lmao Trump officially puts an end to DACA (with 6 month delay)

[Amajorfucup]

Clearly "A companion of fools suffers harm" went over your head.

This is your problem.. You think anything you say is capable of going over anyones head. As if you have anything clever or nuanced enough to share. You're a moron bro. And the worst kind.. One who thinks he is smart.

And picking at the edges of my rebuttals, while helpful in obscuring the main point, will never change the fact that I am clearly correct when I tell you that "a lot of Dreamers voted for Trump is utter nonsense." When I said illegals don't vote, that's basically true..

You're too fucking stupid to see the blatant contradiction here. You're pathetic. Sincerely.

You claimed A LOT of Dreamers voted for Trump. Voter rolls have been examined many times and in many ways. I've linked to studies of voter rolls which provide evidence as to the myth of voter impersonation. Again, I ask, what the hell backs up your assertion besides hot & foul wind?

And you claimed dreamers NEVER supported Trump. You also claimed illegals dont vote. Both patently absurd and equally wrong. You then discounted the proof as immaterial and moonwalked on your hard line stance. You are full of shit.

Hell, You even bullshit yourself about how much time you allegedly have to "go back and forth"..

 

[Art Vandelay]

It's fucked up that's he's torturing people like this, but at the same time, every time he does something like this, it decreases his chances of passing any real legislation. The GOP can't move on anything because they're spending a majority of their time putting out Trump's fires. They already had a big plate to clean...and one that looks unlikely to clean as tax reform has less agreement than healthcare reform in the GOP... and now he just tossed immigration reform on top of it.

In a sense, his opponents are lucky that he's so incompetent because they should have done way more damage than they have so far.. they've done a lot but it could have been way worse

That's why I think Democrats are stupid to seek impeachment unless it is simply a mode of obstruction. Actually replacing him with Pence would be a nightmare in terms of the negativity unleash upon people's lives. There would be a lot of failure, too-- The ACA replacement failure wasn't just on Trump-- but largely you'd see the same exact agenda but with a lot more success. And a much more likely re-election with a chance to get a bigger legislative majority behind him, as Pence would be treated as Jesus Christ himself after every speech by contrast against Trump.

 

[Art Vandelay]

This is your problem.. You think anything you say is capable of going over anyones head. As if you have anything clever or nuanced enough to share. You're a moron bro. And the worst kind.. One who thinks he is smart.

You're too fucking stupid to see the blatant contradiction here. You're pathetic. Sincerely.

And you claimed dreamers NEVER supported Trump. You also claimed illegals dont vote. Both patently absurd and equally wrong. You then discounted the proof as immaterial and moonwalked on your hard line stance. You are full of shit.

Hell, You even bullshit yourself about how much time you allegedly have to "go back and forth"..

How the hell can you keep repeating the same wrong point about my rebuttals and refuse to address your main point??? Your tactic is clear and you should be embarrassed. This is Sean Hannity style arguing.

 

[Amajorfucup]

How the hell can you keep repeating the same wrong point about my rebuttals and refuse to address your main point??? Your tactic is clear and you should be embarrassed. This is Sean Hannity style arguing.

Are you asking me why im replying to and illustrating the idiocy in the bullshit you retort with? Yep.. you truly are a dullard.

Just go back to pretending you're too busy to respond..

 

[Art Vandelay]

Are you asking me why im replying to and illustrating the idiocy in the bullshit you retort with? Yep.. you truly are a dullard.

Just go back to pretending you're too busy to respond..

"A LOT of Dreamers voted for Trump." You refuse to address it. I've addressed your rebuttals to my rebuttals. If you just seek to obscure the main point, I shouldn't go forward with this.

"A LOT of Dreamers voted for Trump." You hide from it. You talk about Benghazi, figuratively, or two Dreamers supporting Trump to dismiss my 95% true statements as absurd, literally. You insult me 100 different ways.

BUT YOU CAN NOT DEFEND "A LOT of Dreamers voted for Trump."

 

[Amajorfucup]

"A LOT of Dreamers voted for Trump." You refuse to address it. I've addressed your rebuttals to my rebuttals. If you just seek to obscure the main point, I shouldn't go forward with this.

"A LOT of Dreamers voted for Trump." You hide from it. You talk about Benghazi, figuratively, or two Dreamers supporting Trump to dismiss my 95% true statements as absurd, literally. You insult me 100 different ways.

BUT YOU CAN NOT DEFEND "A LOT of Dreamers voted for Trump."

Hide from what fool? I said what i said... Go thru the posts, i articulated my point and provided illustration, accounts and numbers supporting it. YOU discounted them as anecdotal dumbass. YOU said they NEVER supported the guy and that illegal voting doesnt happen. Those are lies. Now you question why i point out how you are patently wrong? Man go back to that community college and give them people back they degree. And i dont insult you 100 different ways troll. You insult yourself.

 

[Art Vandelay]

Hide from what fool? I said what i said... Go thru the posts, i articulated my point and provided illustration, accounts and numbers supporting it. YOU discounted them as anecdotal dumbass. YOU said they NEVER supported the guy and that illegal voting doesnt happen. Those are lies. Now you question why i point out how you are patently wrong? Man go back to that community college and give them people back they degree. And i dont insult you 100 different ways troll. You insult yourself.

What numbers? Fuck your "go through the posts." You've provided zero proof that a lot of Dreamers voted, let alone "A LOT of Dreamers voted for Trump."

 

[Amajorfucup]

What numbers? Fuck your "go through the posts." You've provided zero proof that a lot of Dreamers voted, let alone "A LOT of Dreamers voted for Trump."

Go read the posts shitstain. Its there including first hand accounts that you dismissed as anecdotal you piece of shit. Meanwhile you stated they never supported Drumpf. LIE. You said non citizens never vote. LIE. Fuck off troll.

 

[Art Vandelay]

Go read the posts shitstain. Its there including first hand accounts that you dismissed as anecdotal you piece of shit. Meanwhile you stated they never supported Drumpf. LIE. You said non citizens never vote. LIE. Fuck off troll.

I dismissed your "first hand accounts" as anecdotal but you're upset because you clearly don't know what anecdotal means. Okay. So the closest thing you have to proof is that people have said it happens. But nothing from all the canvasses that have ever been done of the voter record. Gotcha.

 

[Flawless]

What numbers? Fuck your "go through the posts." You've provided zero proof that a lot of Dreamers voted, let alone "A LOT of Dreamers voted for Trump."

only US citizens can vote in the general election

 

[Art Vandelay]

only US citizens can vote in the general election

That would be correct on an SAT test but some folks would forever hound you as a liar because a couple of people said they saw brown people voting and just knew they had to have been illegal.

More than 99% of people who vote are US citizens, despite what jackasses on talk radio and other nitwits claim.

 

[Art Vandelay]

That would be correct on an SAT test but some folks would forever hound you as a liar because a couple of people said they saw brown people voting and just knew they had to have been illegal.

More than 99% of people who vote are US citizens, despite what jackasses on talk radio and other nitwits claim.

Oops, I didn't say "99% of people who vote in the US election are US citizens," so my statement was functionally true but not absolutely accurate, making me an incorrigible liar. (Sarcasm.)

 

[Amajorfucup]

I dismissed your "first hand accounts" as anecdotal but you're upset because you clearly don't know what anecdotal means. Okay. So the closest thing you have to proof is that people have said it happens. But nothing from all the canvasses that have ever been done of the voter record. Gotcha.

Im not remotely upset. Dont take much energy to call a fool a fool. And there you go again thinking you're anyones intellectual superior. The issue aint about understanding the meaning of anecdotal .. Its about the hypocrisy and intellectual dishonesty of asking for examples and then dismissing them as insufficient. Thats lame as fuck.

 

[Amajorfucup]

More than 99% of people who vote are US citizens, despite what jackasses on talk radio and other nitwits claim.

So going by YOUR numbers... 99% would leave about 1% of the vote to illegals yes? 200 million eligible voters in US.. about half of that actually register to vote. 1 percent of that is about 1 million people (fyi thats more people than they are in about 10 states). So even by YOUR estimate, theres about 1 million questionable voters on the rolls? And you dont think thats significant in aggregate? (to be clear, i dont believe the number/percentage is that high, but to discount it as insignificant or nonexistent is utter horseshit). Again, these are YOUR numbers.

 

[Art Vandelay]

Im not remotely upset. Dont take much energy to call a fool a fool. And there you go again thinking you're anyones intellectual superior. The issue aint about understanding the meaning of anecdotal .. Its about the hypocrisy and intellectual dishonesty of asking for examples and then dismissing them as insufficient. Thats lame as fuck.

I challenged you to back up your claim. I criticized your claims as substanceless. What I called for was substance supporting your point, not just any "example." Sorry, man, but your back up was insufficient. Anecdotal evidence can't stand against multiple studies from credible sources. It is just hypotheticals and testimony from racists, not anything objective at all. Even proving that some "illegals" voted does absolutely nothing to back up the claim that "A LOT of Dreamers voted for Trump."

Back up your claim that a lot of Dreamers, who by definition cannot vote, voted for Trump. Dumbass.

This is the shit im talking about. You routinely simply dont know wtf you're talking about. And use alot of surface level bullshit information to ignorantly knee jerk respond shit you know little about. Are you too fucking stupid to realize that immigrants both legal and illegal - so called dreamers and their parents included- vote in this country? Man go away.

You're full of shit and you know it.

Illegal voting is negligible and the percentage of Dreamers voting is a negligible fraction of that. And you have no idea how that sub-group voted. So your claim of "a lot of these Dreamers voted Drumpf" is complete horseshit and your substanceless responses can't cover that up.

Foh you less than a man piece of shit. You continue to be a misinformed useless weasel that refuses to be edified or corrected. You made absolute statements that were absolute shit. You said dreamers "were NEVER" with Trump. Thats fucking absurd and patently false. You stated that i was conflating "hispanics" (whoever that is) despite the fact that i never even mentioned "hispanics". Another lie. Then you implied illegal voting doesnt take place only to walk it back and now call it "negligible". You're a got dam imbecile. Go away.

The only bullshit is the misinformed trash you wrote about dreamers "cant" vote. Patently wrong. There was no cleaning up involved. I simply paid a courtesy of explaining to someone who asked and another (yourself) who clearly didnt know wtf he was talking about.

Both of you guys should stick to being part time trolls. You're much better at that than trying to actually talk about real life shit.

"a lot of these Dreamers voted Drumpf"

He's taking that and trying to make this about how I implied illegal voting doesn't take place "only to walk it back and now call it 'negligible.'"

You do these hysterics every time you're guilty of a major fuck up.

The fact is you came into this thread with some Trumpian alternative facts that you can't back up. And this conversation can't move forward if you're not mature enough to admit you were wrong. Not "a lot" of Dreamers voted and it damn sure is not the case that a lot of them voted for Trump. That is the central issue here and these deflections are embarrassing.

There are no hysterics and there was no guilt on my part asshole. I stand by every word and have reiterated so several times. The only stance change and adjustment has been made by YOU. Again, you frequently spout off half cocked bullshit on issues you have very shallow knowledge on and end up looking like a complete dumbass in the process before crawling away like the roach you are. This is no different. There was nothing alternative about my facts. I said what i said and hold to it. You on the other hand responded in the negative then moonwalked into some qualifying bullshit. You're clueless.

Everything you've said thus far has been utter bullshit. You've stated illegal voting doesnt happen and Dreamers were NEVER with Trump. Both as counters to my original post you attempted to discredit. And you were wrong on both. Instead of admitting you were wrong you double on dumb (as usual). That alone should render anything else you say in here as ignore worthy trash.

And shitstain, heres a few of those Dreamers who were "NEVER with Trump"...
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-minister-deported-20170630-story.html
An Oceanside minister supported Trump. Now, he's getting deported

Ramirez came to the U.S. with his family when he was 11 and was raised in San Diego County.

He said he supports the Republican agenda on both fiscal and social issues and that he still supports Trump.

“Everything that he’s said against immigrants — it’s not that I’m in favor, but bad people don’t belong here,” Ramirez said. “In order to make America great, you have to have people contributing to this country.”

Ramirez said he also encouraged his youngest daughter to volunteer with the campaign of Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Vista).

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/07/us/undocumented-indiana-man-deported-trump.html?mcubz=0
Roberto Beristain, a 43-year-old undocumented immigrant, had lived in the United States for nearly 20 years. He and his wife of 17 years, Helen, an American, were raising their four children in St. Joseph County, Ind., and he owned a beloved local institution, Eddie’s Steak Shed.

Late Tuesday night, Mr. Beristain, whose wife voted for President Trump, was deported and dropped off in Juárez, Mexico, by Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials.

25% of these people vote conservative across the board, regardless of status. And 25-29% went for Drumpf.. Many play respectability politics and think because they identify as socially/fiscally conservative they will be saved by or are safe from rightwing policy and practice.. To hell with them. They get whatever is coming their way.

Now again, go away roach.

 

[Art Vandelay]

So going by YOUR numbers... 99% would leave about 1% of the vote to illegals yes? 200 million eligible voters in US.. about half of that actually register to vote. 1 percent of that is about 1 million people (fyi thats more people than they are in about 10 states). So even by YOUR estimate, theres about 1 million questionable voters on the rolls? And you dont think thats significant in aggregate? (to be clear, i dont believe the number/percentage is that high, but to discount it as insignificant or nonexistent is utter horseshit). Again, these are YOUR numbers.

More than 99 doesn't mean exactly 99, smart guy. i.e. 99.99999999999999999999% > 99%.

Nice try in the absence of any actual evidence, though.

 

[Amajorfucup]

I challenged you to back up your claim. I criticized your claims as substanceless. What I called for was substance supporting your point, not just any "example." Sorry, man, but your back up was insufficient. Anecdotal evidence can't stand against multiple studies from credible sources. It is just hypotheticals and testimony from racists, not anything objective at all. Even proving that some "illegals" voted does absolutely nothing to back up the claim that "A LOT of Dreamers voted for Trump."

No doubt. Keep reading.. you'll see it eventually. Read thru every post carefully.. then read again. Pay attention to the parts you discount as "insufficient" too. Take care.

 

[Amajorfucup]

More than 99 doesn't mean exactly 99, smart guy. i.e. 99.99999999999999999999% > 99%.

Nice try in the absence of any actual evidence, though.

 

[Nzinga]

I challenged you to back up your claim. I criticized your claims as substanceless. What I called for was substance supporting your point, not just any "example." Sorry, man, but your back up was insufficient. Anecdotal evidence can't stand against multiple studies from credible sources. It is just hypotheticals and testimony from racists, not anything objective at all. Even proving that some "illegals" voted does absolutely nothing to back up the claim that "A LOT of Dreamers voted for Trump."

How can a dreamer vote?

 

[Rudey]

Oh.. And a lot of these Dreamers voted Drumpf ..so fuck em.

#MAGA

How can a dreamer vote?

 

[tical]

@Art Vandelay,

First time I've heard of this and it begs the question.

What's the logic at play here(We'll ignore that people vote against their own interest for the moment)?

If you're a Dreamer and you were paying attention then it's not hard to miss that throughout the campaign trail Trump talked about illegal immigrants this and that and what he was going to do to them and pretty much how he was going to try and reverse everything the Obama administration did.

How in the world do you (illegally, I assume) vote or encourage those that can legally vote to do so for Trump? What do you get out of a Trump in the WH situation?

 

[BKF]

Cant get jiggy with this short sighted shit. Hate when black folks sound like CACs bruh. "Dey took yer jerbs!"

Why does he sound like a cac?

 

[easy_b]

WOW trump got a bigger back lash then i thought.

 

[Gemini]

DACA, explained
​

 

[Art Vandelay]

How can a dreamer vote?

How can a dreamer vote?

@Art Vandelay,

First time I've heard of this and it begs the question.

What's the logic at play here(We'll ignore that people vote against their own interest for the moment)?

If you're a Dreamer and you were paying attention then it's not hard to miss that throughout the campaign trail Trump talked about illegal immigrants this and that and what he was going to do to them and pretty much how he was going to try and reverse everything the Obama administration did.

How in the world do you (illegally, I assume) vote or encourage those that can legally vote to do so for Trump? What do you get out of a Trump in the WH situation?

It's an idiotic premise. I wasted time last night arguing with a guy harping on about me being a liar for saying Dreamers never supported Trump because he could point to a couple who did. It's like saying it is a lie that black people never supported Trump because there was a black guy holding up a sign at a rally.

The overwhelming majority of Dreamers were hardcore against Trump.

The dude I argued with also consistently conflated Dreamers with all "illegals." There are only 800,000 Dreamers, as opposed to millions of undocumented people, and you are correct that they had specific reason to be even more anti-Trump than the general undocumented or Latino populations.

Maybe 5% of Dreamers supported Trump for the same unexplainable reasons that about 5-10% of black people did. It's hard to pin down support since I've never seen polling of this group of non-voters whose political leanings are so self-evident.

 

[tical]

It's an idiotic premise. I wasted time last night arguing with a guy harping on about me being a liar for saying Dreamers never supported Trump because he could point to a couple who did. It's like saying it is a lie that black people never supported Trump because there was a black guy holding up a sign at a rally.

The overwhelming majority of Dreamers were hardcore against Trump.

The dude I argued with also consistently conflated Dreamers with all "illegals." There are only 800,000 Dreamers, as opposed to millions of undocumented people, and you are correct that they had specific reason to be even more anti-Trump than the general undocumented or Latino populations.

Maybe 5% of Dreamers supported Trump for the same unexplainable reasons that about 5-10% of black people did. It's hard to pin down support since I've never seen polling of this group of non-voters whose political leanings are so self-evident.

Solid response and thank you!

 

[Mr. Met]

This dude's offspring...... SMFH.

 

[dlow]

A lot of foolishness in this thread and I will address some of them:
Dreamers don't vote, not that many got approved the program has only existed from 2012 until now. Dreamers are the children of illegals and they are only covered by so many years.
Latinos did vote for Trump but Latino does not equate to Mexican. A lot of Cubans angry at Obama Cuban policy voted for trump and don't really equate themselves to Mexicans. A lot of legal Mexicans voted for trump in border towns because illegals are lowering the price of goods and services to the legal ones.
Any equation of Dreamers supporting trump are as ridiculous as a North Korean supporting trump. People who have no say in government simply don't matter to politicians. Politicians simply want to win points from the people that got them elected.
Dreamers are illegals, a simple executive order giving them status is tied up in multiple courts and not supported by congressional passed immigration law. There status will revert back to what they were in 2011. Illegal immigrants.

 

[Dr. Truth]

This dude's offspring...... SMFH.

Fuck this pitiful Coon and his sister.

 

[Soul On Ice]

Please don't be surprised if trump does 8 years. There are many hardcore racist in this country. Many more than we want to admit to. They want this shit. Gotta give trump credit tho, he stands up for his racists base. You don't hear his base saying hoe shit like he is the president of all America.

Realist thing I've read today