Man... Aint that the truth!! Ill add, in 96 when music industry cleaned housed and changed the whole way we look and listen to music!! Music was forever changed!!!
Whycome theres no more big men crooners and blind musical geniuses?
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Man... Aint that the truth!! Ill add, in 96 when music industry cleaned housed and changed the whole way we look and listen to music!! Music was forever changed!!!
Lack of opportunities to learn music if you’re poor.
Black artists didn't go to music school to learn music.
It's Show BUSINESS. Everything is predicated on the companies, more specifically, the CEOs, board members and investors, making huge profits while paying minimum overhead. Believe me, if the next money making fad was fat, blind singers you'd have so many of them you wouldn't be able to keep up.
I never said he wasn't but make em black and does he get the same props to the same degree in the mainstream?? be honest..
Honestly yeah if u got above par talent u got it. Jay took the torch via from Biggie and ran the marathon. Skated over toward the burbs and had the kids of conservative cacs blasting his music.
Hell lets look at us as a flickle ass fanbase. U gotta dress like ya 19. Use current social media slang and bend over backwards. I honestly don't see how many artist do it. After the newness wear off we on toward the next shiny present. Its a lot more trouble then its worth.
U2 concert was packed no empty seats. No artist wise had on Gucci or a diamond chain. Rock, Country fans support no matter what. No one puts an age limit on the genre and its artist. U can have a Jay z , Slim Shady , Fabolous and u can have the migos.
I just copped an original photo Jimi Hendrix and Keith Richards for the house. The gallery owner tried to figure out my angle cause no younger brehs every come through to the gallery.
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10 Years???
Fred's been rapping for over 20+ years, back when his dad was security for the Tunnel. Back in the day it was Fred and a dude named Deedan, rap name Slim, who sounded just like JadaKiss (mostly due to that fact, cats were checking for Deedan more), formed the initial TBM "The Bronx Malitia". Even Fred himself went on record stating that "...They told me to lose some weight, discriminate on my image..."
Check the 2:00 mark.
Fam, even has a song called "Too Fat".
You know about Fred...
I just do not get it.
He SHOULD be a star...
He has had some door production guest verses other successful artists would kill for
Could it be he just needs a Co sign?
Could a bad boy, terror squad, maybach music top dawg or g unit chain make a difference?
This has been addressed before and recently;the answer is simply this,all the soul singers have been replaced by white people who aren't half as talented but are packaged well enough to sell and that was said by stephanie mills.
People don't support nearly as much as they used to by going to shows of artist,we have a younger generation who don't and hardly ever go to a show;smaller crowds smaller money smaller vengues...ect.500 motherfuckers will pack a small vengue to see Chief Keeth at $20 a ticket rather than to see Jahiem and at that show someone will more than not,like see the emergancy room for something or another.
I ask people this all the time,when was the last time you went to Itunes or something like it and purchased a song for 99cents from your favorite artist?...well that's also part of the problem.
Addressing the youtube singer's....the one's that can sing,don't know how to capitalizing off of it,making money on clicks but you can't do it singing other's songs,selling merch when you have a string following,even if it's nothing more than just t-shirts ,signed cd's and lastly stage presence,whoa! I went to this nigga named Sir Charles show,I knew nothing about him other than what I looked up on youtube because I was given the tickets,went to his show which had 99% females,milf's city we were like one of the only young people there and when he came out singing,the nigga stood in one spot,his vocals weren't the best and it looked like he spent more on his sunglasses than his outfit,it was 20 minutes of pure bullshit and most were leaving before he finished.......now he done fucked up his money,he comes back and he's lucky if he get's 10 people to come to his show and while he was doing his show he should of had a team selling t-shirts,cd's and whatever else in the crowd,it might of not sold that not but someone would of purchased one im sure.Amateurs at the Apollo do better on stage......
People don't support nearly as much as they used to by going to shows of artist,we have a younger generation who don't and hardly ever go to a show;smaller crowds smaller money smaller vengues...ect.500 motherfuckers will pack a small vengue to see Chief Keeth at $20 a ticket rather than to see Jahiem and at that show someone will more than not,like see the emergancy room for something or another.
I ask people this all the time,when was the last time you went to Itunes or something like it and purchased a song for 99cents from your favorite artist?...well that's also part of the problem.
Addressing the youtube singer's....the one's that can sing,don't know how to capitalizing off of it,making money on clicks but you can't do it singing other's songs,selling merch when you have a string following,even if it's nothing more than just t-shirts ,signed cd's and lastly stage presence,whoa! I went to this nigga named Sir Charles show,I knew nothing about him other than what I looked up on youtube because I was given the tickets,went to his show which had 99% females,milf's city we were like one of the only young people there and when he came out singing,the nigga stood in one spot,his vocals weren't the best and it looked like he spent more on his sunglasses than his outfit,it was 20 minutes of pure bullshit and most were leaving before he finished.......now he done fucked up his money,he comes back and he's lucky if he get's 10 people to come to his show and while he was doing his show he should of had a team selling t-shirts,cd's and whatever else in the crowd,it might of not sold that not but someone would of purchased one im sure.Amateurs at the Apollo do better on stage......
Today's music has no soul.
Artists aren't being groomed by the labels to make musical masterpieces anymore.
It's about following a formula and keeping it simple.
It's not about the music, it's about the beat.
"Can I dance to this beat? Can I fuck to this beat? Ok, get an auto-tuned nigga or a high voiced nigga have him sing about partying or fucking. Hit."
That's R&B today. Keeping it simple.
Having a strong voice, or being a beast on the keys or whatever - that shit doesn't matter to this generation.
And if it still matters to you, you should probably go on the internet and look for it because it's not going to be on your internet radio or be on your Youtube suggestions until you do.
Because by today's music standards, the closest thing you'll get to a blind singing nigga is Fetty Wap, and if you want some fat singing niggas to listen to, D.R.A.M. and 24hrs is about it, and they aren't singers.
Artists aren't being groomed by the labels to make musical masterpieces anymore.
It's about following a formula and keeping it simple.
It's not about the music, it's about the beat.
"Can I dance to this beat? Can I fuck to this beat? Ok, get an auto-tuned nigga or a high voiced nigga have him sing about partying or fucking. Hit."
That's R&B today. Keeping it simple.
Having a strong voice, or being a beast on the keys or whatever - that shit doesn't matter to this generation.
And if it still matters to you, you should probably go on the internet and look for it because it's not going to be on your internet radio or be on your Youtube suggestions until you do.
Because by today's music standards, the closest thing you'll get to a blind singing nigga is Fetty Wap, and if you want some fat singing niggas to listen to, D.R.A.M. and 24hrs is about it, and they aren't singers.
Cosign what everyone else has said in this thread, plus...
Music doesn't sell like it does 15, 20+ years ago.
The internet and streaming music apps have killed the ability to build suspense and artistry in the making.
Everyone's angle is to be EVERYWHERE on the internet, even if you have only one hot song.
If you can't hold the young, target audience via Snapchat, IG, etc...no one's investing money into you.
It's not about the artistry anymore - it's about the entire product and how much money can be made off of you, period.
Music doesn't sell like it does 15, 20+ years ago.
The internet and streaming music apps have killed the ability to build suspense and artistry in the making.
Everyone's angle is to be EVERYWHERE on the internet, even if you have only one hot song.
If you can't hold the young, target audience via Snapchat, IG, etc...no one's investing money into you.
It's not about the artistry anymore - it's about the entire product and how much money can be made off of you, period.
Co sign
And this may sound corny
But there is no MYSTERY anymore
I know EVERYTHING about the artist
Which instead of making them more attractive gives me more reason to dislike them outside their music which makes me dislike their ACTUAL music
I do not need the meaning behind every single line of every song
Not that most of the music now is THAT deep anyway.
But I loved trying to figure out what the song means reading the liner notes digging for the samples etc...
Now it's just do much information
Much of it repeatative and useless.
Funny I do enjoy the long form podcast interviews with OLDER artists.
I think there is a type of nostalgic difference
You aint wrong...
But damn after a 100 years of entertainment
What the f*ck is IT anyway?
And why is it so damn elusive
Cause it's weird rae sremmurd got it...
And using it.
Had this discussion with one of my friends. By today's standards, bands like Steely Dan, Earth, Wind, & Fire, Pink Floyd, and Parliament/Funkadelic probably wouldn't have made it. They're some of the greatest bands ever, but didn't have a hit right out the gate. Back then, labels gave acts room and time to develop. These days, they can't do that. If an act doesn't hit on its first single or album, A&R cats are scared that they'll lose their jobs, so they cut and move on to the next. Look how long it took the Temptations to break. Do you think a label today would've ridden it out? Maybe, maybe not.
But do think the power of the internet and social media wouldn't have propelled them anyway?
That much talent would have definitely created a loyal PAYING fan base.
And cats from that generation knew how to tour to travel put in a REAL LIVE SHOW.
Imagine the revenue streams those acts would have acess to?
Streaming live shows for yahoo, itunes, Tidal, facebook, complex, Google etc
The streams and downloads
Endorsements
Their music being used in movies tv and commercials?
I think that if they had solid representation EARLY they could maybe have been bigger?
If that is possible?
It's hard to really do this justice because of the technology available now and the the MANY MANY misteps the music industry had since Napster.
Cause think of how many rappers including yourself
entire careers would have been different if back in the day
IF you did NOT need DISTRIBUTION?
amd you could record mix master all by yourself in your basement?
Agree.. also the move in the last 20 years AWAY from musicianship..literal instrument playing...with the exception of the Roots and while they get a lot of RESPECT their popularity is meh.. there are no prominent hit making BANDS in black music.
So EWF, Heatwave, Rose Royce, WAR, Sly and Family Stone, etc etc NONE of them would be around today if they had to start in this century.
I didn't mention Heatwave or bands like Rose Royce and Con Funk Shun, because they had a hit right out of the gate.Agree.. also the move in the last 20 years AWAY from musicianship..literal instrument playing...with the exception of the Roots and while they get a lot of RESPECT their popularity is meh.. there are no prominent hit making BANDS in black music.
So EWF, Heatwave, Rose Royce, WAR, Sly and Family Stone, etc etc NONE of them would be around today if they had to start in this century.
Shit, Parliament NEEDED Neil Bogart & Casablanca! Without that machine behind them, they wouldn't have been able to afford to put on the shows they did!
Shit, Parliament NEEDED Neil Bogart & Casablanca! Without that machine behind them, they wouldn't have been able to afford to put on the shows they did!
I stand corrected Uncle Chuck
But you know what I mean
Dudes making damn movies on their iPhone
Imagine the videos those groups could make NOW?
a fraction of the cost.
True. As for the bands touring part, this is why I'm a HUGE Mint Condition fan. They be getting it in, and they put on a great show. Sadly, you have solo artists that LOVE playing with a band, but oft times, can't afford to tour with one.
Just how costly is it to tour with a band?
Let's say you're an artist on a small boutique label with a 6 piece touring band with 3 background singers (10 people) in NYC, and you have a gig in Seattle. You've got to lodge, feed, and pay them as well as get them to the city you're playing in. That's a cost most promoters aren't willing to eat, and you can't afford to do it out of pocket, because that wouldn't be a good ROI, especially if you're only getting about $2500 for the gig.
Well damn!
see I wonder then
could a 360 deal even in this NEW music industry be actually a GOOD idea for some artists?
Yeah, but you'd have to be on a label that has the loot to do that. If not, you grab your guitar, hire a DJ, and hit the road.
have you every played in a band behind a rapper?
Yeah, more than a few times. Those seem to be more freer, because you can go into "dee jay" mode, and play basslines that would mix well with what they're doing. If they're rapping over "Heartbeat" by Tanaa Gardner, you can come in with "Show Me Where You're Coming From" by Carrie Lucas for the first half of the 2nd verse before going back to the "Heartbeat" bassline. On the negative side, they can hum a bassline to you on stage to do a freestyle, and it might be some shit you can't pick up right away, or even worse, a bassline you can't play at all!
nah fred really aint make it cause of how he looks... this been discussed by many in the industry for yrs.. done had sitdowns with certain people and everybody say the samething.. give his flow and lyrics to somebody who broads deem attractive and he would've been put on..even dudes respect his flow but be like look at this hideous nig.. so imagine if he came out with a track about fucking or smashing a chick and dudes would be like yeah rite nig and broads would laugh like nobody believes you.. b4 you talk about biggie he was pushed by the machine called puff which changes a lot of things..plus audience is diff in the 90's compared to 2010's
This is what's crazy about this industry, because it worked for Biggie. Dude was fat with a lazy eye, and he won bigly. As for your audience comment, I agree.
as a respected MC yourself and being around hip hop pioneers in the early days ...
and listening to hip hop NOW
do you think having a SOLID musical background like being able to READ music or play an instrument
HELPS or HURTS a MC?
Cause I have heard that sometimes OVER INTELLECTUALIZING certain forms of music like hip hop can somehow take AWAY from it?
puff is the ultimate promoter.. plus he had the rite beats that moved you with the rite flow that went with it.. remember we actually still danced at parties in the 90's so it didn't matter what he looked liked..that beat hot we like what you saying cool you get a pass..lyrics got you crazy props back in the days..remember men was still buying music like that to.. now a days prob more chicks