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Lighting. cac need specific and special lighting to create the illusion of beauty. That lighting isnt intended to compliment black skin well. Thats why in majority films black actor skin tone looks muted and understated.
Man gtfoh. Vulture was a MAGA cac that lost his gig to big corporation and instead of pulling himself by his bootstraps and getting another fucking job became a terrorist. Killmonger was a revolutionary minded, military minded, oppressed man turned freedom fighter in a foreign land. The two were not remotely the same.
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I saw the movie tonight. It was Awesome.
And while reading through this thread.... Personally, I think you are conflating ALOT of different issues.
Its not really a question of 'What can this movie do for the Black Community'?
No, the Black Panther movie will not cure racism. Or stop police brutality.
Or end the war on drugs. Or write new laws.
But what it CAN do... is 'open new doors' for other storytellers, actors and technical talent...
Both behind and 'in front of' the camera. (For starters)
Btw, Black Film has not always been 'as successful' as you might've thought it has been.
Judging from the box-office numbers, it's probably been more 'influential'... than 'monetarily successful'.
List of the 33 Highest-Grossing Movies of All-Time.... Made by a Black Director:
http://www.indiewire.com/gallery/bl...s-african-american-filmmakers/#!1/stir-crazy/
There are only 33 Movies (made by Black Directors) that have made over $100+ million dollars at the box-office.
Just 33. That's all. In over 50+ years of Black Filmmaking.
In Hollywood.... Money Talks.
That's what MOTIVATES these 'Ari Gold'-types, who can 'greenlight' black movies nowadays, in the first place.
Now Malcolm X is one of 'THE MOST IMPORTANT' films ever made for the black community... but it only made $48 million dollars at the box-office, in 1992. (Which is equivalent to about $102 million in 2018 )
Malcolm X box-office numbers:
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=malcolmx.htm
That amount of money 'doesn't move the needle' at all, in Hollywood.
It doesn't make Hollywood Studio Execs and Movie Distributors REALLY CARE about casting more Black Actors... or even CARE to Distribute movies with a 'predominantly black cast' OVERSEAS, in foreign countries.
But a BILLION DOLLAR Movie?? NOW THAT DOES.
Those types of numbers are like a 'seismic shift' in the landscape.
It's similar to Michael Jordan's impact on the NBA.
Fortune Magazine wrote articles telling how Michael Jordan's career had a $10 Billion dollar impact... ON THE WHOLE ECONOMY.
People bought his Sneakers, his Underwear, his Cologne, his NBA memorabilia, viewership of the NBA around the world WENT UP, therefore Cable Revenue went up, and so did Advertising Revenue, and so did Ticket Sales at all the Arenas around the country, plus Snacks & Concessions sales went through the roof.... which meant that Basketball-Related Income increased, and therefore..... so did NBA Player Salaries.
Even the movies he appeared in (like Space Jam) ALSO made hundreds of millions of dollars.
Jordan even changed 'the betting lines' in Vegas.
Las Vegas LOVED when the Bulls played... because whenever people 'bet against Jordan', for years it was always considered 'a suckers bet'
Because the more some people 'wanted to see him lose'... the MORE MONEY they would pull out of their pocket.... to bet that 'he WOULD lose'.
Fast Forward 20 years later... and Jordan is also one of the main reasons that so many other players today (like Lebron, Curry, KD plus 20+ other current NBA Players) can make over $100+ million dollars in NBA salary alone.
Now ask yourself... what are all those OTHER NBA athletes doing with their salaries to 'help the Black Community'?
That's 'the type of the progress' you should be measuring the Black Panther movie against, imo.
Just saying.
In Hollywood, Movie Studios often try to replicate 'the success' of other Movie Studios.
To determine 'what impact' Black Panther will have (10-20 years from now), you have to ask questions like....
And if all these talented black people start to get more work, as a result...
- How will these Studios now look to capitalize on the success of the BP movie, in their own way?
- How many 'doors' will the BP movie open that have long been closed? (Both in front of & behind the camera.)
- How many other Black Actors will now get a (2nd or 3rd) 'call-back' for a role? Then get hired.
- How many Black Directors will get HIRED to direct a big-budget movie?
That's where 'the progress' takes place.
- What 'stories will they tell'?
- And what will THEY create to 'inspire' the next generation?
Instead of multiple Slave Movies. Or just Comedies. Year after year.
- Sooner rather than later... we might see a Star Trek-type of Franchise... with a predominantly black cast.
- Sooner rather than later... we might see more films about famous Black Entrepreneurs, Black Inventors, Black Engineers, Black Doctors & Black Scientists... with a predominantly black cast.
- Sooner rather than later... we might see more DRAMAS & more THRILLERS & more SCI-FI... with a predominantly black cast.
And those films could inspire more Black youth to pursue STEM careers.
Too many folks think that if this Black Panther Movie doesn't end Police Brutality by next Tuesday... then its all just 'hype'.
The change in the black community that they are looking for... is not going to be seen on the evening news. (Next Week)
The change in the black community that they are looking for... happens gradually. And it's CUMULATIVE.
You will be kidding yourself if you don't think the box-office results of Black Panther will not MOTIVATE other Hollywood Execs to create more movies that involve more Black Actors... more Hispanic Actors... more Asian Actors... and more non-White Actors, in general.
They want MONEY.
Because that's what motivates them.
And that same motivation is what makes Hollywood Execs create multiple spinoffs, sequels, replicas.... and breeds competition.
When they see a 'new revenue stream'... that is largely 'untapped'.... lots of them will try to cash-in. Somehow.
I seen it last night myself
I am only talking about issues that were brought up to me. I'm not trying to go off on tangents or discuss a bunch of different topics. People post, I try to address whatever is brought up. Reading it must look like a mess. Imma address your points in order:
I think we are in agreement. Black Panther might open doors as far as films go. Then again it might not. And it depends on how each of us measure success. I do believe a lot of the films and TV series I listed were successful by a huge margin not only influentially, but monetarily. Blade, Tyler Perry films, Think Like a Man...
And lets not even talk about influence "hellerrrrr" Blade started this superhero MCU shit!
What your doing is setting an unfair bar by saying 100 million without understanding anything about the demographics that support said films. Whites are 61% of the population, you cannot tell me if half of them watch say John Wick that it's the same as 12% of the population supporting Black Dynamite! That's absurdity at it's finest! John Wick will always make it's 100 Mil, and Black Dynamite will struggle to do that due to the sheer fact that it's targeted audience is like 6x smaller! 100 million is like our billion box office wise, 1 billion shouldn't be the standard of box office success for our films. (Black Panther doesn't count, it's a superhero film 1st, already tied to 15 existing smash hits).
"It's similar to Michael Jordan's impact on the NBA.
Fortune Magazine wrote articles telling how Michael Jordan's career had a $10 Billion dollar impact... ON THE WHOLE ECONOMY."
How much of that went to him and his community??? Michael Jordan played ball and shat the fuck up, because he knows even still today if he got political it could easily be a wrap for him, ask Bill Cosby (who was actually influential). So how did his success matter for anyone other than himself, share holders at NIKE and his teams owners? You literally can't say if there was no Michael Jordan there wouldn't be a _______ ..
MJ didn't change athletes having a lucrative sneaker deal, Chuck Taylor predates MJ by like 70 years! Kareem Abdul Jabbar was the first AA to endorse a sneaker so u kind of lost me on that specific point. You know if Jordan never existed players would still be getting 100+ million dollar deals today.
''Even the movies he appeared in (like Space Jam) ALSO made hundreds of millions of dollars.
Jordan even changed 'the betting lines' in Vegas.
Las Vegas LOVED when the Bulls played..."
See we can't separate fun and exciting from actuality. See how misinformed and astray it leads us? Are you seeing my point now? How can your love for something exciting blind you from what's been going on? How are players being treated now??? When Donald Sterling enforced a dress code for guess which players, what could MJ do about it?
And as for your last points I'll sum it up with this.. Again for the umpteenth time. No Black Panther and successful films, Tv music etc. Are NEVER going to gradually put us anywhere because we are living under WHITE SUPREMACY... The entertainment industry is a medium sized cog in that machine. We are purposefully DENIED the same opportunities that non-blacks have otherwise we wouldn't be talking about this. We'd be watching Black Panther in a bunch of theatres owned by someone black.
I am coming to the conclusion that the reason some people want movies, and protests, and dialogues to get us to equality is because the truth is terrifying. You got to physically fight/die for it. We're out gunned and outnumbered, they have more experience being malicious, they are killing our kids, and imprisoning our communities Men, they are pimping our women and pitting them against us, and we feel helpless. Maybe some people can pretend that it's getting better, or that some superhero flick is gonna make the dominant society accept us, I won't.
On another note, I truly did enjoy reading your post. I did learn a lot with some of those sports facts!
And this is overall healthy dialogue. What do you think about what I said?
I want to know what you thought about the movie as well! The wardrobe for that film was insaaaane! Hated Michael B. Jordan's acting,I give it an 8/10!
#KilmongerIsRightTho
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He was. Which is why someone saying he went light on him is funny. He put up a good fight til homeboy got the best of him and embarrassed him in front of his mama, his girl, everybody.
What do you think?
I would agree if the problem wasn't a group of people actively blocking said benefits.
Well it would help if you had children. It's not a feeling that can be explained. Close your eyes and imagine you had to leave your child in his/her youth. Imagine if you were reunited and your child had obviously had a hard life that directly resulted in YOUR absence. You'd cry trust me, you just would.
Not sure. It could be because his son was king, or that him betraying his brother could lead to the downfall of Wakanda, or that his son had a vision for Wakanda.
Can't wait to see it on the big screen.
The perv in me can't wait to see the porn parody.
The perv in me can't wait to see the porn parody.
Like all truly great villains, a piece of you agrees with them. Their methods might be extreme, but their logic is sound. That last line before he died was epic and really drove home his point.
It was basically Malcolm X vs Martin Luther King Jr. A merger of their ideals is the solution.
Yep.
I think dudes are missing the point of your post.
They're comparing the motivations & goals of the villains, without fully embracing what drives them.
Both The Vulture & Killmonger are equally fun & extremely relatable villains and they both represent Marvel's new focus on better fleshed out Phase IV villains/antiheroes.
- The ultimate goal of Killmonger was to free the oppressed Black people of the world by arming them with superior technology and weapons capable of destroying their oppressors everywhere across the globe. And for Wakanda to essentially take over.
- The ultimate goal of The Vulture was no less important than that of Killmonger. He wasn't solely motivated by the acquisition of wealth and power, but it was something FAR MORE primal, basic and relatable on a smaller scale. It is the need for a husband & father to provide for, to keep safe and to protect his family. (Who are both Black, by the way).
Bottmline:
If these two men didn't to kill people, and had they made their struggles public, I feel there is NO DOUBT they could've/would've been seen in a more sympathetic light and supported by society at large.
He drank the herb before fighting to remove the powers so that it could be a fair fight. He drunk it after to heal himself and give him back his powers
I just hate that they have to always kill off the good villains
I seen it last night myself
I am only talking about issues that were brought up to me. I'm not trying to go off on tangents or discuss a bunch of different topics. People post, I try to address whatever is brought up. Reading it must look like a mess. Imma address your points in order:
I think we are in agreement. Black Panther might open doors as far as films go. Then again it might not. And it depends on how each of us measure success.
If Black Panther makes $1 Billion Dollars... YES.... it WILL 'open doors'.
You Know Very Little about The Movie Making Business if you think a BILLION DOLLAR Movie won't provide more Opportunities than movies that make $100 million dollars.
I do believe a lot of the films and TV series I listed were successful by a huge margin not only influentially, but monetarily.
No Black Movie has ever made $1 Billion Dollars at the box office. Not one.
That's the point you're missing. And its a BIG ONE.
A Billion Dollar movie with a 'predominantly Black Cast'.. is a game changer, in Hollywood.
Blade, Tyler Perry films, Think Like a Man...
And lets not even talk about influence "hellerrrrr" Blade started this superhero MCU shit!
What your doing is setting an unfair bar by saying 100 million without understanding anything about the demographics that support said films. Whites are 61% of the population, you cannot tell me if half of them watch say John Wick that it's the same as 12% of the population supporting Black Dynamite! That's absurdity at it's finest! John Wick will always make it's 100 Mil, and Black Dynamite will struggle to do that due to the sheer fact that it's targeted audience is like 6x smaller! 100 million is like our billion box office wise, 1 billion shouldn't be the standard of box office success for our films. (Black Panther doesn't count, it's a superhero film 1st, already tied to 15 existing smash hits).
Dude, what you are doing is HOPING that White Hollywood Studio Executives use your same 'context' when they look at the Box-Office Receipts.
Ummm... Newsflash: THEY DO NOT.
However, $1 Billion Dollars gets their UNDIVIDED attention.
They don't need ANY "context".... to understand the 2 words.... ONE BILLION.
They need "Context' when they put a $45 Million Budget into a Movie.... that only makes $53 Million at the Box-Office.
That's when the 'chest pains' kick-in... or their left arm goes a little numb... and they start reaching for their pills... because suddenly, their breathing got kinda heavy.... that's when they want some 'Context'.... to help them understand 'what went wrong'.
That's when they argue about all the differences between the John Wick-watching.... and Black Dynamite-watching.... Census Population Numbers in non-Urban Areas & Whatnot.
But when you say...ONE BILLION.
They don't need to hear any Context for that.
What they are thinking is.... "How can I get some of that?"
"It's similar to Michael Jordan's impact on the NBA.
Fortune Magazine wrote articles telling how Michael Jordan's career had a $10 Billion dollar impact... ON THE WHOLE ECONOMY."
How much of that went to him and his community??? Michael Jordan played ball and shat the fuck up, because he knows even still today if he got political it could easily be a wrap for him, ask Bill Cosby (who was actually influential). So how did his success matter for anyone other than himself, share holders at NIKE and his teams owners? You literally can't say if there was no Michael Jordan there wouldn't be a _______ ..
MJ didn't change athletes having a lucrative sneaker deal, Chuck Taylor predates MJ by like 70 years! Kareem Abdul Jabbar was the first AA to endorse a sneaker so u kind of lost me on that specific point.
''Even the movies he appeared in (like Space Jam) ALSO made hundreds of millions of dollars.
Jordan even changed 'the betting lines' in Vegas.
Las Vegas LOVED when the Bulls played..."
Once again... you are CONFLATING a few different issues.
You have a problem with Jordan's Actions.... But you cannot separate it from Jordan's Impact.
That's your problem.
What Jordan himself did personally for the Black Community... is very different than the FACT that every team wanted 'to find the next Michael Jordan' when he left the league.
Nobody was looking for 'their own' Michael Jordan'..... BEFORE Jordan came into the league.
But by the time he left... Every team in the league wanted a Michael Jordan 'one of their very own'.
"So and So... is supposed to be the NEXT JORDAN"
How many times have you heard someone say that?
And LOTS of players BENEFITTED from this 'desire'.
And GOT PAID a grip of money.
But you are not asking about what those players did for the Black Community.... Because you are angry at MJ.
That's the point I was making that will never sink in with you.... because you are unable to SEPARATE these 2 issues:
Actions vs. Impact
Actions are what YOU DO personally.
Impact is what OTHERS CAN DO NOW because of what has been done, in the past.
You know if Jordan never existed players would still be getting 100+ million dollar deals today.
No, They would not.Don't kid yourself.
Jordan expanded the audience. Just like Bird & Magic did before him.
Without certain guys in the NBA who had a HUGE IMPACT on the 'viewership numbers'... none of these guys would be signing $100 million dollar contracts today. They go hand-in-hand.
See we can't separate fun and exciting from actuality. See how misinformed and astray it leads us? Are you seeing my point now? How can your love for something exciting blind you from what's been going on? How are players being treated now??? When Donald Sterling enforced a dress code for guess which players, what could MJ do about it?
Why do you expect MJ to 'do something' about a Dress code issue?
Do you think Jordan should be in charge of Maintenance Issues at all the Arenas, also?
If a Black Janitor at the Staples Center gets a 'dress code' enforced on him... should MJ be doing something about it? Do tell.
And as for your last points I'll sum it up with this.. Again for the umpteenth time. No Black Panther and successful films, Tv music etc. Are NEVER going to gradually put us anywhere because we are living under WHITE SUPREMACY... The entertainment industry is a medium sized cog in that machine. We are purposefully DENIED the same opportunities that non-blacks have otherwise we wouldn't be talking about this. We'd be watching Black Panther in a bunch of theatres owned by someone black.
Black Business Ownership is a different issue than 'new opportunities available' in Black Films.
You have a problem SEPARATING the topics of some of your arguments.
Owning Movie Theaters is completely different than Making Movies.
Production vs Distribution.
I do not disagree about White Supremacy... but the context is different.. if you are talking about owning movie theaters & making movies.
Its a whole different discussion / debate. Different business models.
One discussion is about Real Estate. The other is about Entertainment / Hollywood.
I am coming to the conclusion that the reason some people want movies, and protests, and dialogues to get us to equality is because the truth is terrifying. You got to physically fight/die for it. We're out gunned and outnumbered, they have more experience being malicious, they are killing our kids, and imprisoning our communities Men, they are pimping our women and pitting them against us, and we feel helpless. Maybe some people can pretend that it's getting better, or that some superhero flick is gonna make the dominant society accept us, I won't.
On another note, I truly did enjoy reading your post. I did learn a lot with some of those sports facts!
And this is overall healthy dialogue. What do you think about what I said?
I want to know what you thought about the movie as well! The wardrobe for that film was insaaaane! Hated Michael B. Jordan's acting,I give it an 8/10!
#KilmongerIsRightTho
I think you still conflate many different issues.... and lump them all together into one single argument.
I give Black Panther about a 9.3 /or an A-
Overall, I think the Black Panther & Winter Soldier are the 2 BEST movies that Marvel has ever made, so far.
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What if he's not dead?
He dead bruh lol
I'm still waiting on the red skull to come back lol
Never know, in the comics, everyone Comes back
just stepped out the theater...fucking speechless...movie almost moved me to tears like a bitch twice man...jeezus...the film was masterfully done...much props/respect to coogler...from a purely cinematic perspective the movie was well fucking done...enjoyed this shit more than civil war
Holy shit how did I not think of this?
Let's cast it now!
Maserati has to be in it. Who can she be?
I don't think it was relevant to Malcolm and Martin at all. T'challa was isolationist - that's not Martin.
And I don't see how Killmonger can really be related to Malcolm. He was at one point considered to be programmed because of his military training.
One of the soldiers. She'll wrestle some dude to the floor.
I think he is. Damn sure don't think he should've died. Just a convenient comic book kill off of a character. He compared being locked up in Wakanda the same as slavery in the Americas. Hmm
With Dem titttttttaaaaaaays
I'd like to bring Jada Fire out of retirement on this one to play Nakia.
From next week we could have a clear picture on the numbers
sooooooooo.....no soul stone in Wakanda....i thought it would be one of the post credit scenes but nope...
yea...i too actually found myself agreein' with kilmonger...
and i understand for commercial and political reasons....why kilmonger's plan couldn't be implemented and succeed...
and T'Challa gonna start sharin' his country's resources and technology....but he's gonna share it with EVERYBODY....black folks...asians...and WHITE folks...
and y'all study history...so y'all know white people gonna take that technology and use it for corrupt and evil purposes....that should probably be the plot for the sequel....
yea..i wouldn't have killed off kilmonger...so quickly...he was a good villian...but it's Marvel...sooooo they might find a way to bring him back....
stan lee's cameo was funny....
there was some deep dialogue in this movie....
did y'all catch Okoye (Danai Gurira) make that comment on black women and wearin' wigs/weaves??
and for years...white executives at these movie studios...have been sayin'...that they couldn't put any major funding...into making a blockbuster with an all black cast...because it wouldn't bomb internationally...because nobody was interested in seein' an all black cast on screen...
all those executives should be fired on monday...
yea...i too actually found myself agreein' with kilmonger...
and i understand for commercial and political reasons....why kilmonger's plan couldn't be implemented and succeed...
and T'Challa gonna start sharin' his country's resources and technology....but he's gonna share it with EVERYBODY....black folks...asians...and WHITE folks...
and y'all study history...so y'all know white people gonna take that technology and use it for corrupt and evil purposes....that should probably be the plot for the sequel....
yea..i wouldn't have killed off kilmonger...so quickly...he was a good villian...but it's Marvel...sooooo they might find a way to bring him back....
stan lee's cameo was funny....
there was some deep dialogue in this movie....
did y'all catch Okoye (Danai Gurira) make that comment on black women and wearin' wigs/weaves??
and for years...white executives at these movie studios...have been sayin'...that they couldn't put any major funding...into making a blockbuster with an all black cast...because it wouldn't bomb internationally...because nobody was interested in seein' an all black cast on screen...
all those executives should be fired on monday...
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