Assassination Of Malcolm X

[rNubb]

Did you read the Autobiography of Malcolm X or even watch the video that I posed of Malcolm X talking to reporters? If you had then you would know that Elijah Muhammad oldest son Wallace told Malcolm X about those teenage girl and from there Malcolm's trust in Elijah being to erode.

& those teenage girls were not his wives, that's a lie. I've heard that same lie retold since about 1990 so show me the evidence they were married. Show me.

Just to debunk the wives statement, peep this:

19 Children of Muslim Leader Battle a Bank for $5.7 Million
Special to the New York Times
Published: November 3, 1987
CHICAGO, Nov. 2— Nineteen children of Elijah Muhammad, the late Black Muslim leader, have squared off against the world's largest bank in a legal dispute with a $5.7 million bank account at stake.

The battle, in which the bank, Dai Ichi Kangyo of Japan, is allied with Mr. Muhammad's two other children, is yet another chapter in a larger and extremely bitter fight over his multimillion-dollar estate that has divided his family ever since he died without a will in 1975.

On one side of the split family are Herbert Muhammad and his brother Wallace, who inherited from their father the leadership of the Nation of Islam, now known as the Muslim Community of America. In a series of legal skirmishes dating from the late 1970's, 19 legitimate and illegitimate children of Elijah Muhammad have contended that Herbert and Wallace kept property that should have gone to all the heirs from being listed in the inventory of the estate. The Brothers' Position

The two brothers have responded by contending that their father kept his personal property separate from that of the Nation of Islam. But the rival side of the family has won a number of judgments against them, and last March the Muslim Community of America filed for reorganization in Federal Bankruptcy Court here, hoping to save several pieces of the organization's property, including its South Side mosque, from creditors - primarily the 19 Muhammad children.

Among the judgments that have favored the 19 was one issued by the probate division of Cook County Circuit Court, which ordered that the $5.7 million bank account - $3.3 million in principal at the time of Elijah Muhammad's death, $2.4 million in interest since then - be turned over to the children.

The Muslim Community of America wants that judgment to be reversed by the court's appellate division, where an appeal was recently filed by Dai Ichi Kangyo. The bank had already turned the account over to the Muslim Community when the judgment was issued to the heirs, and it has hired one of Chicago's largest law firms, Jenner & Block, to argue that the account, which was built by donations from largely low-income Black Muslims, properly belongs to the religious community. State Supports Bank

The office of the Illinois Attorney General, Neil Hartigan, which represents the interest of state charities, has filed a third-party petition supporting the bank's position.

The hearing on the case is not expected until early next year.

Representing the family is Rufus Cook, a Chicago lawyer who has spent the better part of a decade suing the Muslim Community on behalf of the 19 children. In a separate suit, Mr. Cook has already won a $13 million judgment against the organization for selling off real estate holdings that, a court determined, belonged to the family.


''They simply have never taken into consideration the interests of the illegitimate children,'' Mr. Cook said of Herbert and Wallace Muhammad.

Of the larger struggle, Herbert Muhammad, perhaps best known as a manager of the former heavyweight champion Muhammad Ali, said: ''It is a long-term fight, where none of us will win. It's all being eaten up by legal fees.''


http://www.nytimes.com/1987/11/03/us/19-children-of-muslim-leader-battle-a-bank-for-5.7-million.html

My man. We both know Bigamy is a crime.

1. We know there is no marriage license among those other wives thus they didn't any legal claims.
2. You know that both Warith and Malcolm knew about these women and their children and did nothing.
3. You are being protective of Malcolm while knowing he had unclean hands based on his silence.

Bruh, there are no saints or holy men. They are all just men.

Malcolm wasn't magical.

This team Muhammad vs team Malcolm is still causing an unnecessary division among Black people 50 years later. Both of those men are dead and buried.

I watched the video. I had seen it before. I read the autobiography of malcolm x for the first time in 1987.

Funny thing about the court proceeding you quoted, Wallace/Warith was the son of Muhammad who told Malcolm that his daddy had other women who had bore Mr Muhammad's children. Yet Warith fought to deny them their inheritance.

 

[World B Free]

My man. We both know Bigamy is a crime.

1. We know there is no marriage license among those other wives thus they didn't any legal claims.
2. You know that both Warith and Malcolm knew about these women and their children and did nothing.
3. You are being protective of Malcolm while knowing he had unclean hands based on his silence.

Bruh, there are no saints or holy men. They are all just men.

Malcolm wasn't magical.

This team Muhammad vs team Malcolm is still causing an unnecessary division among Black people 50 years later. Both of those men are dead and buried.

I watched the video. I had seen it before. I read the autobiography of malcolm x for the first time in 1987.

Funny thing about the court proceeding you quoted, Wallace/Warith was the son of Muhammad who told Malcolm that his daddy had other women who had bore Mr Muhammad's children. Yet Warith fought to deny them their inheritance.

There were no "other wives." Just teenagers Elijah Muhammad took advantage of because they were in his flock. Where is the evidence those teenagers were considered his wives? huh? You provided none.

It's interesting that you said Malcolm had unclean hands, however you absolve the perpetrator , Elijah Muhammad. You are protecting Elijah Muhammad. Like I said, Malcolm X didn't know about those morally bankrupt relationships Elijah had with those teenage girls, & again, like I said, when Malcolm X found out that put Malcolm in a crisis, he thought Elijah was the holiest man alive; only to find out Elijah didn't even believe in his own divinity. Malcolm believed in Elijah more than Elijah believed in Elijah.

& who said Malcolm X was magical? I didn't infer that. That's just you attempting to change the subject, you're not slick. & you said "Warith fought to deny them their inheritance," what does that have to do with anything. Nothing. Again, you just attempting to shift the subject.

I'm still on the topic and have more evidence.

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[rNubb]

It's interesting that you said Malcolm had unclean hands, however you absolve the perpetrator , Elijah Muhammad. You are protecting Elijah Muhammad. Like I said, Malcolm X didn't know about those morally bankrupt relationships Elijah had with those teenage girls, & again, like I said, when Malcolm X found out that put Malcolm in a crisis, he thought Elijah was the holiest man alive; only to find out Elijah didn't even believe in his own divinity. Malcolm believed in Elijah more than Elijah believed in Elijah.

& who said Malcolm X was magical? I didn't infer that. That's just you attempting to change the subject, you're not slick. & you said "Warith fought to deny them their inheritance," what does that have to do with anything. Nothing. Again, you just attempting to shift the subject.

I'm still on the topic and have more evidence.

date:

Absolve the perpetrator? That was no crime so no one is a Perp.

I never claimed Muhammad was a moral man. I said there are no holy men.
Muhammad is not holy. Malcolm is not holy.
They are men.
I said that many old ass men marry young ass women.
I said I don't care about Muhammad's morality.

Malcolm had a problem with Muhammad's morality but he didn't act on that information like a man with a personal moral code. Malcolm protected Muhammad, that multiple teenage fucking and 60 year old multiple baby maker. Malcolm's eroding faith didn't move him enough to protect those young women and their children. If Malcolm believed in Muhammad more than Muhammad believed in himself then Malcolm was stupid ass fuck.

Muhammad was running game and Malcolm was on his bullshit too. Lastly, Warith was on his bullshit too. That's why he snitched on his daddy.

No clean hands.

 

[theteacher]

I love,
but sometimes hate my people.
We're the ONLY race that does this to our people.​

 

[World B Free]

Absolve the perpetrator? That was no crime so no one is a Perp.

I never claimed Muhammad was a moral man. I said there are no holy men.
Muhammad is not holy. Malcolm is not holy.
They are men.
I said that many old ass men marry young ass women.
I said I don't care about Muhammad's morality.

Malcolm had a problem with Muhammad's morality but he didn't act on that information like a man with a personal moral code. Malcolm protected Muhammad, that multiple teenage fucking and 60 year old multiple baby maker. Malcolm's eroding faith didn't move him enough to protect those young women and their children. If Malcolm believed in Muhammad more than Muhammad believed in himself then Malcolm was stupid ass fuck.

Muhammad was running game and Malcolm was on his bullshit too. Lastly, Warith was on his bullshit too. That's why he snitched on his daddy.

No clean hands.

I added this "There were no 'other wives.' Just teenagers Elijah Muhammad took advantage of because they were in his flock. Where is the evidence those teenagers were considered his wives? huh? You provided none."

Now, I'll respond to what you said:

Again, you said Malcolm X had "unclean hands," now you tell me what was dirty? Huh? You refuse to acknowledge the perpetrator of this dirt was Elijah Muhammah, he was the source, ...using his teenage flock to satisfy his perverse sexual wants. Where is the evidence of these "other wives"? You have presented none. Like said these were teenagers he took advantage of.
& Malcolm X did act on the info, eventually. I can tell you don't remember his Autobiography. Those teenage girls was one of the pillars of disengagement from The Nation when all was said and done.

 

[rNubb]

I added this "There were no 'other wives.' Just teenagers Elijah Muhammad took advantage of because they were in his flock. Where is the evidence those teenagers were considered his wives? huh? You provided none."

Now, I'll respond to what you said:

Again, you said Malcolm X had "unclean hands," now you tell me what was dirty? Huh? You refuse to acknowledge the perpetrator of this dirt was Elijah Muhammah, he was the source, ...using his teenage flock to satisfy his perverse sexual wants. Where is the evidence of these "other wives"? You have presented none. Like said these were teenagers he took advantage of.
& Malcolm X did act on the info, eventually. I can tell you don't remember his Autobiography. Those teenage girls was one of the pillars of disengagement from The Nation when all was said and done.

http://ccnmtl.columbia.edu/projects/ecourse/0402/web/part02/part02_sect03.html

Third paragraph.

Evelyn X Williams later informed the press, "He told us that under the teaching of the Holy Koran, we were not committing adultery and that we were his wives."

Next, why use the word, perverse? Men fuck women everyday. Older men fuck younger women everyday.

You used the word, eventually. Cool, I'll take that.

 

[World B Free]

http://ccnmtl.columbia.edu/projects/ecourse/0402/web/part02/part02_sect03.html

Third paragraph.

Evelyn X Williams later informed the press, "He told us that under the teaching of the Holy Koran, we were not committing adultery and that we were his wives."

Next, why use the word, perverse? Men fuck women everyday. Older men fuck younger women everyday.

You used the word, eventually. Cool, I'll take that.

Evelyn was not a teenager and Elijah's use of "wives" was just sweet talk to get the pussy. duh. Of course, he's going to use religious language to have sexual relations, that's part of the perversity.

& then you say "men fuck women everyday," ...how many of those men are considered a "Prophet" and a "Messenger" from God, huh? How many? There is the moral aspect you fail to address and want to brush over. One of the main reasons Malcolm X left The Nation was because of the immorality of Elijah Muhammad. This is something you cannot explain away by saying "men fuck women everyday."

 

[The Plutonian]

Malcolm X talks about the teenage girls at the 1:47 mark:

Some people will still dispute this even though the man said the shit himself. The nation of Islam was also afraid of Malcolm X. His morals were indefensible. You couldn't corrupt him. And yes he was killed in part because of this. Everyone was not 18. A dude father's 19 children by using his influence over the nation. That's a cocksucker to me. Why would Malcolm say that once he found out what Elijah was doing he had a problem with it. He disconnected himself from the Nation.

 

[The Plutonian]

http://ccnmtl.columbia.edu/projects/ecourse/0402/web/part02/part02_sect03.html

Third paragraph.

Evelyn X Williams later informed the press, "He told us that under the teaching of the Holy Koran, we were not committing adultery and that we were his wives."

Next, why use the word, perverse? Men fuck women everyday. Older men fuck younger women everyday.

You used the word, eventually. Cool, I'll take that.

I tell women you my wifey all the time but never teens and def no one I am supposed to be leading. You say Malcolm wasn't innocent, of course he wasn't. He took action! That was part of the division of the Nation and I think of course it encouraged the hit on his life. The Nation felt Malcolm was disrespecting the prophet. Elijah disrespected himself

 

[ORIGINAL NATION]

Some people will still dispute this even though the man said the shit himself. The nation of Islam was also afraid of Malcolm X. His morals were indefensible. You couldn't corrupt him. And yes he was killed in part because of this. Everyone was not 18. A dude father's 19 children by using his influence over the nation. That's a cocksucker to me. Why would Malcolm say that once he found out what Elijah was doing he had a problem with it. He disconnected himself from the Nation.

What you are saying is the opposite. Malcolm was used to cause what happened. What I mean by that is the confusion and not the message. We pay taxes for the support of women and little girls to be trafficked all over the world. And this shit has always been going on. Christopher Columbus was pimping women and little girls and he was trafficking them also. Elijah son was a Judas and he lead a lot of the followers away from black nationalism to so called orthodox islam. But the prophet himself was given a 6 year old as a birthday gift. There is a lot of stuff hid right in our face. Presidents have always had mistresses and under age females on the side. Only thing about presidents is that they were all junkies while in office. All of them from George Washington to the devil in office now.
How do we break the control of the devil is what this is all about. And we will never do it with our mouths in whitey kitchen. That is the start. Well at least that is how I started. Now I just got to prove myself and get the money to build a foundation for a way out.

 

[three-fifths]

my theory is that malcolm x, at that junction in his life, had spoken and formulated an 'independence' plan for the american black man, as far as he could (his life being most recently imperiled, curtailed any future designs).

malcolm x (via his extensive perusal of rare theological and scripture material) also believed in the apocalyptic demise of the white man. he knew that the american black man then was too cowardly to physically fight and defeat the white man; and therefore by default relied upon those prophecies.

 

[The Plutonian]

What you are saying is the opposite. Malcolm was used to cause what happened. What I mean by that is the confusion and not the message. We pay taxes for the support of women and little girls to be trafficked all over the world. And this shit has always been going on. Christopher Columbus was pimping women and little girls and he was trafficking them also. Elijah son was a Judas and he lead a lot of the followers away from black nationalism to so called orthodox islam. But the prophet himself was given a 6 year old as a birthday gift. There is a lot of stuff hid right in our face. Presidents have always had mistresses and under age females on the side. Only thing about presidents is that they were all junkies while in office. All of them from George Washington to the devil in office now.
How do we break the control of the devil is what this is all about. And we will never do it with our mouths in whitey kitchen. That is the start. Well at least that is how I started. Now I just got to prove myself and get the money to build a foundation for a way out.

But you see that's just it. Elijah wasn't any different from any other leader. So that means in turn X was Judas as well? I think X wanted a purer nation, not one susceptible to the corruption. All that other stuff I already know, I also believe Malcolm wanted to start a political party and obtain true power. But let me ask you this: does that make it ok what Elijah did then? I mean last I checked he has 22 children. Out of wedlock. He did other great things too but in my eyes that taints him. Speaking as a man, I know the flesh is weak. But there has to be a limit to what a man does. Having sex with teenagers is a problem for me. Other people obviously didn't have an issue with this as you could tell by how things were divided. Eventually I believe Malcolm would have taken over but they killed him.

 

[ORIGINAL NATION]

But you see that's just it. Elijah wasn't any different from any other leader. So that means in turn X was Judas as well? I think X wanted a purer nation, not one susceptible to the corruption. All that other stuff I already know, I also believe Malcolm wanted to start a political party and obtain true power. But let me ask you this: does that make it ok what Elijah did then? I mean last I checked he has 22 children. Out of wedlock. He did other great things too but in my eyes that taints him. Speaking as a man, I know the flesh is weak. But there has to be a limit to what a man does. Having sex with teenagers is a problem for me. Other people obviously didn't have an issue with this as you could tell by how things were divided. Eventually I believe Malcolm would have taken over buy they killed him.

does that make it ok what Elijah did then? It might now make it ok but the message and the mission was way more important than what he did. The real attitude they had was that we must keep moving.
The respect and love I have for Elijah was his message and his mission and also what he accomplished. I use to live with a Muslim couple. The brother told me there is 2 sides to every story and that he was just trying to get me to check out both sides. I never did check out both sides then. But years later I stumbled across a magazine with Farrakhan in it. I turned to the page where the article on him started. He had bodyguards around him just like the president. And any black male raised in America would be glad to see a position and organization that is black and started by blacks with some kind of power. I caught on fire and was very interested. I got a subscription to the Final Call and started buying tapes and videos of their events and speeches. After listening to a few of them I caught on fire. And been on fire every since.
William Muhammad tried to recruit me. While he was doing that the police was trying to bury me. So before that could happen I ended up in prison. He came by my place a few times to visit but I was gone. In fact I ended up gone for 15 years. Before I got out they tried to give me life without before I could step foot outside the prison. I beat the case I caught in prison or else I would have never got out.
So far the miracle has been staying out.

 

[The Plutonian]

does that make it ok what Elijah did then? It might now make it ok but the message and the mission was way more important than what he did. The real attitude they had was that we must keep moving.
The respect and love I have for Elijah was his message and his mission and also what he accomplished. I use to live with a Muslim couple. The brother told me there is 2 sides to every story and that he was just trying to get me to check out both sides. I never did check out both sides then. But years later I stumbled across a magazine with Farrakhan in it. I turned to the page where the article on him started. He had bodyguards around him just like the president. And any black male raised in America would be glad to see a position and organization that is black and started by blacks with some kind of power. I caught on fire and was very interested. I got a subscription to the Final Call and started buying tapes and videos of their events and speeches. After listening to a few of them I caught on fire. And been on fire every since.
William Muhammad tried to recruit me. While he was doing that the police was trying to bury me. So before that could happen I ended up in prison. He came by my place a few times to visit but I was gone. In fact I ended up gone for 15 years. Before I got out they tried to give me life without before I could step foot outside the prison. I beat the case I caught in prison or else I would have never got out.
So far the miracle has been staying out.

Yea I do agree about the mission but him as a person, not so much. I applaud you for changing your life due to the influence of it though. Sometimes you have to get what's positive from it and leave the rest. Much respect to you.

 

[moblack]

I hate that movie...

Why? Speak on it

 

[World B Free]

Why? Speak on it

Yeah, fam, I did speak on it...............scroll back I explained why in detail....

 

[The Plutonian]

I used to live next door to a brother who was at one time part of the NOI. He literally told me the same thing. I asked him what was the other side then. He said that Malcolm wanted one of them young woman for himself. She ended up marrying Elijah and he couldn't get over it. He had to "settle" for Betty. That's the unsaid thing in this whole Malcolm vs Elijah debate. That was the root of his beef, not some moral inconsistency he discovered in his teacher.
To me that explains his behavior. Why would you become upset and leave the organization after you are disciplined and suspended for opening your mouth about JFK when you and all the other noi preachers were told to stfu about kennedy getting his head blown off? His emotions got the best of him. Combine that with jealous noi zealots and fbi agents in bowties and it created the perfect storm for his murder. IMO he really didn't stand a chance.

And there is a problem with that story. X character wasn’t petty like that. I’d never believe that bs. One woman that Malcolm wanted for himself? Man please

 

[ORIGINAL NATION]

And there is a problem with that story. X character wasn’t petty like that. I’d never believe that bs. One woman that Malcolmwanted for himself? Man please

Yea that story does not sound right. They use to call Elijah, (Mr. Muhammad). Malcolm was the one that started that, (the most honorable Elijah Muhammad). He held Elijah at the highest person in his life. And he had a good reason to.

 

[moblack]

The character of Red is an inverted “magical Negro,” he’s a narrator instead of being buried in the story at the fringes. Though the Red character has the illusion of equal standing through the film as we dive deeper into the film we see Red’s character only exists to show the goodness of the main white character Andy & to assist that white character in meeting his goals.

We can witness the idea of goodness at the onset, Andy is presumed innocent of his crime while the Red didn’t have much of reason why he murdered someone, Red just murdered someone thus we cannot place the veil of innocence on him. Through the film it is Red’s only job is to convince us of the goodness of Andy. Red is wise & knowledgeable, however those qualities are only used to assist Andy’s life, it’s as if Red is the servant to the needs of Andy.

Even near the end of film when Red is released, instead of carving out a life of his own he is still bound by the whims of Andy. Andy directs Red to a hidden box, when I originally saw the film I thought there was going to be enough money so Red could live comfortably & independently, however it was only enough to further assist now escaped criminal Andy in Mexico. Again, Red is roped into being a flunky for Andy, & Red risks his freedom by adding & abetting an escapee; that’s the life of a Magical Negro…I guess.

Dam dam dam what you speak of is true. Jokingly Red didn’t help Andy out with them Sisters. Let that be his problem lol. So Red was the 90s version of Bagger Vance.

 

[moblack]

The character of Red is an inverted “magical Negro,” he’s a narrator instead of being buried in the story at the fringes. Though the Red character has the illusion of equal standing through the film as we dive deeper into the film we see Red’s character only exists to show the goodness of the main white character Andy & to assist that white character in meeting his goals.

We can witness the idea of goodness at the onset, Andy is presumed innocent of his crime while the Red didn’t have much of reason why he murdered someone, Red just murdered someone thus we cannot place the veil of innocence on him. Through the film it is Red’s only job is to convince us of the goodness of Andy. Red is wise & knowledgeable, however those qualities are only used to assist Andy’s life, it’s as if Red is the servant to the needs of Andy.

Even near the end of film when Red is released, instead of carving out a life of his own he is still bound by the whims of Andy. Andy directs Red to a hidden box, when I originally saw the film I thought there was going to be enough money so Red could live comfortably & independently, however it was only enough to further assist now escaped criminal Andy in Mexico. Again, Red is roped into being a flunky for Andy, & Red risks his freedom by adding & abetting an escapee; that’s the life of a Magical Negro…I guess.

Man read this about Shawshank Redemption

@K Luv

 

[World B Free]

Dam dam dam what you speak of is true. Jokingly Red didn’t help Andy out with them Sisters. Let that be his problem lol. So Red was the 90s version of Bagger Vance.

Mannnn, if I got out of prison & did my time I'm definitely not helping some prison fugitive, I'm not risking my freedom. Plus, I'll have a girlfriend and would be fucking, making up for lost time. Instead of the film taking this into consideration, Red is off to help Andy ...it's like Red is a hollowed out person; he only exists for the whims of Andy.

 

[Lexx Diamond]

Rest in peace el Hajj Malik el Shabazz.