to ask: What do you think about the season’s length? Would you prefer fewer episodes?
No. Honestly, it’s like jazz. In the bebop era, it used to be that you only had three minutes to make a song. But once you were able to not have three minutes and you could do 25 minutes, it changed the nature of jazz composition. It’s like John Coltrane and Sonny Rollins — it changes jazz because you could stretch.
Now, if he’s saying every episode needs to be a pop single, he can have that Britney Spears s—. You know? Like, he wants Taylor Swift, Britney Spears. We’retrying to make Zeppelin records. He’s probably the kind of person who thinks that “Stairway to Heaven” is a waste of time, you know what I’m saying? Like, God forbid that song meanders, especially as it builds to its climax. He’s the kind of person who probably wanted to edit “Bohemian Rhapsody,” you know? There will be some people who prefer that stretch and then some people who are like, “You know what, I like pop.” And I get it. It’s cool. There’s literally a million other things you could be doing, but if you like what we’re doing, then I want to give the fans who like what we’re doing as much as they can take.
Is there anything else you want to add?
I really love the season, and I hope people enjoy it. I know that we could not have tried any harder. I know that we pushed as many buttons as we could, and I’m satisfied that we tried our best. I learned a long time ago as a journalist who covered A Tribe Called Quest and Dr. Dre and a lot of artists that pushed boundaries, that they take creative risks because safe records don’t move the needle. Sometimes you have to take the risk that somebody will consider what you’re making is noise, but if you don’t try it, then nothing will move forward. I’d rather people hate something than just go “meh.” I want people to be enthralled by the show and I hope in this second season, we did something enthralling.
Marvel’s Luke Cage season 2 is now streaming on Netflix.
Warning: The following contains spoilers for season 2 of Marvel’s Luke Cage. Read at your own risk!
By the end of his standalone series’ second season, Luke Cage (Mike Colter) is no longer just Harlem’s hero, but Harlem’s…crime boss?
In a final, shocking move, Mariah Dillard (Alfre Woodard) left Harlem’s Paradise to Luke in her will. After her death, Luke — in an even more shocking move — decided to take it, thinking he’ll be able to see criminal goings-on much more clearly from the perch above the club. Yet, in his final scene, he acts just like the crime bosses he hated, even donning a new wardrobe to underline his transformation.
To figure out what this means for the bulletproof Defender’s future, EW chatted with Marvel’s Luke Cage showrunner Cheo Hodari Coker, who penned the finale. Below, Coker dives into Luke’s decision, how he chose which villains to feature in season 2, and what he thinks of criticisms over the show being too long.
ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: Is Luke 100 percent comfortable with his choice to take over Harlem’s Paradise, to essentially become just like the people he vowed to remove? He can’t be, can he?
CHEO HODARI COKER: When we filmed the episode, the script called for Luke to be more reluctant, to reluctantly look out at all that he surveyed. Mike didn’t play it like that. To his credit, he refused all notes to play it differently, and he absolutely made the right choice, because it’s chilling. If you immediately go from watching episode 13 of season 2 and go back to episode 1 of season 1, it’s chilling how much Mike in that three-piece suit looks like Cottonmouth [played by Mahershala Ali].
The tonal shift can be shocking, but once given power, people kind of show off who they really are. That was what Mariah was trying to say, that you often go in thinking that things are going to be different when it’s your administration, but [once you’re there] you start making the kinds of decisions that the previousadministration made. It’s the same lesson that Michael Corleone got [in The Godfather]… So, is my view for Luke Cage, or Luke Corleone, more pessimistic? I would say no, but it’s interesting to play with.
You call him “Luke Corleone”; D.W. [Jeremiah Craft] calls him “Luke Trump” in an earlier scene. Luke’s getting a lot of nicknames that are nothing like “Harlem’s hero.”
It’s a lesson from [The Wire creator] David Simon. He used season 3 of The Wire to not only talk about a war between two drug organizations in Baltimore, but also to describe the then-current Iraq War… So for us, it’s like, are we making an analogy about the Trump administration? Yes, we are, but if you don’t get the references, it’s okay.
Now the only fear I have is that someone would make the mistake of having the notion that Luke is conservative. God forbid somebody misinterprets that line as us trying to give Trump a shout-out. That’s not the case at all. What we’re saying is that this place is shaken up by a reformer who has no experience, who thinks that having all power is going to solve things. That’s dangerous. That’s what D.W. is saying. I think, ultimately, [the comparison] elevates the season.
What made you want to end the season on this note? Was there something that compelled you to wrap up the season without the superhero being the moral compass, or even in the right? Why end like this?
Because I want people to clamor for a season 3. [Laughs] If all is well and everything’s great, then, like, I’d rather play Fortnite, you know? [Laughs] I want people to question who Luke Cage is. If season 1 was “Who is Luke Cage?” then season 2 is “This is Luke Cage,” but then season 3 is “Who is Luke Cage, really?”
Let’s talk about Mariah, who’s murdered by her own daughter, Tilda [Gabrielle Dennis], and departs the show. How did Alfre react to being told she’d be leaving the series?
At the very beginning of the season, when I told her the Tilda twist, she screamed at the table, “Oh my God!” As I talked to her about the things she was going to do, she said, “Y’all are going to kill me this season, aren’t you?” [Laughs] I said, “Yeah, we’re killing you,” and she said, “Alright, when you kill me, just make sure I don’t go out like a punk.” Alfre wanted to go out in a blaze of glory, but I said, “No one’s going to shoot you. It’s going to be a lot more emotional than that.” I love writing for Alfre. She’s so playful. She makes for a wonderful villain.
Speaking of villains, I was expecting Diamondback [Erik LaRay Harvey] to show up again after last season’s tease. Why not include him at all this season?
Here’s the thing: I love Diamondback, and I love Erik LaRay Harvey. It was Erik’s audition for Cottonmouth that changed the trajectory of the series. He gave such an incredible Cottonmouth audition that it made us say, “Okay, we gotta reassess the age of Cottonmouth and, knowing that we have such a strong actor for the back half of the season, let’s cast Erik as Diamondback and look for another Cottonmouth.”
I had always planned on killing Cottonmouth off. That was always going to be the twist. What none of us anticipated was that, while we knew that Mahershala was going to be incredible, we didn’t know that people were going to be so emotionally attached to him that they would be pissed at the show for killing him. It was really hard on Erik because, as [Marvel TV head] Jeph Loeb said, “Mahershalacouldn’t follow Mahershala.” [Laughs]
So it might have been interesting to follow up immediately with Diamondback, but again, that’s the thing: There will hopefully be other opportunities to explore different storylines. I’m extremely happy with the one that we have right now.
Just to clarify, your decision not to bring Diamondback back this season was because of the fan reaction?
It’s honestly because of, if you follow the Marvel pattern, it’s like, you don’t directly follow up with last season’s storyline immediately. Look at something like Daredevil: They did [season 2 with] the Punisher and other storylines.
So that means if you get a third season, we won’t see Bushmaster [Mustafa Shakir] return?I mean, if I tell you everything, why watch season 3? [Laughs]
Fair enough — but what is the status on season 3?
Netflix likes critical attention and they like their analytics. I think review-wise, we’ve done pretty well. People seem to like the show except for [Rolling Stone TV critic] Alan Sepinwall, but so be it. I come from hip-hop — meaning that I don’t mind if you come at me. In fact, I prefer it. But I prefer that you come at the show with credible critique. Don’t say, “Out of 13 hours, only four weren’t a waste of time.” I really felt that [Vulture writer] Anjelica Bastien‘s criticisms of the show last season were so eloquent and so well written that her challenges to us helpedthe show.
Because I’m a former critic, I view criticism differently than most do. I can take criticism but if you’re going to eviscerate us, be specific. Don’t be lazy, because I can tell whether or not you’ve seen all 13. But to get back to your question: Netflix always likes to take their time to think about things. Do things look good for a season 3? I hope, but it’s really going to depend on having enough people watch the show. And I never assume anything, because we’re living in an era where Martin Scorsese doesn’t get a second season. Anybody can get canceled.
But because you mentioned Sepinwall’s review, in which he talks about how there’s not enough story to fill 13 episodes, I do have to ask: What do you think about the season’s length? Would you prefer fewer episodes?
No. Honestly, it’s like jazz. In the bebop era, it used to be that you only had three minutes to make a song. But once you were able to not have three minutes and you could do 25 minutes, it changed the nature of jazz composition. It’s like John Coltrane and Sonny Rollins — it changes jazz because you could stretch.
Now, if he’s saying every episode needs to be a pop single, he can have that Britney Spears s—. You know? Like, he wants Taylor Swift, Britney Spears. We’retrying to make Zeppelin records. He’s probably the kind of person who thinks that “Stairway to Heaven” is a waste of time, you know what I’m saying? Like, God forbid that song meanders, especially as it builds to its climax. He’s the kind of person who probably wanted to edit “Bohemian Rhapsody,” you know? There will be some people who prefer that stretch and then some people who are like, “You know what, I like pop.” And I get it. It’s cool. There’s literally a million other things you could be doing, but if you like what we’re doing, then I want to give the fans who like what we’re doing as much as they can take.
Is there anything else you want to add?
I really love the season, and I hope people enjoy it. I know that we could not have tried any harder. I know that we pushed as many buttons as we could, and I’m satisfied that we tried our best. I learned a long time ago as a journalist who covered A Tribe Called Quest and Dr. Dre and a lot of artists that pushed boundaries, that they take creative risks because safe records don’t move the needle. Sometimes you have to take the risk that somebody will consider what you’re making is noise, but if you don’t try it, then nothing will move forward. I’d rather people hate something than just go “meh.” I want people to be enthralled by the show and I hope in this second season, we did something enthralling.
Marvel’s Luke Cage season 2 is now streaming on Netflix.
11/10. Shit was excellent and redeemed everything the first season lacked.
This was great.
bushmaster was dope...
Season 2 was fucking dope. Didn’t expect it to be this three dimensional. Alfred Woodard did an amazing job. Her character Mariah Dillard/Stokes couldn’t escape the gangsta life no matter what she tried. So she eventually had to embrace it and went all in. Tilda also couldn’t escape the family curse. It’s funny because both mother and daughter wanted to be the good guy, but once again they made some ill-fated choices that pushed them into being the bad guy. No matter what Mariah was her mother. I feel that will come back to haunt her. Bushmaster really wanted to seek retribution for his family. I’m glad they actually showed the reason for his anger rather than just state every time he was on screen. At the end of the day it wasn’t about Mariah more so than correcting a wrong that was done and reclaiming things for his family. But his actions came at a price as well. Being at the top doesn’t come without a price tag, which is something Luke seems he going to find out. Even though Luke has paid a price, the crown comes with a different price tag. I like they teased the Heroes for Hire and Danny Rand was a major improvement from Iron Fist and Defenders. I had to ask myself if it was a different actor. Lmao! I also like they gave us a tease of the Daughters of the Dragon as well. I can’t take my eyes off the screen every time Misty is on. That chick is fucking amazing. Those lips make a nigga dick twitch. I know her head game gotta be fire! Lmao! I like how she gave Luke that look at the end. She sees he’s officially in the game now and trying to come to terms with it. Everything with this season came full circle and I loved it. The rogue gallery is dope and building. Also, the two people that helped him keep a level head about shit dipped out. Obviously for two different reasons but he really didn’t have his moral compass around. Can’t wait for season 3!!!
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i wanna play doctor with Tilda...
i wanna play cops and robbers with misty...
i'm glad they ended that Luke Cage/Claire relationship early on...cuz that was gettin' annoyin'...
i wanna play cops and robbers with misty...
i'm glad they ended that Luke Cage/Claire relationship early on...cuz that was gettin' annoyin'...
Alfre Woodard and the cat that played Bushmaster deserve Emmy nods for this season. THey had me captivated. And Misty.....dem titties tho. 
Season 2 was amazing!!..it got better in every episodes and shit got real deep this season!!..Damn, Mariah was fucking ruthless!!..and Bushmaster was a good villain!!..They did a great job on season 2..this show was on point!
Season 3 is going to be crazy!!...Can't wait!!..
.Damn, Mariah was fucking ruthless!!..and Bushmaster was a good villain!!..They did a great job on season 2..this show was on point!Season 3 is going to be crazy!!...Can't wait!!..
Damn I was so glad she left.
I still miss cotton mouth but this new dude is very compelling so far.
Ok ok we get it please ni more arm jokes
Ummm the sure love saying nigga on this show huh?
Real talk...
shades loves that woman for real for real
shades loves that woman for real for real
This show is NOT for kids.
And I like that.
And I like that.
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