Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs From 2020, Replacing Intel

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Apple Inc. is planning to use its own chips in Mac computers beginning as early as 2020, replacing processors from Intel Corp., according to people familiar with the plans.



The initiative, code named Kalamata, is still in the early developmental stages, but comes as part of a larger strategy to make all of Apple’s devices -- including Macs, iPhones, and iPads -- work more similarly and seamlessly together, said the people, who asked not to be identified discussing private information. The project, which executives have approved, will likely result in a multi-step transition.



The shift would be a blow to Intel, whose partnership helped revive Apple’s Mac success and linked the chipmaker to one of the leading brands in electronics. Apple provides Intel with about 5 percent of its annual revenue, according to Bloomberg supply chain analysis.



Intel shares dropped as much as 9.2 percent, the biggest intraday drop in more than two years, on the news. They were down 6.4 percent at $48.75 at 3:30 p.m. in New York.



Apple could still theoretically abandon or delay the switch. The company declined to comment. Intel said, “We don’t comment on speculation about our customers.”

For Apple, the change would be a defining moment. Intel chips remain some of the only major processor components designed by others inside Apple’s product portfolio. Currently, all iPhones, iPads, Apple Watches, and Apple TVs use main processors designed by Apple and based on technology from Arm Holdings Plc. Moving to its own chips inside Macs would let Apple release new models on its own timelines, instead of relying on Intel’s processor roadmap.

“We think that Apple is looking at ways to further integrate their hardware and software platforms, and they’ve clearly made some moves in this space, trying to integrate iOS and macOS,” said Shannon Cross, an analyst at Cross Research. “It makes sense that they’re going in this direction. If you look at incremental R&D spend, it’s gone into ways to try to vertically integrate their components so they can add more functionality for competitive differentiation.”

The shift would also allow Cupertino, California-based Apple to more quickly bring new features to all of its products and stand out from the competition. Using its own main chips would make Apple the only major PC maker to use its own processors. Dell Technologies Inc., HP Inc., Lenovo Group Ltd., and Asustek Computer Inc. use Intel chips.

By using its own chips, Apple would be able to more tightly integrate new hardware and software, potentially resulting in systems with better battery life -- similar to iPads, which use Apple chips.

While the transition to Apple chips in hardware is planned to begin as early as 2020, the changes to the software side will begin even before that. Apple’s iPhones and iPads with custom chips use the iOS operating system, while Mac computers with Intel chips run on a different system called macOS. Apple has slowly been integrating user-facing features over the past several years, and more recently starting sharing lower-level features like a new file management system.



As part of the larger initiative to make Macs work more like iPhones, Apple is working on a new software platform, internally dubbed Marzipan, for release as early as this year that would allow users to run iPhone and iPad apps on Macs, Bloomberg News reported last year.

The company has also previously released Macs with ARM-based co-processors, which run an iOS-like operating system, for specific functions like security. The latest MacBook Pro and iMac Pro include the co-processors. Apple plans to add that chip to a new version of its Mac Pro, to be released by next year, and new Mac laptops this year, according to a person familiar with the matter.

Intel has dominated computing processors for more than a decade, taking market share from Advanced Micro Devices Inc., its only rival in the market. Intel also designs and builds modem chips for some iPhone models so that they can connect to cellular networks and make calls. While Apple is down the list of computer sellers by unit shipments, it’s third when measured by revenue last year, highlighting the premium status of its products.

Apple’s decision to switch away from Intel in PC’s wouldn’t have a major impact on the chipmaker’s earnings because sales to the iPhone maker only constitute a small amount of its total, said Kevin Cassidy, an analyst at Stifel Nicolaus & Co. A bigger concern would be if this represents part of a wider trend of big customers moving to designing their own components, he said.

In 2005, Apple announced a move to Intel chips in its Macs, an initiative that put former Intel Chief Executive Officer Paul Ottelini on stage with Apple co-founder Steve Jobs. It was a partnership that shook up the PC industry and saw Apple shift away from chips co-developed by IBM and Motorola.

Apple’s current chip designs made their name in thin and light mobile devices. That would indicate Apple will start the transition with laptops before moving the designs into more demanding desktop models. Apple has to walk the fine line of moving away from Intel chips without sacrificing the speed and capabilities of its Macs.

A decision to go with ARM technology in computers might lend it credibility where it has failed to gain a foothold so far. Qualcomm Inc., the biggest mobile phone chip provider, is working with PC makers to introduce new thin and light laptops based on its chips in another attempt to steal share from Intel. Microsoft Corp. is supporting that effort by providing a version of its Windows operating system for ARM technology-based chips.

Intel’s dominance of the market has been based on its ability to use leading manufacturing technology to produce processors that are more powerful than those of its competitors. Its would-be rivals haven’t yet produced designs that have displaced Intel’s products when it comes to crunching data quickly.

Apple’s custom processors have been recently manufactured principally by Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Ltd. Its decision may signal confidence that TSMC and other suppliers such as Samsung Electronics Co. have closed the gap on Intel’s manufacturing lead and can produce processors that are just as powerful.
 
Intel has been in the game for years. They have the best people and the know how. You can’t replace that experience.

This is a disaster move for Apple. If you trust an Apple made CPU over someone like Intel then you’re a fool.

After they suffer hardware/software problems related to their chips I would charge them double if I were Intel to come back.
 
Intel has been in the game for years. They have the best people and the know how. You can’t replace that experience.

This is a disaster move for Apple. If you trust an Apple made CPU over someone like Intel then you’re a fool.

After they suffer hardware/software problems related to their chips I would charge them double if I were Intel to come back.


The fuck are you talking about.Apple already makes there own chip. iPhones and IPads uses Apple A1 chip, They don't use Intel.

I Think its a smart move for apple. They are tired of waiting on Intel, Its much better to make your own chips so you can do heavy optimization like they do with there IOS Platforms.
 
The fuck are you talking about.Apple already makes there own chip. iPhones and IPads uses Apple A1 chip, They don't use Intel.

I Think its a smart move for apple. They are tired of waiting on Intel, Its much better to make your own chips so you can do heavy optimization like they do with there IOS Platforms.

What the fuck I’m I talking about? What I’m talking about is there is a strong reason why they haven’t made this move before. There is a reason WHY Apple outsourced all these years to Intel.

There’s is a reason why Intel for decades has been a primary chip maker and Apple hasn’t been.
 

What the fuck I’m I talking about? What I’m talking about is there is a strong reason why they haven’t made this move before. There is a reason WHY Apple outsourced all these years to Intel.

There’s is a reason why Intel for decades has been a primary chip maker and Apple hasn’t been.

The Reason why they outsource with Intel because Apple AI was based off the ARM x64 Instructions which was not powerful enough at the time. Now with the Last Chip A11 which has multicore, Neural Engine. Its powerful enough to run desktop software.

Also im pretty sure with the A12 they will use a variant which will be more powerful and way more optimized than any intel chip on the market. Doing everything inHouse will always give your better optimization and better performace.

Apple designs both the software and hardware InHouse, Which is why Apple computers or we shall say Mac OSX and iPhones OS are usually free of malware, and virus and its almost non exciting when you compared it to Windows OS Security.

We could argue its because Mac OSX uses the Unix Kernel which it was built with security in mind but that is another topic we can argue.
 
The Reason why they outsource with Intel because Apple AI was based off the ARM x64 Instructions which was not powerful enough at the time. Now with the Last Chip A11 which has multicore, Neural Engine. Its powerful enough to run desktop software.

Also im pretty sure with the A12 they will use a variant which will be more powerful and way more optimized than any intel chip on the market. Doing everything inHouse will always give your better optimization and better performace.

Apple designs both the software and hardware InHouse, Which is why Apple computers or we shall say Mac OSX and iPhones OS are usually free of malware, and virus and its almost non exciting when you compared it to Windows OS Security.

We could argue its because Mac OSX uses the Unix Kernel which it was built with security in mind but that is another topic we can argue.

Oh I’m not questioning their Architecture know how. They obviously can make chips. I question the following:

1) Can they in-House handle the tremendous increased manufacturing load?

2) Do they have the efficiency to handle issue?

3) Do they have the available resources to innovate?

Understand this is a huge undertaking on their part. Essentially they have to become a bigger “chip” manufacturer to keep up with their own demands and compete with the market.

That’s a big deal.
 
I think a lot of people are forgetting the PowerPC days. I think Apple just found a cheaper way to produce their own chips on a much larger scale again. Maybe new machinery, staff, either way you can expect everything Apple to increase in price and all of your old Intel MAC's to no longer support OS's designed for the new architect... GOD I love a Windows and or Linux box!!!
 

What the fuck I’m I talking about? What I’m talking about is there is a strong reason why they haven’t made this move before. There is a reason WHY Apple outsourced all these years to Intel.

There’s is a reason why Intel for decades has been a primary chip maker and Apple hasn’t been.

They started using intel in 2005.
 

Oh I’m not questioning their Architecture know how. They obviously can make chips. I question the following:

1) Can they in-House handle the tremendous increased manufacturing load?

2) Do they have the efficiency to handle issue?

3) Do they have the available resources to innovate?

Understand this is a huge undertaking on their part. Essentially they have to become a bigger “chip” manufacturer to keep up with their own demands and compete with the market.

That’s a big deal.

They purchased a chip companies almost a decade ago.

https://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/28/technology/28apple.html

https://www.cnet.com/news/apple-buys-another-chipmaker/
 

Oh I’m not questioning their Architecture know how. They obviously can make chips. I question the following:

1) Can they in-House handle the tremendous increased manufacturing load?

2) Do they have the efficiency to handle issue?

3) Do they have the available resources to innovate?

Understand this is a huge undertaking on their part. Essentially they have to become a bigger “chip” manufacturer to keep up with their own demands and compete with the market.

That’s a big deal.

So clearly, you miss the point. Apple will not fab the chips. They design the chip and have TSMC/SAMSUNG, et al fab them. That's the been the case for years now with the A series chips that power everything from iphone, ipad, apple watch, Apple tv, etc. Intel has been missing targets for performance, efficiency, etc for years now, and it has hurt all hardware manufacturers, Apple included. Intel has actually moved away from chip designs and moved more to a memory and component space as their profit drivers. This is move will push Apple to the forefront faster, as of right now the A series chips are outperforming the Intel chips across numerous performance metrics.
 
So clearly, you miss the point. Apple will not fab the chips. They design the chip and have TSMC/SAMSUNG, et al fab them. That's the been the case for years now with the A series chips that power everything from iphone, ipad, apple watch, Apple tv, etc. Intel has been missing targets for performance, efficiency, etc for years now, and it has hurt all hardware manufacturers, Apple included. Intel has actually moved away from chip designs and moved more to a memory and component space as their profit drivers. This is move will push Apple to the forefront faster, as of right now the A series chips are outperforming the Intel chips across numerous performance metrics.

Yes that is correct and also developers can write software that will run on Both iPhone, iPad, Apple TV and Now Desktop.

So you can write code 1 time and release it in a single binary file. No more needing to port!
 
Intel has been in the game for years. They have the best people and the know how. You can’t replace that experience.

This is a disaster move for Apple. If you trust an Apple made CPU over someone like Intel then you’re a fool.

After they suffer hardware/software problems related to their chips I would charge them double if I were Intel to come back.

Total proprietary move.

I hate apple for that very shit.
 
Total proprietary move.

I hate apple for that very shit.
Funny how you've never heard of an A series chip ever being hacked, overworked or underperforming ....EVER. Youve never heard people bitching about how the A-series chip in their idevice concked out. But hey, whatever confirms your bias.
 

Oh I’m not questioning their Architecture know how. They obviously can make chips. I question the following:

1) Can they in-House handle the tremendous increased manufacturing load?

2) Do they have the efficiency to handle issue?

3) Do they have the available resources to innovate?

Understand this is a huge undertaking on their part. Essentially they have to become a bigger “chip” manufacturer to keep up with their own demands and compete with the market.

That’s a big deal.

also, you can probably kiss your hackintosh goodbye and while it's got a lot of experience building super lower powered mobile CPU's for IOS, it has no real public experience designing or building CPU's intended for the more complex demands of laptops and desktops which need to handle processing enormous 4K files, your email, iMessages and ten different open tabs in Chrome. AMD and Intel have shown just how challenging that kind of CPU design is lately and if Apple were to stumble it would be catastrophic for its computer division.
 
also, you can probably kiss your hackintosh goodbye and while it's got a lot of experience building super lower powered mobile CPU's for IOS, it has no real public experience designing or building CPU's intended for the more complex demands of laptops and desktops which need to handle processing enormous 4K files, your email, iMessages and ten different open tabs in Chrome. AMD and Intel have shown just how challenging that kind of CPU design is lately and if Apple were to stumble it would be catastrophic for its computer division.
You mean the things the iPad Pro does now? Already? You mean the chips that currently outperform intel chips? Already? Ok.
 
Going out on your own when superior shit is already available isn't always the best idea.

Just look at Apple Maps.......shit is a fuckin joke.
 
didnt the lead design at intel go months ago and the ceo then sales his intel stock a month before the announcement of the lead chip design departure ?
 
Oh shit.....didn't know they use Intel processors.
It's this reason why i can type this response on my dell latitude E5550 running the latest Mac OS
There are communities out there that guide you and even provide parts list to build your own macintosh, ooops, i mean Hackingtosh.
 
I don't believe Apple will be making chips.
They will be re-branding another chip maker's shit.
 
You mean the things the iPad Pro does now? Already? You mean the chips that currently outperform intel chips? Already? Ok.
It's a completely different animal when comparing mobile CPU's to laptop/desktop CPU's . In my opinion, I think it's bad idea and yes they have the cash to do the RND but this reminds me of the 90's when Apple were using the Motorola based CPUs . We all know how that tuned out. Anyways we'll see.
 
I don't believe Apple will be making chips.
They will be re-branding another chip maker's shit.

Apple has been designing their own silicon and releasing them in their products since 2007. The A4 chip started it all when it was released in the OG iPad back in June 07. Since then, we've seen Apple damn near double performance and efficiency with every version, and now we have the A11 Bionic, which is trouncing Intel's pro line mobile chips.

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So no friend, no need to rebrand anybody's anything when they are currently kicking the bully's (Intel) ass.
 
It's a completely different animal when comparing mobile CPU's to laptop/desktop CPU's . In my opinion, I think it's bad idea and yes they have the cash to do the RND but this reminds me of the 90's when Apple were using the Motorola based CPUs . We all know how that tuned out. Anyways we'll see.

I think you may be comparing . Why? Apple of the 80's running on POWER-RISC chips was the right move. The silicon was capable of handling multitasking, video, audio, etc while intel/Win was still pushing spreadsheets. The problem was they relied on Motorola to make those chips. AIM (Apple, IBM, Motorola) was formed to ease the cost of development and fab for the chips to be successful. IBM used the chips in super computers, Apple in their MacPro's, but they didn't have the volume to make the business viable. Comparing Apple of today with the Apple in the 90s is most def ! Apple of today has more money, R&D, marketshare, etc, and they intend on owning their entire product line soup to nuts. Intel is and has been their bottleneck.
 
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